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Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:35:53 2020 No.16438159 [Reply] [Original]

Based or cringe?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:37:13 2020 No.16438167 >>16438159 It's nonsensical gibberish, but based nonsensical gibberish

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:43:25 2020 No.16438199 >>16438159 Based but you have to read it line by line with annotations and commentary.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:45:52 2020 No.16438211 >>16438199 I will NEVER do this. Reading should be a pleasure, not a chore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:48:34 2020 No.16438218 >>16438211 You should read more to uproot that mindset brother. It’s not good for you

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:49:37 2020 No.16438223 File: 261 KB, 1600x900, borges-library.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16438218 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 24 23:50:32 2020 No.16438231 >>16438218 I will and I will read without a study guide and without obsessively writing notes in the margins and highlighting passages like some pasty undergrad tart.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:06:14 2020 No.16438311 >>16438211 It's your Joyce

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:07:40 2020 No.16438319 >>16438311 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:09:25 2020 No.16438329 >>16438159 Both at the same time

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:10:40 2020 No.16438336 >>16438211 That's akin to saying life should be a pleasure not a chore, which is a dangerous opinion to hold.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:11:50 2020 No.16438344 >>16438319 No, that would be a James

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:14:38 2020 No.16438363 >>16438336 No it's not. I sell my labor power for pennies on the dollar so that I my spend my leisure time enjoying literature rather than combing over footnotes and references

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:14:53 2020 No.16438366 >>16438344 What are you Stephen trying to do?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:15:02 2020 No.16438367 File: 37 KB, 400x386, 1559262217539.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Extremely cringe. How can anyone still read Joyce after based FW poster?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:19:38 2020 No.16438401 >>16438367 was that poster even anti-wake? I always saw it as the face of someone driven to weeks of sleepless nights obsessing over the many references and hidden meanings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:22:27 2020 No.16438418 >>16438401 The absolute state of Joycefags.

Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:23:41 2020 No.16438424

>>16438366
>Paddy's first day on the job
>A bunch of Englishmen see that it's an Irishman's first day on a construction site. Deciding to mess with him, they go "Hey, Paddy, since it's your first day, we want to know if you know your stuff. What's the difference between a joist and a girder?"
>Paddy thinks for a moment before saying, "Ah, sure, I know that. 'Twas Joyce who wrote Ulysses and Goethe who wrote Faust."

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:27:30 2020 No.16438456 >>16438199 What's the point tho? It's supposed to be dreamy and not have any meaning other than you yourself derive from it. Why would you read somebody's interpretation of a text that even the author doesn't understand?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:27:55 2020 No.16438461 So cringe its based

Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:49:18 2020 No.16438574

>>16438456
It's not supposed to be dreamy but meandering and hypnotic. It does make sense but you will not get all the references from several languages, mythologies, characters (including some random people from Dublin), allusions etc. It needs translating, so to speak.
Ideally, FW is a book to be read on an ereader where you touch a word/passage and the meaning comes up. I hope there's already an edition like that available.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 00:52:17 2020 No.16438584 >>16438159 >Be me >3rd paragraph of FW >bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk! Okay what the hell

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:01:13 2020 No.16438630 >>16438574 Desktop version here" http://finwake.com/desktop.htm

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:04:21 2020 No.16438645 >>16438630 >http://finwake.com/desktop.htm AWESOME!!!!! Thank you so much anon, that's exactly what I was talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:06:22 2020 No.16438656 File: 425 KB, 512x841, img007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16438584 >>3rd paragraph of FW More like 3rd word, it's hard being ESL.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:07:04 2020 No.16438662 can someone qrd on finnegan poster? i only saw like one or two of his posts and they were pretty benign

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:08:04 2020 No.16438668 The best books manage to be both enlightening - and - a pleasure to read. FW and much of Ulysses is elitist mental masturbation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:12:09 2020 No.16438686 >>16438656 You don't know who Eve was?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:13:48 2020 No.16438691 >>16438686 Yeah, but what the fuck does past Eve mean?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:15:08 2020 No.16438695 >>16438691 Church in Dublin. Check out the annotated edition above.

Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:15:20 2020 No.16438696

>>16438691
Use an annotated version desu . This ones says
"'Church of the Immaculate Conception' also known as Adam and Eve's is a Roman Catholic church run by the Franciscans and it is located on Merchants Quay, Dublin"

http://www.finwake.com/1024chapter1/1024finn1.htm

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:15:54 2020 No.16438698 >>16438691 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:16:22 2020 No.16438701 >>16438645 No problem fren, enjoy

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:16:40 2020 No.16438703 >>16438691 past Eve and Adam's. Adam and Eve's was the name of a church and also a bar in Dublin iirc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:19:32 2020 No.16438711 >>16438695 >>16438696 >>16438698 >>16438703 So how exactly does this contribute to the text at all? 2 or 3 more words pointing out that it was a church would have eliminated this artificial reference.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:21:36 2020 No.16438718 >>16438711 bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk! This isn't a book where clarity was a concern lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:22:16 2020 No.16438719 >>16438711 he connected Dublin to the beginning of man. Finnegans Wake is ultimately the story of Ireland

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:23:53 2020 No.16438727 >>16438719 Dublin was hardly the first city of proto-Irish or Irish peoples so that also doesnt make sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:25:25 2020 No.16438734 >>16438691 >>16438695 >>16438696 >>16438698 >>16438703 Fuck Joyce, I am not going to put this much effort into reading a philosophy text let alone a novel.

Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:25:33 2020 No.16438736

>>16438711
In assuming you know everything he's describing, an effect is created in which it feels more local and dear and nostalgic.
If he was explaining every single Irish place it would sound more objective. Now it sounds like a friend telling you a complex story
In short - it's on purpose and if you don't want to look it up or go to Dublin - fuck you

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:25:48 2020 No.16438737 >>16438711 Then again, it would be another random novel, not Finnegans Wake. But keep in mind that it's not random, surreal for the sake of it or free-association, there is a meaning and a narrative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:26:49 2020 No.16438744 >>16438734 It's fun! It's like solving a puzzle or something!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:29:00 2020 No.16438753 >>16438734 Or you may read his more linear works, particularly Dubliners (featuring The Dead, the most beautiful short story of all time: "snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling...") and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:31:24 2020 No.16438764 >>16438744 I rather solve Tenet. an 81 square sudoku is fun, a 729 square sudoku is just tedious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 01:36:29 2020 No.16438791 >>16438336 No it isn't. Reading is a specific action; life is not. Why the fuck would you ever read something you wouldn't enjoy?

Anonymous Fri Sep 25 07:15:12 2020 No.16439954

>>16438584
they're often called thunderwords and for a good reason:

bababadal - tower of babel, fall into many languages
garagta - gargarahat - hindi for thunder
kaminaronkonn - kaminari - japanese for thunder
bronn - bronte - greek for thunder
thonnerron - tonnerre - french for thunder
tuonn - tuono - italian for thunder
thunn - thunder - english
trovarrhoun - trovao - portugese for thunder
awk - aska - swedish for thunder
sawn - scan - irish for thunder
toohoohoorderen - torden - danish for thunder
thurnuk - tornarch - also irish for thunder

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 25 09:42:21 2020 No.16440558 >>16439954 Cool

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