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Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:01:19 2011 No.1658677 [Reply] [Original]

Fuck I love George Orwell. Fuck hes so great fuck.

"As I write, highly civilized human beings are flying overhead, trying to kill me. They do not feel any enmity against me as an individual, nor I against them. They are ‘only doing their duty’, as the saying goes. Most of them, I have no doubt, are kind-hearted law-abiding men who would never dream of committing murder in private life."

fuck thats genius how could you ever expect to write as clearly, simply, but yet communicate the idea so well?

(Orwell thread)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:05:19 2011 No.1658683 Fun fact: Orwell was a leftist. Libertarian left ftw.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 20:07:19 2011 No.1658687 File: 44 KB, 325x500, homage_to_catalonia.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] His best book, in my opinion, because it is the perfect balance between the intelligence of his essays and the beauty of his fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:08:19 2011 No.1658690 >>1658683 Fun fact: Orwell was a socialist

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:12:19 2011 No.1658698 >>1658690 >implying that isn't reduntant

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 20:13:19 2011 No.1658699 Orwell was always vague in expressing his political stance. He is best described as an anti-extremist with leftist sympathies because he saw fascism as more of a threat to freedom of speech.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:13:19 2011 No.1658700 >>1658698 >*redundant Excuse me.

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 20:17:19 2011 No.1658705 >>1658699 stop talking you dumb kid

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:19:19 2011 No.1658714 >>1658699 Well people do change their mind, right? He didn't even want people to know what class background he had. He described himself as 'upper-middle-low class' or something like that.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 20:26:19 2011 No.1658724 >>1658714 Yeah, he was even an anarchist when he was younger. I think it's his vehement anti-dogmatism which really continuously influenced his literature though. >>1658705 2deep4u?

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 20:27:19 2011 No.1658726 >>1658724 >best described as an anti-extremist with leftist sympathies because he saw fascism as more of a threat to freedom of speech unspeakably dumb sorry

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:29:19 2011 No.1658729 >>1658724 Oh you. I wish you had the strength to ignore the trolls, even when they're not trying.

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 20:30:19 2011 No.1658731
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>>1658726

>"If Fascism triumphs I am finished as a writer – that is to say, finished in my only effective capacity. That of itself would be a sufficient reason for joining a Socialist party."

-George Orwell in 1938 on why he joined the Labour Party.

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 20:32:19 2011 No.1658736 >>1658731 look the idea that is dumb is thinking terms like >anti-extremist >freedom of speech are explanatory in any sufficient way. that you do not realize this is what makes you dumb like an american.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:34:19 2011 No.1658739 >>1658736 >dumb like an American Then your arguments are discredited because you lose all credibility AND look retarded with statements like that.

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 20:36:19 2011 No.1658742 File: 14 KB, 235x242, awareness.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] who the fuck would borrow a term like freedom of speech and think it actually raises the level of discourse. what the fuck is this high school debates team.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:36:19 2011 No.1658744 Which book is that the OP posted?

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 20:37:19 2011 No.1658748 >>1658739 i am not arguing i am judging.

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 20:38:19 2011 No.1658751
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>>1658729

Humiliating onionring is close to effortless. Look how hard she she is straining to regain some modicum of intellectual integrity:

>>1658736
>>1658742

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 20:40:19 2011 No.1658752 File: 182 KB, 247x170, 2010-7-27_D31E1994-8941-4.jpg.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1658751

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 20:48:19 2011 No.1658765
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Does anyone else feel that Orwell's fiction is too politicised to NOT be dangerously didactic?

I really like his fiction, but i've always felt it's his non-fiction for which he should be really esteemed for.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:49:19 2011 No.1658769 >TC arguing with the the utlra-autistic onionring Let it go, man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:55:19 2011 No.1658777 >>1658765 Not having read more than 1984 in high-school, I shall put in my two cents; I think, actually, that even though he was explicitly couching political messages, 1984 can be read with a variety of messages in mind.

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:01:19 2011 No.1658785
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Reading Down and Out in London and Paris, about half way through right now.

Amazes me the things he went through to try and get a job (although I have not seen his diaries so I do not know how much of what he wrote was true) but it seemed people were just far more determined back then.

What do others think?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:01:19 2011 No.1658786 I have read 1984, animal farm and homage to catalonia. What should i read next?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:04:19 2011 No.1658790 >>1658752 look everyone, /lit/ got another e-thug

>>	♦ !Rrxa7zePwI Sat Mar 26 21:08:19 2011 No.1658800 >>1658769 >>1658790 LOL

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:12:19 2011 No.1658813

>>1658765
I think Orwell's fiction, like Orwell's politics, was too rooted in deep truths about human life and what makes it worth living to have didactics crush other value.

But he was still only a great novelist. No one could seriously put him up as the greatest English language novelist. I would put him up for greatest English language essayist, and would look funny at someone how put him out of the top five.

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:14:19 2011 No.1658817

>>1658813
>I think Orwell's fiction, like Orwell's politics, was too rooted in deep truths about human life and what makes it worth living to have didactics crush other value.

I should add that this does not generally apply to /Animal Farm/. It wasn't trying to be more than a didactic tactical intervention into the debate on the Left over the USSR.

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sat Mar 26 21:20:19 2011 No.1658828
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>>1658777

Sometimes I feel like the various interpretations of 1984 are more a result of political factions jostling for ownership of Orwell rather than genuine literary criticism.

Which is kind of a shame because, although it probably contributed to making 1984 Orwell's most famous book, I'm quite sure 1984 is meant to be an attempt to attack all forms of political totality.

>>1658786
read:
>>1658785

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 22:55:19 2011 No.1659071 File: 46 KB, 600x417, animal_farm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1658677 I like how this could be said of Wall Streeters and bankers right about now. I wonder if anybody truly GETS this man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 22:57:19 2011 No.1659079 >>1658683 >>1658690 >>1658699 >>1658724 He was a Democratic Socialist /discussion

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 23:04:19 2011 No.1659091 >>1658765 i really enjoy his essays, especially "politics and the english language." http://www.george-orwell.org/Politics_and_the_English_Language/0.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 23:05:19 2011 No.1659093 File: 30 KB, 190x287, Bernie Sanders.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1659079 DAMN STRAIGHT We need a Democratic Socialist in the White House!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 23:07:19 2011 No.1659099 >>1659091 if everyone reads this essay, /lit/ would improve greatly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 23:11:19 2011 No.1659112 >>1659093 Yeah, no. I think we need a total restructuring of the economy and political system before we get anyone who is keen on working within the capitalist system subverting it's tendencies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 23:15:19 2011 No.1659131 File: 87 KB, 1231x809, The 2nd Bill of Rights.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1659112 A Democratic Socialist that would do that than.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 23:20:19 2011 No.1659139 this site is fantastic! http://www.george-orwell.org/ thank you google!

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sun Mar 27 07:01:19 2011 No.1659754 >>1659079 I don't think he leaned far enough to the left to be labelled a socialist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 07:20:19 2011 No.1659773 Orwell is irrelevant since fascism is dead.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sun Mar 27 07:44:49 2011 No.1659781 File: 4 KB, 400x400, ok.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1659773 Totalitarian regimes are collapsing all across the middle east and the greatest critic of political authoritarianism isn't relevant?

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sun Mar 27 07:46:19 2011 No.1659782 File: 3 KB, 210x230, tys_dad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1659773 Totalitarian regimes are collapsing all across the middle east and north africa and the greatest critic of political authoritarianism isn't relevant?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 07:56:19 2011 No.1659788 >>1659782 totalitarian？ really?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 08:08:57 2011 No.1659794 >>1658677 >that's genius you trollin, nigga?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 08:09:19 2011 No.1659795 >>1658813 > was too rooted in deep truths about human life and what makes it worth living to have didactics crush other value. And for me that's precisely why I can't get into it, it borders on banality sometimes.

Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Sun Mar 27 08:13:19 2011 No.1659798
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>>1659788

Have you seen Tripoli recently?

Yes, I would describe any state with literally no tolerance for plurality and which imprisons, tortures and kills anyone who disagrees with the state's ideology or refuses to glorify it's leader as a totalitarian state.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 08:21:19 2011 No.1659806 George Orwell is a class A overrated faggot. Come at me bro.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 14:02:19 2011 No.1660252 File: 152 KB, 647x708, 1285428088423.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1659806 Gladly. Supply address, and I shall be over shortly, since I have some time off coming to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 27 17:27:19 2011 No.1660806 bump

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