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Anonymous Mon Sep 28 04:44:50 2020 No.16462055 [Reply] [Original]

Now this book is a masterpiece. Contains unique and diverse information every page, good pace, dynamic perspective, it's obvious he has a bone to pick with Ionians and Hellenes in general, he keeps attacking Homer and other artists, he remembers random shit for most of which he's the only source in the world, he goes into unnecessary details randomly or skips important shit cause he feels like it, and to top it all off he's the father of history as it's the first history book we have.

How can anyone dislike this man? There are even traces of a proto scientific method with the Nile theory stuff, the man's a beast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 08:03:50 2020 No.16462625 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 08:04:35 2020 No.16462626 >>16462055 >>>/his/ Gay faggot bitch

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 09:09:44 2020 No.16462895
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>>16462626
>Gay faggot bitch
/his/torians routinely claim Herodotus is historically unreliable, as well as containing material that doesn’t belong in a history book.

My preference is the George Rawlinson annotated translation in the Everyman’s Library published hardback.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 09:15:34 2020 No.16462919 >>16462895 He was the Jordan Peterson of his time, that should tell you something

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 09:19:33 2020 No.16462935 >>16462626 it's more entertaining and fictitious than most novels

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:11:36 2020 No.16463197 According to my research everything in Herodotus is 100% accurate. You're welcome /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:25:26 2020 No.16463271 >>16462895 >George Rawlinson Whenever I see the word "Greek" in an Ancient Greek translation I just drop the book. Macaulay is better

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 12:10:48 2020 No.16463881 >>16462626 Herodotus is a pillar of the canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:09:50 2020 No.16465384 >>16462895 /his/ does have his image in their sticky post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:13:35 2020 No.16465406 >>16462626 Herodotus synthesized /his/ with /lit/

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:14:37 2020 No.16465418
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People that generally read Herodotus ignore the parts where he explains that all the things he learns are just from other people. After any unbelievable tale or story in the book he says something along the lines of, "You don't have to believe me, it's just what I heard."

That's why I like to think the Herodotus is more of a folk story teller than a history guy.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:21:22 2020 No.16465472

>>16465418
It's more that historians were wrong to dismiss a lot of his stuff as fairy tales and now they're realising they were wrong. There's a lot of this kind of stuff:
>Herodotus' account of Babylon has largely been considered to represent Greek folklore rather than an authentic voyage to Babylon. However, recently, Dalley and others have suggested taking Herodotus' account seriously.[37][40]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 16:25:50 2020 No.16465507 >>16465472 Doesn't he say that the walls of Babylon were like 10 square miles long and 60 feet high or some other unrealistically huge proportions

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:53:28 2020 No.16466182 >>16463197 this t b h

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 17:55:59 2020 No.16466190 >>16462895 >/his/torians routinely claim Herodotus is historically unreliable when will this meme die? no one says this. his details are ridiculous (but this is immediately obvious) while the general events are not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:09:08 2020 No.16466279 >>16465472 Recently they found some ancient boats in the Nile that he had described, and for years bitch ass modern historians had been saying he was lying. https://www.history.com/news/shipwreck-herodotus-egypt-baris-discovery

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:15:19 2020 No.16466335 File: 841 KB, 860x1283, Thucydides_pushkin02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Step aside, Herodote...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:17:48 2020 No.16466352 >>16462055 I'm almost done with the Histories right now and desu I'm pretty disappointed. The writing is boring af and he rambles a lot. Could be that history books just aren't my thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:21:43 2020 No.16466381 >>16465507 The walls of Babylon were greater than even the Theodosian walls. It's silly to doubt human ingenuity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:25:40 2020 No.16466403 >>16465507 Would you believe that the pyramids of Giza were that big if they hadn't survived up to this age?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:28:26 2020 No.16466422 >>16466352 Why did you read it and what parts DID you like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:31:16 2020 No.16466432 >>16465507 square miles aren't a length unit

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:48:06 2020 No.16466507

>>16466352
I can see being bored by the first half (even if I am not) which is mainly Herodotus hopping around the ancient world and giving anecdotal stories, ethnologies, and reports about different social customs, but anyone whose pulse doesn't quicken when they get to his books on the Persian invasions is dead inside desu senpai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 18:52:26 2020 No.16466534 >>16466352 My man, you have to visualize Herodotus as if it's a Snyder film, like this. https://youtu.be/S2up4-CJ-ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 20:39:25 2020 No.16467099 >>16466352 filtered Herodotus is straight kino

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:07:22 2020 No.16467244 >>16462895 >talking about history books on a book board bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 21:10:29 2020 No.16467265 >>16466335 Thucydides Is trash compared to Herodotus. He is probably the most overrated historian. Xenophon is better

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 00:28:12 2020 No.16468337 >>16467265 How quaint it is to see bait this obvious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 00:52:17 2020 No.16468430 What did Herodotus mean by "Clint Eastwood Spartans"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 00:56:01 2020 No.16468452 >>16462055 >just believe me bruv, I seen it. I seen it with me own TWO eyes!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 03:50:47 2020 No.16469003 >>16466335 Thucydides is basically a philosopher

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 03:55:00 2020 No.16469014 >>16468452 >I seen it. He actually has a clear disclaimer clarifying otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 03:57:08 2020 No.16469017 >>16466352 I only finished the first 3 books so far and I both hate it and love it. What keeps me going is that I'm very interested in Ancient Greece

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 04:47:09 2020 No.16469140 File: 1.07 MB, 2033x2560, A1OEaZgPKpL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16462895 >My preference is the George Rawlinson annotated translation in the Everyman’s Library published hardback. The Landmark Herodotus is superior.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 04:56:35 2020 No.16469179 >>16469140 >Andrea and Rosalind >both women >both quite successful in the academic game as 2020 classicists (i.e. no integrity) yeah im gonna say it's bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 05:12:41 2020 No.16469215 File: 2.71 MB, 2195x2071, 1599473103124.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16469179 Based. Read George Campbell Macaulay's translation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 06:32:54 2020 No.16469453 >>16469179 she died in 2018 asshole :( >>16469215 yeah, don't. I can get not wanting to read modern translations that haven't passed the test of time and skipping women entirely but this is retarded in another way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 08:43:48 2020 No.16469925 File: 7 KB, 225x225, пепе північноамериканський.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16467265 >Thucydides Is trash compared to Herodotus

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:49:03 2020 No.16471038 >>16469453 What's wrong with Macaulay's?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:22:26 2020 No.16471263 >>16468337 >he thinks it's bait

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:23:42 2020 No.16471273 >>16469140 >he didn't get Tom Holland's translation with the Penguin deluxe edition Ngmi

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:26:14 2020 No.16471291

>>16469925
>He prefers his history book to say: polynices lead his army to Thessaly and lost instead followed by 3 pages of speeches instead of giving descriptions of ancient Babylon and talking about xerxes having the Aegean whipped
This is why modern historians are a joke

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:45:35 2020 No.16471427 File: 76 KB, 607x268, Screenshot 2020-09-29 at 18.44.51.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] His description of Scythians sounds like Mongols. Are they related?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:52:04 2020 No.16471473 >>16471427 They're both semi-nomadic steppe raiders so yes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:59:01 2020 No.16471516

What's up with the labyrinth of Hawara? Herodotus seems to think that it is far more impressive than the pyramids of Gize and all Greek architecture combined. There seems to be almost no information about it online, but archaeologists have found the place in 2008 and are speculating that some of it might still be there underground.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:14:40 2020 No.16471616 >>16471516 based

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:15:26 2020 No.16471624 >>16471616 based on what? sand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:16:43 2020 No.16471634 >>16471624 dirt, I would assume

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:08:33 2020 No.16472292 >>16471516 But he said he never even got to see what was underground how does he know how glorious it was? Also he takes any chance he gets to disrespect Hellenic achievements

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:20:23 2020 No.16472388 >>16466507 desu I liked the first half more, bored out of my mind with the persian invasions. i think its true what other anon said. you have to be interested in ancient greek and i just dont give a fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:25:16 2020 No.16472428 File: 1.34 MB, 1280x906, darius.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck was Dareios doing against Scythians? Why did he take this route? Why not sail over the black sea? Or maybe even go through Armenia?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:26:10 2020 No.16472436 >>16462055 Lmao what is with that cover?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:17:49 2020 No.16472756 >>16472292 Maybe the above ground part was just that amazing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:20:09 2020 No.16473892 >>16462055 >it's Greeks destroy the Persian bridge chapter Comfy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:41:59 2020 No.16474705 >>16472428 Bro he couldn't keep up. They were too fast and high from their hemp saunas

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 03:30:10 2020 No.16475459 >>16472436 What's wrong with it?

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