/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16495267]

What do I read to understand lefties? Why do they pretend to care about the worker class? Why are they always intellectually dishonest? Why are they so aggressive in language despite being physically and mentally weak? Do I need to learn the psychology of mental illnesses to understand their perspectives or will Marxist literature help?

[Anonymous No.16495283]

>>16495267
kinda cringe bro...
wanna hook up?

[Anonymous No.16495284]

Leftists are literally the smartest and strongest people on earth. Talk to any well-read person and they will always be leftwing.

[Anonymous No.16495288]

just browse twitter

[Anonymous No.16495289]

>>16495267
Marx.
And if you want to understand something, don't act like you already do.

[Anonymous No.16495293]

>>16495267
Communism appeals only to the weak; those who fail to thrive in a capitalist nation, or too stupid to understand why a half-retarded janitor isn't as valuable as a neurosurgeon.

[Anonymous No.16495321]

The leftist claims to champion the working man, yet does everything to destroy him.

[Anonymous No.16495359]

>>16495293
>>16495321
Anon, can I ask you a question? Do you actually think this is contributing to the conversation, or are you that shit scared of a thread where people might recommend marx that you have to shit it up with this drivel?
I'm honestly asking because I really don't understand why you would bother with this. No I'm not asking you this because you're "too based", your posting simply isn't funny or interesting or anything. It's not novel, it's not useful, to either side of the debate. Obviously, you have strong feelings about this, but could you please be more thoughtful, or at least creative with your posting?

[Anonymous No.16495374]

>>16495284
I thought the raid was already over, go back to your contaminated board

[Anonymous No.16495380]

>>16495359
keep seething loser. marx isnt some unknown writer that people are scared to mention.

[Anonymous No.16495386]

>>16495359
He's right though that communists are usually marginalized, and in a modern capitalist society it's usually due to personal shortcomings or unsatiable greed of power/wealth.

[Anonymous No.16495388]

>>16495380
Right, so you're stupid enough to think those were insightful posts. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.16495397]

>>16495267
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "MARXIST-LENINIST" AND A SOCIALIST.

Read Bakunin, read about the disagreement at the First International

[Anonymous No.16495398]

>>16495388
i dont even know what you're talking about. i read the first line of your post and stopped reading. you communists are just retarded and a waste of time to argue with

[Anonymous No.16495408]

>>16495397
The photo of third international clearly indicates it's regarding 20th century marxism

[Anonymous No.16495411]

>>16495398
>i read the first line of your post and stopped reading
I was referencing the first line of my post...

[Anonymous No.16495425]

>>16495411
and i was specifically referring to you thinking that people are scared of marx not you getting assblasted over people making fun of commies. getting it together tankie

[Anonymous No.16495428]

>>16495408
My issue is his use of the word "lefties"
I don't consider Soviets lefties

[Anonymous No.16495432]

>>16495293
Would we still have janitors in a communist society? Or isn't it more the case that, in a land owned by all, people would be more inclined to cleanliness and self-sufficiency.

[Anonymous No.16495436]

>>16495428
Well they are, and normal non-leftist people don't care to entrain your terminology autism

[Anonymous No.16495438]

>>16495425
The first line is a question with two options.
option 1: you thought those posts were good
option 2: the posts were deliberately shit to derail the thread
You denied the second option, de facto choosing the first.
It's not hard, but I guess your inability to understand this is just further evidence that yes, you were stupid enough to think those posts were valuable.

[Anonymous No.16495442]

>>16495436
>entrain
entertain

[Anonymous No.16495444]

>>16495284
>ugly face, haha, look at ugly face, look at ugly face, haha
By Allah, the left cant meme

[Anonymous No.16495449]

>>16495432
Your second sentence is missing a question mark.

[Anonymous No.16495459]

>>16495359
Yes it is terrifying to see dozens of posts saying "read Marx'', really gets you in the bone

[Anonymous No.16495464]

>>16495449
why are you posting this gentleman

[Anonymous No.16495467]

>>16495438
im not gonna read your retarded post and argue with you, you dumb commie. why are you even trying.

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>>16495436
>language doesn’t matter
>Chomsky turns in his office chair

[Anonymous No.16495473]

>>16495449
It is intended as a statement.

[Anonymous No.16495477]

>>16495467
>why are you even trying.
to derail the thread

[Anonymous No.16495478]

>>16495464
Because he's ebin

[Anonymous No.16495487]

Thomas Sowell, Intellectuals and Society. Literally answers all your questions.

[Anonymous No.16495505]

>>16495468
"Voting for U.S. President Donald Trump is worse than voting for Hitler,"
-Noam Chomsky

This confuses me. Does Chomsky actually believe this? What has Trump done that's worse than the Holocaust? Is Chomsky admitting the Holocaust never happened?

If he's not serious, then doesn't this reveal him as a disingenuous manipulator of public opinion?

[Anonymous No.16495512]

>>16495284
Liberals, yes. Leftists no.

[Anonymous No.16495518]

>>16495505
But does the language matter now again or what?

[Anonymous No.16495534]

>>16495267
Go back to /pol/ retard. Communism will take over the world, and all you /pol/ fags will be thrown in the gulags.

[Anonymous No.16495540]

>>16495518
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.16495543]

>>16495534
imagine simping for some bald manlet to be your King because he's like 'lol this will totally emancipate the workers one day'

[Anonymous No.16495550]

>>16495267
based on my observations leftists are almost always generated by a combination of ressentiment, utopian megalomania, totalitarian drive, suicidal drive and bipolarity. in 99% of cases it can always be explained by psychological factors. then you have generational leftits, like sons and grandsons of communist revolutionaires (since their entire social position was built on violentely killing people they need to engage in constant self-brainwashing and brainwashing of their children in order to be able to function normally, big generational leftist myths are built up to explain away the fact that they are simply common criminals) and leftists emerging from childhood trauma (a priest might have fiddled someone so he/she takes up the most anti-clerical position in adulthood ie communism). Then you also have people who are morally bakrupt in one way or another and instead of admitting to themselves they have a problem or admitting that their peculiarity should remain private and on the fringes of society, they refuse to do so and try to force their derangement on the whole society and leftist ideology usually is most welcoming of this kind of thing. I have never and I mean NEVER heard or seen a leftist coherently articulate their position that didn't ultimately boil down to their feefees being hurt.

[Anonymous No.16495553]

>>16495444

[Anonymous No.16495557]

>>16495534
Based daddy

[Anonymous No.16495561]

>>16495267
The communists I've met (mostly serious, "real" ones) actually care about the working class but think that thhrough some deep 'ideal' reflection and through a sort if war of ideas against the bourgs will amount to communism in the end. What you're saying is probably true, and i say that as a sympathizer, its just that the obverse, positive way to say all these claims reflect deeper truths.

The problem most people (and your post) have about communists is that they simply reject that these truths have anything to do with human history as a whole and are thus insignificant in politics. That gives them the liberty to dismiss communists as mentally ill zealots.

[Anonymous No.16495567]

>>16495267
>will Marxist literature help?
You don't need to read anything. For the alt-right of political economy already know what is to be known about Marx. He is a jew who is directly responsible for the death of 100M+ people. He might as well have dug the holes. I mean, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.16495573]

>>16495567
If anyone is responsible for all of this its Hegel.

[Anonymous No.16495628]

>>16495550
>>16495267
>>16495561
Does anyone know what leftists care about? What makes them hurt? For example many right-wing people are simple: they are affected about their lands/cultures being suberted, etc. Intellectuals care about the way their intellect is perceveid, Greek warriors care about glory and fame, etc. But with leftists (marxists especially) it feels like they don't care about being shown to be stupid (oftentimes they're actually anti-intellectuals), they don't care if they're mocked, they don't even seem to care they're killed or seen as less than humans. In some way, it feels like they are in a desperate state of feeling like they have nothing to lose so you can't reach them by any means. Look at Trotsky for example, it didn't seem like there was anything that could've been done to pacify him, hurt him, convince him abou anything, calm him down, etc. What makes them tick?

[Anonymous No.16495635]

The leftists today are the petite bourgeoise fighting for the lumpenproles. I hate all of them

[Anonymous No.16495664]

>>16495267
Just go through the one of the many marxist/socialist/communist reading lists. Yes they care for the working class, no it's the right and corporate media who tend to be dishonest.
Here this is a good list:
https://www.socialist.net/the-fundamentals-of-marxism-suggested-reading.htm

[Anonymous No.16495666]

>>16495635
>The leftists today are the petite bourgeoise fighting for the lumpenproles.
They're fighting for themselves and nothing else

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>>16495635

[Anonymous No.16495673]

>>16495628
I think you just lack history knowledge of leftist struggles.

[Anonymous No.16495680]

>>16495673
I don't think I do

[Anonymous No.16495681]

>>16495567
>You don't need to read anything. For the alt-right of political economy already know what is to be known about Marx. He is a jew who is directly responsible for the death of 100M+ people. He might as well have dug the holes. I mean, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.16495685]

>>16495267
I was thinking the same today. It's confusing that communism appeals to anybody, but the fact that enough people fell for it to the point where it destroyed nations is mind-boggling. I just don't see the appeal at all. Put in a minimum amount of work and you will be better off than you would under gommunism. Wealth inequality is only a "big issue" because so many people CHOOSE not to work and build a future for themselves.

[Anonymous No.16495688]

[Anonymous No.16495695]

>>16495681
That pig guy is based. He's rich and doesn't give a fuck about you. To piggy you are just a lazy bum, which is true.

[Anonymous No.16495696]

>>16495685
read this
>>16495688
pretty short book but summarizes a lot of stuff you don't understand about socialist theory

[Anonymous No.16495699]

What more do you need than this chart?

[Anonymous No.16495708]

>>16495685
>destroyed nations
To paraphrase Michael Parenti:
>Socialist movements in Eastern Europe, Russia, China, Mongolia, North Korea, and Cuba, brought land reform, and human services; a dramatic bettering of the living conditions of hundreds of millions of people on a scale never before or never since witnessed in human history. Socialist movements transformed desperately poor countries into societies in which everyone had adequate food, shelter, medical care, and education… and some of us who come from poor families, who carry around the hidden injuries of class, are very impressed—are very, very impressed by these achievements, and are not willing to dismiss them as ‘economistic’. To say that socialism doesn’t ‘work’ is to overlook the fact that it did work and that it worked for hundreds of millions of people.

[Anonymous No.16495719]

>>16495267
Ted Kaczynski.

[Anonymous No.16495727]

>>16495708
The rest of the developed world managed to enter modernity without all the famines and tyranny. Communists are fucking retards

[Anonymous No.16495735]

[Anonymous No.16495738]

>>16495708
>adequate food and shelter
Is that why they all starved to death?

[Anonymous No.16495750]

So funny seeong that a board that is supposedly full of literate people have so many childish misconceptions about marxism. Have you guys actually never read socialist theory? What are you afraid of?

[Anonymous No.16495752]

>>16495685
>Just work
Yes prole, just work for me. You'll be better off, please work at my billion dollar corporation, if you behave 'profesionally' you can make it to middle management. It's simple all these socialists are lazy bums, also don't join a union because if I find out I'll make life terrible for you.

[Anonymous No.16495763]

>>16495752
Go start a business or live the woods you incompetent retard

[Anonymous No.16495765]

>>16495750
I was thinking maybe you dont have any education in the topic in the US, because it's taboo and all so you guys were never exposed to the books? Im just curious because in many other countries a question like this >>16495685 could be answered by a high schooler

[Anonymous No.16495813]

>>16495727
>>16495738
>The rest of the developed world managed to enter modernity without all the famines and tyranny.
Literally just pick up a history book, LMAO. You guys are pumped full of anticommunist propaganda.

>>16495763
>yes just start your own business prole, try out competing us. Exploit some people, where do you sit on the psychopathy scale?
Capitalism is a flawed system and we're driving ourselves into another global war, the economy is artificially pumped up, there is a global pandemic and the environment is almost fucked beyond repair. I can't understand how people are still clinging to capitalism, it's like they don't think about the future at all and don't understand what's at stake.

[Anonymous No.16495826]

Read? Why would you read if you're right-wing? Didn't the sjw owned comps make you smart enough to understand leftists politics?
Don't stress your monkey brain with political theory anon. Just keep watching steven crowder and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.16495833]

>>16495813
pandemic was caused by your commie fucks

[Anonymous No.16495855]

>>16495267
>What do I read to understand lefties?
Marx
>Why do they pretend to care about the worker class?
Loaded question.
>Why are they always intellectually dishonest?
Same thing, actually you seem either dishonest/brainwashed by storm/pol/, or intellectually dishonest yourself.
>Why are they so agressive in language despite being physically and mentally week?
The epitome of the right wing elite, the Nazi top brass, were in most cases weak üntermenschen with mongol features whose major achievement was contributing to te history of sophistry (Goebbels, etc). Stalin was actually extremely succesful as an actual revolutionary when it came to the application of brutal violence and a pretty decent theorist in philosophical matters.
>Do i need to learn the psychology of mental illnesses to understand their perspectives or will Marxist literature help?
You need to have sex lmao

[Anonymous No.16495856]

>>16495813
You sound like a low iq Soviet propaganda machine. Do you lack any trace of self awareness?

[Anonymous No.16495865]

>>16495267
Material conditions driving history can't be refuted.

[Anonymous No.16495866]

>>16495267
If you mean Marxist-Leninist theory, obviously start with Marx, Engels, Lenin, Luxemburg, Stalin, Gramsci, Mao, Deng Xiaoping, etc. If you refer to Baizuo psychosis, don't waste your time.

[Anonymous No.16495879]

>>16495267
The very top leftists are sociopaths who are laughing at all their true believer followers

[Anonymous No.16495889]

>>16495855
>Stalin was actually extremely succesful as an actual revolutionary when it came to the application of brutal violence

Yeah, those Nazis could've learned a thing or two.

[Anonymous No.16495896]

>>16495879
Ayo watchu mean?

[Anonymous No.16495929]

>>16495428
you're a fucking faggot and i will kill you for stalin, you feckless cunt

[Anonymous No.16495939]

>>16495889
>And there an open grave had been dug. And they had jump into this and lie face down. And when a certain number had already been shot, they had lie on the people who had been shot. And Himmler had never seen dead people before, and in his curiosity he was leaning over this pit, a sort of triangular hole, and looking in. While he was looking in, Himmler had the deserved bad luck, from one or another of those that had been shot in the head, that he got a splash of brains on his coat. And I think it also splashed onto his face. And he became very green and pale, he wasn’t actually sick, but he was heaving and swaying and stumbled back from this pit. Then, I lead him away from the pit.
what a pussy

[Anonymous No.16495947]

>>16495267
It's jut the negative image of protestantism. It's the safe, righteous choice. It's what you choose if you want to conform, and don't feel like thinking too hard about things. It's letting the historical current carry you along.

Although I'm sure many would argue that the people the term "leftists" call to mind are only nominally leftist.

[Anonymous No.16495955]

>>16495573
It's Fichte. Fichte taught Hegel, who inspired Marx. Fichte is responsible for the deaths of 100M+.

[Anonymous No.16495982]

>>16495763
Marxists are loosers, failure at life. Only someone who have a successful business, or at least earn good money, have a correct point of view about things. All these failures reading Marx will never be right. Only failures read Marx.

[Anonymous No.16495994]

>>16495955
Fichte in turn was created by the Prussian Goblin, who was awoken by the Scottish Blob

[Anonymous No.16496004]

>>16495994
All these people, are collectively responsible for 100M+ death. I mean, no need to read them, the figures speak for themselves.

[Anonymous No.16496016]

Why do socialists bother arguing with wage cucks or wage slavers?

It’s like trying to cure someone’s masochism fetish. just let them enjoy their shitty existence in peace

and do you really think you’re going to convince someone who’s benefiting from exploitation that exploitation is bad?

the left is too invested in bourgeoise derived concepts of morality

[Anonymous No.16496034]

>>16495982
I've seen people disagreeing with things they've read, but to not want to read and remain ignorant about a topic because you have established a fragile personal identity that depends on you being "anti-left" is a truly burger thing to do. It's almost part of American culture to be proudly ignorant I guess

[Anonymous No.16496036]

>>16495284
>>
NO PLEASE STOP
DON"T CALL ME UNATTRACTIVE
NO I CAN"t BE PHYSICALLY WEAK
MY LIFE IS TATTERED STOP

[Anonymous No.16496043]

>>16495468
unsurprising that /lit/'s worst tripfag believes noah chomsky.

[Anonymous No.16496047]

>>16495534
OH NO PLEASE DONT THREATEN TO THROW ME INTO A GULAG ON THE INTERNET. I JUST SHIZZED MYSELF.

[Anonymous No.16496062]

>>16496016
Yes. But I think American people have this way of seeing the world in which they believe they are all potential billionaires, so for them to go against the very people who are taking away 60% of their lifetime to make wealth is like taking away a friend, or someone they identify with, because they think they too can be Elon Musk if they work hard enough to climb the corporate ladder, or if they start investing the 1 thousand dollars they make a month in the stocks or something. Its a well crafted fantasy world.

[𒂊𒊑𒀁𒌅 !!ph+3gMFUUxd No.16496074]

Not really a comprehensive synopsis of leftist psychology, but Ted made a few good points:
>213. Because of their need for rebellion and for membership in a movement, leftists or persons of similar psychological type often are unattracted to a rebellious or activist movement whose goals and membership are not initially leftist. The resulting influx of leftish types can easily turn a non-leftist movement into a leftist one, so that leftist goals replace or distort the original goals of the movement.
>219. Leftism is a totalitarian force. Wherever leftism is in a position of power it tends to invade every private corner and force every thought into a leftist mold. In part this is because of the quasi-religious character of leftism: everything contrary to leftist beliefs represents Sin. MORE IMPORTANTLY, LEFTISM IS A TOTALITARIAN FORCE BECAUSE OF THE LEFTISTS' DRIVE FOR POWER. THE LEFTIST SEEKS TO SATISFY HIS NEED FOR POWER THROUGH IDENTIFICATION WITH A SOCIAL MOVEMENT AND HE TRIES TO GO THROUGH THE POWER PROCESS BY HELPING TO PURSUE AND ATTAIN THE GOALS OF THE MOVEMENT (see paragraph 83)...
Also the "Motte and Baily" is a favourite technique for lefties online. Good to know what it is so you can point it out.
>https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey

[Anonymous No.16496076]

Why would anyone want to understand leftists?

Waste of brain matter.

[Anonymous No.16496079]

>>16496062
The corporate ladder logic mostly falls apart for people when they get gigh enough in it and realize the only way to occupy the top spots on any given company is to be a heir of the company's owner. So many hard working people fired to be replaced by the CEO's fresh out of college son. A whole life wasted so someone else could accumulate money and spend it on useless crap

[𒂊𒊑𒀁𒌅 !!ph+3gMFUUxd No.16496080]

>>16496076
Because they're currently raping the west to death.

[Anonymous No.16496094]

>>16496074
psychoanalyzing somethong is a way of running from it. Its an attemp at assassination by explanation. Like Jung said, "understanding something is the possibility to get back on a track, but to explain something is arbritrary and sometimes murder. Have you counted the murderers within the scholars?"
Why don't you try to understand something instead of explaining it away? Is there something yu don't want to understand? Attachment to personal identity is an enemy of intellectual honesty

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.16496096]

>>16496043
You don’t like Chomsky’s work in linguistics?

[Anonymous No.16496124]

>>16496080
What is the west annon? Os there such a thing as west in the global system of capitalism? Is it possible to have any culture that is not a commodity? Suppose leftists didn't exist. Could you then make a unified western culture? Are the leftists those who have the power to shape culture, or maybe current culture and the decline of traditional values is a result of the current economical and historical conditions of the world? How can you have the culture of an 17th century farmer if you live in an urban city working in an office 9 hours a day,? Would it be western culture or just a charicature of it?

[Anonymous No.16496174]

>>16496080
Totally. Lol at those retards who thinks it's Capitalism who is responsible for mass immigration, feminism, LGBT culture. Some leftist retards say that mass immigration is done in order to lower the wages, and make more profit. Fucking liars. It's done only because the jews and their leftist dogs want to destroy the white race. Right?

[𒂊𒊑𒀁𒌅 !!ph+3gMFUUxd No.16496181]

>>16496094
>Why don't you try to understand something instead of explaining it away?
This was the intention of my Tedposting. I think it's useful to make a "leftist" someone who can be (somewhat) easily identified. Of course there are major differences among individual "leftists", but I still think there is some merit to establishing some kind of vague taxonomy. My basic reason for this is making my life easier. If I can identify leftist characteristics in someone then I am better equip to deal with them in the least painful way possible. It also helps with sifting through people in regard to starting interpersonal or romantic relationships.
>>16496124
I was mainly referring to the widespread oikophobia among leftists which has a hugely negative influence on "the west" (which I suppose we could vaguely describe as European-originating liberal democracies). Don't get me wrong I'm not a democratic chauvinist or anything like that, I just think reform is a better alternative to the outright dismantling that so many leftists seem to like.

[Anonymous No.16496182]

>>16496096
Start with English grammar before taking up linguistics.

[Anonymous No.16496188]

>>16496174
It's done to preempt any possibility of Fascism returning by having a multiracial population. The capitalists are happy to go along for the cheap labor but they didn't set it in motion.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.16496196]

>>16496182
Too late.

The issue ITT is the use of “leftist” when referring to liberals. Tradcucks think there’s no difference between liberals, communists, Leninists, and hell, they completely ignore anarchism. They ought to study some English and linguistics

[Anonymous No.16496200]

>>16496181
>I just think reform
Yes. We need to reform Capitalism. It has never been tried really. This time it will work. All we need is a strong, incorruptible leader, who kills all the jews, niggers, and the world will be a paradise.
Fuck those Marxist and their tendency of the rate of profit to fall. That doesn't make any sense.
A strong, powerful, white leader. That's all we need.

[Anonymous No.16496210]

>>16496124
cont.
In the same way feminism didn't arrive from the will of certain individuals to become feminist. Feminism only makes sense if you see that after the 60s in America, a single working person was becoming increasingly unable to sustain an entire family. When it made economical sense for women to work as men, feminism arised. That is how human culture is shaped. Not by the will of individuals but by the way of living of each community.
Take traditional western culture. It only makes sense insofar as traditional ways of life and production exist. Could you make a festivity around the fire, singing folk songs and drinking with the whole village if you live in an appartment building in NYC in 2020? You probably don't even know who your neighbors are. Yet you try to replicate an extremely community oriented traditional culture which is traditional western culture. My point is that a culture only arises when the ways of living of a comunity allow for it. Even if there were no leftists, it is impossible to have traditional western culture in current urban capitalist society, and even though it may look like individuals have a strong impact on culture, things like feminism, LGBT and black rights movement only happen because there are economical and historical conditions that allow them to exist.

[Anonymous No.16496211]

>>16496196
Real anarchism isn't leftist.

[Anonymous No.16496212]

>>16496188
Totally agree. They don't really care if 1% of immigration increase equal 1% of decrease of labor price.
The absolute priority is to avoid the return of fascism. That really scare the jews and those liberals. Capitalism is not responsible. We need to return to tradition. Yes going back like life was 400 years ago, in the 16th century. That was tradition.

[Anonymous No.16496214]

>>16496196
Yeah because everyone is an undereducated burger like you

[Anonymous No.16496224]

>>16495267
lefties mainly just criticize the prevalent status quo; they are usually better at being in touch with the physical world and finding errors in ideas and institutions. Don't expect them to repair stuff and make things better though.

[Anonymous No.16496240]

>>16496212
And how would you do that? Can you erase history and economy and act like the last 5 centuries didn't exist? How would you convince business owners (without any sort of revolution) that people that live today in cities working 9 hors a day making them a big amount of profit now need to be farmers because reasons? People were taken out of farms because of the development of capitalism. Google "enclosures in England". Every culture fits its economic system. Current multiculturalism, LGBT rights and whatnot is the logical culture that fits into urban, globalist neoliberal capitalist system. Trying to replicate traditional western culture is to just make a caricature of it.

[Anonymous No.16496243]

>>16496212
You're clearly attempting to make some lame joke, but the architects of mass immigration into the West were all driven by anti-fascist ideology. The 1965 Hart-Celler act explicitly turned over what it saw as a racist immigration policy.

[Anonymous No.16496273]

>>16496181
Your viewpoint is almost completely based on identitarianism, and not on intellectual interest. Its so interesting seeing that anti-leftists criticize what they call identity politics but fail to realize all current politics in neoliberal society are itentity politics, left or right. You talk about taxonomy of a leftist, in tipifying and categorizing identities. An in this aspect you try to keep inside a specific identity category that is the "anti leftist". This is so powerful to you that you dont even want to read about marxism because of the risk that if you do agree with something you read there it might shatter your fragile personal identity you've based around politics.

[Anonymous No.16496277]

>>16496240
>People were taken out of farms because of the development of capitalism.
Enough of this primitive accumulation bullshit. Capitalism brought only prosperity. I mean even kids were allowed to work in factories. Prime minister of Malaysia bad.
>Current multiculturalism, LGBT rights
Jooz. Only jooz. The multimillenarian Sanhedrin is strong in race. Everything is happening as planned, since millenas.
>Trying to replicate traditional western culture is to just make a caricature of it.
We will have a trad life, and a trad wife. A white male, muscular and beefy leader with a strong torso, and huge arms. We will love him like a father, and go to work with a smile on our face.

[Anonymous No.16496297]

>>16496243
>the architects of mass immigration into the West were all driven by anti-fascist ideology.
No shit. I wonder if it is because anti-fascist is anti-immigration. Are they pro-immigration because they are anti-fascist, or anti-fascist because they are pro-immigration?
Seriously you dumb fuck they don't give a shit about fascism, they make trillions out of mass immigration. Mussulini got into power supported by Capitalists and free-masons. Same for the cuck Hitler, who decapitated the SA in 1934 in order to please the Capital, like the little lackey he was.

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>>16496243
And yet there are economical conditions which allow there to exist anti racism and for it to make economical sense in a globalist neoliberal economic system. If the current economic system benefitted from a racially homogenous society people would apply politics to encourage it, simply because it would get companies more money. In our case however, a racially diverse population is beneficial to neoliberal globalist capitalism, and that is why it exists

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>>16496297
They cared enough about Fascism to completely eradicate it from the world in a devastating war. Hitler didn't want to fight England or the US, and their biggest problem with him was not any concern for Poland(lmao) it was because he wouldn't play along with their banking system.

[Anonymous No.16496335]

>>16496310
>he wouldn't play along with their banking system.
That's true. But Hitler didn't abolish money, or even usury. He still acted like a jew.
>They cared enough about Fascism to completely eradicate it from the world in a devastating war.
Strange, because WWI happened, and Germany wasn't fascist. Word war happened, because 2 poles of high tech Capitalism were in rivalry. Not because one was fascist or whatever else. If it were republican, royalist, or fascist, it didn't matter. The anglo supremacy was threatened, germany had to be destroyed, and conquered.

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>>16496335
And what they didn't consider the USSR a threat to global capitalism? Why did they help them

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>>16496310
Fascism is idealist nonsense, what's the appeal? How will it make society better? It's retarded.

[Anonymous No.16496367]

>>16496343
USSR wasn't a technological pole. It had archaic technology. Stalin was financed by america. Russia still isn't today a technological pole. The true ennemy of america today is still europa, and especially germany. A unified europa-russia would overthrow the anglos. That's why they try to prevent it from happening with the european union, and the tensions in Ukraine, to prevent a europe-russia alliance.

[Anonymous No.16496392]

There's a process I've observed that's been intensifying these last few years. Communists and Fascists are each trying to gaslight the other into thinking that their ideology is the only way to stand against global liberal capitalism. Is the Red-Brown Alliance going to be a thing? Socialism in One Country? Strasserites going to get their revenge this time? Seems like it could happen

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>>16495505
maybe he is talking about it contextually, like voting for hitler back then could have seemed rational or some shit, but now there is no excuse to vote for trump with the internet or some shit.

[Anonymous No.16496405]

>>16496346
Fascism was literally compatible with Capitalism. Except today, with the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, and the rate of profit which is super low, and falling, Capitalism cannot afford to have an ideology, fascism, which is anti-immigration. Thus, Capitalism is anti-fascism, because immigration must happen. If, for whatever reason, fascism was good for Capitalism, it would have been rehabilitated long ago.

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>>16495267
read theory chud

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>>16496181
>>16496196
TWO tripfags in one thread. oh my lord.

[Anonymous No.16496497]

>>16496096
No I just have a few braincells attached to my cranium so I recognize that all of Chomskys writing is pure farce.

[Anonymous No.16496505]

>>16496392
The difference is fascism is just naive politics. Its not a political science, its a way of coping with capitalist reality. There is no fascist theory of economics. The thing is that sometimes people have a discomfort with current society but are coaxed into fascism due to a lack of education combined with 21st century identitarianism. Honest marxism is a robust theory of economics history and anthropology, and wether you agree with it or not it comes from a place of trying to systematize capitalism, instead of the purely symbolic and aesthetical entity that is fascism.

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>>16496405
You know I'm a right-wing maga(NOT MIGA)chud but when you put it like this I can understand the apocalyptic language all those French lefties used in the 80s and 90s. Capitalism imposed impossible conditions on western natives (white people). We need perpetual growth, ever more producers and consumers, and guess what, women need to work! When you combine these it's totally obvious why replacement migration is happening. Liberal capitalism really is a kind of death cult in this way. In a real sense it demands the infusion of foreign blood or migrant workers, who will in the end be ground down to nothing just like we were (and are). I believe the data is already there to show that second gen immigrants don't breed at replacement level. Our nations really have become death vortexes. And hilariously our resident pro-immigrationists (leftists?) are the most fervent proponents of the capitalist death vortex. In fact, they go out of their way to ferry brown producerconsumers to their eventual death and extinction, as literal sacrifices to slake the thirst of the GDP machine. The only way out of this really is an apocalypse

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>>16496533
based

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>>16495708
>land reform
Ie communists and socialists stole from the intelligent classes, generally by murdering them, and redistributed the wealth in an age of modernisation, industrialisation and internationalism, thereby hopping on to trends that already existed.

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>>16496211
There’s a variety, and they’re all anti capitalist. Which is a prerequisite for my definition of leftism. In a way you’re right and the left right dichotomy is too simplistic

>>16496214
>Big brain Aussie has arrived.

>>16496497
Tankie?

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>>16496505
The Fascists just didn't agree with the Marxist understanding of capitalism, specifically they saw the major exploitation in usury.

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>>16496544
the intelligent classes kek

[Anonymous No.16496562]

>>16496505
>its a way of coping with capitalist reality.
This. It is cope. Fascist are so weak, prone to cognitive dissonance, refuse to admit that they cannot abolish Capitalism, that they only PRETEND, to do something against it. It's only costumes, goose stepping, LARP flags, and opera speeches done by Mk ultra, Tavistock institute Jakob Hitler. Same for Bolshevism, to be clear.

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>>16496554
If they saw major exploitation in usury why didn't they make any effort to stop it? "Usury" isn't even a term used in marxist economics so I don't know how that xomparison makes sense

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>>16496552
>>Big brain Aussie has arrived.
Don't insult me with refugee plebeians.

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>>16496533
>Our nations really have become death vortexes.
Capitalism is a death vortex. It creates and destroy. It doesn't make any sense really. I'm not even sure the elite realize what is happening.

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>>16496554
Usury is Capitalism. Current, and even Marx's era Capitalism, couldn't even function without usury.

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>>16496568
They did make just such an effort, they got rid of the central bank and lent money out to the population at zero interest. I don't know about marxism but I know Bakunin criticized Marx for being too friendly with the idea of central banking.

[Anonymous No.16496648]

>>16496588
Usury is just the simplest instance of surplus value. If fascists realized exploitation in usury they just saw a single piece of the complex economic system that makes up capitalism. However they could not see past this simplistic instance of exploitation because fascism is not an economic theory, but an aesthetic. If anything fascism tried to replicate middle age catholic moralism by condemning usury, while doing nothing to combat it

[Anonymous No.16496653]

>>16496648
They didn't like usury, landlordism, etc. because they saw them as parasitic behaviors, producing nothing, leeching wealth. They didn't think that applied to all of capitalism, especially if the state could force the capitalists to behave a bit.

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>>16496618
This just means planned economy. Its an economic maneuver in order to get the markets flowing after the wars, similar to the emergency aid many capitalist countries are giving to the population because of the coronavirus crisis. It does nothing to combat exploitation on a systemic level, as usury is just an instance of a more complex system of exploitation that is the use of surplus value.

[Anonymous No.16496673]

>>16496653
>They didn't like usury, landlordism, etc. because they saw them as parasitic behaviors, producing nothing, leeching wealth.
How about the owners of the means of production leeching wealth from the working class, taking surplus value, which is profit. How is that acceptable for fascists?

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>>16495267
lol what a buncha nerds
cant you get your dicks wet while running trains on some thots with your bros lmao?

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>>16496653
>the state could force the capitalists to behave a bit.
The State is the lackey of Capitalism. Always has been. Profit. Only profit.

[Anonymous No.16496693]

>>16496673
Because it is producing something, you just disagree about where the value is coming from. Usury literally produces nothing at all. You should be able to see the difference between these two things even if you think the former is also exploitation.

[Anonymous No.16496697]

>>16496680
That's myopic. Power is more complicated than people with wealth just buying their way.

[Anonymous No.16496713]

>>16496693
Capitalism couldn't function as fast without usury. Without usury, it would be considerably slowed down.
In fact, it is not even possible for Capitalism to function today without usury, because you don't know it, but we probably already have reached the limits of Capitalism. Meaning, Capitalism couldn't renew itself, and accumulate, without fictitious credit. Meaning, without money printing, quantitative easing, Capitalism would have crashed totally, already, without any possibility to recover. This is due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. There is currently profit, but it is fictitious (money printing).

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>>16496697
>Power is more complicated than people with wealth just buying their way.
The hand that gives is always over the hand that receives. (Napoleon).

[Anonymous No.16496736]

>>16496713
The entire point of the Fascist economic project was for capitalism to function without usury, and it worked fine. Qathafi did something similar, for similar reasons, and was dealt with in a similar fashion.

[Anonymous No.16496742]

>>16495695
Based and porkypilled

[Anonymous No.16496745]

>>16495267
lol bro they are literally autists who lost in the genetics game

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>>16495444
You are an incel

[Anonymous No.16496787]

>>16496736
>>Capitalism couldn't function as fast without usury. Without usury, it would be considerably slowed down.
In fact, it is not even possible for Capitalism to function today without usury, because you don't know it, but we probably already have reached the limits of Capitalism. Meaning, Capitalism couldn't renew itself, and accumulate, without fictitious credit. Meaning, without money printing, quantitative easing, Capitalism would have crashed totally, already, without any possibility to recover. This is due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. There is currently profit, but it is fictitious (money printing).
>The entire point of the Fascist economic project was for capitalism to function without usury, and it worked fine. Qathafi did something similar, for similar reasons, and was dealt with in a similar fashion.
Okay you didn't understand. Is this fascist limit? Perhaps. Sure, it's not Nietzche or Evola, those retard idealists, who would explain you the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

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>>16496787
>>Capitalism couldn't function as fast without usury. Without >>usury, it would be considerably slowed down.
>>In fact, it is not even possible for Capitalism to function today >>without usury, because you don't know it, but we probably >>already have reached the limits of Capitalism. Meaning, >>Capitalism couldn't renew itself, and accumulate, without >>fictitious credit. Meaning, without money printing, quantitative >>easing, Capitalism would have crashed totally, already, without >>any possibility to recover. This is due to the tendency of the rate >>of profit to fall. There is currently profit, but it is fictitious (money >>printing).
>The entire point of the Fascist economic project was for capitalism to function without usury, and it worked fine. Qathafi did something similar, for similar reasons, and was dealt with in a similar fashion.
Okay you didn't understand. Is this fascist limit? Perhaps. Sure, it's not Nietzche or Evola, those retard idealists, who would explain you the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

[Anonymous No.16496804]

>>16496787
I'm telling you you're wrong because it worked fine, the example in Libya was quite recent. It doesn't even make any sense, there are no 'limits' to be reached, you are absolutely spooked by Marxist teleology which you treat like some kind of hard science when it's not.

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>>16496505
>>16496562
I only accept this criticism if it intends to show that Fascism does not have the firepower to overthrow capitalism. The embedded claim that I don't agree with is that Fascism=Capitalism. Fascists and really the "Ur-right" seek to elevate some value or being that is conceived of (by us) as transcendent over the consequentialist consumer ethics of capitalism and the "a world of universally fulfilled vital needs" ethics of communism.

This is what I think leftists really fail to understand, and I suspect it's because they don't take human difference seriously. I think at the core of their thought leftists believe something like "man shall live by bread alone". That's the only way I can rationalize why leftists think that the point of life is to have access to vital resources. What do you say to someone that wants to heed the omens of his local druid? Someone that wants to feel hot blood running down his arm? Someone who wants his whole world to occur in the hills and dells around his place of birth? Who wants foreignness and magic to exist? The leftist has nothing to offer these people, which is why, I assume, the slander of irrationalism and miseducation is laid upon us. You see us as demons and defective beings worthy only of murder or indoctrination into the ethics of the satisfaction of vital needs because the world you want to build has nothing to offer us.

To bring this back around to the central point of Fascism, I'd say that that particular movement's attempt to restore meaning to the world by nothing but force of will or "aesthetics" did indeed fail, but the need that Fascism was the outward expression of is still very much alive. That's why I think a total revolution is always going to smell like Fascism, thanks for reading my blog

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>>16496752

[Anonymous No.16496835]

>>16496804
You are unread. The machines are becoming more and more prevalent in production. Constant Capital (machines), is becoming relatively bigger than variable Capital. However, machines don't create value, thus, profit decrease, up to a point where, combined with market saturation, Capital cannot renew itself. That's literally what is happening currently. If you don't understand, you don't understand. HEIL HITLER!!! Der Fuhrer des deutschen Jungen. Did you understand this?

[Anonymous No.16496852]

>>16496835
Why don't machines create value? They pretty clearly do. It's not about Hitler, he's just an example, I really don't go in for any of the Nazi Aryan mythos. Again look at Libya.

[Anonymous No.16496890]

>>16496820
It's not like the base determines the superstructure. You have mass cognitive dissonance, because you want to join something like Capitalism, and druidism, together. That doesn't make any sense, and it's a pure intellectual construction. Capitalism doesn't produce people who want to feel hot blood on their arms, it produces people who want to watch netflix with an Ubereats Macdonalds.
Yet you people are total failure at understanding that Capitalism create the current ideology, and not vice versa.

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>>16496852
The tendency of rate of profit to fall is an universal law of Capitalism. 1933-1945 Germany, Gaddafhi Libya, whatever. It is not possible to avoid it. It's unironically inevitable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall
>Why don't machines create value?
Machines only transfer their own value into a product. They don't create new value. Only human work can create new value. Capitalism work by stealing work, value created, from workers, the surplus value, which is profit, and reinvesting this Capital to create more Capital.

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>>16496890
Yeah I know that. I'm not trying to defend Capitalism, I'm trying to contest the typical construction leftists use of "fascism is capitalism in decay" or whatever. I suppose Fascists did protect Capitalism insofar as a market economy was part of the "normal situation" that Fascists have a psychological commitment to, but they also held aspirations (territorialism, mysticism, racism) that history has shown to be ultimately incompatible with pure Capitalism, since liberal capitalist societies today reject Fascist ethics so totally. And what are you saying there about base and superstructure, I thought Marxist historical materialism says that superstructures have their utmost origin in economic conditions/oppression?

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>>16496556
Yeah rich generally equals smart since that's how genetics works. Studies on gulags have found that towns were intelligent dissidents were imprisoned increased the general economic prospects of a town 75 years later. Same thing in China wherein those targeted by the cultural revolution eventually ended up prosperous again.

[Anonymous No.16497362]

>>16495826
>bro i'll totally usher in an ebin utopia trust me
>all you have to do is give my party ultimate power
>but wait don't worry it'll be totally sick i swear
>after you give us total power we'll totally make everything super awesome and everything will be super sweet
>WE SWEAR!
Marxism is a nigerian prince scam.

[Anonymous No.16497374]

This thread was made by an American.

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>>16496080
Please stop making us gay