Book that refutes this and other similar arguments?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:25:54 2020 No.16466712 [DELETED]

Book that refutes this and other similar arguments?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:27:37 2020 No.16466720 File: 40 KB, 917x1661, 1601211329535.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >b-but the nice men in the suit employed the slaves who made your iPhone in China

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:28:33 2020 No.16466728 >>16466712 my diary desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:29:12 2020 No.16466731 >>16466712 Imagine being Arthur Chu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:29:17 2020 No.16466732 Is this the Jeopardy guy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:29:24 2020 No.16466734 File: 51 KB, 748x714, 1584735501483.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16466720 >iPhone in China Sorry buddy but the 2020s belong to India

>>	SAGE Mon Sep 28 19:29:54 2020 No.16466740 File: 79 KB, 688x971, Gelbooru jiji 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder to sage, hide and report Twitter screencap threads

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:31:18 2020 No.16466748 >>16466712 their would be no motivation to make iphones under communism

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:32:16 2020 No.16466752 >>16466712 Someone came up with the idea, someone took the risks to act on it etc etc Socialist are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:32:42 2020 No.16466755 >>16466712 just send him a pic of your BBC

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:36:06 2020 No.16466766 >>16466712 None because you can't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:36:27 2020 No.16466769 File: 76 KB, 600x855, BmdbhaMIMAAu78n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16466755 This lmao dicklets shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions on any topic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:36:47 2020 No.16466771 >>16466712 Only an invention like an iPhone would be seen as a necessity under a system like capitalism. Why do you think 3rd worlders don't have iPhones? It's not because of costs or lack of resources.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:37:10 2020 No.16466774 An individual conceptualized the iPhone, not the State. Fucking commies need to start living in fear again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:40:38 2020 No.16466797 >>16466769 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:40:47 2020 No.16466798 >>16466748 How do you know

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:42:41 2020 No.16466807 >>16466771 >It's not because of costs or lack of resources. It's literally those

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:43:35 2020 No.16466813 >>16466798 Pls elaborate what incentive a communist state would have to create new consumer demands that didnt already exist

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:49:19 2020 No.16466847 >>16466712 Das kapital

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:50:15 2020 No.16466854

>>16466712
>>16466734
Honestly these greedy capitalist fags need to dial it down or get roped. Art has become a pursuit of profit now and science is slowly becoming more about control than enlightenment. They need to stay away from my country as shitty as it is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:53:41 2020 No.16466867 >>16466712 There is no argument that refutes this

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:54:40 2020 No.16466874

>>16466807
It's literally not. Plent of poo in loos, Africans, and 3rd wordlers have iPhones. Hell even niggers in America have them. It's literallt because they are useless pieces garbage which only serve as a status symbol. It's the same reasons why niggers on welfare drive Audiis and sports cars instead of moving out of the hood.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 19:54:44 2020 No.16466875 >>16466854 Read Ruskin's On Art and Life if you want to learn about what art should be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:03:22 2020 No.16466914 >>16466748 But there is an incentive to assemble them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:03:35 2020 No.16466917 >>16466813 Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:05:09 2020 No.16466921 >>16466712 >someone has read Kaczynski based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:08:28 2020 No.16466942 >>16466712 Arthur Chu is a Faggot: Volume 1

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:09:37 2020 No.16466949 >>16466712 What about archu d2 and he's a robot covered in ants

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:27:03 2020 No.16467042 >>16466813 People are intrinsically driven to be different than the norm with or without money involved.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:29:07 2020 No.16467058 >>16466752 Apple profited from gov. funded investments. Telecommunications, internet, satellites, etc. They then used gov. courts to have a monopoly. Then used slave labor, and hid all taxes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:31:31 2020 No.16467065 >>16466712 >refutes this It's literally the definition of capitalism and socialism, dumbfuck. You can't "refute" it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:38:43 2020 No.16467098 >>16466712 >Implying people get paid under socialism I'm so fucking tired.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:39:26 2020 No.16467100 >>16467042 not when it gets you thrown into the gulag

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:41:44 2020 No.16467108 File: 438 KB, 718x723, 1596142100770.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this the daily coping Marxists thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:42:48 2020 No.16467112 >>16466748 why? there would be demand

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:43:50 2020 No.16467119 >>16466813 >new consumer demands phones are not new consumer demands. also the last thing we need is new consumer demands. lay off the helium, nick land

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:45:09 2020 No.16467125 >>16467112 communism doesn't give a fuck about demand, the bureau of phones decides what's made, if there are shortages so be it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:45:30 2020 No.16467126 >>16467108 >What is private ownership of MoP

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:47:03 2020 No.16467131 So people who design new shit just do it out of the kindness of their hearts in communism and workers get all the tendies because they did the labor?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:47:10 2020 No.16467132 >>16466949 Hell yeah dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:47:54 2020 No.16467137 >>16466813 >Thinks increasing the gap between exchange-value and use-value is a strength rather than a weakness

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:49:04 2020 No.16467144 >>16467131 Yes. Do research, it's already the case that most worthwhile innovation is done for reasons other than profit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:53:23 2020 No.16467165 >>16467144 >Do research Done. I learned that the vast majority of communist projects failed and Western civilization rejected communism.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:53:34 2020 No.16467166

>>16466712
You know what I really really really hate? People who use the term capitalism alone. There are so many versions of capitalism, and it’s ACTUALLY bourgeoise tactic to group them all into one and blame Laissez-faire so you can still keep your power.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:55:53 2020 No.16467177 >>16467144 Well most of our chemistry comes from Germans trying to create drugs, so is German Imperialism the way to go? They were making artificial fertilizer while the USSR was trying out Lamarckism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:57:43 2020 No.16467191 >>16467166 Based and redpilled. Corporations promote government interventions for more bailouts. They pretend this is socialism and they are against capitalism.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:59:41 2020 No.16467197

>>16467131
>So people who design new shit just do it out of the kindness of their hearts
Not kindness. As I said earlier, people WANT to be viewed differently with or without money involved. The motivation to create new stuff is embedded to our nature.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:59:54 2020 No.16467198 >>16467108 theres such a thing as market socialism this cartoon is a strawman, 90% of small business owners are cokehead trust fund children and peabrained immigrants with slave abuse fantasies

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:02:35 2020 No.16467218 >>16467042 So?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:04:28 2020 No.16467227

Behold, the glory of CHINESE construction, brought to you by the People's People Person's Republic of China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmlG1FMiP4

There are so many videos of shitty chinese construction. Go ask /pol/ for some webm's. The whole country is a joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:06:44 2020 No.16467240 >>16467198 >this cartoon is a strawman, only my strawman is correct

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:06:59 2020 No.16467242

>>16467119
Everything was new at some point. The iPhone sold well because it created a demand consumers did not even know they wanted satisfied, and now all new phones are based off of its design. As Ford said, "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said they wanted a faster horse."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:09:07 2020 No.16467254 >>16467137 Cool non-answer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:09:37 2020 No.16467261 >>16467042 Translate "money" to "power" which is what it really comes down to and you're dead fucking wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:12:15 2020 No.16467277 >>16467165 >Done. Doesn't seem like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:13:34 2020 No.16467285 >>16467218 So that drive to be different would be the incentive

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:15:54 2020 No.16467304

>>16466748
This. If communism 'won' the 20th century, there would be no fucking smart phones. Even if they invented cell phones for government practicality purpose, there would be no incentive to improve them to the point where they can be used for entertainment.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:17:02 2020 No.16467314
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>Komarov was selected to command the Soyuz 1, in 1967, with Yuri Gagarin as his backup cosmonaut. Both knew the space capsule was not safe to fly, but Soviet officials refused to delay or cancel the launch.

>If Komarov refused to pilot, his best friend Yuri would be forced to take his place on the suicide mission, Knowing he would die, Komarov went under the condition that he have an open casket funeral.

>Komarov demanded it personally because he wanted to send a message to the government officials who had caused his death. He knew the capsule was unsafe and that he would very likely die, he knew he would not be returning alive so he made the demand before launching. His final “revenge” was forcing his superiors to look at what they had done.

Now make my iPhone by dipping your bare hands into liquid nitrogen, labor comrade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:18:08 2020 No.16467323 >>16466720 What is this even supposed to mean? There are a metric fuck-ton of far right wingers who are staunchly anti-capitalist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:19:40 2020 No.16467332 >>16467198 >90% of small business owners are cokehead trust fund children I can't believe I'm going to say something so uncouth and pedestrian but... Can I get a source on that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:19:43 2020 No.16467333 >>16467304 good

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:19:57 2020 No.16467335 >>16466712 Labour only happens because of inbuilt structures that force it to work, and so, like the hand holding the bullwhip, rent is ultimately solely responsible for production.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:20:50 2020 No.16467339 https://voca.ro/15DDoDfeeULI

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:22:13 2020 No.16467343 >>16467285 A communist state would set up new production lines, change its production practices, develop new technologies, to satisfy some bourgeois notion of individuality? Not likely. The USSR did not produce cars in more than one color.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:23:20 2020 No.16467349 >>16467323 It means he put a lot of work into that doodle and wanted an excuse to post it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:24:16 2020 No.16467358 >>16467323 Fascist political economy is just the government coming in and saving capitalism while killing all real socialist and communist in their own country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:25:22 2020 No.16467361 >>16467333 I would agree with you if your reason for believing this to be good was valid. It likely isn't. Explain further.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:27:27 2020 No.16467370 >>16466748 True, only free and open source hardware software phones without spy ware designed by an international team of engineers who continuously improve it and manufactured locally decentrally all across the world giving people jobs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:28:49 2020 No.16467372 >>16467358 Maybe capitalism is worth saving and communists are worth killing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:29:37 2020 No.16467373 >>16466813 Literally almost every technology in an iphone comes from government military development.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:30:09 2020 No.16467376 >>16467370 And cute girlfriends and unlimited tendies for everyone!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:31:32 2020 No.16467391 https://voca.ro/1hrkDrEPMsEr

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:36:14 2020 No.16467422

Every element of an iphone came out of R&D that occurred in the state sector, usually thanks to massive amounts of money and resources being poured into unprofitable ventures that were motivated by the search for military and geopolitical power over competing nations. Pure markets are good at refining things into consumer products but they kinda suck at actually inventing revolutionary new technologies.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:37:31 2020 No.16467431

>>16467058
>Apple profited from gov. funded investments. Telecommunications, internet, satellites
Absolutely, all these things existed long before Apple was created, and yet it took until 2007 for someone to successfully release the first smartphone.

>used government to have a monopoly
All monopolies exist thanks to government.

>slave labor
Don't see how that's relevant
>hid all taxes
Taxation is theft.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:38:06 2020 No.16467434 >>16467373 And a state actor would have combined these technologies into a new consumer product and sold them to the public why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:43:38 2020 No.16467453 If you think only labor made the iphone you are fucking delusional.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:53:00 2020 No.16467493 >>16467434 No some engineer designs it and then uses democracy to allocate resource to build a worker coop that manufactures phones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:54:08 2020 No.16467500 >>16466712 But would that labor ever have been used towards the creation of a pocket entertainment device if it weren't for capitalistic incentives?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:55:47 2020 No.16467506 Why do retarded marxists refuse to acknowledge that there are more kinds of labor than just manual? An iphone is not built by putting together pieces that grow from a tree

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:08:05 2020 No.16467553 >>16467323 The right plays the biggest role in upholding capitalism through its support for free markets and the status quo.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:11:07 2020 No.16467568

>>16466712
Labor makes the iphone in the same way that a muscle fiber in the body makes a dancer move. It is wrong to say the fiber is responsible for the movements, as it is ultimately controlled by the nervous system and the coordination of the entire musculoskeletal system.
Capitalism organizes all the information, intelligence, resources, logistics, and personnel to make the iphone. The otherwise oblivious factory workers whose entire job is to put one little component in the exact same spot all day, are merely links in a chain of production that they would not be able to work without and which would not be able to work without them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:11:35 2020 No.16467570 >>16467358 Where did I say anything about fascism? Also, if someone "saved capitalism" by fixing all of its flaws (unlikely but for the sake of discourse) then why would you be opposed to it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:12:10 2020 No.16467572 File: 657 KB, 848x761, 1589030898875.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16466712 Capitalism recognizes my labor is worth more than some stupid mouth breather's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:14:31 2020 No.16467584 >>16467570 The right isn't anti-capitalist, unless you're talking about monarchist who want to go back to feudalism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:14:57 2020 No.16467587 >>16467304 And that's a very good thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:18:53 2020 No.16467615 >>16467570 >then why would you be opposed to it Because capitalism inherently has flaws, what I meant by saved is bringing the economy back from crash. https://youtu.be/HpqwDo_2xck

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:26:55 2020 No.16467650

>>16466748
It is a bit shallow argument. If you think about it, it is how we learnt. When I had Mankiw economy 101 course, it felt like I was really learning how real life works but after 4-5 years I can realize that we born into a society which has already like this and it has became norm for all of us. Jumping to a higher class is impossible, most of the people think that hard working will reward us but it only allows us to get exploited more. I am not saying be a lazy fuck but you have see that it is a norm because you born into this system not because it is natural or good for us. You are just accepting that some people make you pay for "his" land which he somehow got when you werent even born. There are tons of flaws and you can even see when people had time and comfort real social and technological progress happened only exception is wars. System makes you think that nothing but money matters or motivates but if you look around there are tons of people with ambition who would be passionate about what they are doing. Just try to ignore what system forced on us. Its worse than peer pressure, we automatically assume everything is right in capitalist way, people are tricked into hardworking with dreams of getting rich but you can see it is bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:28:05 2020 No.16467655 >>16466748 And that's a good thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:30:23 2020 No.16467664 File: 18 KB, 315x499, 41VetbPJxYL._SX313_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The book the btfo's libertarians, gay progressives, socialists, and anyone not blackpilled.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:30:38 2020 No.16467666 >>16466712 This thread is cringe. /lit/ should not talk about economics. I bet they don't even know what the difference between net margin and gross margin is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:32:02 2020 No.16467680 >>16467666 Where is a good place for it anyways?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:32:19 2020 No.16467682 >>16467664 Supplement it with The Report from Iron Mountain

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:32:54 2020 No.16467685 >>16467666 profits vs sales, not hard to graps

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:33:47 2020 No.16467688 >>16467666 Profit should be abolished, bootlicker.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:35:46 2020 No.16467700

The tweet is stupid because labor makes everything in any circumstance. To get anything productive done requires labor, it's a tautology to say labor made something.

Does he think those factory workers actually know how to construct an iphone? That they deserve all the credit? No single person knows how to build an iphone. It's a basic economic principle of the division of labor. One person had the idea (Steve Jobs). One person works on designing the camera, another the touch interface. Another guy develops the software. Someone else's job is to assemble this or that piece of hardware. Someone else's job is to let people know about it so you can sell it.

Labor has to be guided, organized and given an objective. Labor by itself is headless.

The OP is dumb because it isn't about LABOR or who gets paid, it's about ownership.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:37:34 2020 No.16467718

>>16466748
>No motivation to make iphones
Probably true. Not true that there would be no motivation to make communication devices, music players, and generally things possessing many of the other functions iphones serve. Maybe they would do without the planned obsolence, psychologically-adddictive design, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:37:50 2020 No.16467720 >>16467700 Managers are workers not owners, retard. They collect a paycheck like everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:39:44 2020 No.16467725 What age were you when you realized communism is a death cult? Their utopia is basically afterlife

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:41:04 2020 No.16467730

>>16467370
Delusional, we wouldn’t even have a fucking GUI. Only reason that didn’t die in a lab was because capitalists wanted more people to buy their products. In communism only researchers and higher ups in the party would have access, they would use it to find access to terminals

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:42:46 2020 No.16467738 >>16467730 Totalitarian state capitalism is not any form of socialism, dumbfuck.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:43:44 2020 No.16467743

>>16466712
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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:43:45 2020 No.16467745 File: 309 KB, 460x959, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16467730 Why did the USSR win the space race?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:45:41 2020 No.16467751

>>16467730
Money being only motivation for progress is bullshit. We born into a society which mostly has money incentives. You can see early greek cities had progression because they had people doing work for them and they had time to think etc. People who "worked hard" were just servants & slaves who had shitty lives. It just became a bit more complex so we accept that as a normal way of life. It is bullshit, we had tons of technological advancements but why do we still have to work +40 hours a week? Who the fuck gets the bigger share?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:53:38 2020 No.16467788

>>16467584
When I say right wing I am talking about traditional hierarchies and traditional social values. Integralism, for example, would be described as right wing by left wingers (whether that classification is fair is another story, in my opinion such systems could be described as third-positionist). It seems to me that your idea of "right wing" is contemporary and heavily informed by the current hegemony (which I guess isn't a problem in and of itself). Furthermore, monarchism being considered right wing is anachronistic as hell. The french revolution is over, dude. If a monarch dictated a command economy, supported a robust social safety net, and whatnot then it wouldn't (necessarily) be accurate to describe it as right wing. Political beliefs are multifaceted and can even be contradictory in spirit. There are too many dimensions to society to even attempt such a tidy and neat conception of politics. I guess what I'm saying is that classification of political philosophies isn't just about looking at where power is concentrated. Doing so betrays the nuance inherent to their practical application.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:56:02 2020 No.16467804 File: 37 KB, 505x567, noheadbrainlet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16467738 >Communism hasn't really ever been practiced so we have no clue how it would turn out

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:57:15 2020 No.16467808 >>16467804 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:58:15 2020 No.16467819 >>16467650 >learnt Why can't britbongs fuck off? I mean holy fucking shit get with the program

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:01:00 2020 No.16467836 >>16467700 This post illustrate perfectly the Stockholm Syndrome that afflicts many in the PMC. They are so thoroughly brainwashed that they start to think of themselves as owners rather than workers. It's some 'Remains of the Day' tier shit. Sad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:05:09 2020 No.16467859 >>16467836 If ownership is to be acknowledged at all, then it must exist at all levels. You are simply fixated on only one kind of ownership (which is erroneous).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:06:43 2020 No.16467865 >>16467745 The USSR was not communism bro, it was a dictatorship, im.sorry to break it to you, china is not communism either

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:08:25 2020 No.16467875 >>16467859 What are you trying to say? If you live solely off dividends and interest and never had to work for a living, you would know it. It's not some subtle thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:09:17 2020 No.16467879 literally Marx

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:09:27 2020 No.16467881 >>16467804 wat

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:12:13 2020 No.16467895 >>16467865 It was/is socialist though

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:13:53 2020 No.16467904

>>16466774
And the technology was developed through government spending. Then some retard came along, took advantage of that tech, and made it look nicer. Reminder the smartphone hasn't improved at all since the OG iPhone release. It did the exact same shit my S9 does now proving the individual hasn't done shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:14:07 2020 No.16467906 >>16467895 Socialism is incompatible with autocracy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:15:36 2020 No.16467912 >>16466748 the first cell phone was made by a society engineer you tard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:17:25 2020 No.16467924 >>16466712 "I made this painting" No, your PAINTBRUSH made that painting. Paintbrushes make paintings with any person. The person just determines blah blah blah Pseud of pseuds; all of pseud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:17:49 2020 No.16467925 >>16467924 False.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:18:52 2020 No.16467931 >>16467924 People make paintings, you fucking retard.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:20:04 2020 No.16467941

>>16467819
I am from a shithole country. Sorry for my shitty English all I want is you to think about the all corrupt "capitalist" systems which bails out when corporates go out of money but does not care when people in same country die. Accepting the system which you born into is the easiest thing. I am really surprised that people who found out 4chan did not really put their effort into thinking about it. It is whole level of alternative media, using it implies that you are not regular folk but here we are, talking about the most basic illusion of life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:21:30 2020 No.16467949 >>16467941 Average IQ on 4chan is in the 62-68 range.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:23:13 2020 No.16467954 >>16466720 >National Socialism >Capitalism Pick one

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:24:27 2020 No.16467961 >>16467904 >And the technology was developed through government spending. No

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:27:30 2020 No.16467973

>>16467875
I'm trying to say that if you see ownership as only pertaining to some materially adequate reward (dividends, et al) and the means that produce them then workers don't own anything (as a wage, presumably in your eyes, doesn't meet that criteria). If workers don't own their share of labor then any anti-capitalist sentiment on your part is undermined. A worker can't convince themselves they are owners if they don't actually own their share of labor and their share of its produce. If they don't "own" their share of labor then they aren't entitled to its produce in the first place. This all assumes you aren't using the word owner in some narrow (useless) sense anyway.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:28:02 2020 No.16467974

>>16467949
I doubt it. People act like animals here but I always think it is because they are passionate about their interests and being anonymous adds up into this. My stupid country actually banned 4chan but I still find my way into 4chan because reddit and all other social media are just shitty "point-masturbation" machines. People like to get likes or paint themselves as some kind of interesting person. But these boards have passionate and much more interesting threads going on in them. Even though social media addiction is about easy access and instant gratification 4chan lacks both and we still are here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:28:15 2020 No.16467975 >>16467961 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:28:37 2020 No.16467977 >>16467954 Based and Truthpilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:29:21 2020 No.16467984 >>16467973 What are you smoking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:31:20 2020 No.16467998 >>16467974 Reddit is just as anonymous as 4chan, and (you)s has the same effect as upvotes and downvotes. 4chan is just reddit for self-loathing people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:32:31 2020 No.16468007 >>16467975 Prove it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:33:39 2020 No.16468013 >>16467998 I like to think that 4chan users are a little more self aware about their autism than reddit users

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:37:19 2020 No.16468038

>>16467998
The problem is people get attached to their accounts and start to farm karma, same shit gets posted everyday in hopes to get more likes and it feels like a really really big circlejerk. I can't say that I am not craving for (you)s but it feels like more of an excitement of sharing ideas & talking about them with passionate people. I really don't think its the same thing. Sorry that I couldnt make my point, being anonymous is more about people talking like animals to each other or not painting a online personality like facebook. It was not about reddit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:41:41 2020 No.16468056

>>16468038
It actually feels like capitalism desu. Same loophole, system looks designed to share things and enjoy internet's frontpage but it became people racing each other for some imaginary internet points and fuck the whole thing. In capitalism we think that "money & resources & hardworking" would regulate and develop the society but instead companies and people become so money focused, they fuck up the whole system. And yeah I am shamelessly (you)ing myself, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:41:42 2020 No.16468057 >>16468038 >The problem is people get attached to their accounts and start to farm karma A similar problem afflicts the economy under capitalism, where people stockpile money in order to increase their political power.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:42:18 2020 No.16468061 >>16466712 Why refute that? Obligatory not a commie but maybe the iPhone should never have existed

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:45:13 2020 No.16468090
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>>16466712
>-isms
Don't even need to read a book to refute it, opinion is immediately discarded. No, a centralized planned economy is not the same as a decentralized free market run mainly by private interests. Yes, capitalism made your Iphone. Apple is not a state owned company how is this even an argument? Why do these types of people treat "Labor" as if it's synonym for "mana" like it's just this ethereal force that produces things from thin air?

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:48:28 2020 No.16468105

>>16468038
The problem with karma is that it helps punish wrongthink and discourages open discussion. Subs will automatically prevent people from commenting if their account’s karma is too low. This drives off people with opposing beliefs and creates an echo chamber. The few people who do choose to stay are accused of brigading from other subs (since any dipshit can create one and there’s fucking a million of them).

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:52:21 2020 No.16468125

>>16468090
You are right but the problem is most of people who advocates for capitalism talk like every kind of development of tech is only possible in capitalism and wouldn't happen this fast in any other system. Capitalism is really about how wealth is distributed. It feels right because we born into it nothing else. Everything is a complex illusion to makes us play the rat race.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:52:32 2020 No.16468128 >>16466712 >i can't use my brain to refute this point please give me a book that I can parrot fuck off

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:52:49 2020 No.16468130

>>16468090
>Why do these types of people treat "Labor" as if it's synonym for "mana" like it's just this ethereal force that produces things from thin air?
They’re mostly rich and middle class people who fetishize the idea of “labor” because none of them have ever actually had a blue collar job or even met a blue collar worker. They’re like weabos who have an unrealistic hyper-romanticized idea of Japan because they’ve never actually been there.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:53:49 2020 No.16468133

>>16468013
Users of Twitter and fixed-identity social media tend to suffer from the Grandiose subtype of Narcissism (extroverted, attention-seeking).

User of 4chan and anonymous social media tend to suffer from the Vulnerable subtype of Narcissism (introverted, aloof, legends in their own mind).

V-type narcissists have been seething at G-type narcissists since the dawn of time. This is just the latest manifestation of the struggle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:54:59 2020 No.16468137 >>16468090 Centralization has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism, retard. Read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:55:45 2020 No.16468139 >>16468105 This is why I love it here. People are not here to masturbate to internet points, people are here to talk about their passions and masturbate to some weird shit. This is the best kind of internet. 4chan is what makes me think, not reddit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:56:00 2020 No.16468143 >>16468130 Blue-collar vs white-collar work has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism, you embarrassing moron.

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