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Where to start with Khomeini?

>> No.16510400

>>16510390
Start with Plato, continue with Persian Platonists, then listen to his recorded lectures and read his letters.

>> No.16510403

>>16510390
Nowhere, he was a fucking idiot who almost destroyed Iranian identity. He would have remained Iran to Jibal or some similar Arabic word if he was aware of the etymology of the word Iran.

>> No.16510406

>>16510390
>>16510403
"Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini considered the "Shahnameh" an offensive, even sacrilegious, text that explicitly endorsed monarchy."
"He discouraged public readings of it, declaring all nonreligious poetry as makruh, or "detestable." In 1979, Khomeini's right-hand man, the Ayatollah Sadegh Khalkhali, tried to bulldoze both Ferdowsi's tomb and Persepolis, before the provisional government stopped him."

>> No.16510407

>>16510403
>secular persian diaspora
fuck off

>> No.16510421

>>16510407
If you're not Persian, then you're not in the position to tell us what our country should do. Islam is incompatible with Iranian identity, and I don't like some retarded camel jockey who wants to destroy everything good in a nation's heritage.

>> No.16510433

>>16510403
>remained
renamed*

>> No.16510444

>>16510421
I assure you I am fully Persian, but I also recognize that the Islamic republic is one of the last bastions of spirituality against a world of nihilism created by the jews and propogated their beloved puppet America. It is by no means a small feat to publicly oppose those two superpowers and still remain a powerful and independent state. It would be a very sad thing if we were to see Iran lose this battle.

>> No.16510470

>>16510444
You're not Persian. Fuck off to Bahrain or Iraq if you support shit like this:
>>16510406
Sadegh Khalkhali tried to bulldoze fucking Persepolis and Ferdowsi's tomb, and Khomeini discouraged public readings of Shahnameh.
At least with Kerdir, his fanaticism was tailored to protecting Iranian identity down to its core. With Khomeini, it was literally about becoming Arabs. If you're going to denounce classical works like Shahnameh or delegitimize our pre-Islamic past, then fuck off to Iraq or Bahrain, goddammit.
Iran is probably going to split into multiple countries because Iranian identity has been weakened and Iran is exceeding its grasp. Do you really think we can take on Pissrael when they practically control the American media? Do you realize how much our global image has plummeted. Just look at this new animated movie on Shahnameh. It can't even fucking be put on Netflix or Hulu because of sanctions. All Khomeini did is make the whole world think we're Arabs, and that was his intention to begin with. And guess what? Most Arabs hate us too, so what good did any of that do?
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/thelastfiction?fbclid=IwAR0nT4sd3pjHwiIj5OjlvGch3eTvGm6kL1kJs3K5zsagmI7QKOtd7ZnL3VU

>> No.16510493

>>16510470
>You're not Persian.
کس زیادی نگو عزیز من.
>Shahnameh
A few fanatics like Khalkhali doing stupid things doesn't mean much, idiots are everywhere. And if Khomeini himself didn't like Shahname , it's probably because he wasn't aware of Sohrevardi's treatise on spiritual basis of the work, but we can't expect too much t bh. He was studying and teaching Plato when all of his peers were against it, and he managed to organize a nation into a religious whole and create a spiritual state, which is a more than we could reasonably expect.

>> No.16510497

>>16510470
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I will say this: in life, if there is a choice where one can support Israel/Jews in general, and one that opposes them, I go with the first choice everytime. There's way too many cases of someone opposing Israel and getting absolutely wrecked for me to think doing so is wise.

>> No.16510499

>>16510497
Imagine being this cucked. Cowards like you are the reason the world has gone to shit.

>> No.16510503 [DELETED] 

>>16510470
Anon, a sincere question: why can't you be a Muslim as most of your ancestors since the conquest were? How exactly is Islam incompatible with Iranian identity when it gave Ibn Sina, Suhrawardi, Al-Farabi, Shams, Rumi, Attar...? I know but few, but I'm sure there should be quite a few more exemplary Persian's that were too Muslims.

>> No.16510508

>>16510493
I never bothered learning to read or write Persian because using Arabic script fills me with shame.
What Reza Shah had planned was the best. He made secret plans with the Parsi and Hitler to de-Islamify Iran and make it Zoroastrian again, but his plan could not come to fruition thanks to Soviets and Anglos forcing him to abdicate due to cozying with Hitler. Stuff like SUMKA, even though slightly misguided, helped Iran more than fucking Khomeini:
https://twitter.com/Tim_Doner/status/1307035901885845505?s=19
Also, the sacrifices of Babak Khorramdin and Mardavij should not be ignored. Iran should go back to a reformed Zoroastrianism, change script, and remove all Arabic loanwords. Iran was 20% Zoroastrian before Safavid autism.

>> No.16510513

>>16510508
Out of curiosity, are you Zoroastrian?

>> No.16510514

>>16510470
Anon, a sincere question: why can't you be a Muslim as most of your ancestors since the conquest were? How exactly is Islam incompatible with Iranian identity when it gave way to Ibn Sina, Suhrawardi, Al-Farabi, Shams, Rumi, Attar...? I know but few, but I'm sure there should be quite a few more exemplary Persians that were too Muslims.

>> No.16510515

>>16510497
>There's way too many cases of someone opposing Israel and getting absolutely wrecked for me to think doing so is wise.
That in itself should tell you something. I'm not a fan of current Iran, but anyone that opposes Israel deserves respect.

>> No.16510517

>>16510503
These larping purists don't know what they are talking about. He was probably born and raised in the West and don't even know Persian. If not, he would have known that the Persian variant of Islam is one that is fully transformed to accommodate Persian values and way of life. It's at this point part of our cultural heritage. A parallel situation would be a larping pagan crying about Christianity ruining Europe, which is absurd.There is a world of difference between Persian and Arab islam.

>> No.16510521

>>16510497
>>16510499
My approach is a middle-way. I would support Israel while frequently mocking and emasculating them. Moreover, I would fund films and artwork that portrays them as being demonic. Therefore, I would support them on a physical level but not on a spiritual, inner level. Also, I would not allow them to invest in the country or visit. If they were come to Iran, they would establish porn industries, casinos, and more. I would also kick all Iranian Jews into Israel and make my country Jew free while acknowledging Pissrael's existence as I mock them. The creation of synagogues and the practice of Judaism would be banned basically, even though I would acknowledge Pissrael's existence.

>> No.16510526

>>16510508
I agree, I would have preferred best Reza's plans with Hitler, but I also prefer Islamic republic over neoliberal capitalism that Mohamamdreza was implementing.

>> No.16510521,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>16510497
Those days are coming to an end, kike. One of the consequences of Jews forcing open America's borders is that Jew-haters flooded in by the tens of millions. It's too late to stop it now. Every other country was just waiting for America to turn, and it won't be long now.

>> No.16510547

>>16510513
I'm a reformed Zoroastrianism. I've read the Gathas and many other texts like Bundahishn, Mardanfarrox, and ʿOlamā-ye Eslām. The Gathas are the most important because they are largely the unaltered words of Zarathustra.
>>16510514
Because the word Iran, itself, was coined by Ardeshir I and used since Sassanian empire. The word Iran itself comes with the intent of being a disciple of Zarathustra. It's like India no longer being Hindu. It goes against the very nature of national identification.
Suhrawardi may have been a crypto-Zoroastrian in all honesty.
>>16510517
The thing about the modern times is we have access to vast repositories of knowledge. We now have a better grasp of history. Before Safavid invasions, we were 20% Zoroastrian. Mardavij died trying to make us Zoroastrian. Do you not understand? A lot of us do not want to kneel to that infernal black stone of death. It is shameful to disrespect our Sassanian ancestors who are more important than Safavids and even Achaemenids.
I have had past-life recollections to Sassanian times. Stop attacking my Sassanian Shahs. They made some mistakes, sure, but to disrespect their wishes to go against the very nature of what it means to be Iranian.

>> No.16510554

>>16510508
>I never bothered learning to read or write Persian because using Arabic script fills me with shame
This about summarizes the state of larpy Persian diaspoora.
Peak cringe.
Neck yourself, Reza.

>> No.16510555

>>16510526
Iran is in a bad situation imo. A lot of anti-regime people are starting to side with pro-regime people because USA has been upping its support of MEK/NCRI, which are unarguably worse than mullahs.
These conflicts have to be resolved soon because it's reaching extreme intensity. They need to be wrapped up soon somehow, and going against the regime right now is too rick, which I would agree with.

>> No.16510563

>>16510554
Well, why should I? If our Sassanian Shahs saw we were writing and reading in Arabic script, they would be disgusted, and I don't like to dishonor them. It feels like just yesterday... the wars with Heraclius and Rashidun.

>> No.16510565

>>16510554
The least he could do is to learn persian lmao. The script means nothing, they are just symbols for words.

>> No.16510569

>>16510547
>infernal black stone of death
I don't know bro. I am not Persian (I am Indian American), but this dislike you have for Islam is strange to me. I am Sikh; this faith is new in a historical context. I know full well that only a few hundred years ago, my ancestors were either Hindu or Muslim. That doesn't mean I want to become one of those faiths; I was born into this one and this one is the one that my culture and I have accepted. And while I do have problems with many things Muslims do, I do thin Islam is a very noble and holy faith. Why are you so attached to Zoroastrianism? Are your parents Zoroastrian?

>> No.16510575

>>16510555
The truth of the matter is that it's not just Iran that has fallen, it's the whole world. The west is declining too, more quickly than you might expect. Seeing as the tribe doesn't seem to have a matching opponent, it's all just going to get worse. Much worse.

>> No.16510587

>>16510547
Indeed; Suhrawardi may have been something a "crypto-Zoroastrian'' and, even so, he would be against ye Iranians, attempting to replace a living religion- the religion of your fathers and brothers- with a perishing one. A religion that, so it seems, and correct if I'm wrong, anon, has been to such an extent, in some parts, merged with Islam, that its unadulterated or unfiltered remains are few; is not modern Zoroastrianism, at best, the old religion read through Islamic hermeneutical lenses?

>> No.16510599

>>16510569
First off, I like the metaphysics of Zoroastrianism. There is something about it that can encourage more creativity when compared to Islam. I have literally created a new field of aesthetics based on Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism, for example, has a lot of parallels with Shintoism, and it can likewise help Iran have artistic boom.
Second off, I have had past-life recollections to the Sassanian era. I have even talked to mobed in my dreams. I do not want the sacrifices of Babak Khorramdin and Mardavij to be in vain.

>> No.16510600

>>16510587
The Gathas are largely the unaltered words of Zarathustra. There is no way it could have been influenced by Islam or even Mesopotamian culture because its Old Avestan prevents such an interpretation. It came from the same origin as Hinduism, hence why Old Avestan and Sanskrit have a lot of commonalities.

>> No.16510603

>>16510569
>Why are you so attached to Zoroastrianism? Are your parents Zoroastrian?
He obviously just wants to fuck his sister.
(requesting ahura mazda spurdo bear pic please)

>> No.16510609

>>16510603
Xwedodah and Barashnûm are not central to Zoroastrian theology. Many ancient religions had similar practices, but they have been dropped while the core is retained.

>> No.16510614

>>16510421
Isn't most of Persian poetry and scientist from Islamic era?

>> No.16510616

>>16510600
But what about the priestly lineage: are there any intact? Is Old Avestan used by them? It seems to me that the ethos around modern Zoroastrianism is wholly Islamic.

>> No.16510618

>>16510587
>he would be against ye Iranians, attempting to replace a living religion
Not him, but I don't think this is true. Sohrevardi saw a common Indo-European spiritual window and attempted to peer through it.
>Mapping Suhrawardi’s intellectual trajectory and identifying the sources he may have used proves difficult, notably because he states he was first a ‘zealous’ defender of the Peripatetic tradition, and was later assisted by those who “have travelled the path of God” and mastered the ‘science of intuition’, the likes of “the inspired and illuminated Plato”, Hermes, Empedocles, Pythagoras, etc. among the Greeks and Jamasp, Frashostar, Bozorgmehr, etc. among the Ancient Persians (PI, §3; cf. Suh. 1993a, 502–4). His philosophical project sought to revive the wisdom (hikma) of the Ancients, tapping into this double (Eastern/Western) initiatic genealogy of Sages and from the Greek and Arab philosophers who threaded the ‘path of God’.
This is by no means against Islam but rather supplementary, since Prophet Mohammad and Ali were by all accounts esotericist mystics.

>> No.16510621

>>16510599
>Second off, I have had past-life recollections to the Sassanian era. I have even talked to mobed in my dreams. I do not want the sacrifices of Babak Khorramdin and Mardavij to be in vain.
I personally believe in reincarnation, but I still believe that you should take your meds.

>> No.16510627

>>16510616
>But what about the priestly lineage: are there any intact?
Yeah, they're intact in India as Parsi minority. I believe a lot of Zoroastrians of Yazd also have unbroken patrilineal lineage to mobed of Sassanian era.
>Is Old Avestan used by them?
For liturgical purposes, it is used by Parsi.
>It seems to me that the ethos around modern Zoroastrianism is wholly Islamic.
Islam is focused on submission.
Zoroastrianism focuses on purification.

>> No.16510631

You niggers need to STFU and drink some doogh

>> No.16510632

>>16510621
You don't know who I am, so saying I should take "my meds" is insulting. I am a functional member of society. It's not like I walk around screaming about this stuff like a street preacher.

>> No.16510651

>>16510627
>Islam is focused on submission.
Zoroastrianism focuses on purification.

I protest, dear anon; one could argue that esoteric Islam seems more focused on purification than on submission. i.e: Iraqi.

>> No.16510662

A full bladder so you can piss on his grave

>> No.16510665

>>16510632
>I am a functional member of society.
I am also a "functional member" but this is nothing to be proud of. Being a cog in this meat-factory is hardly a point of honor. By all means anon, take this as a genuine suggestion: you should learn persian read some poetry.

>> No.16510708

"In each mirror, each moment the Beloved shows a different face, a different shape. Each instant reflections change to suit the mirror, image follows image in harmony with the situation.

In each mirror, each moment
a new face reveals His beauty.
Now He is Adam, and now
He appears in the robes of Eve.

Thus He never twice shows the same face; never in two mirrors does one form appear. Abu Talib al-Makki says, "He never shines through one shape twice nor manifests as one form in two places."

His loveliness owns
a hundred thousand faces;
gaze upon a different fair one
in every atom;
for He needs must show
in every separate mote
a different aspect
of His Beauty.
"One" is the fountainhead
of all numbers:
each split seconds wells up
a new perplexity."

It's worthy in English: it must be beautiful in Persian.

>> No.16510712

>>16510665
When my favorite Iranian writer, Sadegh Hedayat, had committed suicide, I feel less compelled to learn the language for some reason.
Iran could be creating great artwork, but instead, it's stuck in some kind of identity crisis regarding Islam. I mean, something like Dark Souls felt like it could have been made by Iranians. In fact, Dark Souls feels Persian in many regards. For example, the bonfires connected to first flame warding off the Abyss' encroaching darkness is similar to how Sassanians kept fires in their homes to ward off Ahriman's darkness.
Besides Abbas Kiarostami, Iran doesn't have much interesting stuff due to censorship.

>> No.16510716

>>16510708
Very based. Imagine having a platonist poet as the founder of your country and still whining.

>> No.16510724

>>16510712
>liking modernist literature
>talking about vidya unironically
Anon, I...

>> No.16510736

>>16510708
The prologue of Iraqi's Divine Flashes:

"Praise belongs to God Who made effulgent the face of His Friend Muhammad with Beauty's theophanies, that is sparkled with light:

beholding therein the far reach of Perfection, filling Him with Joy at the sight

God began with him, loved him with untainted love, even then,

when Adam was not yet remembered nor the Tablet yet traced by the Pen.

So in the warehouse of Existence he is the treasure, they key to unlock Generosity's sealed chest;

he is both the niche and goal of the ecstatic wanderer, and the very ecstasy of his chest;

He owns the Banner of Praise, he owns the Laudable Station

and form the tongue of that spiritual rank there flows forth in recitation:

Truly in form
I am Adam's son--
and yet
within Adam himself
lies a secret--
my secret--
that testifies:
I am his father!"

>> No.16510771

>>16510736
*the very ecstasy in his breast.

"Outwardly" he says "I am of Adam's children
yet in every way far above him in station.
I gaze at the glass which reveals my beauty
and see the universe but an image of that image.
In the paradise of theophany I am the Sun:marvel not
that every atom becomes a vehicle of my manifestation
What are the Holy spirits? the delegates of my secret;
and the shapes of men? the vessels of my bodily form.
World-encircling Ocean? a drop of my overflowing effusion;
purest Light? but a spark of my illumination.
No, *I am Light*: All things are seen in my unveiling
and from moment to moment my radiance is more manifest.
The Divine Names bear their fruit in me. Look:
I am the mirror of the shining essence.
These lights which arise from the East of Nothingness
are myself, every one-- yet I am more.
From the Throne to the outstretched carpet of the world
all things are motes in the sun-ray of my illumined mind.
The world would shed its darkness in my bright being
if I tore the curtain from my attributes.
What is the water that gave life to undying Khezr?
a drop from my Spring of Abundance.
And that breath of Christ which brought the dead to life?
One breath of my breath, the nurture of Spirits.
My essence? the locus of theophany of all the Names...
No. When I look in truth, I am the Greatest Name."

>> No.16510772
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16510772

>>16510724
I focus on the extremes of blissful or horror literature, film, video games, and much more. I have lists I make of them. My goal is to write literature of absolute Spenta and Angra Mainyu. In fact, I have already published a horror story in a reputable literary journal, but I am not having as much luck with my children's book, which in fact may have been plagiarized during the querying process!
I have had dreams from Ahura Mazda and Ahriman, which I can recount to you both. I may be a prophet. Also, personally speaking, I prefer the more eloquent and subtle grace of the Chinese poets like Hanshan and Shiwu over the Dionysian and grandiose poetry of the Sufis. It's just a personal preference. My favorite writers in general are:
Angra:
1. Thomas Ligotti
2. Edgar Allan Poe
3. Sadegh Hedayat
Spenta:
1. Inga Moore
2. Tove Jansson
3. Beatrix Potter
Dualism is absolute. I want to promote artistic boom of absolute dualism. I want to experience absolute bliss, happiness, and etc. and likewise, I want to experience absolute misery, horror, and pain. Then I want to see whether the line which divides them is determinate or indeterminate. That is my goal as a prophet. I have had two powerful dreams that haunt and motivate me for my artistic-philosophical project.

>> No.16510783

>>16510772
I recognize you anon. In fact, once you were going to email me some philosophical arguments but you seem to forgot about it.

>> No.16510786

>>16510497

"Only a beat dog would speak this way."

>> No.16510794

>>16510771
"Removed is Love above man's aspirations,
above the tales of union and separation;

for that which transcends the imagination
escapes all metaphor and explication."

That someone may enjoy it; a bit tired to type the entire chapter. This little book is a fascinating pearl.

>> No.16510798

>>16510772
You are a strange man- if a man yet you are, for it seems that you are yet to enter into your twenties. Nevertheless, good fortune in your projects, dear anon.

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16510805

>>16510798
I am almost 30. I have shelves full of horror literature and children's literature. Dualism is absolute.
I would be executed if I went to Iran due to the horror story I wrote. These are my favorite writers.
If I told you my dreams, it would make you think twice about mocking my project.

>> No.16510811

01/02
I recently had two dreams in a row. My first dream involved finding myself in a labyrinthine library, which had multiple levels. There was a faint irrradiance that permeated the entire setting. Each book on the shelves glowed as if begging to be grabbed. I found myself on the topmost level, and from the corner, a refulgence of light engulfed me. I trudged towards the most luminescent of books and picked it up. Beautiful and serene, I flipped through it without forethought. What moved me were the most beautiful of all vistas, invigorating my entire being with peace and calm. Picturesque and idyllic, the enchanting pictures emanated divine light, perfect order and stability. Its paintings were reminiscent of more otherworldly illustrations of Alfred Bestall or Maxfield Parrish. A picture book of absolute goodness, a Perfect Platonic form. I wanted to take this book to share with my wife.
I awoke once, hoping it was in my clasped right hand. My hand kept opening and closing as I gazed upon it with one open eye. Back to sleep once more, I attempted again to cling to the book, this time harder, to bring it to the actual world of matter. I failed once more.
I realized that no matter how many times I vainly tried to bring forth this book of absolute light of goodness, this Book of Spenta Mainyu, that it would forever remain in the recesses of this dream world. I gave up, for fear that after too many attempts, new dreams would overtake me thereby causing this comforting one to dissolve. I gently placed the book on the shelf. It is as if all the generosity, loving-kindness, and wisdom of this world were condensed into its purest and benevolent of all forms within that angelic book.
In the foyer of the library, I conversed with several people reading books.
“How can I bring books from this library to the actual world?” I inquired.
“Oh, you cannot bring any of those books to such a world,” one of them replied.
I became silent and morose. The dream ended, and I laid hopeless in bed. Being still tired, it took me five minutes to fall asleep once more.
The second dream occurred in a gas station. While walking around idly, the scene struck me as immensely decrepit and dirty. Stains of defecation were in the corners and all processed foods were expired. The main cashier seemed bored, reading a newspaper without a care in the world. I came across a peculiar magazine rack.

CONT.

>> No.16510815

>>16510798
Once he got into a fight with guenonfag. It was one of the most kino things I've seen on /lit/.

>> No.16510817

>>16510811
02/02

Without much forethought, my hand glided towards a conspicuous magazine from which emitted a murky darkness. Appalled, it took my dream-mind a couple of seconds to process what it beheld: the book’s covering felt akin to skin and little strings dangled on its bottom. My fingers caressed its strings. “No, it couldn’t be,” I whispered. These flimsy strings were from human entrails, their stench unbearable. I became too fearful to open the book.
Eventually, some great unworldly dark temptation took hold of me, and I gently opened the book. Inside were pictures of dismembered children that shocked me whereby no words can do justice to the horror, like dark net engulfing one in its madness. As I flipped through the pages they became increasingly more chaotic and disorderly, the faces of blood and agony feeling even more frightening in this dreamworld. I immediately put the Book of Angra Mainyu back onto the rack. It is as if all the greed, hatred, and delusion of this world were condensed into its purest and malevolent of all forms within that infernal book.

My question is this:

How do the books of absolute light and darkness relate to Infinity? Are they both expressions of Infinity, or is only the Book of Absolute Light an expression of Infinity?

I think they both represent two irreconcilable ontological grounds of existence.

>> No.16510820

>>16510390
Start with the part when he sent young boys to run over minefields and to be blown to pieces for the sake of Allah during the Iran-Iraq war.

>> No.16510822

>>16510811
>>16510817
I didn't make up either of these dreams either. I used to be a Soto Zen Buddhists, but I couldn't come to terms with the antinomian implications of its monism.

>> No.16510825

>>16510783
I did email you, but it took me a long time. I think by then your email expired. I think my argument was fine, but it still has some holes. I sent a terse philosophical argument.

>> No.16510848

>>16510805
I am not mocking your project, anon. It seemed to me, however, in honesty, that you were a bit younger: your words denounce a spirit that almost believes itself to be invincible, coupled with an almost idolatrous belief in the arts. I feel true innoncence in your words. Perhaps that is a good thing.

I enjoyed hearing about your dream. You related it extremely well.

>> No.16510849

>>16510599
I will bite, what parallels are there between Zoroastrianism and Shinto?

>> No.16510854

>>16510805
>I would be executed if I went to Iran due to the horror story I wrote. These are my favorite writers.
Literally nobody would care. They have a lot more on their hands than to care about some random horror story

>> No.16510874

>>16510390
Just look at the man's face and you can see he is divine. How can people be so blind?

>> No.16510885

>>16510874
He looks a lot like my uncle, former taxi driver and notorious smoker of cigarettes, may God have his soul.

>> No.16510893

>>16510848
If you make a new email, I can send my epistemological and ontological argument, which is a work in progress.
>>16510849
There are substantial differences of course, but there are a couple of similarities too. For example, Zoroastrianism places heavy emphasis on purification and removing traces of corruption. It was considered impure or corrupting to touch dead matter or corpses as an example. This is why excarnation was promoted.
Moreover, purification is done via embracing asha (truth, order, good-will) over druj (lie, disorder, ill-will). This also influenced Manichaeaism, which also somewhat resembles Shintoism. In short, some literature argues there are light or dark particles in conflict, or an emanating orb of light and lair of darkness, and the light is purifying and the dark corrupting. Likewise, mainyu simultaneously means both spirit and mind, and spenta and angra mainyu are in conflict. Spenta Mainyu is the spirit/mentality associated with goodness and Angra Mainyu is the spirit/mentality of evil, and my own addition to Zoroastrianism involves looking at this from a more aesthetic angle.
There was a heavy emphasis in Zoroastrianism on cleanliness too such as ritual ablutions.
As you can see, Shintoism has some commonalities, but there are differences too. The idea of heptad has little in common with Shinto kami, but the heptad is a vaguely Platonic.

>> No.16510899

>>16510893
>If you make a new email, I can send my epistemological and ontological argument, which is a work in progress.
Here is another one anon. This one I believe is more permanent.
drfghstsdfg@protonmail.com

>> No.16510907

>>16510893
Also the anon you replied wasn't me (I'm anon who you were going to email).

>> No.16510932

>>16510893
Ah, I was assuming the worse when in fact your comparisons to that extent are reasonable.
You seem like a well intentioned fellow.

>> No.16511283

>>16510403
he saved iran from the great satan you pseud

>> No.16511385

>>16510493
گوه نخور احمق گاگول، هیچ چیز معنویای توی جمهوری اسلامی نیست. حکومت دزدها و یهودیصفتهاست. دینداری رو به کاهش بوده توی جمهوری اسلامی همیشه.
مردم همون دینی که ۴۰ سال پیش داشتن رو الان ندارن چون جمهوری اسلامی، ایران رو از درون تهی کرد.
از جمهوری اسلامی فقط انحطاط مردم در همهی ابعاد و تجزیهی ایران در میاد.

>> No.16511437

>>16511385
we speak american here take your sand runes elswhere

>> No.16511536

>>16510508
oof
cringe diaspora

>> No.16511646

I sympathize with the Zoroastrians and Nationalists, but holy FUCK are you guys painfully autistic.

>> No.16511661
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16511661

>the seething Iranian dispora in this thread
Hilarious

>> No.16511915

>>16510820
What makes you think this is something that really happened and not just propaganda?

>> No.16511969
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16511969

quiero ver iran, pero onions americano. así hice un plan:
voy a mudarme a panama, y luego despues 3 años, voy a conseguir un visa de panama, y lo puedo usar para viajando a iran con libertad, i.e, sin la guía turistico que los americanos deben tener.

que les parece?
quiero aprender español y farsi los dos

>> No.16512070

>>16510712
>In fact, Dark Souls feels Persian in many regards
If I had to pick out a line to summarize this thread.

>> No.16512119

Is there such a thing as a Zoroastrian revival in Iran or is that just a meme

>> No.16512127

>>16510403
Found the kike

>> No.16512183

>>16512119

Zoroastrians are like Jews. They don't like converts and also don't go out of their way to convert.

>> No.16512186

>>16512119
It's a meme, almost all Zoroastrians today live in India.

>> No.16512194

Iran and Hezbollah are Palestine last bastion of hope.

>> No.16512254

I liked Shahnameh
>>16510547
What was the native word for Iran before sassanids? I know West just used term Persia.

>> No.16512331

>>16512119
It's more like Zoroastrian revival outside Iran lmao. It's very uncommon among native Iranians but very common among the diaspora for some reason.

>> No.16512657

>>16512254
>What was the native word for Iran before sassanids? I know West just used term Persia.
I think it was Elam, I think that's what the Sumerians knew them as.

>> No.16513120

>>16511661
is arab tea any good that so many of them drink it all day

>> No.16513157

>>16510390
Right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJrkXwAD3I

>> No.16513167

>>16510508
> I never bothered learning to read or write Persian because using Arabic script fills me with shame.

fucking larper, kill yourself. Or maybe you should go crash your dad's BMW in LA.

>> No.16513241

>>16513167
I don't live in LA, and I'm not a LARPer.

>> No.16513276

>>16513241
nigga you are a larper. You are one of those faggy secularist Iranians that leave Iran and live in the west whilst bitching about how bad Iran is under the ayatollah but not doing shit. Your just as bad as the fucking Cubans, but at least the fucking Cubans did cool shit like building drug empires in Miami.

>> No.16513294

>>16513276
First off, I'm not a secularist. I prefer the Sassanian Zoroastrian theocratic monarchism.
Second, I don't like Islam in general but not for progressivist reasons.
Third, I would do shit but putting up with Arabic script just feels shameful. It makes me feel like a cuck.

>> No.16513309

>>16513294
Why does it make you feel like a cuck? Some of the best Islamic scholars were Persian. It is like the west claiming they are cucks because they follow a religion made by a rebel jew.

>> No.16513315

>>16513294
>Arabic script just feels shameful
This is just ridiculous rationalization. Don't be a lazy larper and learn the language

>> No.16513330

>>16513309
Well, a lot of them cucks before Enlightenment era. I look up to people like Schopenhauer, Klages, and others who were able to throw the yoke of Abrahamism off. I really hate Abrahamic religions, and I personally feel the Sassanian-Rashidun-Byzantine wars haven't ended.

>> No.16513350

>>16513294
>Third, I would do shit but putting up with Arabic script just feels shameful.
What alternative is there? Would you use cuneiform instead, if you were in charge of Iran?

>> No.16513361

>>16510508
shouldnt you be driving some leased 1 series BMW and working at a cell phone store?

>> No.16513363

>>16513315
But I always feel angry whenever I see Arabic script or any Iranian using an Arabic loanword. It just makes me angry and wish I were either German or Japanese. Besides Iran's Sassanian past and a few good writers and film directors, I don't really like Iran's culture. I have more respect for India for preserving its Indo-Iranian faith even though I prefer Mazdan dualism over Vedanta's monism.
The only reason I would learn to read or write is so I can become a Zoroastrian version of Khomeini (aka Kerdir) and that would put my family at risk.

>> No.16513394

>>16513350
Pahlavi
>>16513361
I'm not a materialistic person the way Iranians of LA act. I don't even think recreational sex is good. I don't do degenerate stuff like sleep around or clubbing.

>> No.16513435

>>16510497
No sissy boys allowed

>> No.16513518

>>16510390
british petroleum

>> No.16513570

>>16510403
I fucking remember you from the /int/ thread. go fuck yourself you LARPing f*rsian

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16513587

>>16513570
>f*rsian
Are you a T*rk or Ar*b because they're the only ones who say f*rsian.
20% of Iran was Zoroastrian before Safavid autism, idiot. Warriors like Mardavij didn't just pop out from nowhere.

>> No.16513613

>>16513587
Yea yea yea keep fucking LARPing as your fucking dead fucking empire you pathetic, rootless cuck

>> No.16513634

>>16513613
It's not exactly dead because the word Iran was coined during Sassanian empire, and their memory was preserved in the Shanameh and various customs and celebrations (e.g., Nowruz, Mehregan, etc.) Much of the Zoroastrian literary corpus survived too with the Gathas being the most important.
It's possible another Mardavij or Kerdir will rise again.
Why do you care about Iran's internal affairs as a Turk or Arab?

>> No.16513919

>>16513120
No it's awful. Tons of mint and even more sugar to hide the taste of cheap tea and destroy your teeth.

>> No.16513971

>>16513919
why do they drink it all day than

>> No.16514168

>>16510631
Ayran>doogh

>> No.16514290

>>16510390
in bathroom

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16514958

>>16511385
So I'm relearning farsi, reading and writing. I can read some of this and understand you telling him to eat shit.

But the trouble I'm having is with the را as the direct object marker in a sentence? Can you explain it as simply as possible how to understand when to use it with a direct object?

Any farsi books you'd recommend? Just finished Colloquial Persian(hate the romanized farsi) and Teach Yourself Modern Persian.

Currently reading the book, Chamedahn by Bozorg Alavi to practice reading.

>> No.16515159

>>16510497
So literally every American politician then

>> No.16516041

>>16510554
not him but, while refusing to learn how to write Farsi is retarded, he's pretty square on the money for everything else.
Fuck you Mohammed you stupid faggot, you and your kind did in fact ruin the country, diaspora or no. Eat shit and die.

>> No.16516063

>>16510508
>using Arabic script fills me with shame.
Unlike Roman and Anglo script? Lol

>> No.16516137

>>16510893
Could you send it to me too? I would love to read more of your writing:
1991throwawayemail@gmail.com

>> No.16516156

>>16511646
I'm gonna be real with you dude. It's pretty much the Iranian default state to be fucking autistic. In fact I'd go so far to say that everyone from the west of Iran to the southeast of India is an unreal sperg.

>> No.16516169

>>16516156
Its the combination of the autism of previous islamic intellect with consanguinity

>> No.16516354

>>16510421
>If you're not Persian, then you're not in the position to tell us what our country should do

>If you're not American, then you're not in the position to tell us what our country should do

Are you aware that Iran is comprised of multiple cultures and ethno-linguistic groups of which Persians are but one? (the majority?) Are you aware that the policies and actions of the Iranian government affect people outside of Iran? Are you even partially "Persian" yourself?

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>>16516354
Persians, Kurds, Azeris, Lurs, and Mazandranis cluster with each other on PCA plots (check orange on graph). They have like ~90% genetic continuity to the Iron Age as two Iron Age samples show:


1. Hajji_Firuz_IA: This sample pretty much clusters with Iranians. It is most likely an Achaemenid.
2. Teppe_Hasanlu_IA: This one is more to the edge but still close. Some people claim it's a Hurrian.

Here the G25 coordinates for both samples:

IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA:I2327,0.095611,0.111708,-0.069767,-0.036176,-0.047393,0.003626,-0.00235,-0.001846,-0.043155,-0.019499,0.003897,-0.002997,0.008771,0.002615,0.00095,0.009679,-0.010561,0.012922,0.006788,-0.003627,-0.003868,-0.013107,-0.004067,-0.004699,0.007664

IRN_Hasanlu_IA:F38,0.09675,0.121864,-0.06939,-0.04199,-0.0437,-0.003904,0.002115,-0.004615,-0.033746,-0.014761,0.005684,0.001049,0.004757,-0.007707,0.003664,0.026916,0.009518,0.002534,0.006034,-0.001376,-0.000873,-0.000618,0.000493,-0.003133,-0.001557

Here are the top 5 closest modern population compared to these ancient samples:
1. Distance to: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA:I2327
0.02927741 Iranian_Lor
0.03158392 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.03300837 Kurdish
0.03309935 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.03357125 Talysh_Azerbaijan

2. Distance to: IRN_Hasanlu_IA:F38
0.02501573 Kurdish
0.03116262 Ezid
0.03244303 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.03383971 Iranian_Lor
0.03580875 Iranian_Zoroastrian

Source:
http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

>> No.16516469

>>16510403
>He doesnt know about the Romans
>He doesnt know about the 110+ times the jews have been BTFO

>> No.16516682

>>16514168
? You retarded? They have the same ingredients

>> No.16516694

>>16510497
>There's way too many cases of someone opposing Israel and getting absolutely wrecked for me
This occurs because you blindly support them

>> No.16516925

>>16510403
I like how diaspora LARPers accuse Khomeini of making Iran Arab and Salafitards accuse him of leading a Zoroastrian revival.

>> No.16516950

Holy shit there is no such thing as a crypto Zoroastrian you tards Islam was just a lot more syncretic back in the day. The Safavids and Qajars were always commissioning new illustrated copies of the Shahnameh Nader Shah was using ancient Persian titles ideals of kingship actively sycnretised Islamic ideals with Iranic ones (the splendor of Islamic courts was always based on Persian and Greek traditions). Islam has always been supplemented by Persian culture with some Greek stuff sprinkled in until the Ottomans collapsed and the Saudi goat herders started funding their shit theology worldwide.

>> No.16517144

>>16510547
>Because the word Iran, itself, was coined by Ardeshir I and used since Sassanian empire. The word Iran itself comes with the intent of being a disciple of Zarathustra. It's like India no longer being Hindu. It goes against the very nature of national identification.

Iran became named Iran to showcase their Aryan identity to Hitler.

>> No.16517205

>>16517144
Not really, that's just the official name. Persians have been referring to their country as Iran for centuries.

>> No.16517447

>>16516041
Get fucked Zoro faggot Ismail should have finished the job and wiped your kind and the memories of your kind of the face of the earth