/frog/ French literature general

[Anonymous No.16542477]

Édition Les fleurs du bien

Welcome to the official thread for french /lit/erature. Feel free to contribute with reviews on your favourite authors, books, fragments, own works (so we can criticize them :), new editions or publications, and anything else related to French literature.

[Anonymous No.16542491]

>>16542477
Buena suerte mis hermanos galos

[Anonymous No.16542499]

is Les Rougon-Macquart worth it?

[Anonymous No.16542524]

>>16542499
Yes. It's not as long as La comédie humaine and each book is worth it on its own but reading the whole thing in chronological order is much more satisfying.

[Anonymous No.16542536]

Anyone has the Greek chart in French?

[Anonymous No.16542540]

>>16542477
how much Spanish can you guys comprehend as French natives, I sometimes think Spanish got the worse end of the stick in terms of romance intelligibility

[Anonymous No.16542541]

>>16542477
Bonjour
I need some Fr scholar reccs like Marc Fumaroli, a scholar who actually studies literature and ignores contemporary politics. Merci beaucoup.

[Anonymous No.16542623]

>>16542540
caannot follow a single sentence
theyre different languages

[Anonymous No.16542665]

>>16542524
It should be read in Zola's recommended order, though.

[Anonymous No.16542726]

>>16542540
Spanish got the best end. Can read Italian, Portuguese and some French. French got the wrong end of the stick. If you look at intelligibility videos on YouTube, the Mexican guy understands more than all the other Romance speakers.

[Anonymous No.16542922]

>>16542726
Yeah this is true. Iberia lost contact with Rome first and has older versions of Latin than France (which is why hablar is to talk in Spanish and appelle or we is French which got last Latin word for talk although both missed the first which survives as loquacious in English). This being said, French has a lot of Gaulish influence like the not pronouncing the letters at the end of the word thing iirc. I think only the Basque were more stalwart about keeping their language. Italian is farther from Latin than Syracuse or we island there because same thing.

[Anonymous No.16543081]

>>16542540
Italian is much more intelligible to me at least. I learned it a bit and can probably understand like 60-70% of it while reading

[Anonymous No.16543092]

>>16542623
Le Français ne comprend certes pas l’espagnol,
Mais l’Espagnol n’entend rien à l’esprit français.
Quand on voit arriver une dame créole,
Je souris et pense : «ta peau est à l’excès…

Couleur caca !»
Et je ris tant,
Qu’une petite goutte de pipi
Perle sur mon gland.

Alors mes doigts
Prennent mon grand
Kiki: la branle pousse le pipi
Sur le Catalan qui ne rit pas.

[Anonymous No.16543093]

Anyone know any worthwhile French Canadian literature? Really would like to read some

[Anonymous No.16544067]

>>16542536

[Anonymous No.16544087]

>>16543092
I understand most of this
t. Hispanic

[Anonymous No.16545521]

>>16542477
Should i read Baudelaire? What’s the deal with hil?

[Anonymous No.16545531]

>>16545521
>i
No, don't bother kek

[Anonymous No.16546339]

>>16543093
>French
oof
>Canadian
damn
>worthwhile literature
hahaha

[Anonymous No.16546357]

How important is choosing a translation for The Three Musketeers? Is it a mere factor of quality or are older translations unreadable?

[Anonymous No.16546511]

>>16546339
>oof
French lit is literally the best.

[Anonymous No.16546551]

Emma Bovary
The Red and the Black

...2 of my top 5 favorite novels.i have a handful of other French novels in my top 20.just wanted to say the French are based

[Anonymous No.16547859]

>>16543093
Gaston Miron and Émile Nelligan are worth reading

[Anonymous No.16547992]

I read random parts of Céline's antisemitic pamphlets when I'm bored, they are hilarious. Pure hysterical shitposting with great prose, beautiful use of slang.
I'm a leftist, but I can't be offended at his nuclear takes on Jews because it's so over the top, I can't really take him seriously (and as far as I know, he never snitched on anyone personally during occupation).
I'm glad they are untranslatable though. /pol/tards would ape his style and think they are intelligent for it. I have already seen this happening on a French ecofash forum and it was extremely cringe.

[Anonymous No.16548243]

>>16547992
totally agree with you, Bagatelles pour un massacre is hilarious but unfortunately I believe that Celine did in fact actively collaborate which would mean that he probably did snitch on people if he had the opportunity.
Do you have screenshot/link of that forum, it looks funny.

[Anonymous No.16548363]

>>16547992
Ngl that picture looks kinda creepy.

[Anonymous No.16548475]

>>16542477
mdr is that picture shopped to smile?

[Anonymous No.16549339]

Specifically with regard to his first two novels, is the difficulty of his prose overblown by frogs or should I anticipate a rough time as someone learning the language? I'm at the point where I can read 20th century novels pretty fluently, but I'm curious if I'm going to be glued to a dictionary if I try to tackle Voyage for example.

[Anonymous No.16549351]

>>16548363
fucking weak nigger

[Anonymous No.16549357]

>>16547992
>I'm glad they are untranslatable though.
Challenge accepted.

[Anonymous No.16549388]

>>16549339
Not even modern frogs could explain to me some passages.

[Anonymous No.16549405]

Obligatory Michel Tournier. Fuck Le Clezio, Tournier should have won it back then

[Anonymous No.16549426]

>>16543093
I like Dany Lafferière. L'odeur du café and Le charme des après-midi sans fin. Michel Tremblay too.

[Anonymous No.16549476]

>>16543093
Rejean Ducharme
Jacques Poulain (I love Volksvagen Blues, it's so fucking comfy)
Levy-Beaulieu or whatever he's called
try Nelly Arcan's "Putain"

but all memes aside

ANNE FUCKING HEBERT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.16549490]

>>16549426
Tremblay writes entirely in joual? or just in fragments?
Dany Laferiere
>FRENCH academy
>Montreal
>Haiti
nice guy, as he describes himself as "I am a japanese writer". I only read Pays sans Chapeau though...
I love Anne Hebert, "Fous de bassan" is the most exquisite piece of literature. what do u think about her?

[Anonymous No.16549491]

>>16544067
Why is the French chart better than the English?

[Anonymous No.16549502]

>>16549491
Gallimard has more aesthetic and pleasant book covers

[Anonymous No.16549539]

>>16549491
The French are better than the Angl*ids

[Anonymous No.16549541]

>>16549491

[Anonymous No.16549547]

>>16549541

[Anonymous No.16549554]

>>16549502
most of the books are from Flammarion though

[Anonymous No.16549564]

>>16549339
If you have a really good vocabulary you'll be able to understand the slangs a bit, some manner of speech may be a bit blurry but it's possible.
Try it.
https://www.ebooksgratuits.com/pdf/celine_voyage_au_bout_de_la_nuit.pdf

>>16549388
The modern frog is barely literate.

[Anonymous No.16549732]

>>16549547
Renaissance from Sceve to Agrippa would be great

[Anonymous No.16549743]

>>16549732
Ronsard is so good

[Anonymous No.16549818]

>>16549743
I prefer Maurice Sceve though but Ronsard is the OG, the true prince of poets

[Anonymous No.16550871]

>>16549732
Unfortunately I am not knowledgeable enough that do that yet.

[Anonymous No.16550884]

>>16549818
Are all the other La Pléiade poets any good?

[Anonymous No.16550917]

Est-ce qu'il y a l'équivalent de Walden en français ?

[Anonymous No.16550929]

>>16542540
I can understand most of it. But understanding most of it is actually not so great when it comes to actually understanding the whole text. Even 80% comprehension is pretty crappy

[Anonymous No.16550934]

>>16550929
based french

[Anonymous No.16550974]

>>16550884
Du Bellay has some very good poems. Les regrets is very enjoyable though sole poems do not pass the test of time unfortunately. “Heureux qui comme Ulysse” is a classic in French classrooms. He can be very funny too like in this sonnet about Venise:

Il fait bon voir, Magny, ces Coyons magnifiques,
Leur superbe Arcenal, leurs vaisseaux, leur abord,
Leur saint Marc, leur Palais, leur Realte, leur port,
Leurs changes, leurs profits, leur banque et leurs trafiques :

Il fait bon voir le bec de leurs chapprons antiques,
Leurs robbes à grand’ manche et leurs bonnets sans bord,
Leur parler tout grossier, leur gravité, leur port,
Et leurs sages advis aux affaires publiques.

Il fait bon voir de tout leur Senat balloter,
Il fait bon voir partout leurs gondoles flotter,
Leurs femmes, leurs festins, leur vivre solitaire :

Mais ce que lon en doit le meilleur estimer,
C’est quand ces vieux cocus vont espouser la mer,
Dont ils sont les maris, et le Turc l’adultere.

[Anonymous No.16550977]

>>16550934
Qué onda weeeeeeeeeey

[Anonymous No.16551481]

>>16542477
Bump

[Anonymous No.16552018]

>>16547992
You do realize that not everything has to be /pol/ right? Are you going to call Martin Luther /pol/?

[Anonymous No.16552176]

>>16544067
>>16549541
>>16549547
Not bad charts but I'd remove Hamilton.
Putting Fustel de Coulanges as introduction is also unusual. He's more endgame.
You put Epicure and Epictete in the Roman chart when they are Greeks. It's tolerable with Epictete considering it was during a latinized imperial Greece but Epicure is a century before the Roman conquest. It's also not worth going through his fragments at all in such a short list if you have Lucrecius already there.
The medieval one is fine and anglos would dream having that scholarship. Especially based putting Etienne Gilson.

[Anonymous No.16552245]

>>16549339
He writes as people would talk through a story. I guess it's hard if you don't speak (speak, not read) French naturally.
Some of the slang is from another time. Imagine having to explain the fine variations of "based and redpilled" to a 22nd century man.

[Anonymous No.16552261]

>>16547859
>>16549426
>>16549476
Thanks anons I’ll look into these

[Anonymous No.16552559]

I'm a Latin American diplomat, chiefly been sent to Europe and North America - oscillating between learning French or German, which should I choose and why?

There is the caveat that my greatgrandfather was a prussian general that, whilst he learned the French language, utterly despised everything to do with it (and with French people). Or so did my grandfather tell me.

I believe French will be easier, it is probably more relevant to my career, but I'm more interested in German culture and definitely don't want to make my great grandpappy into retroactive cuckold.

[Anonymous No.16552569]

>>16552559
french for all that catholic lit

[Anonymous No.16552584]

>>16552559
French if you want to turn gay since it will be easier to learn, given your spanish background

German if you want to get buff mentally. I learned it in two months just for reading and I gotta say reading Novalis or NEETscha in the original is worth.

[Anonymous No.16552632]

>>16552569
>>16552584
Oh I forgot to mention, I'm very, very into Catholic literature and theology (I was taught ecclesiastical Latin during my catechesis).

How realistic is it to learn both languages? Considering I'm merely 23. Any recommendations for either one? I plan to get my Master's either in the Sorbonne or Heidelberg, depending on the language I decide on. Thank you both for your input.

[Anonymous No.16553788]

>>16552632
Completly doable. If you want to simply read German and not speak/write it, the work is cut by 70%.

[Anonymous No.16554156]

>>16552632
>I'm very, very into Catholic literature and theology
Then you should learn French, you'll have access to hundreds of great books that were never translated.
Just check this website alone
https://saint-remi.fr/fr/

[Anonymous No.16554229]

>>16552632
Georges Bernanos
Julien Green
Francois Mauriac
Teilhard de Chardin

[Anonymous No.16554297]

>>16554229
>Teilhard de Chardin
absolute heretic
Read Bossuet, Pascal, de Maistre, de Bonald, Chateaubriand, Mgr. Gaume, Mgr. de Segur, Delassus, Péguy, Bernanos.

[Anonymous No.16554363]

>>16554297
>Péguy
wasn't he a commie?

[Anonymous No.16554382]

>>16554363
>wasn't he a commie?
When he was young yes, then he rejected modernity, became a Catholic and a nationalist.

[Anonymous No.16554488]

>>16552176
Fair criticisms
>Not bad charts but I'd remove Hamilton.
Hamilton is indeed pretty bad, I put it there to copy the English chart.
>Putting Fustel de Coulanges as introduction is also unusual. He's more endgame.
True, I read Fustel de Coulanges later, but, although he is difficult, he really allows you to understand the Greeks much better.
>You put Epicure and Epictete in the Roman chart when they are Greeks. It's tolerable with Epictete considering it was during a latinized imperial Greece but Epicure is a century before the Roman conquest. It's also not worth going through his fragments at all in such a short list if you have Lucrecius already there.
Imo Epictetus can be considered Roman, since he lived a long time in Rome, and while Epicurus is Greek, I wanted to keep the Stoics and the Epicureans on the same chart.
>The medieval one is fine and anglos would dream having that scholarship. Especially based putting Etienne Gilson.
Gilson is indeed based, and I would especially recommend Jacques Heers, since he is incredibly based but less known than Duby and Le Goff.

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[Anonymous No.16554731]

>>16554674
>L'Astree
how long is this novel actually?

[Anonymous No.16554796]

better to read Janny than some fascist trash

[Anonymous No.16554867]

>>16554229
>Julien Green
Get ready for writings made of half homolust and half germanopratin gossiping.
It's...really bad.

[Anonymous No.16554884]

>>16554297
as if Maistre isn't a heretic

[Anonymous No.16554902]

>>16554731
Too long. I've been "filtered".

>>16554674
There are plenty of questionable choices in there, but Amelie Nothomb?

>>16554884
He isn't. His masonic lodge was full of them but it says nothing about him.

[Anonymous No.16554918]

>>16547992
Why didn't you just make a post that said "I HATE /POL/TARDS"? Why do you insist on using Céline as an excuse to burp out a couple smug remarks? It's just such a faggy, feminine way to express your dislike of something.

>>16542477
I'm reading Julien Gracq's "Le Rivage des Syrtes" due to the recommendation of an anon, and I'm liking it. The prose is somewhat convoluted for my non-native self, but it's certainly not impossible if one has the patience for it.

[Anonymous No.16554932]

>>16552176
French medievalists are extremely based, but as a non-frog it's a shame that they have such a laser-like focus on France. I kinda wish other countries had an equally massive tradition of medieval scholarship, too.

[Anonymous No.16554940]

>>16554682
How are any of these guys forgotten, you hear just about all of them in high school lmao

[Anonymous No.16554957]

>>16554940
yeah this chart is very shitty
>>16554932
you can thank L'Ecoles des Chartres for this tradition, I don't think it has many equivalents in the world

[Anonymous No.16554998]

>>16554932
French medievalists are good in some areas outside of France. The Latin States in the Levant of course, but that's largely a proto-French colonial empire. Sinologists and Iranists are also quite good. There is a tradition of studying vikangz.
Aside from naturally being more interested in France, France and Italy combine the large majority of (reliable) documentation of Latin Europe of the time. It is impossible to reach this level of text based history in other parts of Europe. In fact of the world (the Chinese information for instance being plentiful but not even close to any historical standard). The part left to archaeologists and other nearby disciplines would necessarily be larger. Italy has its own strong medievalist tradition, but Frenchmen also wrote on the subject.

>>16554940
You went to some based high school that they even mentioned Rebatet.

[Anonymous No.16555025]

>>16554998
Well of course Rebatet is verboten, but what fucking school doesn't teach you about Villon or Chateaubriand, honestly? The bottom row is the only one that might be semi-obscure but everything else in that pic is high school tier.

[Anonymous No.16555233]

>>16554940
No *nglo has heard of them.

[Anonymous No.16555265]

>>16555233
well if the goal is to make anglos discover well-known writers in France but unknown elsewhere, the chart is still shitty and should include writers such as Aymé, Gracq or Char. The guy who made this chart is just shilling authors he likes while pretending they are on a equality foot (because let's face it, Rebatet isn't worth a hundredth of Villon or Chateaubriand).

[Anonymous No.16555309]

>>16555265
Yikes, Les deux étendards is better than Proust

[Anonymous No.16555488]

>>16554902
nothomb is belgian

[Anonymous No.16555511]

>>16555488
not very surprising considering she's a joke
meme aside, dear belgianbros, any good belgian author/poet besides Verhaeren?

[Anonymous No.16555548]

>>16555511
Rodenbach, Maeterlinck, Michaux

[Anonymous No.16555559]

>>16555548
Thanks, completely forgot Michaux was Belgian. Great poet. I’ll check the others

[Anonymous No.16555572]

>>16555265
Les deux étendards is great

[Anonymous No.16555689]

>>16554297
Call de Chardin a heretic if you will, but he's a 'Catholic heretic'. He's being a heretic within a Catholic background.
I like neither proper Catholicism nor de Chardin - though I prefer the former to the latter - but he's influential enough that reading him is interesting. You can read things you disagree with, you know.

[Anonymous No.16555696]

>>16549564
>The modern frog is barely literate.
That's not true ; of it is, there's no country on earth that can be called well-read (I assume this was a hyperboly).

[Anonymous No.16555710]

>>16555559
Marcel De Corte is a very interesting Belgian philosopher, read L'intelligence en Péril de Mort, great book!

[Anonymous No.16556183]

>>16555265
>Aymé, Gracq or Char
shit writers

[Anonymous No.16556439]

>>16555511
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Simenon
this fucker wrote 500 novels? lel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_De_Coster
le thyl ulenspieglel meme xD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Toussaint
something more recent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_Yourcenar
forgetting someone important? probably the most renown belgian author

[Anonymous No.16556633]

>>16552584
>I learned it in two months just for reading
How did you do it, bro? With what kind of resources?

[Anonymous No.16557027]

>>16543093
hubert aquin is also very good, especially prochain episode (next episode)

[Anonymous No.16557085]

>>16542541
There are plenty, depends on what you're interested in. Fumaroli is indeed one of the biggest, Jean-Yves Tadié is one of the most important commentators of Proust. René Girard, Rolan Barthes and Maurice Blanchot were known among other things for their unconventional and pretty theoretical takes on literature, maybe they won't be your cup of tea but they are worth checking out.

[Anonymous No.16557097]

>>16543092
Not as good as the one recommending to read Rabelais. Sorry scatologist anon, better luck next time.

[Anonymous No.16557122]

>>16545521
Yes, he's a great poet, very classic and well-mastered form with a few formal innovation, a close work on sonority that makes his verses often sound like songs or whispers (unlike say Corneille who is more rhetorical and discursive). Reading Baudelaire in French for the first time can be an unforgettable experience as he is at once painfully sensual, tormented, spiritual, bitter, ironic and earnest in turns, and intellectually lucid. Barbey d'Aurevilly called him the "Dante of a fallen world" and I feel like thinking of Baudelaire as a fallen, disminished Dante is not a bad (if romantic and unrigorous) way to look at him.

[Anonymous No.16557147]

>>16547992
>>16548243
I'm a Jew and I agree with these. Bagatelles pour un massacre is pure literary kino, absolute madness on the page, he actually manages to make antisemitism sound based and unhinged instead of whiny and opportunistic, which is a feat.

I guess it's like Joyce's fart letters to his wife, when you're that good a stylist it shows even in your grocery list.

Also I believe he accused one guy of being Jewish out of personal enmity, but the guy turned out to be aryan so the German left him alone. Not very dignified but at least nobody ended up in camps because of him.

[Anonymous No.16557180]

>>16542477
Using this thread to ask that dread question: is there any good translation of the Diels-Kranz edition of the presocratics in French?
Apparently the Pleiade did one but it's in alexandrine verse, and I'd like something that strives for accuracy instead of good French versification.
I'll probably get down to learning German and/or Greek in the coming years, but I'd like to be able to read the Presocratics in the most comprehensive edition ever before that.

[Anonymous No.16557184]

>>16557147
>he actually manages to make antisemitism sound based and unhinged
That's how antisemitism has usually been since Cicero. Even Voltaire could appear so when trashing Jews, and he's otherwise cringe incarnate.

[Anonymous No.16557186]

>>16542540
If I read italian I can understand 60% of it. Hearing is different probably could understand 35%. In the south we say here that to learn italian you only need 3 weeks in some town in italy.

For Spanish: reading 18% hearing 15%

[Anonymous No.16557195]

>>16542922
In french we still have the word locasse. Means someone that likes to talk

[Anonymous No.16557204]

>>16543093
Serious answer Lionel Groulx

[Anonymous No.16557206]

>>16552018
Céline is extremely /pol/core in that he was a very vocal antisemite most of his life and was favorable to Hitler until he started suspecting him of collaborating with the Jews.

There's even a short scene in one of Marcel Aymé's stories where Aymé gently mocks Céline's obsession with the Jews (Aymé knew Céline personally and was even his friend).

[Anonymous No.16557227]

>>16557180
The Pleiade edition of the presocratics is great but is original and deviates from Diels. Contains pieces that had not been translated before and great notes, but if you insist on a translation of Diels edition it's best to go German I guess.

[Anonymous No.16557229]

>>16550917
Oui chez Kontre Kulture.

[Anonymous No.16557234]

>>16552632
>Oh I forgot to mention, I'm very, very into Catholic literature and theology
Absolutely learn French.

>How realistic is it to learn both languages? Considering I'm merely 23.
Very realistic considering you age and background (future or actual diplomat, from an old military family, was taught Latin as a child). Ecclesiastical latin is very close to French, in fact a native French speaker can make sense of most sentences in Jerome's Vulgate just by looking at them.

So my advice would be: learn French for easy benefits, then tackle German as the more difficult undertaking.

[Anonymous No.16557244]

>>16557180
wait, I don't think the Pleiade is in verse. I mean that would be beyond absurd. There's another edition btw, like a lighter Pleiade - that is, it's the Pleiade one, only with less notes, methinks - it's the 'folio' called 'Les écoles présocratiques'. There may be one or two pages in verse, I can't remember much, but for sure, most of it isn't.

>>16557195
lokace, mec.

>>16556439
I second Simenon.

[Anonymous No.16557253]

>>16556439
Didn't know Yourcenar was Belgian desu.

[Anonymous No.16557258]

>>16557244
Je viens de fouiller et c'est loquace

[Anonymous No.16557266]

>>16557184
Antisemitism pre-20th century I'd give you that. In the 20th century it became very cringe with its obsession of modern pseudo-theories like social darwinism.

[Anonymous No.16557283]

>>16557227
>>16557244
Thanks to both of you. I focused on Diels-Kranz because I see even French scholars referencing it massively, but if the Pleiade is comparable in terms of comprehensiveness and scholarship I'll give it a try.

[Anonymous No.16557284]

>>16557206
All those authors, like Luther mentioned above, are /pol/core. The only cringe comes form posts like >>16547992 that say with alacrity how much the big bad wrong-thinkers wouldn't get it.

>>16557244
I picked my Pleiade volume on Presocratiques (admittedly bought it because it was so cheap but it's been stuck on my backlog for a year). It is definitely not versified unless the source is and the typeface makes it obvious what parts are.

[Anonymous No.16557297]

>>16557284
>All those authors, like Luther mentioned above, are /pol/core.
Few are /pol/core like Céline is. He even has rants about girls liking Jewish dicks better because they have more bizarre shapes. And he also shits on pretty much every race, each one in a specific way, although he still focuses more on the Jews. His pamphlets are /pol/ incarnate, except well-written.

The guy would be an endless source of /pol/ memes if people bothered to read him.

[Anonymous No.16557339]

>>16557297
Well he's French, badly translated, and half of /pol/ are spics living in the United States.
>he also shits on pretty much every race, each one in a specific way
I know. His trashing of angloids is just as good as his antisemitism. It would be all over /lit/ if he was read here. But nothing beats his trashing of Sartre.

[Anonymous No.16557379]

>>16557206
>>16557297
>Any author who has hard right wing views is now considered /pol/
This is so retarded. I don't care how extreme Celine is compared with others. This is one of the most stupid things I read

[Anonymous No.16557384]

>>16557258
oui oui je dec
lokace c'était le temps d'infonie et lycos. ptin que d'émotion

et j'en profite les gars, si vous avez de bonnes recommandations en termes de traductions de Shakespeare, c'est cool. y'a celles faites par Brasillach parues récemment, chépa ce que ça vaut. Celles de Gide et Pagnol, quelqu'un connaît ?

[Anonymous No.16557393]

>>16557384
J'ai les traductions de François-Victor Hugo que je trouve bien, je les ai lus il y a longtemps ceci dit. Je pense qu'une bonne idée serait de prendre des éditions bilingues et d'essayer de les lire en anglais en s'aidant de la traduction.

[Anonymous No.16557405]

>>16557393
>>16557384
Je viens de voir que Bonnefoy a fait des traductions, essaies d'y jeter un coup d'oeil ça peut valoir le coup.

[Anonymous No.16557408]

>>16557379
You seem to have entirely misunderstood. Céline is not "hard right wing", he's straight-up crazy. Once he accused Hitler of being in league with the Jews for gathering them away from cities (he saw it as an obvious attempt to save them from bombings), then he started improvising an imitation of Hitler using his fingers to denote the mustache.
And he did it at a party that was attended by German officials and Gestapo officers.

Just read Bagatelles pour un massacre and you'll see.

Also I never said being hard right wing makes you /pol/. The racial obsession and crazy funny insults certainly qualifies him however. As >>16557339 says his takedown of Anglos and of Sartre rivals his ranting about Jews.

[Anonymous No.16557416]

>>16557384
Juste un conseil : ne lis pas les traductions de Pierre-Jean Jouve.

[Anonymous No.16557427]

>>16557206
>Marcel Aymé's stories where Aymé gently mocks Céline's obsession with the Jews
do you remember which one? I have Aymé's complete works and I'd like to check it out

[Anonymous No.16557441]

>>16557408
>his takedown of Anglos and of Sartre rivals his ranting about Jews.
That reminds me, is there some story behind him referring to Sartre as Jean-Baptiste? I know it was his father's name, but is there some other significance?

[Anonymous No.16557466]

>>16557408
Comparing any author, right, left, whatever to a containment board on 4chan makes you sound obsessed. I'm not saying you're a midwit but it makes you sound like one. I wouldn't go around calling Gramasci /leftypol/ because he said a bunch of stupid Marxist crap.

[Anonymous No.16557467]

>>16557416
ha ha ! oui, elles sont tellement à chier que c'est drôle parfois. dans le même genre (en pire) il y a celles de Daniel et Geneviève Bournet.

[Anonymous No.16557542]

>>16557097
I'll try to do better next time anon

[Anonymous No.16557827]

Le Petit Prince aside, could anyone tell me if Saint-Exupery wrote something decent?

[Anonymous No.16557873]

>>16557827
try Vol de nuit or Lettre à un otage, I read them some years ago and I can remember liking them

[Anonymous No.16557890]

>>16557466
Fair enough, but Céline is uncannily memetic.

[Anonymous No.16557984]

>>16557466
>>16557890
I would agree on anyone else, but Celine is very genuine in his memetic antics.

>>16557827
Vol de Nuit and Pilote de Guerre are the other commonly praised works but I haven't read them.

[Anonymous No.16558029]

>>16557827
>>16557873
If you like aviation literature, there's The Great Circus by Pierre Clostermann. He was an Ace pilot in the Freench Free Air Forces during WW2, and The Great Circus is his memoir of that time. Apparently Faulkner praised it, anyway it's a very interesting document. Clostermann also shortly trashtalks Saint-Exupéry in it at some point.

[Anonymous No.16558088]

>>16558029
nice I'll check it, what did he say about St-Exupery? Kessel also wrote a book about Mermoz if anyone is interested

[Anonymous No.16558290]

>>16554156
>>16554229
>>16557234

Very well you gaullish bastards, you've convinced me. I've always found Teilhard de Chardin's quasi-heresy fascinating, but I imagine he's far from being a good text for an iniciate. Any recommendations? I imagine the French Alliance would be a wonderful choice as a centre of learning, no?

If I don't end up learning German I hope my grandpappy doesn't spin in his grave too much.

[Anonymous No.16558340]

>>16558088
He said Sait-Exupéry was a bit of a poser who came late into the war and spent too much time explaining to Roosevelt why the French deserved to lose the war (while many of his fellow Frenchmen were giving their lifes to fight the Germans).

This was only a handful of lines, he concludes by saying that he holds no grudge as Exupéry paid his dues. This was more a "this guy is really overrated" moment.
Worth noting that Clostermann comes from Alsacian aristocracy, with a family tradition of holding office and military service, so that comes with certain attitudes and opinions. Mostly based though.