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[Anonymous No.16540291]

So, where were you when Aquinas was finally BTFO?

[Anonymous No.16540331]

>Tolkien was right, Sauron and elves were real - and black holes could hold proof of their existence, says Noble prize winner

[Anonymous No.16540344]

>>16540331
cope

[Anonymous No.16540346]

>>16540291
And who created this another universe?

[Anonymous No.16540347]

>assert this thing definitely exists
>imply there's no proof in next clause

[Anonymous No.16540348]

>>16540291
>big bang

[Anonymous No.16540351]

>>16540346
This. It doesn’t disprove shit on a metaphysical level.

[Anonymous No.16540352]

Yeah we knew this already dickhead the universe has been through unknowable cycles but at the same time only one
Fucking plebes don't even

[Anonymous No.16540353]

>>16540291
>big bang

[Anonymous No.16540356]

>>16540291
reminder for materialists: Penrose is a Platonist

[Anonymous No.16540357]

>>16540346
>who
can christ fags get the fuck off my board already?

[Anonymous No.16540361]

>>16540348
>>16540353
based dunning krueger posters

[Anonymous No.16540367]

>>16540291
> [It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah, the One, the Prevailing.
14:48

God informed us that the universe was cyclical.

[Anonymous No.16540368]

>>16540291
this counts as either the physics prize and the literature prize
unironically

[Anonymous No.16540371]

>>16540356
penrose is a self declared atheist, atomist and mechanist

[Anonymous No.16540375]

So like the Stoic Conflagration? Or the Yuga cycles, or any other interpretation of the perennial truth?

[Anonymous No.16540378]

>"nobel-prize-winners" have cred
no

[Anonymous No.16540382]

>>16540346
Eternity of the World.

[Anonymous No.16540386]

>>16540361
There is absolutely no way anyone can prove that it happened

[Anonymous No.16540389]

>>16540378
Penrose is literally the most influential physicist alive, a statement that was also still true 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.16540392]

>>16540356
penrose is a self declared atheist, atomist and determinist.

[Anonymous No.16540396]

>>16540375
Cycles of Plato's Statesman.

[Anonymous No.16540400]

>>16540357
Atheist subhumans first.

[Anonymous No.16540401]

>>16540392
>determinist and materialist
>believes quantum field is the basis for consciousness and free will.

[Anonymous No.16540411]

>>16540291
I know this is a shitpost, but Aquinas out of all things? Who thought (accurately) that the question time prolongation was undecidable once immersed in time as we are.

[Anonymous No.16540413]

>>16540401
The quantum field != magic that I can bend to my will

[Anonymous No.16540430]

>>16540401
yes of course.
for instance i myself as a determinist also "believe" in the square or the circle or the logarithm. you can call me a platonist if you want, but the other word you keep using "materialist" is completely devoid of meaning.
penrose (and i) doesn't believe in magic or in a supernatural world. and, i repeat, he calls himself an atheist.

[Anonymous No.16540439]

>>16540430
also, lay your filthy hands off sir penrose and go back reading heidegger and bergson

[Anonymous No.16540442]

>>16540346
And who created the God you're implying created it? Another God? Do Gods go recursively? My fucking sides

[Anonymous No.16540473]

>>16540392
>>16540430
He is not atomist at all. In fact he explicitly states that all matter is decaying into radiation.
Platonism also involves mentalist processes. I don't think Penrose is behaviorist on that front but prove me wrong. In fact, what I do know is that he is a strong critic of algorithmic views of rational acts and consciousness. In this sense he is not determinist at all. He can be called "determinist" in being lukewarm about wavefunction collapse in quantum mechanics, which is something else entirely.
Things that you disagree with are not automatically "magic".

[Anonymous No.16540476]

>>16540291
While Sir Roger is likely the most important physicist of the past 50 years, isn't he, you know, fucking ancient and a bit decrepit at this point?

[Anonymous No.16540505]

>>16540473
> he explicitly states that all matter is decaying into radiation
of course he doesn't and you don't know what you are talking about.
> mentalist processes, behaviorist, rational acts
he doesn't even address that psychological garbage.
> determinism
he believes or rather knows that reality, which is the conscious universe and that alone, is ruled by the mathematical laws of physics. they equally work for your maggot brains and for a waterfall.
as i already said: >>16540439

[Anonymous No.16540531]

>we have some evidence of x lads, even though I dont really understand it and is very likely be wrong or incomplete by my own admission, and we might find otherwise in 25 years

wow that really DOES btfo 2500 years of philosophy
We just spent 100 years talking about wether the big bang btfo philosophy and religion or not, cant wait to spend another 200 discussing this one for some reason until we find out it was wrong too.
Atheist materialists stand on shakier grounds than philosophy and for some reason argue as if they had actual facts, and for some reason we keep listening to them as if they did.

[Anonymous No.16540553]

>>16540476
He's 90 and has spent the last two decades promoting "interesting" fringe views. I don't frame that a negative per se, considering the sorry epistemological state of the "established" mainstream, but those attempts have been more strange than illuminating.
Even in his core domain, his shilling of cosmic microwave traces proving conformal cyclic cosmology in the last decade has been a failure, and the empirical claims retracted.
His attempts at expanding outside cosmology have broken the myth about the man (see his attempts at delving into computation and artificial intelligence discussions, and biology).
Should have stopped when he was on top.

>>16540505
>of course he doesn't and you don't know what you are talking about.
https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/e06/PAPERS/THESPA01.PDF
He even think electrons mass will disappear, and that particles just decay on their own in isolation without interaction, which is usually the stopping point for other with similar theories.

[Anonymous No.16540566]

>>16540291
have they proved black holes?

[Anonymous No.16540575]

>>16540442
God is outside time and matter. No time = no beginning and end

brainlet

[Anonymous No.16540596]

>>16540553
no, in that paper he talks about massless particles (like the photon or some particle physics elements). that just confirm him to be an atomist and a determinist.