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>he cheered for Hector all along
yikes bro

>> No.16444685

Cringe

>> No.16444731

>>16444598
I cheered for Zeus to fuck you mom, lmao.

>> No.16444738

>>16444598
Giacomo Leopardi said that most of the attention the Iliad gets is because of compassion towards Hector. While back in the day most Homer's audience would take great interest in Achilles because he was Greek modern audiences don't share that same tribal connection. This is one of the reasons why The Iliad stands above other national epic poems.
You should read Leopardi's essay on the subject; it's in Zibaldone but you can probably find it online.

>> No.16444756

>>16444738
i have 700 years worth of philosophy, poetry, plays, novels and history left to get to him but eventually I'm gonna get around to it.

>> No.16444757

>>16444731
That's a pretty cool thing to cheer for. Then he will have a demi-god brother.

>> No.16444769

>>16444738
From Rome on most of the Western world identified with Hector and the Trojans.

>> No.16444971

>>16444769
Yes, to the extent that they made a Trojan the protagonist in their own national epic. But did they invoke the same spirit of compassion for Aeneas' foes?

>> No.16445000

>>16444598
Thersites is the only hero of the Iliad

>> No.16445052

>>16444738
>modern audiences don't share that same tribal connection.

I'm gonna shit in your mouth

>> No.16445091

>not realizing Hector was the protagonist of the story

>> No.16445104

>>16445052
Are you Greek? Maybe, but most ppl that read the Iliad aren't.

>> No.16445118

>>16445091
Hector and Turnus were the true heroes all along

>> No.16445176

>>16445000
t. coward

>> No.16445906

>>16444598
Is that a girl or a boy?

>> No.16446052

>>16444598
Ever since the Romans conquered Greece, the Trojans have been the heroes of the Illiad.

>> No.16446226

>>16444598
History literally sided with Hector. Virgil, Shakespeare, etc. He is unequivocally in the right.

>> No.16446261

i was rooting for hector and paris.

>> No.16446571

>>16444598
Why anyone would cheer for hector, the representative of the pelasgic, telluric and southerly society of the mother over the Apollonian and aryan solar society represented by Achilles is beyond me

>> No.16446636

>>16446261
same

>> No.16446668

>>16446261
Why Paris?

>> No.16446683

>>16446668
because he's a sissy

>> No.16446690

>>16446683
bussypilled

>> No.16446698

>implying anyone was right in the Iliad

>> No.16446711

>>16444731
>implying it isn't actually perfectly sensible to cheer for Zeus in the Iliad

Zeus comes across a LOT better in the Iliad than he does in so much other Greek and Roman mythology. Like, all the stories of him having sex with various things, turning into swans to rape people, and so on.

In the Iliad, Zeus feels like the only one of the gods that actually has an interest in a positive outcome for the war, and for the entire fate of the human race. Zeus is trying to assert order and see that justice is done, and also ensure that Fate is carried out. Meanwhile all the other Olympians, INCLUDING Athena, who should know better, are constantly mucking into the war and causing all sorts of trouble and bullshit.

Zeus in the Iliad feels like the only sane member of a family full of retards.

>> No.16446719

>>16446668
Paris did nothing wrong. He got manipulated by the gods. He asked for the fairest woman for his wife and they gave him the girl married to the brother of one of the most powerful kings in the land. It was a set up from the start so the Achaeans could shit all over him.

>> No.16446980

>>16446711
>Like, all the stories of him having sex with various things, turning into swans to rape people, and so on.
Stop taking mythology literally

>> No.16447000

>>16444598
For me it's Odysseus.
Achilles acted like a child and Hector was scared of that child lmao

>> No.16447043
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16447043

>>16444598
Cheering for Hector is good, Homer portrays him as a good man.
>>16444731
Basados.
>>16444738
>most of the attention the Iliad gets is because of compassion towards Hector.
Very retarded take.
>You should read Leopardi's essay on the subject; it's in Zibaldone but you can probably find it online.
Why would I read a retard's thoughts on Homer?
>>16444756
Don't.
>>16444757
:-)
>>16444769
Based.
>>16445000
Fuck off commie shit.
>>16445091
He wasn't.
>>16446711
Zeus is the father/king god in the Iliad.
>>16446719
Low IQ take, but Paris is based for other reasons.
>>16446980
Most of the myth before Homer is not really Greek myth anyway.
>>16447000
Odysseus was extremely based in the Odyssey but not so great in the Iliad.
>Achilles acted like a child and Hector was scared of that child lmao
Retard.

>inb4 muh mass replying
Deal with it faglords

>> No.16447046

I want to fuck nonbinary/transguy wojak

>> No.16447052

>>16447043
>Odysseus was extremely based in the Odyssey but not so great in the Iliad.
How wasn't he great in the Iliad?

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>>16447052
The Iliad is a story about war where warriors like Hector, Achilles, and even Paris (best archer on the field) or Diomedes/Ajax shine the best. Odysseus was a king and his strength lies in his cunningness and craftiness, which is best highlighted in the Odyssey where those attributes are to make up ἀρετή. In the Iliad he's vastly eclipsed by warriors as he should be.

>> No.16447112

>achilles lamentation in the odyssey
What did Homer mean by this?

>> No.16447271

>>16447043
>a bunch of 1-5 word replies with no more substance than "hurr I agree" or "hurr I disagree you're a faggot"
epic

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>>16447271
Faggot