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/sqtddtot/ Anonymous Sat Oct 10 12:04:16 2020 No.16549363 [Reply] [Original]

Why do we never have those on /lit/?
Post all your simple question in here instead of artificially increasing the pace of the board while decreasing its quality.
I'll start with a simple one: Is there a chart for starting with the Russians?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 12:13:35 2020 No.16549408 No flowchart for the Russians but you should start with Pushkin if you want to start at the "beginning".

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 12:19:38 2020 No.16549439 >>16549408 Pushkin is good but there are better Russians.i know you’re not implying this but lit often confuses “the first..” with “the best”.just because a similar work came earlier, that doesn’t make it better

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 12:21:54 2020 No.16549447 >>16549439 >better Russians like?

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 13:40:25 2020 No.16549768

In western canon reading lists there's usually a ~1000 year sparsely populated gap between virgil and dante. I was just wondering if there's anything between that progressively builds from virgil to dante. (please don't give me a bunch of non-sequitur theological texts, explain how they're related)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 13:43:36 2020 No.16549781 >>16549447 gogol

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 13:50:30 2020 No.16549812 >>16549363 why are newfriends incapable of reading the sticky on the very top of the board? Why are they incapable of going to the wiki?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 14:59:33 2020 No.16550190 >>16549363 What’s the best English bible translation? I was thinking I might as well read KJV if it’s enjoyably worded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 14:59:50 2020 No.16550193 >>16549447 Master and Margarita is peak Russian /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:09:22 2020 No.16550261 I'm from a country that's rangebanned from posting images? Any way I can bypass this? Message the mods? Download Tor?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:12:45 2020 No.16550287 Does anyone here have any books for learning Ge'ez? My mother has lots of old liturgical books from the Tewahedo church written in Ge'ez that I would like to translate for the younger kids in my church.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:15:11 2020 No.16550302 >>16550190 but i heard it misses stuff and i dont want to miss stuff at the price of prettiness

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:19:13 2020 No.16550339 >>16549768 Just make sure you're familiar with everything in here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_in_the_Divine_Comedy

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:20:55 2020 No.16550351 >>16549439 >>16549439 The first is the best to start with

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:22:34 2020 No.16550365 >>16550351 I was just digressing.i don’t necessarily disagree

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:26:10 2020 No.16550399

>>16550365
To add, I don’t think you need to read something like last of the Mohicans before Huckfinn or Moby Dick.fiction isn’t exactly like philosophy where it builds off its predecessors in a way that you need to read ina certain order.like I said, I don’t disagree but it’s not essential to read, for example, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy or Turgenev in a particular order

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:39:35 2020 No.16550499 File: 215 KB, 961x964, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've looked at the charts but normally there's criticism on the starter charts here, am I good to start with poetry as outlined

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:44:15 2020 No.16550522 >>16550499 you don't need a chart for poetry. it's much more important to know about the time period of the poet, rather than the poets before him.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:47:12 2020 No.16550541

>>16550522
thanks, that helps a decent bit, I have leaves of grass and an edgar allan poe compilation at home but with all the books on the internet these days there always feels like a better place you can start. I was really enjoying some banjo paterson earlier, I might read him first and go from there

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:48:47 2020 No.16550555 File: 6 KB, 225x225, arab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16549363 Where to start with Islamic philosophy?

Max Stirner Sat Oct 10 15:50:08 2020 No.16550570

>>16550499
dont listen to >>16550522

this is a decent chart for starting, add the Ode Less Traveled to the starting books, and read that one first. then Mary Oliver's handbook. you can skip the greek poets entirely but you should have a reasonably thorough knowledge of greek mythology, Edith Hamilton's mythologies is great. as for anthologies, the first two on that chart are great, I would ignore Harold Bloom's rambling notes on each poet though and just skip to the poetry, at least for a beginner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:50:53 2020 No.16550572 >>16550399 I read all the major influences of an author before reading the author, and I think any other way is pseud-tier

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:53:03 2020 No.16550589 >>16550499 Don't listen to >>16550570 You can't skip the Greek poets, they're huge influences on Ovid and Virgil who are huge influences on every subsequent poetry.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 15:55:44 2020 No.16550603

>>16550572
Not sure if bait, but if you want to read 1 book, you’ll read 10 other ones first?maybe that’s fine if your an academic but don’t give beginners the impression they have to spend a year reading other books in order to read The Brothers Karamazov.Thats just disingenuous

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:02:21 2020 No.16550637

>>16550555
Marshall Hodgson, Venture of Islam
Annemarie Schimmel, Mystical Dimensions of Islam
Coplestone's brief chapter(s) on Islam in his history of medieval philosophy (depends which book you get), since he has a good bibliography and will introduce you to the main names

Try to keep your wits about you, modern Islam is a fucking mess and half the people into it, whether Islamonationalists or religious fundamentalists, or gentle-seeming mystics on the internet, are only looking to recruit you as a footsoldier. The mystics might only recruit you to win autistic brownie points but with some of the other ones it's more literal. Being a sincere Muslim is hard in this day and age. But it is a beautiful tradition. Sedgwick's Western Sufism is a good book.

>>16550522
It depends on the perspective you take. You can read poetry orthogonally, developmentally, internalistically. That would make you a critic. Critics are just a rare breed, one that only emerged with modernity (for a reason), and is now completely suppressed and deformed into the politicized midwit horseshit that "literary criticism" passes for these days. The last real critics died mid-century, which is a shame, because they were the necessary link between empirical and philosophical studies of man. Only critics give you deep structural histories of mankind's psychic development. Philosophers are too high and people who study social structures are too low. Kaplan's Criticism: Major Statements is good.

But otherwise agreed, you need to learn about a period. Read Kenner's The Pound Era. Don't tolerate shitty poetry either. Too many people read poetry like women and fops, as if it's an occasional little decadent gay fruit snack with chocolate coating. Poetry used to start wars. Everything sucks now.

>>16550287
That's beautiful, please do that. Ge'ez is so rare, have you thought of getting in touch with some professionals directly? I read about about the history of Ge'ez philology (while trying to figure out Zera Yacob) and it seems like one of those fields tiny enough to have wonderful people in it who all know each other and want to help anybody who loves what they love.

>>16549408
Don't just start with Russian lit. Read Solovieff and the sophiologists. Sergei Bulgakov NOT Mikhail Bulgakov ok (actually both are good)

Read Mirsky's history of Russian literature, read Riasanovsky's history of Russia, every book in Russian you read will come alive like one great overarching drama if you do this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:03:31 2020 No.16550642 >>16550541 Poetry is a language, learning a language is a combination of hard study and long time spent soaking it in from a thousand different sources. Let yourself wander but also force yourself to dig, try to find a balance between the two.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:04:43 2020 No.16550647 >>16550637 >>16550589 >>16550570 Thanks anons, I'll take this a little more seriously and start, like in all things, with the Greeks. I'll start with Kenner as you said last anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:05:21 2020 No.16550649 >>16550603 It's not disingenous, it's the proper way. Whenever you want to actually engage with literature as an art form, start with the Greeks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:38:07 2020 No.16550870 >>16550193 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:44:32 2020 No.16550914 Can somone tell me if "The Kingdom Of God Is Within You" by Tolstoy is worth a read? How hard yo understand is it for someone who is not used to readimg philosophical works?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:50:54 2020 No.16550957 >>16549363 Start with Crime and Punishment

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:51:47 2020 No.16550967

>>16550399
This is true, but it's also good to be familiar with the predecessors. You will enjoy english language literature far more if you are familiar with Shakespeare and the Bible, so too you will further enjoy Russian literature after familiarizing yourself with Pushkin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:53:17 2020 No.16550976 >>16550967 Did you read the whole bible? How long did it take?

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:56:07 2020 No.16550995

>>16550649
The best way to get into reading is to read what you like and branch out from there.i agree there certain backbones of literature that everyone should read such as Homer,Aeneid, the major plays of Shakespeare,Don Quixote,etc but after that, the hierarchy becomes muddled and, depending on what you want to read, arbitrary.A new reader doesn’t have to read a slew of Ancient Greek texts to read The Great Gatsby.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 16:59:21 2020 No.16551024 >>16550995 Depends what you want to get out of reading.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:01:23 2020 No.16551037

>>16550967
I agree.My point is that “start with the Greeks” is generally a pseud meme because there is too many great works of literature in the last 200 years that you will never get around to if you methodically work your way up.in another post I mentioned that I do believe there are certain pillars of literature that a serious reader should read at some point

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:03:30 2020 No.16551047 >>16551024 That is true.Academics should read differently than hobbyists.IMO one should read for fun while still challenging themselves and gain insight at the same time; so a balance of sorts

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:07:17 2020 No.16551080 >>16551037 If you can't take 5 years or so to read the most important works up until 20th century, then you're a casual and r/books my be more up your alley.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:08:42 2020 No.16551093 >>16551037 Start with the Greeks just means Homer, Herodotus, Plato, Aristotle and the playwrights. Those shouldn't take you forever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:09:44 2020 No.16551100 >>16551037 Most of Plato's dialogues are like 12 pages. You could read one a day and be done in a few weeks.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:18:51 2020 No.16551161

>>16551080
>>16551093
>>16551100
My point is that generally turns off a new reader.A new reader should start with something quick, easy and “exciting” to get in the habit of reading and build themselves up.A bridge so to speak before getting into serious literary works

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:20:30 2020 No.16551180 >>16551161 If they're for something quick, easy, and exciting, then they should try reddit and stop watering down /lit/ with american mediocrity

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:25:46 2020 No.16551222 File: 43 KB, 333x500, The Muhammad Code.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16550555

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:26:12 2020 No.16551227

>>16551180
IDk what your point is?I consider myself well read.I am specifically talking about brand new readers.They need to develop the habit and cultivate their taste and tolerance to actually reading.New readers generally consider older works to be dry and are put off if that’s their baptism into the hobby

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:26:32 2020 No.16551233 >>16551161 Then you do that. I will read what I want and recommend what I enjoy or appreciate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:28:16 2020 No.16551245 >>16551227 Why are you talking about some hypothetical person that thinks Homer and Plato are too hard?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:28:43 2020 No.16551249 >>16549363 What’s going on with Bolaño in the OP?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:29:22 2020 No.16551253 Where to start with philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:29:32 2020 No.16551256 >>16551233 A lot of anons are misinterpreting what I’m posting.Ive read the so called “pillars”.All I’m trying to say is they are not a good way to break in someone brand new.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:30:47 2020 No.16551265

>>16551227
I don't know why you find it so hard to understand a simple point. As far as I'm concerned, brand new readers should start with the Iliad and if they find it hard thent they should keep trying. The solution is not "start with YA" but rather "try harder or go back"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:31:47 2020 No.16551273 I don’t enjoy fiction anymore. Anyone else experienced this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:32:37 2020 No.16551275 >>16551245 When did I say too hard?Generally a beginner wants something with simpler prose.You would do better to give a 14 year old Vonnegut than Aristotle

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:33:35 2020 No.16551283 >>16551275 You have to be over 18 to post on this board, why is your hypothetical /lit/ browser now 14?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:34:30 2020 No.16551293 >>16551256 Then don't read what's recommended if you don't like it. I'm not sure really what else to say to that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 17:35:52 2020 No.16551303 Lots of pseud dick-sizing going on in here.lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 19:15:25 2020 No.16551972 >>16549363 is warosu down for anyone else?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 21:19:31 2020 No.16552605 How do you guys handle unfamiliar vocabulary you come across in a book? Do you defend it immediately or do you write down the word and address it later?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 21:20:33 2020 No.16552615 >>16552605 *define

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 21:23:13 2020 No.16552638 File: 5 KB, 225x225, chad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16552605 That has never happened to me

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 21:23:40 2020 No.16552640

>>16549363
>Why do we never have those on /lit/?
You dumb newfag. This has been attempted many times for years now. It would really help the board if it was more successful—in that posters actually used it instead of making their worthless threads—but each attempt had little long term success. Good on you for making the thread, I pray it becomes a bigger part of board culture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 21:24:43 2020 No.16552647 >>16550261 >I'm from a country that's rangebanned from posting images? What country lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 01:00:30 2020 No.16553598 There was a 3d animated picture of Kant circulating on /lit/ but I can't find it. Does anyone have it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 04:34:04 2020 No.16554383 >>16550914 EVERYTHING by tolstoy is worth a read, retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 04:59:37 2020 No.16554481 >>16552605 immediatly, otherwise you would be reading without completely understanding the meaning

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 05:18:13 2020 No.16554537 Do anyone of you summary part of a book after you read it ? Should I do it with bullet point or full summary ?

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 06:26:42 2020 No.16554708

Thales, Heraclitus, Democritus, Pythagoras?, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Diogenes, Hesus, Aurelius, Aquinas, Dante, Machiavelli, Luther, Shakespeare?, Descartes, Leviathan?, Spinoza and Leibniz, Newton, Reid, French fag, Kant, Hegel, Goethe?, Schopenhauer, some guy, Kyrkogård, Marx....some phenomenalist here, skipping to Russell, and analytical philosophers.
Recognize later names but forgot the names of these you only read summaries of desu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 06:28:50 2020 No.16554720 Mods should pin this thread and delete every one line question threads.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 06:29:53 2020 No.16554722 >>16550555 Plotinus. Unironically. Islamic philosophy is neoplatonic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 06:32:15 2020 No.16554728 >>16552647 Armenia

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 08:49:23 2020 No.16555162 What are some good books on the history of England or Britain? Ones that begin before the conquest of William I would be especially good.

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 09:33:42 2020 No.16555333

I'm starting with the Greeks and so far I've read Homer and Hesiod. I'm thinking about reading Herodotus but I've seen an anon saying he references some plays (I think it was Oresteia and the Theban plays). Is that true? Is anything else I should read before starting the Histories?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 10:01:59 2020 No.16555446 File: 187 KB, 220x221, 1601778026595.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can anyone recommend me some good hungarian literature? Also, what's the best translation of "journey to the west" to read?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 11:48:57 2020 No.16555899 good time tested resource on raising cats?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 11:57:20 2020 No.16555937 >>16555333 I'm reading Histories right now and I haven't read the plays and I find it fine. You should read them if you think you will enjoy them though. I've heard they are great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 14:42:46 2020 No.16556920 Why the fuck hasn't there been a flowchart for Kierkegaard yet?

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 14:49:18 2020 No.16556956

>>16555333
You should read Herdotous before the plays because everything about Athenians in the Classical Age revolves around the Greco-Persic wars covered by Herodotus. Hell, the first play we have from Greeks is Aeschylus' "The Persians" so reading Herodotus before any plays is normal.

Herodotus will talk about a lot of shit though, so make sure you Google stuff and have many maps ready. Stuff like this can help http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/historians/ and http://moellerhaus.com/Persian/Historie_1.html

That said, the more knowledge you have about Greek myths and culture, the better. But IMO you shouldn't get the knowledge from the plays, you should already have the knowledge before the plays. I personally read Apollodorus' book, but I know it's not for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 14:51:18 2020 No.16556967 >>16554728 RIP

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 14:52:59 2020 No.16556977 File: 26 KB, 713x611, 1602365744659.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16554720 >still has hopes for /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 15:10:27 2020 No.16557095 >>16555446 A gyertyák csonkig égnek - Márai Sándor

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 15:23:36 2020 No.16557197 >>16555446 kertesz

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 16:07:09 2020 No.16557490
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>hegel thread
>mishima thread
>land thread
>peterson thread
>/pol/ thread
>feels thread
>hegel thread
>thread about women
>/leftypol/ thread
>catholic thread
>/b/-tier philosophy thread
I'm tired bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 17:03:24 2020 No.16557804 >>16555162 Churchill's is okay although he was history's greatest monster Hume if you really want to have a good time

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 17:10:19 2020 No.16557858 >>16557804 How is Hume's history? I took a look once and it was a gigantic book

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 17:14:00 2020 No.16557869 >>16557804 Thanks, I'll look into the Hume one at some point in the future as I've already got his Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding so I'll need to read that one first. And why is Churchill such a heathen when it comes to history?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 18:14:04 2020 No.16558244 >>16556967 Is there really no way I can ever post?

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 18:50:21 2020 No.16558442

are there any books about some kind of deity coming to the modern world and turning it into a fucking horrible hellscape, like satan appearing one day and all of the world is now the pits and fires of hell or something

anything like that, I just want more books about being faced with infinite hopelessness and helplessness against infinitely powerful and wise creatures that just fucking hate us

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