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I believe that there's nothing wrong with murder and people who kill others to advance their own agenda have simply transcended slave morality. Books on that?

>> No.16562375

Crime and Punishment, to prove you wrong

>> No.16562378

C&P

>> No.16562382

>>16562368
Obviously crime and punishment

>> No.16562388
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>I believe that there's nothing wrong with murder and people who kill others to advance their own agenda have simply transcended slave morality. Books on that?

>> No.16562394

>>16562368
Crime and Punishment will surely beat your megafaggotry to death

>> No.16562548

>>16562368
Crime & Punishment

>> No.16562552

>>16562368
Crime and Punishment

>> No.16562608
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>>16562375
Crime and Punishment does not at all prove that wrong. Yes, it does deal with the subject, but not to disprove it.

Also lmao at all the people who could not identify OP as bait.

>> No.16562610

>>16562375
Never read it but didn’t the mc go regret his choices

>> No.16562637

>>16562608
It shows that you'll end up completely differently than "a transcended person".
You'll feel anxious and guilty, even if you do not feel it was immoral.
>>16562610
He regreted it, but didn't feel like it was incorrect or immoral to kill the woman, even in prison at the end, he still couldn't understand why he killed her, but he still found her worthless and didn't find it immoral. I don't know what he convinced, was it because of guilt or something else? Whatever it was, the Syberia and Sonia gave him the purification and atonement

>> No.16562647

>>16562637
>I don't know what he convinced
I don't know why he confessed*

>> No.16562650

>>16562368
seven who were hanged

>> No.16562656

>>16562368
Exodus

>> No.16562697

>>16562368
why didnt Achilles kill Agamemnon?

>> No.16562738

>>16562368
Fantômas

>> No.16562818

>>16562697
>>why didnt Achilles kill Agamemnon?
pride and prejudices

>> No.16562971

>>16562637
No. It does not show what "you'll end up" like. It shows what one imaginary character ended up like. Other imanginary characters may end up differently(as Raskolnikov admits), and real people differently still. You have mistaken a fictional story for real life.

>> No.16563001

>>16562637
So everyone is recommending crime and punishment to expose op as a pussy, but rasklinov or whatever doesn’t even know why he felt bad about murdering even though he believed murdering her wasn’t seen as immoral? Then why tf does he regret it?

Again, I only get my information about this book from my gf, but if murdering the women had such a great negative influence on his psyche then does he actually believe his own cope excuses? Is it because he believes that the price of his murder, no matter how correct or moral he believed it to be, was to be judged by the law? Sounds like a guilty conscience for doing something unlawful instead of regretting murdering her

>> No.16563020

>>16563001
His murder wasn't perfect (he made a few mistakes, because he got nervous) and because of that he went insane. Also there was one character, Porfiry, a detective, who couldn't prove anything, but saw right through him since the beginning and was speaking like a judge. Excellent character.

>> No.16563150

>>16563020
Idk if there’s like deeper, concrete cause for him going insane initially, but I do know that he became super paranoid. He thought that the laws knew what he’d done and he was trying to turn himself in only to be laughed off I think. The murder isnt what caused him to have a psychological break but something did and that kinda proved that he wasn’t this superhuman that he thought he was

Is there a hidden reason why Porfiry had such an affect on ras? He had no evidence and spoke like a judge. Does he symbolize something? I’m still a little confused on why ras became such a wreck

>> No.16563229

>>16563001
He theorizes that it is acceptable for great men to murder lesser beings because they will utilize their resources better.

He commits a murder to test out this theory.

After the murder he feels guilty but in the end he still isn't sure if it is becuase his theory was wrong or if he just isn't a great man.

The story isn't really critical of the concept of moral murder for gain. It is rather about the author exploring his feelings about his inability to live up to his convictions. Or to put it another way, his failure to be able encompass all variables in his reasoning.

>> No.16563235

>>16562368
crime and punishment

>> No.16563242

>>16563150
He was just a hallucination caused by guilty conscience.

>> No.16563249

>>16562368
Justine by de Sade
Bataille's Story of the Eye

>whole thread of moralfagging children who have only read 2 or 3 Dostoevsky novels at most

>> No.16563277

>>16563249
How many did you read? Please share with us the awesome insight you gained from them.

You did gain some insight right...... You didn't just read it so you could be smug in the internet........ did you?

>> No.16563303

>>16563249
>moralfagging
aren't you being a moralist pointing that out?

(Sincerely now, I realized I was such a moralist a few months back that I ended up a hypocrite. This is something you guys need to get out of your heads asap)

>> No.16563361

>>16563229
>>16563242
Thanks guys

>> No.16563418

>>16563277
C&P is essentially the opposite of what the OP asked for and it was only funny to suggest it because of the title and the surface level themes. The joke was funny the first time. There was no need to spam it repeatedly.

Setting that aside, if you were actually familiar with Dostoevsky's work you might have suggested "Demons"/The Possessed, instead. The protagonist is an antihero whose belief system is similar to the one OP described, taken to a logical extreme. That book is probably beyond your current reading ability. Come back in a few years.

Mishima's "Sailor who fell from grace with the sea" might interest OP as well, but the narrative doesn't explicitly endorse or condemn his belief system.

>> No.16563419

>>16562368
uh based?

>> No.16563525

>>16563418
Crime and Punishment is not at all the opposite of what OP asked for. Maybe you should go back and read what he actually asked for.

You criticize my reading ability but failed to address the first line of my post. Did you not read It?

You also think that OP was legitimately asking for book recommendations rather than just baiting a Crime and Punishment thread which shows your sad gullibility. I didn't and wouldn't suggest anything.

Also, Dostoevsky is shit. You learned nothing by reading him and probably didn't even enjoy it.

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>>16563525