Will getting into philosophy make me depressed?

[Anonymous No.16583346]

From what I've seen, all people into philosophy seem miserable and depressed. Even my dad, who majored in philosophy, struggles with depression. I'm very interested in it but it seems like a case of "ignorance is bliss". What's the point of getting into it if I'm gonna want to kill myself eventually? Are there any non-depressed philosophers/philosophy fans? Will philosophy even make my life better or just fuck it up even more?

[Anonymous No.16583354]

>>16583346
Yeah Democritus was known as the laughing philosopher. Leibniz was a pretty happy fellow

[Anonymous No.16583369]

>>16583346
>Will getting into philosophy make me depressed?
Yes, the confronting of truth must needs have that effect at some point. But in the end you will be the happier.

[Anonymous No.16583374]

>>16583346
not if you read spinoza (pbuh) and montaigne (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.16583394]

>>16583346
I'm into philosophy and I'm happy but also I'm not a brainlet which is the chief reason for my well-being

[Anonymous No.16583413]

>>16583346
Of course sitting in your room thinking about shit for too long will make you unhappy. You need to counterpoise contemplation with action, as Seneca (pbuh) said, quiescenti agendum et agenti quiescendum est - who is at rest must work and who is at work must rest. Ancient CHADS understood this but then philosophy, for whatever reason, became the domain of pasty effeminate neurotic limp wristed faggots like Nietzsche. Return to tradition and you will do well.

[Anonymous No.16583428]

Into philosophy? Yes.
Into Philosophy? No.

[Anonymous No.16583657]

>>16583346

IMO yes. I’ve always been naturally drawn to philosophical inquiry and I’ve definitely noticed in myself, and other philosophy students/enthusiasts, that depression comes with the territory. It’s hard to ponder questions about the most fundamental nature of our existence and purpose and not lose some sense of spiritual impetus. There is something psychologically comforting about being confident in those questions and, in my opinion, there is a huge curve of diminishing returns as far as thinking about these questions and happiness goes. The surety that comes with dogma like religion is a peace most philosophically oriented people don’t have. A healthy sash of skepticism is good — but I would go as far as to say that constant existential quandary brought about by philosophical questioning is not wise, even to the extent that it’s not worth it.

Of course I’ll be here, discussing philosophy and shitposting, not listening to my own advice.

[Anonymous No.16583674]

>>16583346
There's a good probability, try poetry instead

[Anonymous No.16583681]

>>16583346
>If truth is what you seek, then the examined life will only take you on a long ride to the limits of solitude and leave you by the side of the road with your truth and nothing else.
Yeah, I think if you want a happy life strive to make money in a way that you would enjoy. Then you can use your free time to peruse philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16583695]

not as depressed as becoming enlightened by accident in your early twenties haha

[Anonymous No.16583763]

>>16583346
Only if you lack the mental fortiude to make your own way out of the tunnel and exit into the light of the truth as it makes sense to you.

Remember, at the end of the day, what we call 'facts', the truth, gospel etc. is all with degrees of certainty in the material world but not the whole picture.
Alot of people get halfway through the tunnel, stop at where they like or fall into a depressed heap.

[Anonymous No.16583784]

NO. Fucking run away while you can. I have ruined any chance of interpersonal relationships because I just see everything as a fucking cope, and a mathematical equation.

[Anonymous No.16583809]

>>16583346
Not everyone is built for philosophy. Truth can ruin a man if he isn't prepared for it. Be careful, anon.

[Anonymous No.16583818]

>>16583784
>because I just see everything as a fucking cope, and a mathematical equation.
I already do that though. In a sense the thought of everything being a cope is oddly freeing, it makes me takes life less seriously.

[Anonymous No.16583830]

>>16583346
I highly suggest that before you get into philosophy you at least look up and understand Wittgenstein.

Watch this video, it's only 20 minutes
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgy3WCT0UU

[Anonymous No.16583846]

>>16583346
The unexamined life is not worth living.

[Anonymous No.16583908]

>>16583784
If I may give a suggestion, I would say that what you are doing is over-valuing reason. I mean sure, reason is logical, so it is aesthetically pleasing because it possesses regularity, but if this leads you to call everything else a cope, then you aren't trying to see how people's emotions are understandable.

What you're saying by your own admission is that you are conceited, since though you think of peoples emotions as a cope, you are a person and are therefore bound to have emotions.

You're not wrong, but you need an attitude adjustment or you won't find peace.

[Anonymous No.16583909]

>>16583908
Cope

[Anonymous No.16583915]

>>16583346
Philosophy is unavoidable. Even if you decided that philosophy was not good for you, that would itself be a philosophical judgement. A shitty and self-contradictory one denying at least the value of it's own realization.

You might as well do it properly and start with the greeks.

[Anonymous No.16583925]

>>16583908
Reminds me of this passage from Thomas Browne which I've found useful when thinking about the same thing.
>For there is in our soule a kind of Triumvirate, or Triple government of three competitors, which distract the peace of this our Common-wealth, not lesse than did that other the State of Rome
>As Reason is a rebell unto Faith, so passion unto Reason: As the propositions of Faith seeme absurd unto Reason, so the Theorems of Reason unto passion, and both unto Reason; yet a moderate and peaceable discretion may so state and order the matter, that they may bee all Kings, and yet make but one Monarchy, every one exercising his Soveraignty and Prerogative in a due time and place, according to the restraint and limit of circumstance. There is, as in Philosophy, so in Divinity, sturdy doubts, and boysterous objections, wherewith the unhappinesse of our knowledge too neerely acquainteth us.

[Anonymous No.16583955]

>>16583346
>For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
Ecclesiastes 1:18

[Anonymous No.16584035]

>>16583925
Your passage from Thomas Browne makes me wonder how we should consider Faith. It's funny that one may think that Faith is a composite unlike Passion and Reason, but I get a very clear and distinct picture, of Faith, which leads me to believe that it is really a faculty of the soul like the other two.

Thanks

[Anonymous No.16584145]

chances are it will make you into an insufferable arse or show you how futile the effort is
just read contemporary fiction and some poetry here and there

[Anonymous No.16584209]

>>16583346
Its a chicken and egg thing

[Anonymous No.16585442]

>>16583374
>>16583413
Why do some of you anons say pbuh? Isn't that a muslim thing? Not that I'd be judging you on that fact alone, but I seem to rarely ever see Islamic thought discussed, so it's a bit of a conundrum...

[Anonymous No.16585449]

It's more correlation than causation. Intelligent people are more likely to be unhappy.

[Anonymous No.16585461]

>>16585442
It started out as that yes, and it always will be, but it is almost always also said with some irony. It was just ironic when it started, saying "pbuh" next to Guenon, but it spread to becoming a meme pretty quickly. And like all memes, they can be used sincerely in different ways.

[Anonymous No.16585487]

>>16583374
...holy...based

[Anonymous No.16585492]

only if youre completely ignorant to what constitutes a good life

[Anonymous No.16585509]

>>16583674
the real chad move is balancing poetry and music with philosophy and practiced religion to satisfy all platonic transcendentals.

[Anonymous No.16585539]

>>16585461
I like it as a kind of meditative "ritual" and show of respect for those who've died, but I'm not Muslim, so it seems wrong to use it, since I don't fully understand the context and such. Not to mention the irony of it. Do you know of a similar secular or even Christian phrase with a similar purpose?

[Anonymous No.16585567]

>>16585442
RIP was originally a Christian thing, now it is used almost universally.

[Anonymous No.16585588]

>>16585539
"God rest him" is what older Catholics say when talking about the dead

[Anonymous No.16585600]

>>16583346
Only if you are a beta. Real niggas don't let some gay ass old white men tell them what or how to think. Real niggas do whatever real niggas want, that's why they got harems of white bitches. Don't be a beta like your dad.

[Anonymous No.16585607]

>>16585600
I want to read philosophy and be a good man

[Anonymous No.16585608]

It'll help you find enlightenment provided that you read the right works

[Anonymous No.16585775]

>>16583346
On the contrary, philosophy makes me feel better when I feel down.

[Anonymous No.16585897]

>>16583915
>you can't escape it, you're just doing it badly while I do it right
Is this really the strongest argument philosophers have? From those who's whole MO is producing arguments?
>>16585449
This isn't actually shown by the data.

[Anonymous No.16585915]

>>16583346
Ignorance, as they say, is bliss. Philosophy does not make you more knowledgable, per se, in the way that studying medicine will give you factual knowlege. It will instead make you realize how difficult it is to arrive at the real truth, rather than the merely assumed truth. It will raise your standards for what is considered credible and you will become more skeptical. This is not necessarily a depressing fate, though. It means nobody--or fewer bodies-- can pull the wool over your eyes and dupe you into accepting an unfounded belief.

[Anonymous No.16585945]

>>16583346
Listen to rap if you want a unfiltered dose of testosterone. Fuck bitches, get money

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Shit, my pockets on a runnin' man, fuck a rubberband
I'ma fuck her in a handstand, she a fan, man
Need the drugs? I'm the Xan man, I'm the damn man
I roll up, I'm gon' be booted, stupid, and shootin' stupid
Brought a knife, I brought a Ruger, stupid, I really do this
If I tote it then you know I'll shoot it and I'ma prove it
Back, back, don't be movin', stupid, or I'ma use it (Squad)
Dicky stiffy, uh, bet she give some licky, uh
Lil bitty, uh, bust all on her titties, uh
She a skeezer, uh, really don't need her, uh
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Rip that, take that, flip that, send that, uh
.223 hit, where your clothes at? Uh
Scum Gang 'bout that Fendi, fin-act, uh

[Anonymous No.16585971]

These days philosophy is more of a sacrifice than self help, since Nietzsche and others laid bare the abyss. The world needs more GENUINE philosophers though, so if you have a martyr complex and decent IQ then by all means join up.

[Anonymous No.16586834]

>>16585567
>>16585588
Interesting, I guess it's between the two of those then. I'll look some more into the history of each to see which is a better fit, thank you anons!

[Anonymous No.16587098]

>>16583830
Refreshing, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.16587218]

I've become happier after reading philosophy. It might be that rather than people becoming depressed when they read philosophy, people who are depressed are more likely to seek philosophy out. My interest in philosophy coincided with the loss of my religious beliefs, which of course leaves one without the normal framework through which they view things. Quite distressing. What is truth? What is the best pathway to truth? What is morality? How ought I behave in a given circumstance? What is a fulfilling life? Those all had to be reexamined. It took some time and has been a turbulent journey, but I'm glad philosophy has helped me come out the other end. The one thing I will say is that at some point, you're probably going to have to accept an ideology of some sort. Fence sitting is where I believe depression tends to happen.

[Anonymous No.16587420]

Everyone is depressed, it's just a matter of whether or not you recognize that you are.

[Anonymous No.16587737]

>>16585775
This. I used to feel paranoid when I got heavy into the Dude Weed, gangstalkers and solipsism, but truth be told reading about how so many people in antiquity grappled with the same types of thoughts and dilemmas has been reassuring. I suppose that's a cope, but for me it has been nothing but an uphill climb from a pit of uncontrollable doubt into... a mount of at the very least controlled doubt

[Anonymous No.16587787]

>>16583346
>An unhappy man is better off than a satiated pig
-some fucktard

[Anonymous No.16588065]

>>16583346
I'm depressed for the pass years until i pick a philosophy book (Soren kierkegaard) and got me really depressed, so you better be careful anon

[Anonymous No.16588111]

>>16584209
happy, satisfied people have no need for philosophy. they don't hunger for the truth because they are happy with their lot. rather than philosophy inducing depression, we should say that depression draws one to philosophy

[Anonymous No.16588128]

>>16583346
somewhat. the hobby of reading and analyzation can be fun--take your mind off yourself. sometimes you will find new ways to apply concepts, maybe some "truths".
but also the constant seeking , searching, questioning can be debilitating for some. done in a fashion for you is the most important. you can also read fiction which can contain philisophical ideas that you might not have a name for, but a sense of, that is immediate and attachable to reality.

[Anonymous No.16588141]

>>16583346
Philosophy doesn't make you depressed; depressed people are drawn to philosophy as a means of perpetuating their depression

[Anonymous No.16588162]

It can make you more depressed but the most depressed of people cannot be too philosophical because they don't have the willpower to make their minds work at a high intellectual level. If you are REALLY depressed then there's only eternal rumination without producing anything of value.

[Anonymous No.16588376]

>>16583346
I think it will make you a bit sadder, but I think in the end you will learn how to live life fully. so get to reading, because their is more life in any one person that can be lived.

[Anonymous No.16589314]

>>16583784
>seeing everything as a cope
that's not philosophy, that's you literally thinking in 4chan memes, and it's embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.16589318]

>>16585897
>one post by one guy on /lit/
IS THIS REALLY THE BEST THE ENTIRE FIELD OF PHILSOPHY CAN DO?!

[Anonymous No.16589545]

>>16588162
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.16589555]

>>16583830
This was great, wow. Thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.16590236]

>>16583413
>tfw the law of eternal plato-christcuck butthurt over Nietzsche is real

[Anonymous No.16590273]

>>16583374
Hyper based
>>16585442
It became more of a meme here because of guenonfag, and then spinozanon used it too directly after guenonfag so it’s associated with Based Baruch now and with most others too.

[Anonymous No.16590354]

>>16587420

That's something that only a depressed person would say, IMO.

I used to suffer from depression, and I used to think that. Now that I haven't suffered from depression in approx 15 years, I can tell you that it's not true.

Not everyone sees life as pointless and cynically, not everyone feels numb or chronically sad, not everyone lacks enthusiasm to be alive.

There are people who enjoy being alive. Who feel grateful, joy filled, and enthusiastic about life. However, we all have to deal with frustration and loss.

Depression =/= 'the truth that people deny'. Or something like that.

[Anonymous No.16590370]

>>16583346
>From what I've seen, all people into philosophy seem miserable and depressed.

I think the biggest problem is the enshrinement and worship of reason in Western philosophy.

Deconstruction and analysis are IMO the fruits of the worship of reason, when IME happiness is about affirmation, along with the satiation of sentiment and intuitions.

Western philosophers put analysis far above application or Praxis. The ethos in western philosophy seems to be that truth comes from deconstruction.

I like philosophers like Roger Scruton because he articulated that problem in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16590392]

>>16583346
I used to be suicidal but scared of death.
Now after reading Plato (and fixing a bunch of stuff) I'm no longer scared of death and ironically not suicidal anymore too.
Just stick to Plato, don't read anyone else, because everyone else knew they couldn't match up to Plato so they became suicidal and wrote philosophy trying to cope/rationalise their suicidal thoughts.

[Anonymous No.16590510]

>>16583346
It's an interesting "journey" to somewhere and I think people find themselves while going through the process if they do much thinking/writing with reading.
I arrived at pessimist station, became depressed and suicidal. But that's not the only station.

[Anonymous No.16590522]

>>16590354
how do you not suffer from depression anymore? I thought that shit lasted forever?