Fascist theory is shit?

[Anonymous No.16597388]

I've read through leftist theory with relative ease.
The Manifesto, The Conquest and Mutual Aid, The Unique, State and Revolution...

Sometimes I had to re-read a paragraph, sometimes I disagreed - but it always seemed like y'know... not pulled from someone's arsehole.

But when I tried to read into pic related all I saw was philosophical rambling with dubious bases and conclusions.

Is my skull too thick to get it?
Or is fascist theory just shit?

[Anonymous No.16597397]

I also feel this, is there a book than can stop me being a hylic?

[Anonymous No.16597405]

Just don't read mystic LARPing retards and read someone like Giovanni Gentile instead.

[Anonymous No.16597412]

Evola was against philosophy in fascism, and wrote making it a philosophy would ruin it.
Don't read Evola for his fascism.

[Anonymous No.16597420]

Evola was 2deep
Read Maistre, Carlyle, Nietzsche, Junger, von Salomon, Schmitt.

[Anonymous No.16597504]

>>16597388
Feder is the only truly important fascist thinker, or rather in his case natsoc, because he consciously synthesizes some of the greatest political philosophers in history to basically create natsoc. If you really want a God-tier understanding of what exactly natsoc is and the most intelligent way to critique its aim and matter, you need to read Plato's Republic, Plato's Laws, Aristotle's Politics, and have a firm understanding of Hegel and Marx. I believe that in many hundreds of years, Feder will be remembered as one of the most important political-economic theorists of the 20th century. IMO it is absolutely impossible to actually understand natsoc without reading Feder. He basically created the party's platform. If you think you are natsoc beause you read Mein Kampf and liked it, like a lot of so-called natsocs, you are a braindead retard and a larper.

[Anonymous No.16597516]

>>16597420
>Junger
>Schmitt
>fascists

[Anonymous No.16597517]

>>16597388
Evola was not a fascist. Read Fascism Viewed From the Right if you'd like to know why.
Also, try this: >>16597405

[Anonymous No.16597522]

>>16597516
>De Maistre
>Carlyle
>Nietzsche
>von Salomon
>Fascists
No one on that list is a fascist. It also happens to be precisely the list of authors that Curtis Yarvin recommends in his work, with the exception of Gaetano Mosca and James Burnham.

[Anonymous No.16597530]

>>16597522
>Curtis Yarvin
Lmao
Kys

[Anonymous No.16597718]

>>16597388
Evola projected a lot and shoehorned his ideas that were incompatible with metaphysics. Go read Guenon

[Anonymous No.16597733]

>>16597388
>Read through leftist theory with relative ease
>Couldn't penetrate Evola
I wonder if this is relevant to leftism's popularity among pseuds.

[Anonymous No.16597778]

>>16597388
All humanist theory is shit

[Anonymous No.16597971]

>>16597516
>>16597522
>NSDAP members
>not fascists
You are being pedantic. Fascism is elitist militarist nationalism, not only an Italian political party. Yarvin recommends fascist authors because he too is a fascist.

[Anonymous No.16598351]

evola was not facist,if you don't understand evola, you must be brainlet

[Anonymous No.16598387]

but the praxis is so good

[Anonymous No.16598605]

>>16597388

Communist Manifesto isn't even theory it's just a pamphlet. Kapital is Marxist theory.

"Fascist Theory" is mostly obscured which is why the "Right Wing" continues to obsess over mystics and reactionaries like Evola, Guenon, de Maistre, when Fascism was supposed to be Wagnerian revolt of the Volk against the Int'l Money Power. The writings embodying this "Fascist" consciousness are e.g. Houston Chamberlain, Heinrich von Treitschke, Eduoard Drummont, Werner Sombart, etc.

Ever wonder why those writers are always kept obscured but the ones most amenable to the coming ziofascism are brought to the forefront? Worth asking...

[Anonymous No.16599018]

>>16597388
Yeah you're just a retard I guess. Evola also writes very intellectually at a level for people with 135 IQ when the core of his ideas are accessible to open minded people at as low as 115. Very long winded, very massive vocabulary, but its necessary to make his work truly complete.

[Anonymous No.16599035]

>>16597971
How is facism elitist?

[Anonymous No.16599039]

>>16597388
there is no fascist theory, capitalism is like cornflour mixed with water, fascism is what happens when you slap it

[Anonymous No.16599048]

>>16598605
You seem to know stuff. Why are you keeping silent?

[Anonymous No.16599060]

>>16597388
Evola wasn't a Fascist, the fact that you think he was proves you never read him. He describes himself as a "suprafascista" which is often times mistranslated by brainlets to "super fascist" but it's accurately translated as "over fascist"/"beyond fascist". He thought Fascism was soulless and lacked the necessary spiritual element to make real change.

[Anonymous No.16599077]

>>16597388
Hm. I've had the exact opposite experience.

[Anonymous No.16599097]

>>16597778
>Marxism, fascism, and liberalism all three stem from the humanist tradition, past scholasticism, and are equally and axiomatically flawed.
Based
>Man is an empty word and is not a unit of measure on which to base your political agenda. God is dead but Man was never born.
Cringe, the worst possible conclusion one could come to.

[Anonymous No.16599133]

>>16599048
I'm trying hard to be constructive. You might see the fruits soonish

[Anonymous No.16599143]

>>16599060
This. Him and his UR Group tried to use it as a vehicle towards a more Traditional society, but it didn't work out.

[Anonymous No.16599181]

>>16597971
>elitist militarist nationalism
There is nothing "elitist" about nationalism, my friend. There is nothing "elitist" about fascism, either, considering its emphasis on the unity of the state and the people. Ernst von Salomon joined the NSDAP because it was a good career move, just like Junger and Schmitt. None of them evinced support for fascist theories, and in fact expressed opinions that contradict them throughout their lives. Von Salomon in particular was more reactionary than the fascists - he was disgusted by Hitler's mass politics, and really wanted no part of it.
>Yarvin recommends fascist authors because he too is a fascist.
I don't know what to tell you. There's nothing fascist about Yarvin. He is the opposite of a fascist. He rejects all forms of nationalism and popular sovereignty, and you can't have fascism without both.

[Anonymous No.16599211]

>>16597388
finally a sane OP

it´s just a meme to give rightwingers the idea that there is a side of right wing intellectualism with equal value to the other "side".

It´s only about the authority of saying a name of a fascist philosopher itself nothing more...
and the authority is the shield itself against attacks.

[Anonymous No.16599219]

>>16597971

Yarvin is an authoritarian neoliberal. Fascism is the voice of the volk

[Anonymous No.16599258]

>>16599211

[Anonymous No.16599328]

>>16599060
>>16599143
You cannot keep Capitalism and have a traditionalist society.

[Anonymous No.16599339]

>>16597388
Evola seems pretty educated and not your average populist anti-intellectual but his writings are plagued by the traditionalist virus he got from Guenon.
Carl Schmitt may be one of the few fascist writers who actually made contributions to political philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16599356]

Evola was not a fascist.

>>16597971
Fascist is not "an elitist militarist nationalism". Moldbug is not a fascist.

[Anonymous No.16599364]

>>16597388
You should read Ba'athist literature, anon.

[Anonymous No.16599372]

>>16599364
that book is really shitty though (except for the part about sport)

[Anonymous No.16599393]

>>16597504
This this this. Also this.

[Anonymous No.16599396]

>>16599328
You can keep parts of the market but it can never be Free.

Evola's Traditionalism maintains that most "freedoms" are used in a way that lowers the human condition into a more finite and rapidly decaying mode of existence. This is true, a society where there's no punishment for adultery has very licentious people that distort and damage higher human relationships. A society which punishes adultery has it firstly occur much less and secondly punishes the bad behaviour or those prone to it so they may not be allowed to freely infect or effect society with more bad behaviour.

In a Traditional world, the same would be true of the "free market" and it's peddlers of smut, junk food, vices, degeneracy and most ills and dis-services which damage society.

[Anonymous No.16599397]

>>16599328
Yes, and that is a good critique of Fascism, however it doesn't at all relate to either of the posts you replied to as Evola wasn't a Fascist and certainly wasn't a Capitalist.

[Anonymous No.16599401]

>>16599364
>Encourages anon to read Ba'athist literature
>Posts al-Qadhafi
Dude, Ba'athist literature is Michel Aflaq and Salih Bitar, not al-Qadhafi.

[Anonymous No.16599404]

>>16599364
What other Ba'ath lit is there?

[Anonymous No.16599435]

>>16599060
>suprafascista
Liga, liga, suprafascista

[Anonymous No.16599516]

Leftist theory, as all political theory after the invention of the printing press, is pretty damn straightforward because they already assume some kind of ontological and ethical basis and then build over there so all the hard-thinking is already done. Id you read a "mystic" then you are gonna get mystical stuff.

Don't read political theory, read metaphysics and ontology so you get a general idea of what axioms the guy you are talking to believes in, everything's built on them.

[Anonymous No.16599685]

>>16599396
Strange that you talk about adultery as a freedom that must be punished, but not about the concept of human rights liberty, which consists to do everything that doesn't harm somebody aka codification of egoism. Also, you don't mention human rights version of private property, which are sacred, even if in tradition, it wasn't. See the open field system.
Fascist version of tradition is an already cucked version of tradition. A vision of tradition that was already Capitalized, in the 16th century.
>>16599396
>>16599396
>You can keep parts of the market but it can never be Free.
It is the market that led us to the world we know today. Exactly this. The market. Not the jews, the state, the republic, liberalism, the SJW or whatever. It was the market. But i guess it will take you trads an other decade to realize that. By the way you cannot control the market. The market control you. But again, you don't realize it.

[Anonymous No.16599782]

>>16599516
You're almost there.
Read Quentin Skinner and Charles Taylor.

[Anonymous No.16599799]

>>16597778
And all Alienist theory is shit as well.
Fuck off back to your planet xeno scum bastard.

[Anonymous No.16599802]

>>16599685
myopia. Don't attribute everything to one cause, it's lazy thinking

[Anonymous No.16599827]

>>16597388
You have a materialist mindset. If you can recognize that, and actively compensate for it when reading mystics you'll be able to work out what they mean even if you don't find it profound. The reverse holds true for schizos trying to read political theory, but arguably they have a more difficult time.

[Anonymous No.16599849]

>>16599802
Exchange value is the substratum from which emanates the garbage.
And yes, today, almost every politic, from feminism to mass immigration, to false flags and mass indebteness, is dicatated by the market. The market is the very reason people wake up every morning. It is why we eat shit, why bigpharma poison us. Why people are atomized urbanized zombies (no big cities without the market).

[Anonymous No.16599850]

Evola isn't a Fascist, never was, and is a Mystic lol. You literally thought you can read Evola like Marx lmaooo

I don't know if you just got filtered now lol.

[Anonymous No.16599872]

Fascist theory is what the adversary whispers into the protagonists ear to try and conform him to the prison planet system and thwart true liberation

[Anonymous No.16599915]

>>16599872
>Fascist theory is what the adversary whispers into the protagonists ear to try and conform him to the prison planet system and thwart true liberation
And so is Marxism i guess? Because i cannot imagine how getting rid of Capitalism is thwarting true liberation.

[Anonymous No.16600165]

>>16599849

Granting everything that Marx the Economist says, there's more than one plane of action/causality on this bitch of an earth

[Anonymous No.16600195]

>>16597778
So what do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.16600317]

>>16600165
Didn't it all began with exchange value? Gobekli tepe, human sacrifice in exchange of good weather, and permission to farm the land.
Everything was better before.

[Anonymous No.16600363]

>>16600317

Damn kinda but then that breaks the frame of material causality

[Anonymous No.16600371]

>>16599799
Based and checked

[Anonymous No.16600385]

>>16597388
he wasn't a fascist.
what book did you start with?

[Anonymous No.16600394]

>picks up evola expecting basic bitch political theory
yeah nah look somewhere else for that shrimp brain shit
evolas works are supranatural

[Anonymous No.16600446]

>>16597971
Not all right wingers are facists. If you think Joseph De Maistre and Geovanni Gentile are only negligbly different in practice then you need to reread.
Also the idea that Yarvin is a facist is hilarious, he came out of the austrian ancaps and is basically synthesizing Hoppe with the Italian Elitists

[Anonymous No.16600457]

>>16600363
So we are trapped in this frame, and we shouldn't do anything about it? The vast majority shoot at the superstructure, when it's really the base that is most important. No, you cannot be good, cannot expect good, in an exchange value based system. Cannot expect harmony and wisdom. It taints everything.

[Anonymous No.16600532]

>>16600457


I don't accept that there is such a thing as the superstructure. That is a marxist pre-mature categorization. There are other purposes to what you call 'superstructure' than just the legitimation of the 'base'.

Good question to ask is: when you try to break out of this thing, who is the first to stop you? The marxist answer is to say "the 'who' doesn't matter, because the forces are material" but based on your prior answer it looks like you do't accept that entirely

[Anonymous No.16600546]

>>16599872

[Anonymous No.16600781]

bump so i can ask a question

[Anonymous No.16600786]

>>16597388
It's shit. Nobody can solve your issues but you, or in your case, nobody. But the mobile vulgus will still try because what else can they do.

[Anonymous No.16600792]

>>16597971
yarvin is a literally propaganda for midwits, he agrees to a couple talking points to gain cred and then starts to peddle the status quo

[Anonymous No.16600831]

>>16597388
Fascists don't really do theory as it were, contradiction and romanticism are their bread and butter.

[Anonymous No.16600857]

>>16600446
Fascism is often used as the left wing "Marxism." That is a meaningless buzzword meaning little other than "ideological authoritariamism I disagree with." If I hear another twitch leftist unironically claim the Republican party are legitimate fascists, or that there even are facists in modern politics in the west, I'm gonna lose it.

[Anonymous No.16601055]

What no pussy does to a mf

Sad. CHud.

[Anonymous No.16601103]

>>16601055
t. Stalin who fapped so hard his hand melted

[Anonymous No.16601153]

>>16597504
>Hegel
Sorry to ask, but are you joking? I've heard Hegel's philosophy is incomprehensible and flat-out wrong, and other philosophers hated him.
Is recommending Hegel a meme like "install gentoo"?

[Anonymous No.16601190]

>>16601153
What brainlets have you been listening to? Like him or not, Hegel is one of the most impactful thinkers in modern history.

[Anonymous No.16601197]

>>16597504
the nazis basically abadoned feder's economic theories, fascism is largely under concerned with economics you dont know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.16601214]

>>16601190
Ok, thanks for answering. I'm a philosophy newb.

[Anonymous No.16601238]

>>16601197

The Nazis abandoned Feder but they implemented, at least partially, his theories via Schact's MeFo bill program (covert issuance of sovereign currency -> full employment program).

Their abandonment of Feder was indicative less of Feder's ability and more of the Nazis trying to reassure the Junker Industrialists that they meant no harm.

[Anonymous No.16601263]

>>16597504
holy based

[Anonymous No.16601307]

>>16597388
It's more poetry than theory.

[Anonymous No.16601956]

>>16599039
>>16599211
>>16599872
>>16600831
Attention marxtards: saying "facism is capitalism in decay" over and over does not make it true.

[Anonymous No.16602074]

>>16597971
>fascism is when the government does stuff i dont like

[Anonymous No.16602126]

>>16602074
No, that's socialism

[Anonymous No.16602609]

>>16600532
In fact it's not impossible that it's the collective unconsciousness that decide to break out of the "having" society. But since "the people" are so far away from letting the having go, a materialistic analysis is really not so bad. "Jesus come back". People have been thinking about his for two thousand years, and nothing changed really. As Marx says, Christianism is too etheric, too cloudy to succeeded in achieving human emancipation. Two thousand year it has been said to share with your neighbor. Nothing happened really. So making them realize that it's the base that is most important might really change things for the better. The Israeli Kibbutz attempt, which was exactly this, was mostly encouraging. Same for Linux or open source software. If we can convince people to drop their shiny shit, we might achieve a communal mode of production without exchange value. From then, many, many things will get better.

[Anonymous No.16602616]

threads about fascist lit always go like "waaah this writer isnt fascist" "waaaah this one is the TRUE fascist" ad nauseam

[Anonymous No.16602630]

>>16599097
Why do you think that humanism is flawed?

[Anonymous No.16602649]

>>16601238
>Their abandonment of Feder was indicative less of Feder's ability and more of the Nazis trying to reassure the Junker Industrialists that they meant no harm.
Thus the base determines the superstructure, at least in Capitalism it verifies the vast majority of the time. Almost Every. Single. Time.

[Anonymous No.16602657]

>>16601956
Every politics since 150 years is Capitalism in decay. Short story: Capitalism died in 1929, was resurrected by WWII, and globalization, had issues again from the 1970s, and died again in 2008, this time probably for good.

[Anonymous No.16602685]

>>16597388
>Or is fascist theory just shit?

It's just pure idealism. Fascists literally believe ideas come first and matter comes second. Go read a page of Stalin and you see the gulf in quality.

[Anonymous No.16602729]

>>16599401
>>16599364
Gadaffi was a national socialist

[Anonymous No.16602771]

>>16597388
>filtered by fucking evola

[Anonymous No.16602876]

>>16597778
Based

[Anonymous No.16602979]

>>16597778
This, but the last sentence of the pic is pure cringe

[Anonymous No.16603148]

>>16602685
As a Marxist who read Marx, i don't like Stalin. But he seems based in this pic related quote.

[Anonymous No.16603158]

The difference between soviet era 'communism' and what most consider 'fascism' is nearly no existent

[Anonymous No.16603193]

>>16603158
The State Capitalism was more integrated, more prevalent, in state communist USSR than in State communist Italy or Spain. They are the same, but there is a difference in the level of integration.
Other than than, if you check the relationships of production, yes, it is basically the same. Wage labor, State owned means of production, a market, money, which is the transmission belt between the means of production and the working class, the wage workers.

[Anonymous No.16603215]

>>16597517
Like the last thread on Evola, I'm pretty sure these are made by people who don't read much less read Evola. I've never seen a thread on him recently that wasn't a (poor) attempt at discrediting him like pretending he wrote fascist theory lmao. A bunch of the replies here read like these prewritten replies.

[Anonymous No.16603224]

>>16600857
It's been used in this way even while ww2 was still ongoing. The 60s cemented it absolutely.

[Anonymous No.16603243]

>>16599060
it can be translated as suprafascist. super has colloquially become a meaningless intensifier (identical to the dozens of others) rather than superordinate. supra clears it up. We should bring back over and under as productive affixes though.

[Anonymous No.16603254]

>>16599685
>Fascist version of tradition is an already cucked version of tradition.
Good thing fascism doesn't give a shit about traditionalism and is literally a revolutionary ideology with a logic entirely unique to the 20-21st century. Good thing the Traditionalism of Evola isn't fascism.

[Anonymous No.16603297]

>>16602616
no they don't. pointing out someone who is clearly didn't write about fascism and point out those who did, is not unproductive whining.

[Anonymous No.16603513]

>>16597388
>The Unique One
>leftist
??

[Anonymous No.16603613]

>>16602649
>>16602609

Assuming you're the same person here:
The Base/Superstructure thing is an obscurification. It's powerless to explain why e.g. pop culture is pretty much a vehicle for diffusing occult talismans through the public consciousness. What's the Marxist explanation for spreading porno propaganda? It makes people want to buy porn? We would be lucky to have the tyranny of exchange-value as the only issue that needed confronting. There is also international warfare (i.e. war between nations) and spiritual warfare. Marxists would have more success if they weren't so insistent on shoe-horning everything into one causal force.

Hitler's alignment away from Feder and toward Industrialists is not a validation of the Base/Superstructure binary but one of many incidents revealing that a) revolution without help from one of the factions at the top is impossible, whether it be from your own country or from someone else's and b) following from that, those without means of production, i.e. The People, are not a revolutionary subject.

[Anonymous No.16603681]

>>16603513
Yes, Stirner is a massive influence on anarchists movements all over the world.

[Anonymous No.16604379]

>>16600195
Tao

[Anonymous No.16604419]

>>16597420
>maistre
Not fascist
>carlyle
Not fascist
>Nietzsche
Not fascist
>Jünger
Not fascist
>von Salomon
Close, but not really
>Schmitt
Yep

Sorel and Gentile, OP.

[Anonymous No.16604439]

>>16599328
As if we needed more evidence you haven't actually read Evola. He was very anti-Capitalist and if you were even familiar with him you could probably guess that from how much he talks about Materialism and the reign of quantity.

>“Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the centre of which is constituted of technology, science, production, "productivity," and "consumption." And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence—then we are not even close to what is essential"
from Men Among Ruins

[Anonymous No.16604627]

>>16603613
>What's the Marxist explanation for spreading porno propaganda?
Yes? Ad revenue and porn production is a billion dollar business.
>pop culture is pretty much a vehicle for diffusing occult talismans through the public consciousness.
Even if the occult is something real, from what class are those music industry and hollywood industry magnate. Are they working class?
>here is also international warfare (i.e. war between nations) War between nations is a war done in order to conquer new markets, or control ressources, in order to... make profit.
>spiritual warfare.
Let's say there is a spiritual warfare. From which side is the serpent. Is he for the communal mode of production, or for the egoistical exchange value mode of production? Didn't Jesus said again and again that the rich have very little success to go to heaven, and that the poor who give all they have are way more generous than the rich who give more but just a fraction of what he owns? Capitalism is clearly a tool of the serpent. It's the most important machinery of the control system. Even the child they sacrifice are bought. Not given, or even stolen, but bought.
>Marxists would have more success if they weren't so insistent on shoe-horning everything into one causal force.
It's not necessarily everything. If tomorrow you go running, and you break your ankle, Capitalism has not much to do with this. Same for romantic relationship. Capitalism mostly affect negatively romantic relationship, but in the end, you still can manage them, and being out of the exchange value system wouldn't prevent hearts to be broken.
>a) revolution without help from one of the factions at the top is impossible, whether it be from your own country or from someone else's
Except the revolution don't happen when people have theorized it, or even when they understood what it is. But when the internal contradiction of the mode of production invalidate the mode of production.
>b) following from that, those without means of production, i.e. The People, are not a revolutionary subject.
When they cannot meet ends meet, they are. See Paris commune (1871), the february revolution (1917), the revolutionary Catalonia (1936-1937), Budapest commune (1956), France June 1968, Yellow jacket movment, indignitas, occupy wall street etc...
Usually, organization do not do the revolution, but just capitalize on popular discontent to steal the power. That's what happened in October 1917. However, it is possible that today, the people have matured, and won't accept any "new" reorganization of the political economy, after some popular discontent, done by a party, a leader, an organization. It is possible that the people won't find any "vanguard" legitimate.

[Anonymous No.16604672]

>>16604439
I intend to read Evola. Do you intend to read Marx?
Regarding your quote, it's a good thing to know that Evola was a spirit, who didn't need to eat, dress, never took the train or sat in a car. Never owned a watch, never drank cofee, or used electricity. Built himself his (i suppose) big house. Managed to built and maintain himself the pavament in front of his house, his streetlight, grow his own vegetables and meat, his own liquors, etc. etc...
He didn't need all of that. And if some poor workers did it for him, it was only natural, because he deserved it.

[Anonymous No.16604722]

>>16604672
I've read Marx, both Capital and the Communist Manifesto. While I think his diagnosis and description of the Capitalist mode of production is accurate, he's a poor writer and I'm not really interested in reading any more of his work. I may read Critique of the Gotha Programme as I know it's short and provides more details on Marx's views on Communism than the Manifesto does, but I've got a long backlog so I may not get to it.

[Anonymous No.16604744]

>>16604722
German ideology and Das Kapital volume 3 are very important. Das Kapital volume 3 is the key to understand why Capitalism died in 2008 (tendency of the rate of profit to fall).

[Anonymous No.16604793]

>>16597516
Junger wasn't fascist but he had a big influence on the Nazis even though Junger himself hated National Socialism

[Anonymous No.16604846]

Since when is Evola a fascist?

[Anonymous No.16604981]

>>16604627
> Capitalism is clearly a tool of the serpent.
I'm fine with this.
>War between nations is a war done in order to conquer new markets, or control resources, in order to... make profit.
War has long existed before Capitalism and was often done with the express purpose of destroying value rather than capitalizing it (mesoamerica).
>That's what happened in October 1917. However, it is possible that today, the people have matured, and won't accept any "new" reorganization of the political economy, after some popular discontent, done by a party, a leader, an organization. It is possible that the people won't find any "vanguard" legitimate.
I'm just not convinced. The People are an essentially feminine entity: full of energy and potentiality but blind and directionless, destined to be purposed and repurposed by vanguards and elite factions.

[Anonymous No.16604991]

>>16604744
Luxemburg's Accumulation of Capital should be a companion / Vol. V to Kapital.

[Anonymous No.16605034]

>Retards of any stripe once they leave theoryfag zone just ends up with some kind of authoritarianism

Is it the ultimate conclusion of praxis?

[Anonymous No.16605058]

>>16605034

State Capitalism is indefinitely viable

[Anonymous No.16605133]

>>16604991
Yes i have so much things to read it will take me 15 years to read them all.

[Anonymous No.16605166]

>>16602685
Hey mate, I would be grateful if you could tell me how cause and effect exists and isn't just some empirical conjunction that you cannot even prove to be repeteable.

Also, if you could prove to me why it wouldn't be good to pinch all 5 years old kids' eyes with a needle without telling me that it is bad/goes against their liberty/it pains them/etc (as our ethics are just part of the superstructure and thus are not universal as they'll change in 300k years influenced by our productive basis) I would truly appreciate it

I mean, matterialist thought isn't relativist at all and doesn't rely on "cuz' I see it" circular reasoning so you could easily answer these questions without relying on some kind of idealist reason-like capacity that a priori structures our perception.

[Anonymous No.16605167]

>>16604981
>>War between nations is a war done in order to conquer new markets, or control resources, in order to... make profit.
>War has long existed before Capitalism and was often done with the express purpose of destroying value rather than capitalizing it (mesoamerica).
War in primitive tribe was to avoid exchange value. To avoid having a state. To be free, different. Modern nations exist after Capitalism. Nations are a tool for Capital accumulation.

[Anonymous No.16605170]

>>16597388
every political ideology is shit.

[Anonymous No.16605178]

>>16604981
>The People are an essentially feminine entity: full of energy and potentiality but blind and directionless, destined to be purposed and repurposed by vanguards and elite factions.
Yellow jackets recently refused any leadership. Any time the deep state tried to create a controlled leader, they heavily and accurately criticized him.

[Anonymous No.16605184]

>>16597388
Leftist theory is for brainlets and relative ease of reading does not imply truthfulness. If you tried reading a book on advanced physics then you'd struggle also, even if everything in it was true to our knowledge.

[Anonymous No.16605215]

>>16605166
>to pinch all 5 years old kids' eyes with a needle without telling me that it is bad/goes against their liberty/it pains them/etc
They already pinch their arms at birth. Profit. And this can be explain by the base/superstructure dynamic. Ethics change. Was gay marriage something even imaginable 100 years ago? Now, thanks to Capitalism, and it's necessity to create a diversion from class struggle, and move from class struggle to societal struggle artificially, gays can marry.

[Anonymous No.16605217]

>>16599181
Junger never joined the Nazi party, he refused peerages

[Anonymous No.16605224]

>>16597388
Another one lost to the tide of the Kali yuga... Now where did I put my opium pipe?

[Anonymous No.16605247]

>>16605167

If this is true then why did Anglo-American Elite finance and support Soviet Communism for over 50 years? Much more easily explained by 'War Planning' than by 'Profit Planning'. P much everyone except for the Hammers lost money exporting technology to the CCCP.

>>16605178
Admirable

[Anonymous No.16605290]

>>16599181
Junger never joined the NSDAP and in fact openly insulted and mocked them which made the Nazis seethe but Hitler wouldn't allow anyone to assassinate him because he admired Junger so much.

[Anonymous No.16605299]

>>16605215
But anon, I'm not talking about how it arises as I already explained that ethics are part of the superstructure that the dominant class uses to keep the lower one down. I'm asking, if I did the deed and made blind all 5 years old kids how could you in a prescriptive basis say if it was good or wrong being ethics (not morality) also part of the superstructure and thus relative to the production forces, I mean, in the future this practice could also arise and be viewed in a "good" way instead of "badly" as we do right now.

And I mean, if we go by the "higher stages of production will create also higher and more complex ethics ad perpetuum" then we must accept that the transition of greek semiacceptance of gays and sodomites into the christian faith's concept of mortal sin is dialectically natural and of more moral high standing.

[Anonymous No.16605428]

>>16605290
Junger had admirers in office who shielded him from SS fanatics, I don't think Hitler expressed that strong a sentiment towards him

[Anonymous No.16605449]

>>16605224
GARFIELD

[Anonymous No.16605521]

>>16605299
Deep down, we all know that this world is wrong. Even those who say it is wonderful, are just lying to themselves and to others. Necessity created this inverted world. That doesn't mean the inverted world won't invalidate itself.

[Anonymous No.16605716]

>>16605428
>Shielded from Nazis
>Shielded from commies

Junger was just way to based

[Anonymous No.16605923]

>>16605247
Bolshevism was State Capitalism. It totally restrained the working class, from the begining (Kronstaadt rebellion). America didn't help at all the Budapest commune (1956). The real enemy of the Anglos is continental europa. That's why they are putting a lot of efforts to control them thought the European union and NATO.
I don't know exactly why the anglos financed USSR. Could be because they didn't wanted an euro-russian alliance, which would undeniably lead to anglo demise. Strange that the Maastricht treaty was signed in 1992, one year after USSR collapse. So before USSR collapse, an euro-russian alliance was impossible, because european were not "communists". And after the collapse, the 1990s where very harsh economically for russia, and in any case, the maastricht treaty was signed, under american control, in order to garantee that no european-russian alliance would be possible. NATO also stayed in place, even after the cold war.

[Anonymous No.16606083]

>>16605923

As you say, Continental Europa is the enemy of the Anglos. Bolshevism's real ends, from the pov of British Israel are inarticulable in Marxist language: slaying a christian monarch, exiling a native aristocracy, militarizing a population and repurposing it as a Weapon-Golem oriented toward the rest of Christendom. Anglo-America and Red Russia, two Rationalist powers against the Organic Socialist, i.e. European core.

[Anonymous No.16606248]

>>16606083
>Marxist language: slaying a christian monarch, exiling a native aristocracy, militarizing a population and repurposing it as a Weapon-Golem oriented toward the rest of Christendom.
This have nothing to do with christendom. Which is jewified. Yes, christian are jew today. They practize exchange value, usury, private property of the means of production. They have nothing to do with early christians, and only call themselves christians. Without the jews, christian would maintain Capitalism, with it's mass usury and mass exploitation, the cult of money, the cult of the circulation of merchandize, just as well.
Regarding october 1917, there was poplar revolt, not led by any party or jews, since february 1917. Bolsheviks only capitalized on social chaos and destabilization to take power in october 1917. Russia was an arachaic country in 1917. It was almost transitional from feudalism, and still had a lot of feudalism remnants, when western europa was already capitalized since 200 years. Russia was very late regarding the development of it's productive forces. The industrialization that happened in the 1920 in Russia would have happened anyway. Whatever the regime. Wheter it be State Capitalism, fascism, a republic, whatever. It would have been roughly the same. Reminder that the working condition in factories in western europa in the 19th century were horrible. What happened in russia from 1920-1960 happened in europe in the 19th century.
Christ is long, long gone from the people hearts. The jews have little to do with it. A mode of production which is a machine destined to accumulate Capital, a wealth creating machine, done thought exploitation of a working class, is the culprit.