Carlyle's rejection of Utilitarianism, "Pig philosophy".

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>Thomas Carlyle had called Bentham’s utilitarianism “a philosophy fit for swine,”
>Mill responded that “it is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied,”

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From Carlyle's Latter-Day Pamphlets chapter 8; Jesuitism.

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>>16473631
He needs to calm down a bit doesn't he. Is he the questioner or the respondent here?

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Ay nigga be spillin

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>He needs to calm down a bit doesn't he.

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>>16474485
I always feel appreciated when someone soijacks me

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>>16474466
These are the thoughts of pigs anon. Though it's easy to miss the linguistic subtlety in which Carlyle is using here, without which it would be mistaken for something much simpler, and therefore unnecessarily longer.

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He is upset about the idea that everybody would get into heaven right? I remember him getting angry in another essay about 'hatred of scoundrels', ie. he thought society was being too nice to criminals and the like.

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>>16474496
What? Anon you do know what Utilitarianism is? The mention of heaven is just a smaller example of the pig mentality in the whole joke.

I should say Carlyle's use of irony actually shows parallel to Kierkegaard.

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But that is his position correct? He doesn't like the universalist approach to either religion or rehabilitation.

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Funny how pigs don't seem to need to be managed. They each just go after what they want until they hit an obstacle, and then either overcome it, or become a pig that doesn't need it.

Unlike humans, they don't seem to create their obstacles themselves, nor reward the ones that fuck over the most of their own kind.

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>>16473604
Lame-o

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Sure, but even in that single mention it is just a fractal of the whole paragraph. But he's not against "universalism" in religion or rehabilitation, he merely has a different definition of what they mean. Just look at this, when speaking of Dante:

>I do not agree with much modern criticism, in greatly preferring the Inferno to the two other parts of the Divine Commedia. Such preference belongs, I imagine, to our general Byronism of taste, and is like to be a transient feeling. The Purgatorio and Paradiso, especially the former, one would almost say, is even more excellent than it. It is a noble thing that Purgatorio, "Mountain of Purification;" an emblem of the noblest conception of that age. If sin is so fatal, and Hell is and must be so rigorous, awful, yet in Repentance too is man purified; Repentance is the grand Christian act. It is beautiful how Dante works it out. The tremolar dell' onde, that "trembling" of the ocean-waves, under the first pure gleam of morning, dawning afar on the wandering Two, is as the type of an altered mood. Hope has now dawned; never-dying Hope, if in company still with heavy sorrow. The obscure sojourn of demons and reprobate is underfoot; a soft breathing of penitence mounts higher and higher, to the Throne of Mercy itself. "Pray for me," the denizens of that Mount of Pain all say to him. "Tell my Giovanna to pray for me," my daughter Giovanna; "I think her mother loves me no more!" They toil painfully up by that winding steep, "bent down like corbels of a building," some of them,—crushed together so "for the sin of pride;" yet nevertheless in years, in ages and aeons, they shall have reached the top, which is heaven's gate, and by Mercy shall have been admitted in. The joy too of all, when one has prevailed; the whole Mountain shakes with joy, and a psalm of praise rises, when one soul has perfected repentance and got its sin and misery left behind! I call all this a noble embodiment of a true noble thought.

I don't think it is necessary to say anything else.

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