/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16524729]

What is necessary for an aristocratic, classical education?
I would like to know what I missed by being born into a poor, broken family in the 21st century, and whether I could attain such a thing of my own volition

so, /lit/, how do you turn a peasant into a Caesar?
books for this task?

[Anonymous No.16524799]

>>16524729
really like the painting.

[Anonymous No.16524828]

>>16524799
it's The Temptation of Sir Percival
someone shared it a while back and it became my favorite

[Anonymous No.16524834]

>>16524729
Studying the classical languages. With the internet, you are free to download grammar books, audio content and entry level readers. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.16524859]

>>16524729
It all starts with the study of Latin.

[Anonymous No.16524890]

>>16524729
>>16524799
what's with the creepy off size baby behind Perzival?

[Anonymous No.16524953]

>>16524890
I have heard some say it is a cherubim, and others say it is an image of satan

[Anonymous No.16524958]

>>16524729
An Ivy league. All the rich kids go to Harvard and vote D

[Anonymous No.16525158]

>>16524729
Fluency in French, German, Greek, ancient Greek, Latin and if possible, Russian. If you cannot read texts from these cultures then you'll never have access to what's in front of you, let alone what's since been hidden away.

[Anonymous No.16525165]

>>16525158
>Russian
>German

[Anonymous No.16525504]

>>16524729
Very beautiful except they could have given the woman a more beautiful face. The man is very handsome, however.

[Anonymous No.16525509]

>>16524729
It's not very hard anymore no matter where you're born, unless it's a third world nation with no libraries. Just look up a list of Western canonical literature and then start reading.

[Anonymous No.16525517]

>>16524958
Nobody respects Ivy League anymore. They let in David Hoggs (rejected by most colleges) but rejected Kyle Kashuv who was the valedictorian. It has a bunch of Chinese people now, so that tells you about how smart they are.

[Anonymous No.16525545]

>>16525158
Fake and gay
OP your first lesson is thatt most people are pseuds and will give you bad advice. The answer is already in your question, what did an aristocratic education look like? You start reading about that.
Or are you looking for nobility? Generally the aristocracy would look down on you where the nobility would not.

[Anonymous No.16525572]

>>16525165
>Talks about pseuds
>Disregards the working languages of aristocracy which informs how people conceive and think about things, lending to the quality of being aristocratic in the first place.
>Be noble, not aristocratic anon!!
>You

[Anonymous No.16525586]

>>16524729
First of all: Ignore the "learn x language" memes. They are worthless.

Second of all: Forget to ever become an aristoratic nature. It's not just decoration of the intelectual kind, but mostly genetics, nurture and connections which form your what you desire, something a pleb can't get. At best he can larp and dress preppy, which still looks pathetic.

But you can attain a classical education. I would recommend looking for classical currricula like the linked below and work your way through it. You will evolce your own fields of interest and bury further down the rabit hole.

Unironically start with the RSV bible and some non modernised commentary. Ideally also order a Pius X Cathechism to understand what the people before you believe. More likely than not all you know aout christianity is some variety of Kumbaja my Lord-crap. You might also want to dwell into the orthodox, being the equivalent to understanding the russian Geist.

After that, read all the non jewed classics which you can get your hands on. This will take a couple years. Personally the Edda rought me to read the pre-1910 arthurian cycles, which is also essential to having grown up different to what you did. ut whatever you do, be very- and I mean very- sceptical about works pulished during or le alone after WWII. They are basically egalitarian and anti-elite, looking for the smallest comon denominator.

Besides literatue, good manners and habits shoulnd't be ignored. This can be something as small as sending thank you letters or birth day cards, instead of a SMS. Or being able to eat with cutlery beyond the essential three. Whatever you do, do it so long, that it becomes your second nature or it will look like a pathetic larp. Be humble but also ure of your own abilities. If in doubt, don't say anything. Build a network of aquiantances and contact. You need to have as many usfull contact as possible, this will also make you grow s a person, learning to handle all kinds of people.

Least it will bring is to make you look less like white trash, whic is always desirable.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gzlSbYkNy4hZeCR-Cd-s3Sd51vsOoyAyKAt8xo5i11E/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.16525593]

>>16524834
Would you learn Latin or Greek first? Do you have any favorite resources for either?

[Anonymous No.16525637]

>>16524729
Do you want to become someone who could be mistaken for a noble or do you just want their education?
Either way start with The Book of the Courtier by Castiglione. It's short and easy to read.

[Anonymous No.16525662]

I mean what's holding you back OP. You have more books available right now at your fingertips than any of the mightiest monarchs ever had. You don't even know where to start? You don't know the name of one author to enter into google? If you wanna be spoonfed that much then you are probably not cut out for the task ahead

[Anonymous No.16525687]

>>16525572
Post your best essay and explain how it could only be written through an understanding of aancient language. We both know you won't do this.
Your understanding of aristocracy is of the degenerate form, this is clear in that you see something like language granting special rights and privileges, rather than truth itself. There is no magic secret revealed by learning a language alone, and the evidence is your ignoble response andd the expectation of a status you assigned yourself. That is the very hubris of the failed aristocracy, one which watches society crumble without caring how its own decadence contributed to the failed state.
In the 10 years it would take to reach fluency OP could read all of the major ancient works written by people who understand the language better thann he ever will. He should eventually learn the language but only tied to the greater education through works and life experience.

[Anonymous No.16525693]

>>16525586
>classical education
>bible
>that image
Enjoy hell anon

[Anonymous No.16525698]

>>16525158
>modern Greek
LOL

[Anonymous No.16525720]

>>16525693
We need a lingua memetica to filter monolingual (or ideally all) american trash. We are speaking about Catholicism, where art alway included the naked bodies of both sexes. Be puritanian somewher else.

[Anonymous No.16525734]

>>16525720
>catholicism
Into the garbage it goes.

[Anonymous No.16525752]

>>16525687
>Your understanding of aristocracy is of the degenerate form, this is clear in that you see something like language granting special rights and privileges, rather than truth itself.
No, it is rather you who have the cart in front of the horse.
>What is aristocracy?
>Hereditary persistent ruling classes
>Ruling
>How to rule?
>Conquest or successful politicking.
>Both require money
>Scalable trade requires import/export with other powers
>Requires understanding of contract law, semantic nuance
>Requires understanding of legislature and the forces that drive it in these countries
>Requires then knowledge of these languages, not merely to have and to hold and then become "elite".
>Now wealthy merchant.
>Back the right king or lord.
>Now you are lord.
>Marry offspring to foreign competitor family in the interests of further trade and co-operation.
>More nuance, marriage contracts, understanding of ethno-religious motivations, needs, wants and desires.
>Learn how to not cause grievance offences due to cultural differences across dozens of nations.
>Learn who is whose' parent, from what background, what their fiscal interests are and aspirations as a matter of course.
> CAN FUCKING CONVERSE WITH ANYONE AT COURT WITH MUH LANGUAGES.
>ARISTOCRATIC.
>Plebs ask how to become aristocratic?
>"Don't learn languages lol"
>inb4 every leader and proximal leader in Eurasia is a matter of mundane course bi-tri-poly lingual.
>Inb4 "Just read someone elses' translation of greek for you, you fucking unwashed pleb, that'll help".

Fucking retarded cunt kill yourself. If you need someone to substantiate to you how languages form developmental thinking and the neuro-cognitive adaptations that come from speaking several languages then you're so retarded as to not bother with.

>I'm Christian, I love my bible.
>But you can't read greek.
>So? I read the King James Version. It's good enough for meeeeee.

[Anonymous No.16525783]

>>16525734
Catholicism is the base of europe till ver recently, nobility being born through it. You are retarded if you skip it.

[Anonymous No.16525786]

>>16524799
Pretty fucking kitsch desu

[Anonymous No.16525793]

>>16525752
>neuro-cognitive
>classical education
>christian
Look at this d00d

[Anonymous No.16525805]

>>16525786
are you a jew

[Anonymous No.16525810]

>>16525783
>the world is 1500 years old

[Anonymous No.16525814]

>>16525752
What is this cringe?

[Anonymous No.16525816]

>>16525586
Good post

[Anonymous No.16525818]

>>16525805
No, I just have taste.

[Anonymous No.16525835]

>>16525814
An equal and opposite reaction to the cringe notion you can be a purist "Truth seeker" whilst championing the idea of being illiterate in all the world's languages barring the one you were born with.

[Anonymous No.16525839]

>>16525805
That painting is the equivalent of this. It's a bit better, granted. What I'm posting now is not only kitsch but pornographic also.

[Anonymous No.16525852]

>>16524729
Trivium: grammar, logic, rhetoric
Then quadrivium: arithmetic, geometry, music, astronomy.

[Anonymous No.16525871]

>>16525835
Who are you talking to?

[Anonymous No.16525883]

>>16524729
Aristocrats are raised by their environment, not by books. Aristocracy cannot happen in a vacuum. Power, wealth, family, and connections.

For example to observe noblesse oblige, you must have the opportunity to NOT observe it first.

Nobility is hereditary; to be gracious in the circumstances of your birth, and temperate in your desires when you can have anything, this is wielding power and wealth well.

To send your son's to war and your marry your daughters to foreigners to avoid war, this is using your family well.

Nobility cannot be experienced at this level by anyone in the modern world. We cannot ever truly understand what it would mean.

But OP, since this is /lit/ read the western cannon, lift, treat people as jesus would, never commit your word lightly, be loyal to everyone you invite to the party, and keep your bad habits under control.

[Anonymous No.16525888]

>>16525861
Godamnit anon. That painting is trash. It mimics baroque but completely misses the mark. See how the poses are faux elegant and are actually stiff. See how the female breasts are in the middle of the painting, see how the nipples are accentuated thus creating the pornographic element I was talking about. On the painting are bodies not people, we do not see their eyes they are just merely pornographic flesh.
Also the light accentuates the female only, breasts the most again by them also being in the middle.
And let's not start with the background or the lack of it. It is just a prop for the bodies on display.

Disgusting painting really. Good technique no doubt, wasted.

[Anonymous No.16525898]

>>16525839
I like this painting, it makes me wanna get fitter.
Why is she wearing a crown of thorns?

[Anonymous No.16525959]

>>16525839
>>16525818
>defending "kitsch"
Yes, you are a Jew. You're defending a meme made by Jews to create a special class for themselves wherein they could turn art into a good to be consumed. Your entire view of art is foul, sinful, and disgusting. You think art and beauty and goodness are commodities that can be bought and sold. You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.16525967]

>>16525959
What? Or are you meaning that by my use of kitsch and defining something as kitsch I am defending it?
>You think art and beauty and goodness are commodities that can be bought and sold.
I don't.

[Anonymous No.16525994]

>>16525888
If you are adressing "Bonheur des parents" you are an absolut brainlet, considering the nurturing and welcoming new life as pornographic. The background is contrasting the divine with the wordly, showing those poor young parents forget all their suffering when watching their child. The nipples are nowhere accentuated, what are you talking about?

Go be an anti-natalist kikel somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.16526000]

>>16525994
I was addressing the painting that I posted. What? Where do you see Bonheur des parents posted?

[Anonymous No.16526025]

>>16526000
You replied to a deleted post and mine with Bonheur des parents was deleted.

[Anonymous No.16526040]

>>16525888
I actually see your point now. Nothing stands out in the painting at all except the female body, even the differences in skintone between the two people only serve to put the focus on her body and minimize everything else going on.

[Anonymous No.16526048]

>>16525959
Just calling someone “kitsch” makes him a Jew and a defender of jews? Lmao

[Anonymous No.16526060]

>>16526025
I replied to a post saying that he liked the painting that I posted. How the hell is Bonheur des parents mimicking baroque, and how is it in any way pornographic, come on anon think a little, there was no way my reply was intended for Bonheur des parents.
>>16526040
Yes exactly, it is completely soulless.

The OP painting isn't as bad, I can't spend the time right now explaining to myself why do I think it's bad or kitsch but I saved it and will try some time later.

[Anonymous No.16526070]

>>16525994
>>16525959
I’ve never seen anyone so combative and with such bad reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.16526073]

>>16526060
That's why my first words where "If". And I shouldn't need to tell you that on here we have to except the worst and forsake all hope.

[Anonymous No.16526093]

>>16525852
This, although there probably would be less quadrivium and more; plotting against your father, dueling, and foot fetishism.
>>16524729
>how do you turn a peasant into a Caesar?
This is different, because being a leader is hard to teach. It would be important for a leader to know military science and the history of his predecessors. While an aristocrat would only know his history through sociability.
I've often argued that once, hopefully when, democracy ends, that a small group of people should be removed from society and devote their lives to contemplating the worlds problems and defending civilization against dark ages. Or we could just have laid back monarchies again, that'd be comfy.

[Anonymous No.16526151]

>>16525852
Wrong.
You'll get more out of the poetry and myths than any Enlightenment/Medieval shit.
>>16524729
OP, start with Plato. Read The Trial and Death of Socrates and The Republic. Read Hesiod and Homer. Then combine some of the great works and what interests you while keeping in mind the goal of returning to Plato to finish his more difficult works. Then work on understanding their poetry and myths.
This is the best introduction you can get on your own. Ideally you would find a master/mentor to guide you in your readings and adventures in life. Otherwise it is mostly up to fate and the will, which can easily lead you astray.

[Anonymous No.16526175]

>>16525818
Based

[Anonymous No.16526234]

>>16525586
>>16525752
>>16525883
>>16526093
Great posts.
>Nobility cannot be experienced at this level by anyone in the modern world. We cannot ever truly understand what it would mean.
Pretty much. Nobility is dead OP, the social contract that used to be is now void. You could only hope to find some remnants here and there.

[Anonymous No.16526266]

>>16524834
Learning the "classics" turns you into a pompous cunt. Allegory of the cave my ass, they could have just turned their head.

[Anonymous No.16526274]

>>16526234
>social contract
Oh nononono

[Anonymous No.16526346]

>>16525883
mostly correct, except for
>Nobility cannot be experienced at this level by anyone in the modern world. We cannot ever truly understand what it would mean.
Of course nobody marries their daughter to some noble of a rival fiefdom anymore. It's unnecessary. The martial aspects of aristocracy, in general, have been rendered useless by the centralized state and standing professional armies. Nobody rides horses into battle anymore, so the equestrian class lost its reason to exist. Piloting a combat chopper or a fighter jet may be comparable to that, but again, professional armies mean anyone can learn to do it. Few of the traits related to the aristocracy are necessary for today's martial activities.
It is, however, possible to be born and raised into an aristocratic household still. This isn't something one can acquire.

[Anonymous No.16526414]

>>16525687
>>16526151
Based

[Anonymous No.16526418]

>>16524729
Studying the history, philosophy, and languages of Rome and Greece are key. A lot of what we deem a "classical" education is rooted in the approach developed towards classics in the Middle Ages and beyond, where we rooted ourselves in the classics because they were more advanced than ourselves, a framework from which we could derive much wisdom. I bring this up, because it entails that a classical education is more than just speaking Latin and knowing Aristotle's opinions on Forms. It's about developing one's mind.

[Anonymous No.16526424]

>>16525752
>these are the idiots giving advice on lit
lmao what a faggot.

[Anonymous No.16527708]

>>16524953
My reading is that it's intentionally unclear whether it's satan or a cherub, sort of meant to reflect Sir Percival's inner turmoil in that way. on the other hand, the fact that the woman (devil) is on his right shoulder and that figure is on his left might imply that it is, in fact, a cherub.

[Anonymous No.16527726]

>>16525839
modern man's view of sex is so corrupted that cannot separate any expression of it from notions of indulgence and vice. the painting is good, once you free yourself from the degeneracy of modernity you'll see that.

[Anonymous No.16527778]

>>16527726
Not him but it's not. It has no Götterfunken, nothing which makes you ponder. It's just two anonymous fleshbags.

Manwhile nudity can be non sexual, even during an act of desire.

[Anonymous No.16527902]

>>16525898
Woman is God.

[Anonymous No.16527952]

>>16524729
Learning Latin and Greek and reading books in those languages is probably a good start. Of course you'll be missing out on a lot of the values and mentalities that only come from living and growing up in an aristocratic household.

[Anonymous No.16527970]

>>16524729
>What is necessary for an aristocratic, classical education?
Access to knowledge, private educators, psychotherapist, free time

[Anonymous No.16527971]

>>16527952
Why are you spreading this meme? He can't just learn a language without using it verbally with natives. Otherwise he will get a better understanding from google translate. You people, recommending learning a dead or useless language, need to neck yourselves.

[Anonymous No.16528008]

>>16524729
>how do you turn a peasant into a Caesar?
Give him an army

[Anonymous No.16528024]

>>16527971
This. Is someone samefagging or is lit too memed to think?

[Anonymous No.16528057]

>>16525786
>what kitsch technically is
A commodity made to seem artful while not actually being art, or something that uses tired clichés and unsubstantiated sentimentalism to seem artful, usually a combination of both
>what kitsch is in practice
The word for goy art that Jews feel alienated from

[Anonymous No.16528083]

Ignore every post in this thread OP. Your primary goal should be financial independence, and the easiest way to do this is to invent some computer program that marginally decreases costs for a lot of companies. Once you've done this and sold it, you can focus your time and effort into loftier hobbies, but never forget that in the original constitution of Athens aristocracy was merely a financial category.
Video related:
https://youtu.be/A2pElOrjYbE
You should also consider warfare as an honourable vocation, since in every epoch of history it is Mars who has inseminated the Motherland which brought forth a new generation of aristocrats. If you serve in the military, you are provided a pipeline to making contacts in government and industry, traveling, learning useful trades, developing a band of brothers who will help you, and proving your bravery and strength as well as service to the Kingdom (or Nation, although this is a modern construct and deeply opposed to the principles of aristocracy).
Finally, cut processed sugar and pornography out of your diet.

[Anonymous No.16528112]

>>16528057
Admittedly I'm not particularly fond of OP's painting myself but I felt obligated to clear up the confusion.

[Anonymous No.16528117]

>>16527778
Believe me, there's nothing I hate more than artists that just throw explicit sex in their work and pretend its meaningful. however, I don't think that this particular work is a case of that. I think there's something admirable in how well it captures this tender moment in time. the technical elements of the work are top-notch. it's also pretty clear to me that the female figure is heavily laden with symbolism. I imagine that I'd find more meaning in the work if I spent more time with it

[Anonymous No.16528193]

>>16528117
It's sentiment is that god is female (trash opinion dischared) and the craftmanship also isn't top-notch, it's very basic. Last but not least, it's an aquard pose, which doesn't capture the physical beauty, nor does it shine in divine meaning. It's basically someone who is able to passingly paint, trying to be deep (muh crown of thornes with titts), despite lacking the spiritual component. It's something which would be okay if done in academic art class as a technique teaching method.

You need to dwell into actual art, to understand the difference.

[Anonymous No.16528225]

>>16528193
while I disagree, I'm also open to learning because I'm far from an expert on art. where would I start with studying painting? any particular books?

[Anonymous No.16528234]

>>16528193
>It's sentiment is that god is female (trash opinion dischared)
If you say so, midwit.

[Anonymous No.16528250]

>>16528225
also, I should clarify that I don't read the crown of thorns as 'god is a woman'. I interpreted it as representing the salvific quality of a woman's love. in the painting, we see the male figure literally supporting his woman, and yet we also see that the woman is a source of strength for him. you can see that he wants to protect the purity, innocence, and frailty he sees in his partner because he lacks those things in himself. obviously, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but that's the impression I get

[rapture1 No.16528283]

>>16524729
I’m an “aristocrat” by financial and social standards.
I don’t know, something about your tone, your post—there is a rare glimmer there. I want to pour what I know into you; I want to share what I have with you.
I can help you acquire wealth and power with ease, but this is not the essence of the aristocratic education, which is twofold: 1. How actually to lead a “good life”; and 2. How to treat expensive things with a distance. Aristocracy is in large part a cultivated attitude, a regime of caring and not caring, a very special matrix of attention toward things in the world. Much of its essential material qualities viz. its own education are reducible simply to: free time, luxury, pursuit of things “in and for themselves.”

Let me know if you ever want a real window into an “aristocratic” education, OP. I like you and want to help.

[Anonymous No.16528579]

>>16524729
>old aristocrats
Literally just Google to find classic books. They're nothing special and aristocrats were aristocrats by birth, not by merit.
>new aristocrat
This is more interesting. Do you want the same actual power that they had? In the modern day this means to just become rich. So start a silicon valley software company or some shit. Get a CS degree. Be on the cutting edge of technology. LARPers (like the guy talking about learning French and marrying off your children to competition for favors LMFAO) will get mad but this is the truth. The old aristocracy was just being born into it. Any old families are just like normal rich people. A lot of them are super progressive and their daughters marry black men (see: jeremy meeks wife and the rothschild who was dating a rapper). Ignore the LARPers, although this topic itself seems inspired by LARPing.

[Anonymous No.16528826]

>>16525586
The common theme does seem to be the development of good character, which allows a person to act in a similarly good way, and oppose the vulgar proclivities inherent to human being.

The foundation of such a character, though speaking loftily about things like "the pursuit of truth" has become the trite espousal of unexceptional academics, requires a firm foundation, which must ultimately be based on truth, or at least "towards" that which is true.

I have gravitated to Catholicism as a pillar from which to derive this stability.

>>16528283
I am certainly interested and will not spurn offered help.

[Anonymous No.16528845]

>>16524729
I'm not gonna give you a meme answer. If you want the understanding of Christian civilization, read Plato, Aristotle, the Bible and an introduction to the philosophy of natural law and teleology, a primer on Aquinas would do fine. It will also help you understand the originally heroic impulse of early liberalism that failed due to losing its understanding of human teleology. Once you understand the basis of our civilization, read MacIntyre's After Virtue to understand where it all went wrong.

[rapture1 No.16528857]

>>16528826
What is your hope with all this? If it is power—power for power’s sake, or power to some other end?
Where do you see yourself by the end?

[Anonymous No.16528871]

>>16524958
Ivy League schools are about networking more than the quality of education.

[Anonymous No.16528939]

>>16528283
cringe

[Anonymous No.16529024]

>>16528857
I desire to elevate myself beyond my meager upbringing.
To exist as something beyond a slave.
To drink water free of poison.

I see myself with the freedom to pursue beauty, and to share my strength with those who need it.

[Anonymous No.16529108]

>>16525517
This
>>16528871
And this

[Anonymous No.16529148]

>>16524729
Read the following books
>Iliad
>Odyssey
>Ovid, Metamorphoses
>Virgil, Aeneid
>Hesiod
>The Bible
Congrats your education is complete.

[Anonymous No.16529203]

>>16527971
As if you can't talk to any person in any language with the net these days.
Dumb dumb

[Anonymous No.16530441]

>>16524729

You only have to work through Plato's Republic and Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics. I say "work through" and not "read" because although reading is the superficial pastime of /lit it doesn't do the trick. If you work through those two books everything else fits.

[Anonymous No.16530471]

>>16524729
Cicero and Ovid were crucial for classical education
>>16524859
This is good advice - start with Wheelock's latin
reading Cicero, Ovid and Augustine in Latin are good ideas
>>16525852
This is the right answer however
Read the Greeks & Romans, read the Medievals, do the Quadrivium, learn Latin

[Anonymous No.16531138]

>>16529203
You can't. On the internet people communicate in english, especially on sites where you can ue actual native slang without getting banned. To understanding actual subtext, you need to understand th culture and it's people, whichc you can't by just texting on a normie plattform. You need to life with the people and learn when and why they se certain phrases or humour. A smily wont due.

t. learned 5 languages, the only once which still are accesible and usefull beyond reading street signs are those which I actually vernacularly use. I also nearly forgotten my own native language, lacking nearly all sutext, because I haven't spoken with anyody for over 30 years in it - despite reading it regularly.

[Anonymous No.16531184]

>>16524828
>Temptation of Sir Percival
neat, thanks. It combines the noble and statuesque qualities of more classical paintings, but also has that more focused narrative and stylistic flares of newer ones while still not loosing that statuesque nobility that some similar more modern art does in their renditions.

>>16525786
i guess i can understand that, but i think it stradels the line rather well compared to others like it.

[Anonymous No.16531201]

>>16525786
I can understand that. My taste in painting has admittedly wained since my class in it and talking and apreciating art in general. Do you have a specific painting of an armoured man that you particularly like? ignore baiters. I think its such an evocative topic in itself.

[Anonymous No.16531632]

>>16531201
Here

[Anonymous No.16531675]

Major in STEM.
Humanities is for women and faggots.

[Anonymous No.16531761]

>>16531201

[Anonymous No.16531786]

>>16528283
So you're a NEET?

[Anonymous No.16532220]

Not in armour but still martial.

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[Anonymous No.16532282]

>>16524729
These days, that's majoring in humanities and becoming a progressive

[Anonymous No.16532326]

>geopolitics, ethnic geography and memorization of elite players names, achievements and habits
>exposure to high stake social games
>acquire collection of superficial but high status accolades (ivy league doctorates, west point, MD, NGO exec, etc., but always put in the bare minimum and make money do the work when possible)
>continually use elite status to extract great amounts of wealth while simultanously converting wealth into status
>fall in line and strengthen whatever dominant ideology
>learn to use violence in a measured manner to further personal goals (archaic for everybody except the ultra elites)

aristocratic class =/= priestly class

arostocrats have always had to play petty social and financial games

[Anonymous No.16532355]

>>16532282
This better be a joke.

[Anonymous No.16532365]

>>16525586
>Least it will bring is to make you look less like white trash, whic is always desirable.
isn't all this just a howto on becoming a confederate?

[Anonymous No.16532368]

>>16526234
nobility has always been dead, the point is you act on it in spite of that.

[Anonymous No.16532380]

>>16532365
Confederate? You mean like murican confederate? I wouldn't know, but if taken into extremes they were the conservative nation which fought against the degenerate liberal north, which checks out when we consider aristoractic natures to be traditionalist conerving their way of life and plebs the revolutionary masses (see french revolution in libido dominandi).

[Anonymous No.16532412]

I come from a pretty wealthy family, not aristocrat levels but worth somewhere between 50 and 100 million. Went to a really good school.
Latin is quite easy to learn, the vocab is probably easier than most other languages and the grammar isn't hard once you grasp it. But I didn't really retain any of it. Never took Greek.
But really, Latin is a fucking meme now. It's mostly still taught at prestigious schools as a marketing gimmick. The classics departments are set apart from the English and Language departments, which isn't how it would have been in the old days. They'd all be linked together so you could study old-ass literature.
Now, language departments are primarily for practical stuff, because the expectation is that they'll aid the students for their future careers in international business. English departments are how they are everywhere because that's the only kind of teacher the universities produce.
Very very few places are going to teach you to read Homer in the original greek these days.

One thing most of you probably don't realise is that most of the aristocratic class are brainlets. I'm talking people from wealthier and older families than mine, actual Lords and Ladies. A lot of are good at business, but that's not particularly intellectually taxing. At that level, you can basically just buy the necessary experts, you just need judgement that isn't retarded. Plus connections. But these people will seem smarter than they are, just because there are more intellectual or classical references in their milieu. They have average intelligence, and they don't really have to try the same way as others do. The smartest kid I knew at that school was dirt poor, he got there by his raw intelligence. But he never went on to do anything, he didn't have the connections of the private tutors or whatever. Problems in his life were obstacles that got bigger as he got older, idk if he even went to university in the end.

[Anonymous No.16532421]

>>16532412
prole cope lmao

[Anonymous No.16532424]

>>16526234
This.
The best you can do now is join the military and read a lot of Vidal, Tocqueville, Kissinger, di Lampedusa, Calasso and the like. Backwards looking aristocrats and court philosophers.
The aristocracy doesn’t exist, at least not in an important sense, and what does exist you’ll never be a part of.
Modern man has to rise to the challenge of modern times. Ride the Tiger OP you can do it.

[Anonymous No.16532444]

>>16532412
Wtf that kid is me??!!

[Anonymous No.16532453]

Looking at all the chivalrous paintings posted ITT i cant help but ponder the plight of modern woman.
The women represented here, though most likely just as hysterical as their modern equivalents, were nonetheless chaste, demure and courteous, or nonetheless were under intense pressure to conform to those ideals. And to what lengths did knights and other admirers go to to prove their love and devotion! I am reminded of a particular story where in the 14th century a group of knights made a pledge to a group of noble ladies that they would hold one eye closed until they satisfied themselves in battle with the enemy of their Duke. With eyepatches affixed under their helms, they duly charged the enemy and were duly cut down due, in large part, to their foolish vow which crippled them on the battlefield.
No doubt these noble ladies were, at the time of promise, enthralled and overjoyed; and, at hearing of their suitors deaths, deeply affected. But the legend survived and reaches our eyes today.

How far we have drifted from that golden age of higher ideals. Yes, one may argue that the majority lived in misery, but that does not detract from the fact that higher ideals were aspired to. What have we today but the corruption of all that is worthy and pure?
To me, that is the epitome of aristocracy: the love for all that is sacred, all that is pure and unsullied by the corrupting influence of materialism and hedonism. It is the yearning of something beyond the self, something greater and yet not bewildered as an abstract, unknowable entity, but revered as a vivid, tantalizing state of transcendence.

[Anonymous No.16532457]

>>16532254
this one is in my hometown

[Anonymous No.16532458]

>>16532412
As that anon, said, what you want to be succesfull in life are connections. No matter how well read or intelligent you are, if you don't have what we call "Vitamin B", that's your social capital, you will never make it. Once you know people, you can always just ask for a favour to get somewhere where you, by mere merits, shouldn't get to.

Instead of reading in their basements, richfags and aristocrats socialize. The time to learn latin or homer is in your teenage years, before you start to collect contacts seriously.

[Anonymous No.16532469]

>>16532453
>muh modern womanz
Can you not make every thread about your inability to find a modest and serious woman?

[Anonymous No.16532480]

>>16532380
the english aristocracy were very tolerant. were all members of the whig party, it was the minor gentry & bourgeoisie who became tory politicians.

[Anonymous No.16532484]

>>16532412
loool

[Anonymous No.16532494]

>>16532453
I wish I could spend my life raping peasant girls and cuckholding kings to be remembered forever as a folk hero because of a witty flirtation I’d made to the wife of some Lord before dying in battle.
Not even being ironic. The shit we have now is soul crushing for modern man. It would be far more sexually satisfying for the ladies too.

[Anonymous No.16532584]

Latin is a technical and divinely uninspired language, suitable for coping plebs and degenerate technocrats solely. The language of the Gospels and Philosophy is Greek, the spirit of Europa is inscribed in Greek

[Anonymous No.16532605]

>>16532584
Latin is the european language through the church, which through this unified it to an actual europe. Greek never had any relevancy outside of the meditarenean. If you want a language for technocrat and degenerates, its english, the language of the globo homo world.

[Anonymous No.16532619]

>>16532480
>he english aristocracy were very tolerant.
IDK about old old shit, but in the last couple of 100 years, sure. I guess they were embroiled in Christian sectarianism and shit earlier than that.
But at the highest levels, UK schools are more diverse than Americans might think. Rich people from around the world send their kids to UK private schools to be educated. It's more common to see that recently, but even in the Victorian era, middle eastern kings would send their children to Eton to get molested.
Aristocrats would have been more like modern American democrats. Sort of unwilling to lower themselves to political rhetoric, uninterested in stoaking tensions to drive public opinion. Taking their legitimacy for granted. They would travel far more than anyone else, and going to India meant a giant royal reception with elephants and the finest oriental luxury. Not designated shitting streets.

>>16532584
>spirit of Europa
>the bible
There's a difference between ancient greek and degenerate koine

[rapture1 No.16532812]

>>16529024
Shoot me an email sometime, would like to talk more: [e-mail]

[Anonymous No.16532848]

>>16532812
Rapture, you're just a richfag, not by any means aristocratic. And y the way, buy some fucking proper bookshleves, for gods sake.

[Anonymous No.16532949]

Didn't open the thread since yesterday.
>>16528057
Yes admittedly I used the term pretty freely as it definitely isn't a commodity made to seem artful but it does rely on unsubstantiated sentimentalism I think.
>>16531201
Rubens has great armoured figures. Although it is a completely different genre his being portraits of historical figures.
>>16527726
No that's not it. There are many paintings which are not pornographic and feature naked women. The difference is how the artists approaches that subject and depicts it. His intent really.

I would call all the paintings with knights here a bitch kitschy and overly sentimental. But I really dislike the pre-Raphaelite brotherhood so there's that.

[rapture1 No.16533532]

>>16532848
I usually don’t respond to just blind ignorance but I’m genuinely curious: what makes you think that you are correct about anything you wrote? What insight do you have into my life that i myself am missing? Are you trying to sound “cool” or “savvy” or somehow “in on it,” like you know me or something? What’s the idea behind it?

[Anonymous No.16533582]

>>16533532
Don't you ever surmise what has fallen out of my pocket

[Anonymous No.16533619]

>>16533532
First of all: stop being pretentious, Jesus Christ, you act like you're some kind of Übermensch saving the savages in this thread. meanwhile you're a beast which stacks his books.
>something about your tone, your post—there is a rare glimmer there
>if you ever want a real window into an “aristocratic” education
Even if you would be Michael A. Woodley of Memes, this would be cringe.


And now to the topic. You mongoloid have said it yourself. Lemmy quote:
>I’m an “aristocrat” by financial and social standards.
Basically you're a richfag and think, that's equal to beinig aristocratic. In reality you're a newly rich bourgeois on your good days.

[rapture1 No.16533637]

>>16533619
What? Are you saying that my attitude means that I cannot possibly be an “aristocrat”? Or are you making some comment on the actual history of my family?
If it’s the former—you take 4chan posts as indicative of aristocratic or non-aristocratic status?
If it’s the latter—what is the basis of any of your information?

[Anonymous No.16533659]

>>16533637
Now, now, rapture, you're making a joke out of yourself. I don't need parapsychological or freudian skills to judge you as a non-aristocrat. In case it wasn't obvious enought, you used that word in quotation marks yourself, clearly knowing that you couldn't call yourself an aristocrat per se.

What's next, asking me for a study which proves my point? Go order some never to be read softcovers for your ink dungeon.

[Anonymous No.16533670]

>>16533637
Let me add, that I know that you like to see you above the ples, that's fine and all. ut don't allow those delusions to grow above yourself. You're still just another mass man with a coomsumer fetish.

[rapture1 No.16533691]

>>16533670
Now, now, anon, let’s not forget the reality: I don’t see myself above the “ples” [sic], just above you.

Thought you might have something interesting to say. Sadly, disappointed again. So long, friendo!

[Anonymous No.16533726]

>>16533691
>I don’t see myself above the “ples” [sic]
Have you really just taken the time to make a point about a typo? On a taiwanesse pizza spelunking forum? Oh rapture, how have the mighty fallen.

And don't make me go into the archive and look for the last two threads where you clearly argued that you are above the filth on here and that you see yourself as patrician.

So, now that we have established reality, I hope you can accept it, to curb your delusions of grandeur at least a little.

[Anonymous No.16533753]

>>16533726
you’re honestly coming off as a little bitch with nothing to say
way to derail the thread you stupid fag

[Anonymous No.16533780]

>>16525586
okay racist white incel

[Anonymous No.16533789]

>>16533753
Unlike yourself, certainly not-rapture, we're strictly on topic.

[Anonymous No.16533885]

>>16533691
have a word with yourself. you've got no charm or charisma & going on like this online doesn't reflect well on your character

[Anonymous No.16535041]

Bümpärinö

[Anonymous No.16536369]

>>16532812
sent

[Anonymous No.16538031]

>>16524729
>What is necessary for an aristocratic, classical education?
A functional culture.

[Lon𝖊 Int𝖊ll𝖊ctu𝖆l !xVZee/J6YQ No.16538060]

>>16524729
>how do you turn a peasant into a Caesar
You can't. A Caesar, like a peasant, is born. You will never be an aristocrat.

For classical educations though the entirety of the Western canon obviously but what's more important than reading them is being a member of a like-minded group in which you can discuss what you read.

[Lon𝖊 Int𝖊ll𝖊ctu𝖆l !xVZee/J6YQ No.16538103]

>>16525586
Decent list but the author of "The World of Odysseus", M.I. Finley (Born Moses Finkelstein) was literally proven to be a communist and in all his work he forces his political ideas on history.

[Anonymous No.16539053]

>>16538103
In that case, so we have a proper alternative?

[Anonymous No.16539159]

>>16532424
That was something I really did appreciate about Evola, he was at least trying to answer the problem of where art thou aristocracy.

[Anonymous No.16539241]

>>16528579
LARPer here, no actually I completely agree with your statements, old aristocracy is dead, probably was killed in the muddy fields of WW1.

New aristocracy, is a bit of a reach, but I'll allow it for discussion purposes. A CS degree is important to start with, but I think only so far as you yourself can become a means of production. Apologies for borrowing the term from Marx, but I do mean it in the same sense. You can be the factory, the workforce, and the management of the production of your own ideas. Anything else that allows you to accomplish this underlying goal then would be "New aristocracy" material.

The underlying goal is best said as "captain of my fate/master of my soul".

But then again, this is not aristocracy, at least in my meaning, or the general metaphysics of historical meaning either.

Back to "allowing" the phrase, new aristocracy. Here's the thing, there is undeniably a misrepresentation of what aristocracy actually means. And this is a gap in everyone's understanding of the term (mine included). As this is something that none of us have lived, we have only read about it.

Was New Coke really Coke? Or was it something else entirely? The brand was the same but the taste was not.

[Anonymous No.16539464]

>>16531675
Uncultured plebeian back to /sci/ you go.

[Anonymous No.16539492]

it's more about connections than anything else

[Anonymous No.16540676]

>>16539492
Correct.

[Anonymous No.16540763]

>>16539492
not really

[Anonymous No.16540784]

>>16525818
>bubs = good

[Anonymous No.16540852]

>>16532380
>libido dominandi
Cheers for the recommendation, looks like a good book

[Anonymous No.16541004]

>>16540852
It definitaly is. Not perfect by any means, but once you read it in full, your view of things will be changed. Whole heartedly recommending it.

[Anonymous No.16541175]

>>16539053
None that I know of, however a piece of shit not having an alternative doesn't mean you should settle with the piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.16541591]

>>16533726
I think he’s a total fucking fag but desu rapture is probably the closest thing to aristocracy, dude has a castle in England, a traceable family lineage and is ultra wealthy now with a massive private library.
Faggot who deserves none of it? Absolutely. But I also buy his pretentiousness as genuine, like i believe he is a genuine aristocratic piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.16541679]

>>16541591
>dude has a castle in England, a traceable family lineage and is ultra wealthy now with a massive private library
So are the jews which bought up the old european aritocracy. Look up where the Rothschild live in england. There is a reason why financial means alone only make you rich and not an aristocrat.

Although I have to concede that he certainly seems as inbreed. Every time we both argue, he looks like a buffoon unironically on par with gutterfly. But that should be expected if someone as wealthy as him has to try and look for approval, not with his peers, but with a bunch of kids and wagies on a jugoslavian kefir bulb exchange website.

[Anonymous No.16541751]

>>16541591
parvenus do that

[Anonymous No.16542341]

>>16541679
>jugoslavian kefir bulb exchange website
kek

[Anonymous No.16542402]

>>16541679
You seem like you got an opinion or two there
What’s your relationship to this board/rapture? You just hate on it all cause?

[Anonymous No.16542521]

>>16542402
My relationship with this board? I'm a collector and lover of antiquarian literature and like to shitpost. Rapture is just like any other namefag, one gets a basic gestalt on the character behind the screen. He's himself at fault, or better said his ego, for making his flaws so obvious. Again, just like his spirit animal gutterfly.

[Anonymous No.16543207]

>>16541591
>t. doesn't know what aristocracy is

[Anonymous No.16543242]

>"aristrocrat"
>feeling any remote need to justify yourself
not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.16543273]

>>16542521
I don’t know like I agree but desu you come across as a way too invested, way more than he is. It just seems a little one sided.

[Anonymous No.16543377]

>>16526151
This. A lot of terribble advice in this thread, be careful op.

[Anonymous No.16543385]

>>16543273
Since when does replying to questions mean one is over invested? And further, why should it be something bad to stand to ones convictions (and pleasures) of putting a public nuisance, using this board merely for validation and cultivation of his self-display, in their place?

Never forgetti, we're anonymous for a reason.

[Anonymous No.16543427]

Classics education was a privilege that could only be attained through formal school education. It ended in Anglo world with the dawn of 20th century and struggles only İn Germany in a bunch of elite Gymnasiums that are too stubborn to change their centuries old curriculum.

[Anonymous No.16543498]

>>16543385
> public nuisance, using this board merely for validation and cultivation of his self-display
The thing is anon this also seems to describe you from the outside. You just don’t seem very self-aware.

[Anonymous No.16543604]

>>16543498
If you would stop playing his kalator, our short exchange would have ended yesterday. But you felt the need to insert yourself, not once, not twice but multiple times and now consider me facing you to be some kind of affront on par with namefagging.

You behaviour makes me nearly think you lack the Y chromosome.
Feel free to stop engaging me.

[Anonymous No.16544310]

>>16543604
you may as well start namefagging

generic reaction images (frogs at that), le mongolian xd farming board meme, taking 4chan seriously, continuing to reply while saying "stop engaging me"

[Anonymous No.16544531]

>>16532273
kino painting. I love waterhouse. also it looks weirdly like demon souls armour

[Anonymous No.16544640]

>>16543604
I don’t for a second believe you collect or appreciate anything of value
Do you have a library anon? You got some nice “antiquarian” books? Let’s see it.
The autism is high with this one.

[Anonymous No.16545148]

>>16525586
>eat with cutlery beyond the essential three
Excuse me, may I have some examples?

[Anonymous No.16545176]

>>16525586
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gzlSbYkNy4hZeCR-Cd-s3Sd51vsOoyAyKAt8xo5i11E/edit?usp=sharing
What does the gray text mean? I see there are two colors: black and gray.

[Anonymous No.16545247]

>>16528193
holy shit that painting. Really makes me feel bad for her lol

[Anonymous No.16545286]

>>16532220
Man, I need to read Dante's Inferno. This painting is so interesting.

[Anonymous No.16545328]

>>16532453
>How far we have drifted from that golden age of higher ideals. Yes, one may argue that the majority lived in misery, but that does not detract from the fact that higher ideals were aspired to. What have we today but the corruption of all that is worthy and pure?
>To me, that is the epitome of aristocracy: the love for all that is sacred, all that is pure and unsullied by the corrupting influence of materialism and hedonism. It is the yearning of something beyond the self, something greater and yet not bewildered as an abstract, unknowable entity, but revered as a vivid, tantalizing state of transcendence.
Based.

[Anonymous No.16545350]

>>16531632
>>16531761
>>16532220
>>16532254
>>16532259
>>16532265
>>16532273
>>16532278
Their lives must have been shit without the internet.

[Anonymous No.16545390]

>>16531632
>>16531761
>>16532949
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.16545396]

>>16545350
Unlike you they had sex so their lives were much better. Dilate troon.

[Anonymous No.16545579]

>>16543604
>>16544640
He’s never going to respond to you, anon. He’s already admitted to just shitposting and he obviously doesn’t have any collection.
Truly the epitome of a pleb.

[Anonymous No.16545624]

>>16525810
Who are you quoting?