Where should I start with Plato

[Anonymous No.16560977]

Got intellectually BTFO for not starting with the Greeks so now I'm doubling back

[Anonymous No.16560982]

Start with the Greeks bro

[Anonymous No.16560989]

>>16560982
Yeahposter begone

[Anonymous No.16561001]

I'm reading through "Plato - Complete Works" , that seems to be the one recommended. However I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.16561008]

>>16560977
Socrates fucked kids, so disregard.
Aristotle tried to incorporate the material with the idea.
Plato is just pure perfection, his only problem was coping with the fact that his mentor was a pedophile throughout his life.
Then after he grew old, he rejected homosexuality in its entirety.

He was a based man, who respected a pedophilic predator who "could not control himself around attractive boys to an extent where the people he's visiting would hide their boys from him so he could focus on giving his lecture".

Just read the republic anon.

[Anonymous No.16561035]

>>16561008
Yeah I was reading through the dialogues and pic related is just Socrates lusting after a young boy. There are some insightful passages but nothing terribly interesting and it generally reads as gross and homoerotic.

[Anonymous No.16561129]

>>16561008
>Socrates fucked kids
Go fuck yourself perhaps
The whole point of those passages is to show how virtuous he is by never acting on those tendencies he is made to have had, as a model of true virtue. Our temptations aren't a choice but acting on them is, which he never did.

[Anonymous No.16561158]

>>16560977
Start with Plato's Gorgias. If you agree with him read his Theatetus and his Republic. After Plato read Aristotle's Nichomachaen Ethics. If you agree with him read his Rhetoric. Whether you agree or disagree, read his Metaphysics after. You don't have to read it all but it's a great step to understanding ways to perceive Metaphysics, or systems that map reality (like Physics, the modern subject instead of Aristotle's book, is a system that maps material causation).
After that, check two metaphysical heavyweights out in Parmenides and Heraclitus. From reading Plato and Aristotle you'll see how a Metaphysics can have a wide range of applications in fields like math, a creation narrative, how things exist, ethics etc. Parmenides and Heraclitus are metaphysical extremists but they come from a time before wide applications were expected. What they bring up can be answered by your metaphysics, which you already have before reading these writers.
After that I would recommend reading a nice history of philosophy that is a bit more biased towards your metaphysics so you can see their interpretation across other philosophers.
Alternatively you can read The Cave and the Light by Arthur Hermann for an even take on how universal their metaphysics is.
After that pick where you want to explore and refine your metaphysics. The next big metaphysical clash is between the Stoics and Epicureans. The largest clash would be the German Idealists where a lot of work was done trying to refute the rationalists and empiricists. Ultimately choose what draws you and after exploring that I would read another history of philosophy to tie it all together and fill in knowledge gaps then explore modern philosophy in either the Analytic or Continental philosophers to get more modern tools and terminology to put into your metaphysics.
After that you can explore any piece you missed or want to revisit or you can get into logic and try to develop or adopt a logic language that speaks to your metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.16561342]

>>16560977
Tfw I have a bunch of books from this set

[Anonymous No.16561361]

Follow this and come back once you're done

[Anonymous No.16561409]

read his works, chronologically, start to finish.

[Anonymous No.16561421]

>>16561409
>chronologically

[Anonymous No.16561429]

>>16561421
yeah go through each period of his literary activity, the point is to read all of it in a way that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.16561441]

>>16561429
>period of his literary activity

[Anonymous No.16561453]

>>16561441
you tryna help OP or not?

[Anonymous No.16561463]

>>16561453
>When he writes, it’s likely he will sow gardens of letters for the sake of amusing himself, storing up reminders for himself “when he reaches forgetful old age” and for everyone who wants to follow in his footsteps, and will enjoy seeing them sweetly blooming.

[Anonymous No.16562116]

>>16560977
Alcibiades I, Meno, Phaedo, Gorgias, Phaedrus, Republic, Symposium, Theatetus, Sophist, Statesman, Philebus, Parmenides, Timaeus.
Optionally Cratylus and Laws
This is the order I was given and which I found very good for getting the full picture of his philosophy, I think the anon who gave me this list gave me a whole list of why as well but I'd have to dig it up in my notes if you want to see that