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[Anonymous No.16521349]

So, basically, the kabbalah is what happens when jews adopt neoplatonism hundreds of years later after literally everyone else does, but with judaic terminology and aesthetics, right? Why is it considered to be such a big deal when it's judaized neoplatonism in all but name?

[Anonymous No.16521400]

Redpill me on neoplatonism.

[Anonymous No.16521453]

You only understand it when you have high IQ. Give up now OP.

[Anonymous No.16521547]

>>16521349
wrong. masturate with chilli oilon your dick, then watch evangelion if you wdesir to understand

[Anonymous No.16521561]

>>16521400
Grecophied Judaism.

[Anonymous No.16521704]

>>16521400
the true continuation of the Hermopolitan, Heliopolitan, Memphite, and Theban, theogonic tradition (that do not have any conflicting contradictions).

[Anonymous No.16521737]

>tfw watching /lit/ retards denigrate sacred traditions with their garbage understanding with no drive for true attainment

[Anonymous No.16521751]

>>16521349

Kabbalah should have nothing to do with Judaism. Teachers had branched the thought that their own Hebrew language was sacred. The paleo hebrew was the original but now the babylonian hebrew is adopted. The modern teachers think that the Babylonian script is sacred. Which ties to nothing at all to Jewish thought. Babylonian script is not bad in itself but with that logic it makes no sense on why it is sacred. So the tree and the sefers make no sense.

[Anonymous No.16521833]

>>16521737
Oh, enlighten us, based retard-kun! Bathe us in the glory of your divine knowledge!

[Anonymous No.16521870]

>>16521737
based high vibrational anon

[Anonymous No.16522043]

>>16521737
>kabbalah
>tradition
>sacred
their claim to be ancient and venerable is as true as Gnosticism's claim to antiquity was in the second century

[Anonymous No.16522052]

>>16522043
BASEDDD

[Anonymous No.16522069]

>>16522043
based misinformed anon

[Anonymous No.16522125]

>>16522069
>based misinformed anon

[Anonymous No.16522140]

Kabbalah isn't Judaism, it's mysticism influenced by Judaism. It's Gnosticism, which was influenced by Platonism, for kikes.

So you're right, but indirectly.

[Anonymous No.16522217]

>>16521349
I think Kabbalah is closer to advaitavada (that is, nondual doctrines, not only le adwaita wedanta) than to platonism.

[Anonymous No.16522225]

>>16522069
here's another
Kabbalah is older now than the whole bible was in 1AD.
Majority of it was imagined in around 400-200 AD, then all of it was revised by the maccabeans to extract as much hellenism as they could from the ORIGINAL stories; the other half/third during the Exile; and the amount of 'bible' before 800BC could barely fill a booklet. Moses was at best a Hyksos warlord, the Judges, David and Solomon, and almost all the prophets, all euhemerisms (or more like post-hoc inventions), or corrupted plagiarizations from real traditions.

[Anonymous No.16522232]

>>16522225
meant 400-200BC

[Anonymous No.16522254]

>>16521737
Kabbalah is profane to the core though

[Anonymous No.16522290]

>>16521704
He honked by voice, as the Great Honker
Honk Honk

[Anonymous No.16522319]

>>16522225
Gerschom Scholem, probably the greatest authority on the kabbalah to ever exist, told me that the Kabbalah was in all likelihood a reaction to the rationalist autism of Maimonides, and as it was almost a custom to attribute shit you wrote to more respected authors centuries prior to your own times, kabbalah authors dated their own shit to like an entire millennium prior to their actual date of composition, too. Which one of you can I trust more?

[Anonymous No.16522475]

>>16522319
Are you saying that the sefer yetzirah came after the Rambam?
Yikes bro. I'm kinda sad for you.
It's one thing to say that the Zohar wasn't authored by Shimon Bar Yochai, but it's another to claim all of Kabbalah was a response to Maimonides.

[Anonymous No.16522499]

>>16522319
Well that's what I'm saying, I guess the true Kabbalah of the Hebrews is to have done this since the beginning: tribute shit you wrote to more respected authors, or fabricated ancient individuals, centuries prior to your own times.
So technically, by being so believing in heir own lies they are more traditionally Jewish than the Jews.

[Anonymous No.16523420]

>>16522499
>>16522225
for someone who calls himself a platonist you are very unplatonic

[Anonymous No.16524870]

>>16521349
Why can't you take it for what it is? Why do you have to make it something you want it to be- too much guverah, not enough chessed.
Or your just a anti-semite I bet.

[Anonymous No.16525541]

>>16523420
shitting on abrahamics has been in vogue since Plotinus Against the Gnostics/alternatively Augustus.

[Anonymous No.16525551]

>>16525541
Or even better: Ever since we threw out the Hyksos out of Egypt so hard they got a victim complex so big it created Judaism.

[Anonymous No.16525557]

>>16525551

[Anonymous No.16525764]

>>16525541
cite anything against christians plotinus wrote. the only platonist to shit on christianity was the lesser one, suicidal porphyry who almost didn't receive the secret plotinian doctrines after years of rejection

>>16525551
congratulations in reading uzdavinys! now start reading actual books about ancient hebrew people

[Anonymous No.16525798]

>>16525764
>>16522225
see pic related
Also the gnostics were abrahamics, I never said he bashed christians. Although he sort of did by treating them like the non-entity they were in never mentioning them.

[Anonymous No.16526021]

>>16525798
oh yeah, studying under Ammonius Saccas, attacking the main religious movement adversary of early christianity, treating folk paganism with a certain disdain, conceving a hypostatic triad, probably didn't mean anything, you are right!

[Anonymous No.16526110]

>>16522140
So it's the archon version of gnosticism? No wonder they torture their own babies.

[Anonymous No.16526127]

>>16522225
>Moses was at best a Hyksos warlord
He was an Egyptian priest who led a nation of brainlets into a desert, to be shaped and selectively bred to be insane psychopaths - a nation bred for war. The weapon merely outlasted the owners, but they remain pseudo-castrated slaves.
>oy vey muh ancient torment and external enemies
In truth it's just mutilation trauma.

[Anonymous No.16526382]

>>16525798
>gmirkin
why is anything from this obviously biased scholar relevant? why ignore the unanimous dating of the written OT by other scholars as around 600-400BC? why would the OT composers be influenced by berossus and manetho who were influenced by egyptian, mesopotamian and other near eastern instead of a direct influence from those traditions? how is the invertion of influence not equivalent as inverting the order of the hermetica and the Genesis, for example, and dating the latter to AD?

I hope you give us a solid answer for all of this, it will be easy after all anything coming from abrahamic tradition is a lie and distortion.

[Anonymous No.16527275]

bump

[Anonymous No.16527489]

>>16521737
>jewish mumbo jumbo
>true attainment
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.16528150]

bump

[Anonymous No.16528241]

>>16525798
>Also the gnostics were abrahamics

No.

[Anonymous No.16528348]

>>16528241
that anon was wrong about many things but not altogether wrong about it. most gnostics were abrahamics, jewish gnostic sects from BCE were very influential to christian ones

[Anonymous No.16528423]

It's a very different system to neoplatonism though and the only similar thing is levels of reality and emanations. what's the neoplatonic equivalent to partzufim, shekinah or the breaking of the vessels?

[Anonymous No.16528545]

>>16526021
God is three of all gods,
Amun, Rê, Ptah—these are preeminent:
Past knowing His nature as Amun, the hidden,
He is Rê in His features, in body is Ptah.
Their cities on earth endure to eternity,
Thebes, Heliopolis, Memphis, forever;
Word from heaven is heard in the City of Sun,
told in Ptah’s temple to the Handsome of Face,
Who shapes it in signs for Thoth’s books of wisdom;
thus Amun’s city records the gods’ histories.
For God’s judgment is rendered from Thebes:
when decision emerges, it comes through the Ennead;
Since each move of His lips is most secret,
gods carry out what He commands.
God’s Word, it can kill or perpetuate,
life or death for all men unfolds by means of it;
And He opens His countenance as Rê, Ptah, or Amun,
a trinity of unchanging forms.

[Anonymous No.16528971]

>>16528545
nice but what about address to what i said? you hate truth and live by your own opinions, dragged by a satanic hatred, you live according to your Opinions.