Louise Gluck

[Anonymous No.16532522]

Thoughts on the new Nobel Laureate?

[Anonymous No.16532529]

who

[Anonymous No.16532541]

>>16532522
Very nice 'body of work'

[Anonymous No.16532562]

>>16532522

[Anonymous No.16532571]

>>16532522
Mediocre.
I can't believe I let them ruin my day like this.

[Anonymous No.16532573]

>>16532522
BUILT CUSTOM DESIGNED MADE CONSECRATED AND MANUFACTURED FOR BBC

[Anonymous No.16532587]

>>16532522
Pretty woman too. Hey guys, what can you recommend from her?

[Anonymous No.16532590]

ILLUMINATIONS
1.
My son squats in the snow in his blue snowsuit.
All around him stubble, the brown
degraded bushes. In the morning air
they seem to stiffen into words.
And, between, the white steady silence.
A wren hops on the airstrip
under the sill, drills
for sustenance, then spreads
its short wings, shadows
dropping from them.
2.
Last winter he could barely speak.
I moved his crib to face the window:
in the dark mornings
he would stand and grip the bars
until the walls appeared,
calling light, light,
that one syllable, in
demand or recognition.
3.
He sits at the kitchen window
with his cup of apple juice.
Each tree forms where he left it,
leafless, trapped in his breath.
How clear their edges are,
no limb obscured by motion,
as the sun rises
cold and single over the map of language.

[Anonymous No.16532594]

Who?

[Anonymous No.16532602]

>>16532522
I live in a world where Borges doesn't have a Nobel Prize but this woman yes.

[Anonymous No.16532604]

>>16532522
she's gonna fall into the camp of 'who'? nobel winners

[Anonymous No.16532606]

>>16532522
Murakami deserved it

[Anonymous No.16532607]

>>16532522
>a fucking jewess

[Anonymous No.16532609]

>>16532522
That was not on my radar at all. In no way did I think an American would win, let alone Gluck. But alright I guess, don’t know much about her.

[Anonymous No.16532616]

Who?

[Anonymous No.16532617]

How has an American retained the german Umlaut Ü.
That is so uncommon I actually thought a german won again.

>also
Who?
>>16532607
>a fucking jewess
disgusting

[Anonymous No.16532621]

>another stupid American

[Anonymous No.16532633]

You're unironically revealing yourself as a pseud if you don't know who this is. She's anthologised regularly.

[Anonymous No.16532636]

>>16532529
>>16532594
>>16532604
>>16532616
>>16532617
She is very popular and well-regarded in contemporary literary circles. If you haven't heard of her you probably just don't care about contemporary literature beyond the next DeLillo novel. She still shouldn't have won over Simic or Carson for English-language poetry but this is tradition for the Nobel Prize.

[Anonymous No.16532640]

I like her poem Vespers. Very tender piece.

[Anonymous No.16532645]

>>16532636
only faggots read poetry and the good ones (ancient greeks) are dead.

[Anonymous No.16532650]

>>16532640
Fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.16532659]

>>16532650
Meant for this le epic comment>>16532645

[Anonymous No.16532661]

>>16532522
4/6 of the last American Nobel laureates have been Jewish, and none of them are even Philip Roth (tho Saul Bellow is cool). Fuck.

[Anonymous No.16532664]

Share your poems of her that you like pelase.
i dont know her.
>>16532640
Could you post it here?

[Anonymous No.16532667]

>>16532633
While the "no one on /lit/ reads" meme is a little exaggerated, it's definitely true that almost no one at all on here keeps up with "the scene" as it currently stands

Ironically, most of the older dudes anons here jack off to the idea of reading would say that if you aren't keeping up to date with contemporary literature you can't really claim to be a lover of the medium

[Anonymous No.16532675]

>>16532664

[Anonymous No.16532677]

>>16532664

[Anonymous No.16532681]

>>16532571
We had no expectations, yet we're still let down.

[Anonymous No.16532696]

>>16532681
I can't fucking get it. I was expecting a woman/non-european, but why the hell would they give it to her over Anne Carson???
My autism can't take this shit.

[Anonymous No.16532699]

>>16532667
>Ironically, most of the older dudes anons here jack off to the idea of reading would say that if you aren't keeping up to date with contemporary literature you can't really claim to be a lover of the medium

Care to tell us the secret of your communication with the dead?

>>16532675
This is...nothing special.

[Anonymous No.16532711]

>>16532696
Look at the rest of the list, this is normal.

[Anonymous No.16532713]

>>16532664
>>16532699
i think they are quite beautiful anon

[Anonymous No.16532727]

>>16532699
>Care to tell us the secret of your communication with the dead?
What the fuck are you on about m8? There are literal essays from people like T.S Eliot saying this sort of thing

[Anonymous No.16532734]

>>16532667
you don't have to be interested in contemporary literature but she isn't a "who" just because the only possible winner you would know is Houellebecq

[Anonymous No.16532742]

>>16532522
>atleast it wasn't a nigger just the niggers of genders

[Anonymous No.16532761]

>>16532713
that's really nice

[Anonymous No.16532785]

>>16532734
>umm she's not a "who", her jewish friends say that she's a big deal, so she can't be just a "who", silly!

[Anonymous No.16532791]

Louise Glück was born in New York City on April 22, 1943. She is the eldest of two surviving daughters of Daniel Glück, a businessman, and Beatrice Glück (née Grosby), a homemaker.[3]

Glück's paternal grandparents, Hungarian Jews, emigrated to the United States, where they eventually owned a grocery store in New York. Glück's father was the first member of his family born in the United States. He had an ambition to become a writer, but went into business with his brother-in-law.[4] Together, they achieved success when they invented the X-Acto Knife.[5]

[Anonymous No.16532794]

>>16532785
Oh shut up

[Anonymous No.16532813]

>>16532713
>>16532761

[Anonymous No.16532814]

>>16532636
UHM sweety I do care about literature, I've got the Winds of Winter ready for pre-order

[Anonymous No.16532818]

>>16532813
whoa amazing noble price worthy lit!!

[Anonymous No.16532832]

>>16532813
> and yet, she persisted

[Anonymous No.16532850]

>>16532818
Who would be top 3 for English-language poetry, anon?

[Anonymous No.16532851]

>>16532813
>literally, unironically falling for the dark ages whig meme in 2020 AD.

[Anonymous No.16532862]

>>16532522
I typically don't read "contemporary literature," I certainly don't read anything written by a heeb

[Anonymous No.16532865]

>>16532522
She's firmly in the
>write prose passage
>press Enter at random intervals
>call it poetry
camp. Rupi Kaur except she's actually respected in some circles

[Anonymous No.16532869]

>>16532522
It's a 'Who?' from me, but honestly i don't care that much about the contemporary shit they laureate
Only physics and economy laureates still hold the sense of quality that a Nobel is supposed to represent, the others and specially peace and literature winners are essentially Grammy winners

[Anonymous No.16532872]

>>16532850
What does the enjambment add?

[Anonymous No.16532884]

>>16532522
>(((Gluck)))
My GPT-3 can write better poetry than some american jewess.

[Anonymous No.16532895]

>>16532850
Good poem.

>>16532872
Celan worship.

[Anonymous No.16532917]

>>16532872

[Anonymous No.16532929]

I can't into poetry anons. Am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.16532933]

>poetry that doesn't rhyme
I sleep

[Anonymous No.16532935]

>>16532929
Just socially retarded

[Anonymous No.16532941]

>>16532933
>t. 20 something anglo*d

[Anonymous No.16532944]

>>16532933
barbarian

[Anonymous No.16532946]

>>16532929
I don't get poetry either

To me it
reads like prose
with weird
line spacing

[Anonymous No.16532948]

>>16532933
Blank verse is still the greatest achievement in English literature. You can keep your little ditties.

[Anonymous No.16532950]

>>16532522
literally who

[Anonymous No.16532956]

>>16532929
No, just buy an introductory book explaining poetry along with Shakespeare or some other well known and classic/simple poet like Rudyard Kipling, whose legend of Mirth I highly recommend for beginners and is also a good short read.

Also just learn iambic pentameter, what the even means, and recognise it beyond all others, and it'll become pretty easy eventually to understand poetry and the greater, dare I say meta-metrical reasons and uses for it.

[Anonymous No.16532962]

>>16532522
>poetry

[Anonymous No.16532969]

>>16532895
glad some people are interested

[Anonymous No.16532975]

>>16532675
I’ve never been able to get into her poetry but I like this one a lot, thanks anon. I still think Anne Carson was a better choice though.

[Anonymous No.16532979]

>>16532969
looks like bob dylan's lyrics

[Anonymous No.16532980]

>>16532587
Maybe her mouth.

[Anonymous No.16532989]

>>16532713
Her poetry reminds me a lot of Mary Oliver’s

[Anonymous No.16532990]

>>16532975
I was pretty surprised by her win over Carson and Simic

[Anonymous No.16532993]

>>16532941
>>16532944
>>16532948
No one will give a shit about your shitty poetry if you don't put in the effort, my guy.

[Anonymous No.16532996]

Writing like
this
makes your poetry look
deeper
than it
actually
is
like adding violin
strings to a
movie soundtrack
a cheap
emotional
device
devoid of

meaning

[Anonymous No.16533001]

>>16532522
A fitting winner for our mediocre uncontroversial short attention span world

[Anonymous No.16533003]

>>16532979
>>16532969
w-wait is this poem hers? i thought it was yours, anon.

[Anonymous No.16533004]

>>16532996
Edgy high schooler take

[Anonymous No.16533010]

>>16532990
Never read anything by Simic actually. What would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.16533011]

>>16532969

[Anonymous No.16533014]

>>16533004
Yet all you people can answer with is "this is a dumb take"

[Anonymous No.16533021]

>>16533010
/lit/ is an antisimitic board

[Anonymous No.16533040]

>>16533010
The World Doesn't End

[Anonymous No.16533049]

>>16532675
>>16532677
>>16532590
>>16532969
>>16532990
How the fuck is that poetry? Just some nonsense with random line breaks.

I know that modern poetry is just a meme, but you could unironically tell any given person on the street to write down some random stuff and get the same results.
What exactly does that make worthy of a nobel price?

[Anonymous No.16533052]

>>16532522
>woman
>jewish

[Anonymous No.16533055]

>>16532996
>>16533011
>>16533049
>HOW IS IT POETRY IF ITS TWO LINES THAT DONT RHYME

[Anonymous No.16533061]

>>16533049
>but you could unironically tell any given person on the street to write down some random stuff and get the same results
post your own random stuff to prove it

[Anonymous No.16533063]

>>16533049
Yes exactly modern poetry is a meaningless spook
Everyone in this thread asking for better contemporary poets are asking the wrong question. They should be asking who are better writers of contemporary literature to which the answer is a large selection

[Anonymous No.16533067]

>>16533014
By your standards children’s rhymes are poetry but T. S. Eliot’s poems aren’t. It’s too dumb to refute.

[Anonymous No.16533068]

>>16533055
it's so much worse with the tabs. what was he thinking

[Anonymous No.16533071]

>>16533067
Get rid of the enjambment in The Waste Land and it's still every bit as meaningful

[Anonymous No.16533078]

>>16533061
rupi kaur

[Anonymous No.16533081]

>>16533078
oh, so you couldn't

[Anonymous No.16533084]

>>16533063
Name 5 contemporary writers you think should have won.

inb4
>Nadas
>Ngugi
>Kundera
>Krasznahorkai
>Marias
>houellebecq

[Anonymous No.16533085]

>>16533081
I'm not even that guy but it's obvious you're going to say "your poetry is shit" if he'd indulge in your asinine request, retard

[Anonymous No.16533087]

>>16533040
Heard of Gluck not this dude but I have to say I feel this one is much better than any of her poems posted here so far.

[Anonymous No.16533089]

>>16533084
>see? I namedropped the guys you might mention so that counts as a preemptive refutation of your picks

[Anonymous No.16533090]

>>16533085
I hereby promise to not even reply to it. Now, guy, show us your prowess.

[Anonymous No.16533091]

wow a pretty woman won the prize! who did she blow to receive such honor?

[Anonymous No.16533093]

>it's another "you should appreciate random enjambment in poetry dude, my professor English lit said so even though I can't give a coherent argument in its defense" thread

[Anonymous No.16533104]

>>16532522
She is good, but I can't believe that from all contemporary poets they would give it to her.

It is not even justified from a political perspective, because Anne Carson is everything that Gluck is, but miles better (including being Canadian instead of American, considering Canada has been a longer time without winning the prize).
And, among all Americans, they gave it to Gluck before giving it to Pynchon and McCarthy. No one, not even Gluck's mother, will say that Gluck is better than Pynchon and McCarthy. Not even people who dislike Pynchon and McCarthy.

Geoffrey Hill, Bonnefoy, Paul Celan, Ungaretti, João Cabral, Cernuda, Herbert, Ashbery didn't win it.
Aridjis, Jaccottet, Simic, Ko Un, Adonis (!) will never win it.
Yet Louise Gluck won.
How can anyone take this prize even moderately seriously? What is the point? It is certainly not about making an unknown poet famous, as there are many others who are better yet have less recognition (specially among poets from other countries and languages, like Aridjis); nor is it about literary merit, otherwise Pynchon, McCarthy, Adonis or Carson would have come first.

So what is it even about anymore?
Is it just about surprising people in a thoroughly negative manner?

[Anonymous No.16533106]

the problem with the trash doggerels of this jew is neither the rhymes nor the short line, of course.
it's
1. the plebeian, utterly un-lyrical language choices
2. by contrast, le deep shit attitude, which is especially laughable in the hunter poem. imagine having a mystical crisis while going hunting rabbits, btw this mix of pettiness and pretension is typically feminine.

[Anonymous No.16533110]

>>16533091
She was pretty in 1977 so no one

[Anonymous No.16533113]

>>16533093
What would Byron or Shakespeare or Coleridge say if you show them modern ''''''''''''poetry''''''''''''''''''

[Anonymous No.16533117]

>>16533087
yea I agree

>>16533089
oh wow how could i have known.. im the next nostradamus

[Anonymous No.16533120]

dylan and gluck won over ashbery, what a clown world

[Anonymous No.16533123]

>>16533113
The Shakester would flame the Nobel on twitter with a salty four-liner

[Anonymous No.16533125]

Can't wait to see who they pick next year!

[Anonymous No.16533126]

>>16533104
>because Anne Carson is everything that Gluck is, but miles better
Such absolute fucking horseshit comment. They have 0 in common.

[Anonymous No.16533127]

>>16533117
I just don't see how this is better than if you had just written in it a prose format. again, what does the enjambment add?

[Anonymous No.16533131]

>>16533040
>>16533117
Why didn't he win, bros?

[Anonymous No.16533132]

>>16533104
>the academy can't simply have bad taste, there must be some cryptic reasoning
I've never understood this argument
>anymore
prudhomme fan?

[Anonymous No.16533143]

give me the tiger poem, now.

[Anonymous No.16533153]

>>16533143
nvm i found it

[Anonymous No.16533154]

>>16533143

[Anonymous No.16533163]

>the most important living African writer will never win
Defend this, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.16533170]

>>16533127
anon, the second enjambment is obvious, which influences the structure of the first

[Anonymous No.16533171]

>>16533163
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to pronounce "Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o". The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Kenyan history most of the jokes will go over a typical reader's head. There's also the author's fanonistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the narration—his cadence draws heavily on gicaandi singing, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these commentaries, to realize that they're not just politically poignant—they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Ngũgĩ truly ARE idiots—of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the sad humour in Matigari's existential catchphrase "I am looking for my children," which itself is a cryptic reference to Gakaara's Gikuyu epic Wa-Nduuta: Hingo ya Paawa. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o's genius unfolds itself on the page in front of them. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have an Expert in Modern Theft and Robbery tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only—and even then they have to demonstrate that they're at least 5 degrees of class privilege below myself (preferably even lower) beforehand.

[Anonymous No.16533175]

>>16533171
Kek

[Anonymous No.16533176]

>>16532590
This could be easily prose

[Anonymous No.16533177]

Checked a few of her poems just now and I can't understand anons' complaints. The poems I read don't seem to blatantly revolve around politics or agendas, and that's always welcome (especially when compared with hyper-political mediocrities like Tokarczuk). Now way Glück's not on the same level as my boy Herbert, but it's a decent choice that seems to follow the award for Alice Munro.
It should be repeated again, /lit/ would be better off finally understanding that without at least some appreciation of poetry they will always remain pseuds.
Curious to hear how Glück stands in comparison with Simic and Carso who were being mentioned alongside her.

[Anonymous No.16533180]

>>16533040
Reminds me of God owning that know-nothing Job. Very good.

[Anonymous No.16533190]

>>16533177
Simic is being posted itt:
>>16533040
>>16533117

[Anonymous No.16533200]

>>16533084
>Name 5 contemporary writers you think should have won
>inb4 Krasznahorkai
Adunis
Lobo Antunes
Michon
Kadare
Ko Un

Here you go. I don't think she's a terrible poet or anything, but simply not the best choice

[Anonymous No.16533213]

>>16533084
Adunis: greatest living poet in the Arab world, something of a cultural icon even.
Homero Aridjis: has been good for so long that even Luís Buñuel was a great admirer.
Ko Un (#metoo'd): greatest Korean poet for god knows how long.
Zagajewski: one of the greatest Polish poets.
Hans Magnus Enzensberger: famous German poet.
Anne Carson: probably the greatest female poet currently writing, certainly the most praised.
Charles Simic: probably the best American poet.
Philippe Jaccottet: one of the very few people to be added to the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade while still living.
Bei Dao: perhaps China's most famous living poet.

>>16533126
You don't understand.
It is not necessarily about the work, but about external aspects such as: occupation (both are poets); language (both are Anglophone); country (Carson is Canadian, which is better than being American given Dylan's 2016 win); influence (Carson is miles more influential, even in my country she has had books translated, while few people care about Gluck); quality (Carson is better); gender (both are female).

>>16533132
It would be bad taste if they gave it to a bad poet.
But they gave it to Gluck, a very good poet who nevertheless is not deserving of the prize, considering the competition. It makes no sense for her to win it before Adunis. I can't think of any argument except "she's a woman", but then there would be no sense in her winning before Anne Carson.

The Nobel was better sometime in the past. Though it started badly, it seemed it had changed. Between 1980-90, for instance, they gave it to: Milosz, Elias Canetti, Marquez, William Golding, Jaroslav Seifert, Claude Simon, Wole Basedinka, Joseph Brodsky, Naguib Mahfouz, Camilo José Cela, Octavio Paz.
Now it is back to normal, it seems.

[Anonymous No.16533217]

>>16533200
Michon is a middleweight at best wtf are you on about. Faut se calmer.

[Anonymous No.16533220]

>people are bringing up Byron as a counterexemple of good poetry itt

Eliot was right, you can camouflage tin ear and wonky prosody with rhyming and dilettantes wouldn't be any wiser.

[Anonymous No.16533221]

>>16533090
There the stream
With mossy stone
Turns the bank
Without a
Story
Field the change
That ends in cold conformity

I’m wet

[Anonymous No.16533228]

>>16532636
>She is very popular and well-regarded in contemporary literary circles
That absolutely means nothing when the people in these circles are retarded white women in comp lit departments whose personality trait is whining about white men but only exclusively reading white women

[Anonymous No.16533229]

>>16533213
>quality (Carson is better)
All true, except this, which is the only thing that matters. Carson fags are basically simps. Such a mechanical, college-oriented poet in the end - hard to be upset over her "artistic vision" being overlooked by the nobels.

[Anonymous No.16533231]

Snubbed again!

[Anonymous No.16533237]

>>16533220
>dilettantes
just stick to english if you can't manage other languages

[Anonymous No.16533238]

>>16533200
have you actually read them or did you just grab them from any generic nobel predictions list published in the last 5 years

[Anonymous No.16533244]

>>16533213
>It would be bad taste if they gave it to a bad poet.
replace bad with "bad enough to think Glück is better than Carson" then you fucking sperg

[Anonymous No.16533248]

>>16532989
Makes sense, considering they’re both overrated white female poets

[Anonymous No.16533254]

>>16533231
I guess you CAN pynch the Pynch.

[Anonymous No.16533257]

>>16533237
Oh no, I have offended a wop with anglicised pluralisation of a borrowed word, surely I will give as much shit about it as when a spic on /lit/ whines about Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.16533260]

>>16533200
>>16533213
I don't think she was the best choice either. I posted my list in the other thread >>16531111
and was the one who posted this >>16532562
It is just tiring to argue with people who don't even have an interest in contemporary literature complaining when she isn't a bad choice just not great - a tradition of the Nobel Prize.

>>16533177
>>16533190
>>16533180
Here is more Simic

[Anonymous No.16533261]

>>16533213
>Anne Carson: probably the greatest female poet currently writing
She can thank the fact Kiki Dimoula died earlier this year.

>Philippe Jaccottet
Pour... quoi, au juste ? Sa traduction de Musil ?

>Ko Un (#metoo'd)
lol really, wtf happened with my boy Ko there ?

[Anonymous No.16533264]

>>16533104
I'm glad it's poetry but I'm sad my boy Bonnefoy will never have it.

[Anonymous No.16533268]

>>16533264
Tiré de quel poème/recueil, cet extrait ?

[Anonymous No.16533273]

>>16533261
>lol really, wtf happened with my boy Ko there ?
He got accused of sexual harassment by several female poets in Korea.
>b-but they gave it to Handke too!
Handke's comments weren't even that controversial, they were overblown by butthurt Muslims and NATO fags who don't want to admit that Serbs suffered during the collapse of Yugoslavia.

[Anonymous No.16533276]

>>16532522
I don’t see why they would award her instead of Anne Carson or Marilynne Robinson

[Anonymous No.16533281]

>>16533257
no, problem is your smug ignorance and you needed to be put in your place. i just delivered.

[Anonymous No.16533285]

>>16533261
>Sa traduction de Musil
Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.16533291]

>>16533268
Ce qui fut sans lumière

[Anonymous No.16533298]

>>16533213
>Homero Aridjis: has been good for so long that even Luís Buñuel was a great admirer.
qué buena broma, si no se lo dieron a del paso entonces no se lo van a dar a ningún otro mejicano

[Anonymous No.16533303]

>>16533127
I always thought the point of the enjambment was to dictate the pace of the poem when reading out loud (or sub vocalizing) the separation of lines being time gaps and the shorter lines are meant to be a bit jarring where as the longer ones are meant to flow.

[Anonymous No.16533310]

>>16533298
lo ganará Enrigue.

[Anonymous No.16533316]

>>16533268
D'ailleurs si tu as des recommandations de poètes francophones contemporains je suis chaud. J'ai découvert Bonnefoy par hasard dans la bibliothèque de mes parents il y a quelques années mais je ne suis pas du tout l'actualité littéraire.

[Anonymous No.16533321]

>>16533260
Pretty good poem. At least Simic was probably on the list this year so he could win it in the next few years.

[Anonymous No.16533327]

>poems should rhyme and follow a strict meter

[Anonymous No.16533328]

>>16533276
annie is too avantgarde for those old farts, mrilynne is just another jesus feeler out of the mill

[Anonymous No.16533332]

>>16533217
What makes you say this?

[Anonymous No.16533336]

>>16533321
I have no doubt he was nominated

[Anonymous No.16533340]

>>16533316
Celui-ci devrait te plaire.

[Anonymous No.16533352]

ted kaczynski deserved it. you know it, i know it, he knows it, louise gluck knows it, everybody knows it, just the nobel committee is still butthurt for muh package bombs

[Anonymous No.16533358]

>>16533336
Apparently Simic had 16(!) books checked out from the Nobel Library, which indicates the Academy was strongly considering him. Gluck had 13 out.

[Anonymous No.16533369]

>>16533336
Whats this meme about the grass talking? I've also read it in GRR Martin and Bolaño.

[Anonymous No.16533374]

>>16533285
>Shut the fuck up
Demande d'abord à ton funambule de retirer son filet de sécurité. You're a midwit btw.

[Anonymous No.16533376]

>>16533213
I’m Arab but have never read anything by Adonis. Always assumed he was very romantic and sentimental with no substance to his work, a bit like Nazzar Qabbani. Now I’m intrigued though

[Anonymous No.16533381]

>>16533374
>t.seething pseud
topkek

[Anonymous No.16533382]

>>16533340
merci !

[Anonymous No.16533384]

>>16533376
He's no Darwich or anything, but Adonis is definitely not frivolous.

[Anonymous No.16533392]

>>16533340
>just discovered Noel
Now that is what I call entry-level taste

[Anonymous No.16533394]

>>16533381
Pick an actually challenging poet next time. Jaco is Rilke-lite since day 1.

[Anonymous No.16533396]

>>16533248
I was talking about themes not identity but sure lol. I think Mary Oliver’s poems are more meaningful, tender, original and thematically focused though to be fair. I appreciate her a lot more.

[Anonymous No.16533401]

>>16533332
he's like 1,50m and 50kg at best, not even joking

[Anonymous No.16533402]

>>16533229
>Such a mechanical, college-oriented poet in the end

As opposed to Gluck?
Outside of academia, no one has heard of Louise Gluck either. At least Anne Carson is quite well-known among poetry readers in a few different countries, not just Canada and America.

>>16533261
Jaccottet is a very fine poet. At least as good as Gluck, from what I've read of both.
Do you know some other superior French candidate? I am not very much in touch with contemporary French poetry, unfortunately (I am not French). I'd appreciate recommendations.

>Ko Un

Got accused of sexual harassment and cancelled. His poems were even removed from school textbooks, from what I hear.

[Anonymous No.16533405]

>>16533392
Waiting for you to share contemporary french poets.

[Anonymous No.16533409]

>>16533394
>the absolute state of this pseud's damage control
o I am lauffin

[Anonymous No.16533418]

>Thoughts on the new Nobel Laureate?
Garbage.

Look at how they did my boy Charles Simic dirty.

[Anonymous No.16533423]

>>16533402
>Outside of academia, no one has heard of Louise Gluck either
this probably influenced their decision, like Tokarczuk

[Anonymous No.16533424]

>poetry
wow it's another Bob Dylan

[Anonymous No.16533427]

>>16533409
ô ma rose, ma neige
mon immanence mineure
zzzz

>>16533402
>Do you know some other superior French candidate?
The most serious choice would be Quignard, but he's not a poet (ish), and that won't happen.

[Anonymous No.16533428]

>>16533384
Yeah, I don’t think any Arab poet could top Darwich.

[Anonymous No.16533431]

>>16532522
I read a collection of hers a couple years ago. It was ok I guess, just ok though. If someone was to find her poetry on the street without knowing it was an award winning poet they wouldn't think much of it

[Anonymous No.16533432]

>>16533427
>Quignard
LMAOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.16533435]

>>16533424
That's not true, anon, Dylan is the greatest American songwriter of all time, whereas this woman is definitely not the greatest American poet of all time.

[Anonymous No.16533438]

>>16533401
I had a sensible chuckle, thanks. I was asking because I read The Origin of the World a few years back and thought it was fantastic. I'm not the person who said that Michon should win a Nobel in the first place but if he's considered a middleweight I'd love to read the authors considered much better.

[Anonymous No.16533439]

>>16533428
>Yeah, I don’t think any Arab poet could top Darwich
That won't happen, we can agree on that.

>>16533432
Name names you fool.

[Anonymous No.16533448]

>>16533316
Pleynet

[Anonymous No.16533472]

Sneed's Read and Seed
Formerly Gluck's

[Anonymous No.16533481]

>>16533472
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.16533487]

>>16533432
Negative IQ post

[Anonymous No.16533505]

>>16533487
>t. buttblasted pseud

[Anonymous No.16533508]

>>16533505
What do you have against Quignard’s work ?

[Anonymous No.16533515]

>>16533435
>whereas this woman is definitely not the greatest American poet of all time.
because those died ages ago. nobel is for the living.

[Anonymous No.16533527]

Maybe it's cos I'm not really a poetry guy I don't really get why it had to be her. Can anyone fill me in? Was sorta expecting someone who wrote prose to win though.

[Anonymous No.16533534]

>>16532602
We live in a

[Anonymous No.16533537]

>>16533515
She's not the greatest living American poet either.

[Anonymous No.16533539]

>>16533508
>What do you have against Quignard’s work
Nothing. I think he is a fine poet. Just an entry-level poet for those exploring ways to expand their taste. Similar to Schwob insofar as when is tired of reading known poets and writers such as Breton, Desnos, Eulard, Revery, inter alia, they then do perfunctorily research on the internet only to find Quignard, Noel, Bonnefoy, Schowb, Crevel, etc. then develop a superiority complex

[Anonymous No.16533540]

>>16533527
it's easier to read short meme poetry. the old bags are in a rush.

[Anonymous No.16533542]

>>16533505
Shut up nigger

[Anonymous No.16533543]

translations were a mistake
i feel sad whenever i see someone taking midbrow writers seriously because they don't know any better

[Anonymous No.16533545]

>>16533448
Can you share some of his poems?
I think I saw Le Pontos in a library once

>>16533427
>ô ma rose, ma neige
>mon immanence mineure
What?

[Anonymous No.16533548]

>>16533418
as i lament, more Simic posting (1/2)

[Anonymous No.16533551]

>>16533376
I am not Arab, but reading Adonis in translation I was immediately caught by the richness of his imagery. It is not romantic or cliche at all. He's a very interesting poet. Or at least he does seem so to me, as a Westerner.

[Anonymous No.16533556]

>>16533548
2/2

[Anonymous No.16533561]

>>16533542
Cry more, bitch boy

[Anonymous No.16533562]

>>16532950
/thread

[Anonymous No.16533564]

>>16533537
alright, alright. who is it btw?

[Anonymous No.16533566]

>>16533564
Simic I guess.

[Anonymous No.16533588]

>>16532675
>tomatoes
>vines

You absolutely shout not be encouraged to grow 'tomato vines.' Tomatoes do not grow on vines. Jesus the absolute state of the ivory tower, not understanding the most basic language of gardening.

[Anonymous No.16533589]

>>16533321
Two Americans have won in the last five prizes.

We likely won't be seeing an American win for a long time. This was their final refusal to give it to the top four (Mccarthy/Pynchon/DeLillo/Roth).
Anne Carson can still do it, considering she's Canadian.

[Anonymous No.16533597]

>>16533564
HH/ ie,s obVrsxr;atjrn dugh seineopcv i iibalfmgmMw

[Anonymous No.16533606]

>>16533589
>We likely won't be seeing an American win for a long time.
that's what everyone said the last time an american won it

[Anonymous No.16533615]

>>16533548
>>16533566
Assuming this is true, similar thing happened with Herbert vs Szymborska. Herbert was the poet of the elite soul. Szymborska was a poet of the popular soul. Of course the straightforwardness of Szymborska prevailed.

[Anonymous No.16533629]

>>16533588
hey retard she is saying she failed at growing tomatoes

[Anonymous No.16533642]

>>16532590
In his sippy cup the gods abandon;
Teletubbies at war, frightened
Breaking, clicking of toys
Memories within my worn womb.

Playskool colors their own horizon
Formed delicate of all that is to be
Waiting for that bus, that first day
I am but alone, maddened employment.

Wine-dark elmo giggling
Support payments late again
But as he grows he will remember
Me and my Playskool, waiting.

[Anonymous No.16533647]

>>16533642
>Wine-dark elmo
Kek

[Anonymous No.16533648]

> I have to discipline myself/to share with John and Noah the tomato crop
> I must report/failure in my assignment, principally/regarding the tomato plants
>And some things/have the nerve to be getting started,/clusters of tomatoes
>I think I should not be encouraged to grow/tomatoes
> Tomatoes that will never ripen
> It’s autumn in the market/not wise anymore to buy tomatoes
> Instead of tomatoes, crops nobody really wants./Pumpkins, a lot of pumpkins.
> you cut up a chicken, throw a few tomatoes into the pan./ Garlic, if there’s garlic./ An hour later, you’re in paradise.
this wins you a nobel pize in 2020 AD

[Anonymous No.16533654]

Ban american writers.

[Anonymous No.16533658]

>>16533648
why don't you like the Vespers anon? I think they are pretty cozy

[Anonymous No.16533664]

>>16532667
Nice cope.
https://youtu.be/zUrqUWNcSOg

[Anonymous No.16533671]

>>16533658
Looks like any garbage writer with thesaurus that writes poems on deviantart
>me me me me

[Anonymous No.16533674]

>contemporary poetry
>American
>female
>Jew
cancer

[Anonymous No.16533676]

>>16532713
Cringe

[Anonymous No.16533684]

>>16533671
>>me me me me
thank wordsworth

[Anonymous No.16533697]

>>16533658
>More than you love me, very possibly/you love the beasts of the field
/thread

[Anonymous No.16533704]

>>16533220
Byron's rhyme especially in works like Don Juan is a ridiculous aspect of the poem and it's more of a masterpiece because of it: it's a parody. Everywhere Byron is a satirist and ironist, as much of poetic form as the world he presents; he isn't trying to be fucking Milton or even Spenser or Southey (all of whom he explicitly ironises.) Frankly whoever is put off by Byron's meter or rhyme is too retarded to even read Byron--yet for some reason these readers always present it as a badge of honor and superiority, fittingly proving themselves a Byronic fool. People like you, in 200 years, will be complaining that Bunuel's films are pisspoor imitations of Gone with the Wind.

[Anonymous No.16533718]

>>16533671
who are your favorite contemporary poets anon?

[Anonymous No.16533724]

>>16532713
> muh country of the lemons
you are 2 centuries late , retarded kikess.

[Anonymous No.16533729]

>>16533684
well they are called vespers

[Anonymous No.16533750]

>>16533718
>>16533729
am I supposed to enjoy this?

[Anonymous No.16533756]

The important thing to know about /lit is that most don't read anything challenging. They stick to well understood "classics" of their father's generation and cull the short list of contemporary works with a broad political agenda: gender, ethnicity, religions, and an adherence to a sheltered world view that matches their own.

Challenging contemporaries just aren't in the mix. So what could they possibly have to say about the Nobel?

[Anonymous No.16533760]

>>16533750
Definitely not her best poems. She’s a little too verbose and narrative still.

[Anonymous No.16533766]

>>16533756
How's her writing challenging?

[Anonymous No.16533769]

>>16533756
Contemporaries are merely that just to stand out of the crowd and feel special about themselves. They are inherently soulless.

[Anonymous No.16533770]

>>16533766
>implying that dude has actually read Glück

[Anonymous No.16533771]

>>16533766
It's not.

[Anonymous No.16533776]

>>16533642
lmao

[Anonymous No.16533788]

>>16533658
>>16533336
These two are very comfy

[Anonymous No.16533802]

>>16533756
We've read cummings, Joyce, Sterne, Cervantes, Mallarmé, Montale...
There is nothing challenging about Gluck.

She is a good author, but as I pointed out in this thread there are many better choices for a prize of the stature of the Nobel.

[Anonymous No.16533834]

It is not the moon, I tell you.
It is these flowers
lighting the yard.
I hate them.
I hate them as I hate sex,
the man’s mouth
sealing my mouth, the man’s
paralyzing body—
and the cry that always escapes,
the low, humiliating
premise of union—
In my mind tonight
I hear the question and pursuing answer
fused in one sound
that mounts and mounts and then
is split into the old selves,
the tired antagonisms. Do you see?
We were made fools of.
And the scent of mock orange
drifts through the window.
How can I rest?
How can I be content
when there is still
that odor in the world?

[Anonymous No.16533835]

>>16533750
she has written hundreds of poems - no you don't have to enjoy those 2 anon.

>>16533760
Do you have a favorite?

>>16533788
The second one is Simic, not Glück.

>>16533802
Essentially this. Disappointing win but it is probably a combination of wanting a lesser-known writer and preferring a woman. Carson is too popular and I think Mayröcker could have won if Handke wasn't chosen last year making it back to back German-language writers.

[Anonymous No.16533839]

>>16533802
most people here haven't read these authors though

[Anonymous No.16533849]

carson blows

[Anonymous No.16533855]

>>16533220
Eliot only hated Byron because he had a tiny cock. I'm not even joking, his whole rejection of romanticism is so obviously a way to cope with his inability to please anyone in the bedroom.

[Anonymous No.16533862]

>>16533839
insecure cope

[Anonymous No.16533863]

>>16532522
At least it’s not a Bob Dylan-tier choice. Plus it’s good to give some love to poetry.

[Anonymous No.16533881]

>>16533862
really no, I have no problem with Gluck winning the nobel prize nor with contemporary poetry but you're delusional if you think you're mostly talking with people who have read Mallarmé, I suspect that even Joyce who is a meme here isn't read by many people who browse this board

[Anonymous No.16533902]

>>16533835
>Mayröcker
to difficult for a nobel, same with ashbery

[Anonymous No.16533906]

>>16533328
cannot imagine how out of touch you have to be with contemporary poetry to consider anne carson "avant-garde," even solely comparing her to other female poets

[Anonymous No.16533907]

i had 10 bucks on mayrocker god DAMMIT

[Anonymous No.16533911]

>>16532522
my jewstincts never fail me

[Anonymous No.16533922]

i wonder if this was a way to stick it to the carson heads, like ishiguro was a way of telling murakami fans 'fuck off'

[Anonymous No.16533928]

>>16533922
>ishiguro
Should have been Stoppard. Ishiguro shall suffer like Pinter did for that.

[Anonymous No.16533944]

My mother wants to know
why, if I hate
family so much,
I went ahead and
had one. I don’t
answer my mother.
What I hated
was being a child,
having no choice about
what people I loved

[Anonymous No.16533976]

>>16533642
Nobel worthy

[Anonymous No.16533981]

>>16533944
what is this, early 00s pop punk

[Anonymous No.16534028]

>>16533642
KEK

[Anonymous No.16534063]

>>16533981
If you live in a city, it’s different: someone has to meet
the child at the bus stop. There’s a reason. A child all alone
can disappear, get lost, maybe forever.

[Anonymous No.16534086]

I don't understand poetry

[Anonymous No.16534092]

My sister and I reached
the same conclusion:
the best way
to love us was to not
spend time with us.

[Anonymous No.16534114]

>>16533902
Perhaps, I would guess she got shortlisted.

[Anonymous No.16534124]

>>16532522
Have never read a Gluck poem until today, doesn't matter. USA! USA!

[Anonymous No.16534129]

>>16534114
Yes, Mayrocker had the third most books checked out of the library (12), after Simic (16) and Gluck (13). That's a definite indication she was on the shortlist.

[Anonymous No.16534151]

>>16532522
I wanted Carson to win but I'm okay with this too. Happy seeing men seethe as well.

[Anonymous No.16534168]

>>16533298
>Del Paso
>>16533310
>Enrique

Oh my God, mexican men are midwits.

[Anonymous No.16534177]

>>16533704
Satire is for mid wits and pseuds

[Anonymous No.16534181]

My son’s very graceful; he has perfect balance.
He’s not competitive, like my sister’s daughter.

[Anonymous No.16534189]

>>16534129
Makes sense. I think she has a good chance to win in a few years, just not so soon after Handke. Out of curiosity, who else had significant numbers checked out?

[Anonymous No.16534190]

>>16534124
Winning once again, Trump wins another win, he couldn't even knew could win.

[Anonymous No.16534206]

>>16534189
>in a few years
anon...

[Anonymous No.16534207]

>>16532522
>Early life
Every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.16534213]

>>16532713
vermont has summer, she's just making shit up

[Anonymous No.16534214]

>>16534181
I looked up the poem this is from, and wow, this is really quite pedestrian. I had no exposure to Gluck before this thread, but I have to say I haven't been impressed so far.

>>16534207
The majority of winners have not been Jews.

>>16534189
Charles Simic - 16
Louise Gluck - 13
Friederike Mayrocker - 12
Annie Ernaux - 11
Jon Fosse - 9
Michel Houellebecq - 9
Botho Strauß - 9
Ann Carson - 7
Can Xue - 7
Homero Aridjis - 6
Yu Hua - 6
Peter Nadas - 6
Marie Norin - 6
Ingela Strandberg - 6
Xi Xi - 6
David Grossman - 4
Yan Lianke - 3
Javier Marias - 2
Hilary Mantel - 1
Marilynne Robinson - 1

[Anonymous No.16534217]

>>16533615
>Herbert
full name?

[Anonymous No.16534218]

>>16533704
Satire is for pseuds and mid wits anon

[Anonymous No.16534219]

>>16532522
>Gluck
Hmmm

[Anonymous No.16534221]

>>16534206
oh fuck i thought she was in her 80s

[Anonymous No.16534227]

>>16533704
Satire is for 200 iq+ only

[Anonymous No.16534230]

>>16534214
>Annie Ernaux - 11
L'influence de cette femme sur la fiction Française contemporaine... Impardonnable. L'estrapade, au plus vite.

[Anonymous No.16534233]

>>16533944
lmaooo this can't be real

[Anonymous No.16534257]

>>16534129
where do you find out who has there books checked out, and are being considered?

[Anonymous No.16534282]

>>16532522
What's the count per language now? Seems like English has dominated the past few years.

[Anonymous No.16534288]

>>16534214
Thanks you, mostly checks out with my thoughts
>Annie Ernaux
Had her as my pick to win.
>Jon Fosse
Higher than I would expect
>Houellebecq
Makes sense, had him shortlisted
>Botho Strauß
Had him shortlisted, same fate as Mayrocker
>Anne Carson
Thought she would win over Gluck for English-language poetry
>Can Xue
Will probably win in the near future
>Homero Aridjis
Higher than expected
>Yu Hua
Race against Can Xue
>Nadas
Makes sense
>Xi Xi
>Yan Lianke
Both unlikely when compared to the other 2 Chinese writers - but I said the same thing about Gluck vs. Carson and Simic

[Anonymous No.16534305]

>>16532522
I've come to the conclusion that it's irrational to be attracted to women outside of the utilitarian purpose of reproduction. That is, have sex with one if you specifically want to have a child, but anything beyond that is irrational because women are inferior beings. A man is more deserving of your actual romantic affection. A man can be loyal, honorable, courageous, noble; he can produce great works; he is someone with whom you can have genuine camaraderie and emotional sympathy. Women can do none of this, and their only advantage is their sexual appeal, the base appeal of their pussy to your reproductive instinct. Don't let yourself be controlled by this. Men should be homosexual outside of strict reproductive purposes.

[Anonymous No.16534312]

>>16532522
I'd like it if Louise went Gluck Gluck Gluck on my dick.

[Anonymous No.16534315]

>>16534257
This thread is where I got the list:
https://www.worldliteratureforum.com/forum/index.php?threads/nobel-prize-in-literature-2020-speculation.66249/page-77
I assume the Nobel Library has a website.

>>16534282
Wikipedia says 30 for English, then 14 each for German and French. I'm not sure how it counts someone like Tagore, who wrote in Bengali but also translated his own work into English.

>>16534305
I don't like Gluck, but that's no reason to dismiss the entire female sex.

[Anonymous No.16534320]

>>16534305
Quand je te vois passer, ô ma chère indolente,
Au chant des instruments qui se brise au plafond
Suspendant ton allure harmonieuse et lente,
Et promenant l'ennui de ton regard profond;
Quand je contemple, aux feux du gaz qui le colore,
Ton front pâle, embelli par un morbide attrait,
Où les torches du soir allument une aurore,
Et tes yeux attirants comme ceux d'un portrait,
Je me dis: Qu'elle est belle! et bizarrement fraîche!
Le souvenir massif, royale et lourde tour,
La couronne, et son coeur, meurtri comme une pêche,
Est mûr, comme son corps, pour le savant amour.
Es-tu le fruit d'automne aux saveurs souveraines?
Es-tu vase funèbre attendant quelques pleurs,
Parfum qui fait rêver aux oasis lointaines,
Oreiller caressant, ou corbeille de fleurs?
Je sais qu'il est des yeux, des plus mélancoliques,
Qui ne recèlent point de secrets précieux;
Beaux écrins sans joyaux, médaillons sans reliques,
Plus vides, plus profonds que vous-mêmes, ô Cieux!
Mais ne suffit-il pas que tu sois l'apparence,
Pour réjouir un coeur qui fuit la vérité?
Qu'importe ta bêtise ou ton indifférence?
Masque ou décor, salut! J'adore ta beauté.

[Anonymous No.16534323]

>>16534305
Have sex, incel

[Anonymous No.16534329]

>I've come to the conclusion that it's irrational to be attracted to women outside of the utilitarian purpose of reproduction. That is, have sex with one if you specifically want to have a child, but anything beyond that is irrational because women are inferior beings. A man is more deserving of your actual romantic affection. A man can be loyal, honorable, courageous, noble; he can produce great works; he is someone with whom you can have genuine camaraderie and emotional sympathy. Women can do none of this, and their only advantage is their sexual appeal, the base appeal of their pussy to your reproductive instinct. Don't let yourself be controlled by this. Men should be homosexual outside of strict reproductive purposes.

[Anonymous No.16534347]

>>16534320
At least it rhymes

[Anonymous No.16534363]

>>16534329
>I've come
to the conclusion that it's
irrational to be attracted to women outside of the utilitarian purpose of reproduction. That is,
have sex with one
if you
specifically
want to have a child, but anything
beyond
that is irrational
because women are inferior beings.

A man is more deserving of
your actual romantic affection. A man
can be loyal, honorable,
courageous, noble; he can
produce great works; he is
someone with whom you
can have genuine camaraderie and emotional
sympathy. Women can do none of this, and their only advantage is their sexual appeal, the base appeal of their pussy to your reproductive instinct.
Don't let yourself be controlled by this.

Men should be homosexual
outside of strict reproductive purposes.

[Anonymous No.16534431]

>>16534214
> I looked up the poem this is from, and wow, this is really quite pedestrian. I had no exposure to Gluck before this thread, but I have to say I haven't been impressed so far.

CHILDREN COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL
The year I started school, my sister couldn’t walk long distances.
Every day, my mother strapped her in the stroller; then,
they’d walk to the corner.
That way, when school was over, I could see them; I could see my mother,
first a blur, then a shape with arms.
I walked very slowly, to appear to need nothing.
That’s why my sister envied me—she didn’t know
you can lie with your face, your body.
She didn’t see we were both in false positions.
She wanted freedom. Whereas I continued, in pathetic ways,
to covet the stroller. Meaning
all my life.
And, in that sense, it was lost on me: all the waiting, all my mother’s
effort to restrain my sister, all the calling, the waving,
since, in that sense, I had no home any longer.

[Anonymous No.16534446]

I like her poetry ngl. People moaning poetry is just random words put in line are like physicists whining pure math is shitty wankery.

[Anonymous No.16534498]

so is she the true Nietzschean poet?

[Anonymous No.16534526]

>>16532713
such girlish nonsense
no wonder the Americans are fucked if their poets are mentally 13 year old sentimental girls

[Anonymous No.16534544]

>>16534498
In what sense is her work at all Nietzschean?

[Anonymous No.16534573]

>>16534526
this. her poems really look like a teenager's diary.

[Anonymous No.16534579]

>>16532791
there we go

[Anonymous No.16534585]

>>16534498
>>16534544
Unironically yes. I said in the main Nobel thread if it wasn't contemporary poetry and a woman, /lit/ would love it: fear and death + religious and mythological allusions told to express modern existentialism.

[Anonymous No.16534593]

>>16534446
i have a feeling you're no more qualified to discuss math than poetry

[Anonymous No.16534615]

>>16534585
Well, it's certainly better than her moaning about her mother, but I still don't see why I'm supposed to love it.

[Anonymous No.16534620]

>>16534585
Try Cecilia Meireles or Maria Gabriela Llansol lol. This is nothing.

[Anonymous No.16534634]

Another moist burger winner... Why can't burgers into real literature, yet still get credit?

[Anonymous No.16534635]

>>16534620
(or Erika Burkart)

[Anonymous No.16534692]

>>16532813
Pretty good, honestly

[Anonymous No.16534700]

>>16534620
How are they in translation? And as I've said many times, I don't even like Glück that much.

[Anonymous No.16534737]

>>16532713
Why does this deserve a Nobel? Is it ground breaking like gene editing?

What is it besides she is a Jew who didn’t get killed? She is writing gently? Jews after not getting killed writing gently is Nobel? So everyone expected them to go full Nazi after and a moms regular tenderness is Nobel?

[Anonymous No.16534752]

>>16532794
She seems to have one b/c Jew friendo

[Anonymous No.16534783]

>>16534217
Zbigniew Herbert

[Anonymous No.16534787]

>>16532850
This poem speaks to me of moving on from your family. But also it seems simple, like she line breaks where the camera would shift to a new scene in a movie.

[Anonymous No.16534798]

>>16532946
That would be a fine poem add commas for intensity and break lines where you want the audience to hold their breathe

[Anonymous No.16534805]

>>16532917
The white space is supposed to cool me off as I wait for the “black hot letters”? Lol poems. People love DRAMA

[Anonymous No.16534814]

>>16534737
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.16534816]

>>16533704
>i-it's shitty on purpose, I swear
That's fine and dandy For Don Juan, elsewhere it only shows that Byron cannot think and write seriously.

His command of grammar and language is that of a schoolboy.

[Anonymous No.16534831]

>>16534593
Poetry, much like pure math doesn't need validation or discussing, you can appreciate it just for what it is.
People who don't like poetry hate how it lacks clear definition, they require at least some patternous rhyme to it, so anything even slightly modern makes them angry, especially if that modern thing just received the highest validation literature can have.

[Anonymous No.16534841]

rate my poem /lit/, please (don't be too harsh tho, im quite fragile):

Don’t listen to me; my heart’s been broken.
I don’t see anything objectively.
I know myself; I’ve learned to hear like a psychiatrist.
When I speak passionately,
that’s when I’m least to be trusted.
It’s very sad, really: all my life, I’ve been praised
for my intelligence, my powers of language, of insight.
In the end, they’re wasted—
I never see myself,
standing on the front steps, holding my sister’s hand.
That’s why I can’t account
for the bruises on her arm, where the sleeve ends.
In my own mind, I’m invisible: that’s why I’m dangerous.
People like me, who seem selfless,
we’re the cripples, the liars;
we’re the ones who should be factored out
in the interest of truth.
When I’m quiet, that’s when the truth emerges.
A clear sky, the clouds like white fibers.
Underneath, a little gray house, the azaleas
red and bright pink.
If you want the truth, you have to close yourself
to the older daughter, block her out:
when a living thing is hurt like that,
in its deepest workings,
all function is altered.
That’s why I’m not to be trusted.
Because a wound to the heart
is also a wound to the mind.

[Anonymous No.16534855]

>>16534831
My dude, don't overthink it, she is just a mediocre poet. Well not mediocre per se, but clearly not worthy of the highest literary award there is.
It is especially frustrating because there is another female, non european poet who could have won the award and is clearly a better choice, so no wonder people are dissapointed.

[Anonymous No.16534860]

>>16534841
I think you could win the Nobel prize

[Anonymous No.16534871]

>>16534855
Carsonfags perpetually seething.

[Anonymous No.16534881]

>>16534871
leave her alone, please

[Anonymous No.16534882]

>>16534860
It makes me optimistic :)
We're pretty much on the same level, maybe I'll get a Nobel too someday :)

[Anonymous No.16534889]

>>16534816
He lived in an extrasensory period during which poetry could more easily send people into fits and starts and intense reveries or fantasies. His poetry is faithful to the performative canon of his craft. Blake was the only real modernist of the romantics with poetry whose lines startle us even today. Keats had some good ones but a lot of clunkers. Most of Wordsworth is clunkers. Byron's poetry remains a pure relic of popular poetry, his dramatic narrative poems remain vivid and Poe-like, his shorter works leap from his intense juggernaut mind with an incredible acuity.

[Anonymous No.16534894]

>>16534882

[Anonymous No.16534898]

>>16534871
Nah, this is just another Nobel flop who will be forgotten in no time, like Modiano or Transtromer.

[Anonymous No.16534903]

Chosing Glück made me visit /lit/ and discover Simic, which makes it a win in my book.

[Anonymous No.16534913]

>>16534860
t-thanks a-anon-kun
i though it to be just puberal reverie filled with unisteresting gossip and girlish aestheticization of f-f-f-fragility and mental sickness in order to appear a little more deep to my fellow schoolmates, but i guess im fine now
you know im bipolar, don't you?
>>16534882
t. seething gluck's fangirl

[Anonymous No.16534940]

>>16534903
glad you like Simic and that I could introduce people to him

[Anonymous No.16534998]

>>16532590
Why do women ironically write in lowercase?

[Anonymous No.16535027]

>>16532590
unironically like it, even if it is more prose then a poetry

[Anonymous No.16535038]

>>16534998
wHᴀt ᴀRe ʏou tᴀMkJɴG ᴀʙout?
>>16535027
>a poetry

[Anonymous No.16535050]

>>16535038
>wHᴀt ᴀRe ʏou tᴀMkJɴG ᴀʙout?
ah, the mysteries of 4chan unicode support

[Anonymous No.16535058]

>>16535038
>a poetry
What?

[Anonymous No.16535138]

louise gluck BTFO

[Anonymous No.16535259]

>>16534855
Canada cuck spotted

[Anonymous No.16535262]

>>16535138
paying any at all attention to the nobel makes you "at some level" a reactionary

[Anonymous No.16535274]

>>16535138
>I don't like it because it's not political
peanut brain

[Anonymous No.16535439]

>>16532677
Rec me books about gardening.

[Anonymous No.16535451]

>>16535439
Candide

[Anonymous No.16535466]

>>16534737
>So everyone expected them to go full Nazi
Israel sends regards

[Anonymous No.16535791]

>>16533113
>Byron:
A foul wind from the West

Shakespeare:
Ye stench dihonours thine noble portals alike to the pestilence from a great arsch.

Coleridge:
All things march unto their end
and here, the death of verse forfend.

[Anonymous No.16535861]

>>16532713
I like this one.

[Anonymous No.16535871]

>>16533435
>Dylan is the greatest American songwriter of all time
That's not true at all. America has too many great songwritters for him to be the best. He might be the greatest LYRICIST if something, then MAYBE we can agree.
(Still debatable).

[Anonymous No.16535887]

>>16533067
T.S Eliot's poetry had structure and the enjambment is never arbitrary, not even much of a fan of his but the him and this lady are hardly comparable

[Anonymous No.16535939]

Where it all went wrong, I don't know. I suppose there was no singular moment to lead me be what I am now, and to make me live this thing, I cannot dare to call life. Perhaps it was rigged all along. I never had the chance to be different. And now it is too late, after all I have in my mind, with all this burden, I cannot liberate my soul. God. Oh God, help my poor soul, if any of it left anyway. Tell me that there is still salvation. That I can still become human. I can still control myself. I can still exert my existence, and justify my agency unto the world, and unto me. Tell me that I am not forgotten, and perhaps will never be. Engulf me in your divine flames and purify me. Let me know myself, know thee, and my place in the grand scheme of things, in relation to thee. Be my strength and let me not dissolve into nothingness but cheerish in thee. It must not be too late. Mayhap I can still forget the face of the devil, and enter your house and my heart shall be still, and mind clear, and my hand strong, and my soul satisfied. Protect me against the tyranny of the world, bitter coldness of the machine, and temptation of ever hungry flesh. Let me live my days as human and let me die human. God, I seek refugee in thee. For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.

[Anonymous No.16535954]

>>16535939
sorry meant for this >>16513387

[Anonymous No.16536213]

>>16533049
>>Filtered