/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16436433]

Only absolute brainlets believe in God, though some retards who see themselves as intellectuals and pretend to have achieved some kind of transcendental truth will insist that’s not the case

There is still no God. Doesn’t matter what Descartes, Kierkegaard or Tolstoy said. Yes, you are still a retard if you are theist, regardless of your reasons

[Anonymous No.16436472]

>>16436433
Let them have their cope. It's not like whether or not people are theists will have any material effect anymore.

[Anonymous No.16436473]

>>16436433
based

[Anonymous No.16436487]

>>16436433
Based

[Anonymous No.16436496]

>>16436433
Based but not /lit/

[Anonymous No.16436497]

[Anonymous No.16436506]

Atheism naturally selects itself out of existence, since they have no children. God motivates himself behavior, and human behavior moves the wheels of history, this is indisputable.

God isn't going away.

[Anonymous No.16436511]

>>16436433
I shall send you plummeting down into the deepest pit of hell where you shall suck, until the Sun implodes, the penis of my Cerberus, forever guzzling down his demonic cum which will burn your throat.

t. θεός

[Anonymous No.16436514]

>>16436433
Atheists and theists are equally retarded but nice try OP. Everyone believes in bullshit, there is no escape. And everyone feels superior to the other team. So what can you do when you know this? What are you left with?

[Anonymous No.16436513]

>>16436506
False because opinions aren't genetic

[Anonymous No.16436520]

>>16436513
But opinions lead to genetic success via reproduction, and therefore opinions that motivate reproduction shape the minds of the next generation.

[Anonymous No.16436522]

>>16436514
Not all beliefs are equal. There are some more ridiculous than others

[Anonymous No.16436533]

>>16436433
>it just moved on its own bro

[Anonymous No.16436536]

>>16436520
If this were true, then religion would never decrease in popularity - but it did (hard)

[Anonymous No.16436547]

>>16436536
As a reaction to historical events, atheism rose. This always has happened and will always correct itself because birth rates are all that matter when it comes to an ideology's long term success.

[Anonymous No.16436570]

>>16436513
Go on down to a crime infested slum and tell me you're surrounded by elite stock

[Anonymous No.16436577]

>>16436547
Then show me an example of a society in which religiosity went significantly down, but returned to previous levels over time

[Anonymous No.16436584]

>>16436577
Show me a society where atheism developed that didn't then die out within a few generations

[Anonymous No.16436588]

>>16436514
Pretty much. Why is believing in a monarchical deity seen as being chad? Such a shit meme. People should join me on the eightfold path to enlightenment.

[Anonymous No.16436594]

>>16436570
Zolapilled

[Anonymous No.16436596]

>>16436584
>As a reaction to historical events, atheism rose. This always has happened and will always correct itself [...]
Have you got any empirical proof for that assertion?

[Anonymous No.16436630]

>>16436522
And that belief is ridiculous in a relative sense. You are just regurgitating the materialists point of view. But their beliefs are just as baseless as the Christians. If you trace it all the way back to first principles, it all starts with an “unfalsifiable” claim about the structure of reality. But let’s take it even further back, way before materialism is a question. Your beliefs about what it means to have a conversation, what it means to have a relationship with another human, what proper behavior is, all these beliefs you and I hold were given to us. We are unable to generate our own beliefs on such things, and if we think we freed ourself from the knowledge we inherited about these topics, we merely reacted against the knowledge and ‘formed’ a belief based on the previous belief. One belief replaces another, forever. Everything you believe to be true, you were given, just like everyone else. Everyone is doing the exact same thing.

[Anonymous No.16436652]

I don't care about the reality of it, it's a stupid argument. The point is to feel the love of the great other. Knowing that love make you feel some kind of relief. You can stop worrying about yourself and start wanting to be kind and generous.
Feels good. Idk why they bothered putting an afterlife in the Bible, love and death is all a soul really needs.

[Anonymous No.16436678]

>>16436433
How do you reconcile with that the world's greatest minds were theists?

Faraday, Einstein, Schrodinger, Newton, Descartes, Heisenberg, da Vinci, Leibniz, Whitehead, Godel

[Anonymous No.16436684]

>>16436652
The afterlife is so you can be re-united with Him

[Anonymous No.16436694]

>>16436433
Your post is absolutely retarded and you don't deserve to post a based pepe.

[Anonymous No.16436722]

>>16436433
post face

[Anonymous No.16436738]

>>16436652
>Idk why they bothered putting an afterlife in the Bible, love and death is all a soul really needs.
Because life is meaningless if it's finite.
It's absurd to think that anything we do in this brief moment in the infinitude of time ultimately matters.

[Anonymous No.16436743]

>>16436433

[Anonymous No.16436763]

>>16436738
That's nonsense

[Anonymous No.16436794]

>>16436506
other true beliefs also naturally die out. what reproduces isnt neccesarily the truth

[Anonymous No.16436795]

>>16436763
You believe that your meaningless sentimentalism shows you how certain things are so important and how much worth you have even though it will all add up to infinite inexistence.
That's just absurd.

[Anonymous No.16436837]

>>16436738
linear time thinking again. longevity doesnt matter. everything dies. but it will all have been forever. time cant erase the fact that it happened. even god couldnt erase that. good is forever. bad is forever. meaning comes from you. you live in the moment.

[Anonymous No.16436855]

>>16436506
curious how the most militant christian fundamentalists on this website happen to be kissless virgins

[Anonymous No.16436858]

>>16436596
>empirical proof
No such thing.
Empiricism can not deal with truth. Only mathematics can prove things.

[Anonymous No.16436888]

>>16436795
The frame of reference you have chosen isn't very wise.
>worth
>adds up
What the hell so these mean? What's important to me is experiencing a good life and that my loved ones have the same. Experience is good, I like it.
Why do I need to live forever for that to "mean" anything?
I think you're too caught up with yourself. It seems like you think of your death as the end of the universe, which makes sense. But you don't need to think on those terms, you can be happy for your kids to keep living etc.

[Anonymous No.16436894]

>listen to a Christian song
>feel chills and shivers throughout my whole body and a deep connection to God
>read favorite passages of the bible and get the same feel
>also get this feeling when I draw a lot because I asked God to help me learn how to get better at drawing so that I could draw art that glories him and ever since then I've noticed these feels when I draw
I don't think of God in some kind of intellectual philosophical way. I just know he exists because I can feel him.

[Anonymous No.16436912]

>>16436894
Based

[Anonymous No.16436917]

Only absolute brainlets believe in atheism, though some retards who see themselves as intellectuals and pretend to have achieved some kind of transcendental truth will insist that’s not the case

God still exists. Doesn’t matter what Nietzsche, Hitchens or Dawkins said. Yes, you are still a retard if you are atheist, regardless of your reasons

[Anonymous No.16436925]

>>16436855
I've literally had sex two to five times a week for the past 12 years, no exceptions. I'm 29.

Atheists are overwhelmingly impressionable brainlet retards.

[Anonymous No.16436951]

>>16436925
you had sex with random whores? rabbi yeshua won't like that.

[Anonymous No.16436957]

>>16436433
I can guarantee most atheists here:

have not lived or understood both 1st and 3rd world countries

Have not done any math past calc 3

have never saved themselves from total misfortune, or gotten through it

are younger than 25

etc...
done psychedelics, had sex, went to a party and get good grades

in essence, >>16436497
youre all either midwits or unblessed and therefore UNBASED and cringe

[Anonymous No.16436961]

>>16436433
I am very intelligent and I believe in God. OP BTFO.
/thread

[Anonymous No.16436974]

Reminder we are only about 150 actual beneficial mutations away from our common ancestor with chimps. At what point did God insert a soul? What changed at that moment?

[Anonymous No.16436976]

I have absolutely no use for god. I'm glad this abstract idea helps people cope though, it's nice to see. I think it's interesting when someone claims their subjective sense of perfect harmony when observing nature is proof of the existence of god. I wish my brain were programmed like that, it must be a truly beautiful experience. But I feel no such need and am capable of no such thing. I don't aspire to to ascend, I'm fine with dissolving

[Anonymous No.16436996]

>>16436837
>meaning comes from you. you live in the moment.
that's obviously not true. You don't do something just thinking how it is happening right at this moment, but also looking at the future.
When looking at the future, you see meaning in your action, but without looking at the future, you couldn't do anything at all.
And how can meaning come from you if you didn't create reality?
>>16436888
>What the hell so these mean?
>What's important to me is experiencing a good life and that my loved ones have the same.
you and your loved ones won't experience something good after death, which makes life itself be not worth living according to your definition of what makes a life worth living. Living life is not worthy if you won't feel good.
If you'll be dead for all infinity, you might as well be dead right now.

[Anonymous No.16437003]

>>16436957
I can't help but laugh at this post. I think you're the midwit. Actually, no, you're absolutely retarded, pathetic, immature and ridiculous. You have never been and will never be able to produce a single original idea. I can imagine you reading your little books and being mesmerized by every single word, written by people you believe are superior to you (fair enough, you are right, they are)

[Anonymous No.16437005]

>>16436976
Based. Returning to the primordial ooze while giving no fucks.

[Anonymous No.16437041]

>>16437003
not him but his definition of an atheist seems about right based on countless interactions that I had with them in certain forums...

[Anonymous No.16437054]

>>16436974
I wonder if the soul as we think of it is just an awareness of consciousness. I mean this in a spiritual sense though. Maybe all life is imbued with some kind of life essence in the way that people think of when they take psychedelics. So the normal course of life is for trees, grass, dogs, cats, monkeys, etc, to be imbued with this life essence and then they eventually die and that life essence is recycled throughout everything. It's that cup analogy where the universal soul energy is a river and our bodies are like cups that gather a bit of water from the river and then return to the river once we die and our cup breaks.

The important distinction though is when the creature is intelligent enough to comprehend itself and its existence then at that point it is capable of forming a personal relationship with its creator. Through doing that maybe your soul vessel is then set aside or saved and when you die your soul lives on in this more individual way and not in the normal "return to the river" kind of way. It's like the creator has taken such an interest in you because of the personal relationship that he's formed with you that he wants to save what it is that makes you distinct from all the other vessels.

Maybe it's bullshit, but that's just what makes sense to me.

[Anonymous No.16437060]

>>16437003
you are projecting your frustration with belief and therefore yourself on me. . I am pretty secure about my intelligence, that is it's a non sequitur. Yes, I am easily amazed, but yes I also think I am capable of anything like all men are except that they fool themselves with the lies of the world. Nothing is original, it's all recursive, so there, you fool yourself again, and if I wanted to be "original" or creative, I have enough artifacts I've produced in my life to smile at, unlike yourself. I am sorry you're bad at math and have never had sex with girls that have big booties, or perhaps you're monolingual. Guess I triggered you.

[Anonymous No.16437074]

>>16436976
>I think it's interesting when someone claims their subjective sense of perfect harmony when observing nature is proof of the existence of god. I wish my brain were programmed like that
you say that while attempting to type coherent sentences...

[Anonymous No.16437083]

>>16437041
The notion that atheism is something only 21st century edgy reddit-tier teenagers who Dawkins are "into" is pathetic. Everything always comes down aesthetics in this board, no thought is engaged with seriously

[Anonymous No.16437120]

>>16437054
It just seems so arbitrary, like a Ship of Theseus. When the first general language arrived? Well that seems strange because the monotheistic God chose to reveal himself much later and for 100,000 or however many years we just had animism. I don't have a problem with there being some kind of intelligence behind the universe but theism has so much more shit to it than just that. Also your elan vital isn't really supported by science.

[Anonymous No.16437126]

>>16437083
those atheists of the past would atleast attempt to make a case for atheism instead of using arguments based on polemic such as ''but the crusades''.

[Anonymous No.16437127]

>>16436795
>>16436738
>bro we are so insignificant and small!
But that's not true, the near infinite space and time that you yourself somehow came to know without experiencing either are nothing compared to the conscious act of coming to the absolute realization that you exist and existing itself exists. If you are contemplating the universe you are undervaluing that everything you are thinking about and experiencing somehow comes down to purely human knowledge.

[Anonymous No.16437140]

>>16436976
>But I feel no such need and am capable of no such thing. I don't aspire to to ascend, I'm fine with dissolving
Pure hylic cope.

[Anonymous No.16437147]

>>16436976
>In this moment i am euphoric

[Anonymous No.16437151]

>>16437127
brother it is no use explaining the obvious to the one so obstinate and attached to their place, poking at a pothole trying to tell me something about the city. let them be in the next life soon they will see

[Anonymous No.16437174]

>>16437127
>we should be happy because we know that we exist
>well let me just die now
I don't expect people like to be honest enough and recognize that everything is meaningless in a finite life. Just keep pretending like everything is fine until the end of your life. You'll be in constant denial but deep down you know that you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.16437190]

>>16437127
Lovecraftfags btfo.

[Anonymous No.16437193]

Am I a bad atheist if I pray to God?
I dropped a bucket of boiling water on my leg and I kept crying out to God in my weakness
Another example, I was carrying a coal oven and i touched the edge of the oven to my elbow as I walked up a hill and It burned into my muscle and I nearly dropped it but I had to rest the sizzling iron on my arm to make the rest of the hike and I was basically whining to "God" I nearly puked at the smell of my cooked meat and hair and polyester

[Anonymous No.16437196]

>>16437174
how do you know life is meaningless? Did your parents not live you? Did you not have friends growing up? Have you ever had a girlfriend?

[Anonymous No.16437208]

>>16437003
>i can only imagine that you are inferior to me in every way imaginable and plenty of other people too. Me? Oh I'm just the smartest person by default ofc.

[Anonymous No.16437241]

>>16436577
Iran.

[Anonymous No.16437246]

>>16437196
You aren't truly following what comes out of the idea of eternal darkness after death and this is why both you and I see that life is in the end worthy.

[Anonymous No.16437253]

>>16437120
>It just seems so arbitrary, like a Ship of Theseus. When the first general language arrived? Well that seems strange because the monotheistic God chose to reveal himself much later and for 100,000 or however many years we just had animism.
Honestly, I'm not sure. If the life cycle is normally just a recycling of energy then death is a fairly benign thing, so maybe revealing himself isn't that urgent of a thing. Sure, everything that makes you you will be destroyed, but you're just returning back to the same well that you came from. It's not like you're going to hell or something like that.

All I know is that God is my friend. I have a real, proper relationship with him. He's like a friend to me and I can feel him in the same way that you would be aware of a friend. I don't think he wants what makes me me to be destroyed because then he would lose his friend, so I feel that when I'm dead then I'll be with God since he likes me and he doesn't want that unique thing that is in my vessel that allows me to love him to be destroyed.

I feel like this understanding of God isn't really something that has came about in a large number of people until fairly recently though. Maybe there is and I'm just not aware of it, but are there any religions other than Christianity that promote this feeling of true friendship with God? From what I've seen it's always this sense of looking up at this almost monster-like entity that you live in fear of. It seems kind of primitive, like tribal people being scared of volcanoes. I think God wants us to really love him in a genuine way, not just out of a primitive fear.

[Anonymous No.16437264]

>>16436433
Thanks for so eloquently settling this debate anon, we were awaiting your say on the matter. I assume you disregard St.Thomas Aquinas, St.Augustine and other lesser thinkers as well.

[Anonymous No.16437323]

>>16437253
Well in some ways I envy you. I even tried to give Christianity a go given the clusterfuck the world is facing but just couldn't bring myself to believe. I don't have all the answers, but no one else does either and that will remain the case forever, that's why I'm agnostic.

[Anonymous No.16437327]

Stoicism made me a Christian

[Anonymous No.16437429]

>>16437323
>I even tried to give Christianity a go given the clusterfuck the world is facing but just couldn't bring myself to believe.
I used to have the same problem. It just felt like I was larping. I tried for years and years. I always tried to approach it in more intellectual ways by finding philosophers that Christians normally recommended, but it always just felt very insincere. Almost like these people didn't really even believe it themselves and that we were all just pretending to believe because we thought that a world guided by these principles and ideas would be a better world.

One day though it clicked for me. I was thinking about Christ's sacrifice on the cross and this time I really felt it in an emotional way and not just in an intellectual sense. I used to always get this very abstract sense of dread. It was this feeling that my existence is just a temporary reprieve from some unimaginable thing that I conceptualized as a cacophony of souls blasting around in random directions. I would feel that when I die then what makes me me is going to dissolve and I'm going to go back to that place. I would always panic when this happened and feel this desperate need to stay alive as long as I could.

Anyway though, so I was thinking about Christ's sacrifice on the cross and it hit me that Christ came here and sacrificed himself so that I wouldn't have to go back to that place. Kind of like he opened up a gateway to a way out of this cycle that we're trapped in. I was so relieved after that and there were tears in my eyes. Ever since that point though, I can listen to random Christian songs and feel God's presence through this very real sense of chills and shivers throughout my body, I can read the bible and feel God's presence in the same way, I can think of God and get the same feeling. It's so powerful that I don't have any question in my mind about whether or not this is imagined or a real feeling. It's just this real sense of being accompanied by something very powerful constantly.

[Anonymous No.16437496]

>>16436996
>You don't do something just thinking how it is happening right at this moment, but also looking at the future.
you dont, because you think in linear time. the future you isnt you. if you do anything for him, you do it out of empathy
>When looking at the future, you see meaning in your action
you see consequence not meaning. meaning is value. whatever you feel is valueable is meaningful.
>And how can meaning come from you if you didn't create reality?
meaning is a feeling of value. thats all it is. so when you have that feeling about something, the meaning comes from you

[Anonymous No.16437557]

Retards, none of you have mentioned hedonism, so it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about.

The thread is about theism/atheism, so don’t mention it? You’re all retarded

[Anonymous No.16437565]

>>16436961
Yes

[Anonymous No.16437579]

The larping theists / Christians from the 2016 population flux are the worst group of people to ever migrate to this board, bar none.

[Anonymous No.16437601]

It’s obvious you’re all imbeciles because you use theism/atheism debate just to further your own egos.

If you had egos you wouldn’t be shitposting on 4chan. Instead of whatever hellhole you came from.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Enjoy your opinions!

[Anonymous No.16437609]

>>16436433
If there is a contingent being then there is a Necessary Being.

[Anonymous No.16437637]

>>16437601
Jokes on you, I don’t have a chip in the theism / atheism debate. I don’t need to to drink coffee and vodka all night and then pass out from exhaustion probably when the sun starts to rise.

[Jesus No.16437652]

>>16436433
Only absolute brainlets believe
/thread

[Anonymous No.16437675]

Lol who am I : “based~” lmao go back to r e d d I t

[Anonymous No.16438512]

>>16436957

[Anonymous No.16438517]

>>16436433
Based af.
Seethe, christcucks.

[Anonymous No.16438518]

>>16437003

[Anonymous No.16438529]

>>16436433
based

[Anonymous No.16438532]

>>16436536
Imagine being this Eurocentric.

[Anonymous No.16438599]

>>16436433
>Only absolute brainlets
>Kierkegaard, Descartes, Tolstoy
Who are you and why do you think you're better than any of those? Show your credentials and then we'll listen.

[Anonymous No.16438621]

>>16436513
A brain that is more inclined to believe in things like god is genetic though

[Anonymous No.16438733]

Ok, if we're being honest here, I have some things to say in regards. I have 0 intellectual respect for atheists. I haven't met an atheist from whom I can say I was impressed or slightly surprised when it comes to reasoning. I don't even read atheists, I don't care what they have to say. One time an atheist relative borrowed from me The Reign of Quantity and the signs of Time by Guénon (pbuh) and he dropped it at the second page because "it wasn't for him". Imagine what can I expect from people like that. I'm so sorry for you guys, I have atheist friends and all but damn I can't.

[Anonymous No.16438972]

>>16438733
Makes sense as atheism is literally a brain defect, just as tolerance of migrants.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151014084955.htm
>Belief in God and prejudice reduced by directing magnetic energy into the brain

[Anonymous No.16439188]

what if I believe a god exists but have no faith in him?

[Anonymous No.16439199]

>>16436433
Based retard not ashamed of being retarded, I applaud you

[Anonymous No.16439232]

>>16436630
Based it's true. There is definitely a higher order. That isn't neccessarily "God." We should stop personifying God, as whatever it is, is not comprehensible and if we do catch a glimpse, it's probably uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.16439248]

>>16436894
This is nice anon. Spirituality is useful. Like your image we are supposed to come to God as children to parents. We lose our innocence too quickly these days, glad someone knows what it's about.

[Anonymous No.16439442]

Isnt religion just political propaganda for the masses?

[Anonymous No.16439660]

>>16436957
Most people from 3rd world countries are Atheists, they only use religion as a "religious holiday" and have no interest in it per se. Religion, just as much as drug indulgence, is mostly for those of good living.
.t Balkan shithole

[Anonymous No.16439676]

>>16436433
God is real. Yes, the Christian God and no other "gods". Because I say so. Ditch the attitude, redditor; religion isn't science. Faith isn't a 1-1 mapping to fact.

Repent, or you shall rot in Hell.
Also don't bother replying, I know that I am right. I am based as-is.

Happy 13th birthday.

[Anonymous No.16439679]

>>16438599
>I need to listen to an authority to validate something
>Only the kid who scored highest in class can know what's right
You probably believe in God not because you believe in him, but because "why do so many ppl believe if not real??" By your own boy's Tolstoy's definition, you're no more Christian than the indulgent aristocrats who just adopt the pragmatic beliefs of their inner circles that allows them to justify their living.

[Anonymous No.16439692]

>>16439660
I know what you're talking about, but I am referring mostly to noticing the difference in values and culture between both and having what it takes to make the transition back and forth not just mentally but financially/class wise. It'll definitely make you start questioning things, that's what I put 1st and 3rd world.

[Anonymous No.16439698]

>>16436894
based

[Anonymous No.16439709]

>>16436433
not based at all. kill yourself
>>16436894
based

[Anonymous No.16439723]

>>16436577
Rome

[Anonymous No.16439732]

>>16436957
holy based

[Anonymous No.16439740]

>>16436497
>>16436894
>>16436957
based christian bros.
>>16437003
>calls other pathetic and immature
>can't respect others opinion

[Anonymous No.16439749]

>>16436506
I guess that would make an Africanized version of Islam right then, since they have the most kids

[Anonymous No.16439791]

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God