/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16431890]

ITT: thinkers who were right about everything

[Anonymous No.16431905]

>>16431890
>Every man and woman is a star.
Pretty based.

[Anonymous No.16431911]

[Anonymous No.16431925]

>>16431911
Correct

[Anonymous No.16431944]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16431982]

[Anonymous No.16431991]

>>16431890
what are some thinkers who were RIGHT about everything?

[Anonymous No.16432163]

>>16431944
Literally who
>>16431982
Refuted by Spengler in Prussianism and Socialism

[Anonymous No.16432167]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16432177]

>>16431890
>>16431991
Either you entirely agree with Heidegger's end philosophical goal, or you do not and you are a crass materialist.

[Anonymous No.16432181]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16432184]

[Anonymous No.16432201]

>>16432177

[Anonymous No.16432210]

>>16432201
Lmao can't believe he was such a badass!! But why eggs?

[Anonymous No.16432214]

>>16432210
Cause his surname was Hide Egger, duh

[Anonymous No.16432218]

>>16432210
rich in fat and protein. simple as that

[Anonymous No.16432236]

>>16432184

wow he was actually quite ugly

[Anonymous No.16432245]

[Anonymous No.16432250]

>>16432236
That's as an old faggot. Younger pictures are more handsome.

[Anonymous No.16432252]

>>16431890
How can one man be so extremely based?

[Anonymous No.16432272]

>>16432245
Should have posted Evola instead, but Guenon is a great man too.

[Anonymous No.16432276]

>>16432252
Probably semen retention
>>16432245
Based

[Anonymous No.16432343]

non-meme answer

[Batzorig No.16432387]

[Anonymous No.16432485]

>>16432343
Also based, there is no contradiction between his thought and Spengler's
>>16432387
I remember doing something with the Ramsey model in advanced macro classes but I understand that's not why you posted him here, what are his best works/most important ideas?

[Anonymous No.16432511]

>>16431890
FINE! I’ll start

[Anonymous No.16432517]

the most based of men

[Anonymous No.16432579]

>>16432485
Literally everything he wrote was a work of genius. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ramsey/..

[Anonymous No.16432583]

>>16431890
Just finished the decline of the west. Most interesting work I've ever read

[Anonymous No.16432630]

[Anonymous No.16433002]

>>16431890
Actually, you need to read Spengler together with a racialist like Gobineau or Chamberlain and a Freudian like Unwin in order to get to the racial and sexual side behind civilizations.

[Anonymous No.16433049]

>>16432214
>>16432218
Do they allow a revelation of being? Is beyng an egg?

[Anonymous No.16433073]

>>16431905
3k years from now, the figures of Oswald Spengler and Aleister Crowley will have merged as a single bald prophet.

[Anonymous No.16433193]

>>16431890
Spengler was obviously not right about everything, however he was a pioneer of hus discipline so it can be expected and nonetheless he his still a great example of what aspies are capable of.

[Anonymous No.16433258]

>>16432517
No

[Anonymous No.16433279]

>>16432245
>muh perennialism
Dropped instantly

[Anonymous No.16434486]

>>16431890
he couldnt figure out his own brother in law was Heisenberg tho?

[Anonymous No.16434506]

>>16432485
what in macro related to Ramsey?

[Anonymous No.16434509]

>>16432245
the celestial man himself...(pbuh)....

[Anonymous No.16434515]

>>16433193
huh

[Anonymous No.16434522]

[Anonymous No.16434529]

I'm surprised nobody has posted the obvious yet

[Anonymous No.16434609]

>>16432250
De Sade didn't look like the pic posted by the anon to whom you replied. That is an idealized engraving from the late 1800s. De Sade could not have looked like that, for by all accounts--including his own--he was extremely obese in middle age.

[Anonymous No.16434621]

>>16432245
physiology is key - guenon was uglier than socrates - hence even more wrong

[Anonymous No.16434656]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16434812]

>>16432630
Based

[Anonymous No.16434829]

>>16432630
>LIFE IS MEANINGLESS SUFFERING AAAAA

for you

[Anonymous No.16434868]

>>16431890
>>16432245
Somebody knows what's up

[Anonymous No.16434889]

>>16431890
Spengler >>> Evola

[Anonymous No.16434930]

>>16431890
Me <------------------

[Anonymous No.16435169]

>>16434889
Add a couple more > and we agree.

[Anonymous No.16435501]

>>16434506
Not that guy, but probably the ramsey model

[Anonymous No.16435660]

>>16432163
Catholic Neoplatonist, Priest, Physician and Occultist who single-handedly revived most of Platonism in the Renaissance

[Anonymous No.16435666]

>>16435660
>catholic
>occultist
Choose one

[Anonymous No.16436106]

>>16434889
Spengler fails because he only gives the science and not the science and the practice. He also didn't cover WWII Era cultural shifts the way Evola did.

But in general I'd agree Spengler and Evola are in slightly different ways, the gateway to the final discourse on the fate of culture and the destiny of modern man.

Spengler was also a blatant defeatist pessimist whereas Evola acknowledged the absoluteness of the coming calamity and demands a fervent reaction internally and Externally. If it only to direct the souls and lives of the few last heroic types to stand proud and defend everything that's ever given humanity our humanity. Spengler offers basically nothing in that regard.

[Anonymous No.16436141]

>>16431890
>about everything
ITT: Pseuds who actually posted somebody

[Anonymous No.16436174]

>>16436106
Heidegger out-do's both of them.

[Anonymous No.16436178]

>>16434529
This picture compared to the arrest picture picture is painful.

[Anonymous No.16436190]

>>16436174
Is there a Heidegger chart?

[Anonymous No.16436435]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16436606]

[Anonymous No.16436608]

>>16431890
Jacques ellul

[Anonymous No.16436674]

>>16436106
Spengler was a realist, Evola was a gay larper who got caught up in a Hindu fantasy world of his own making.

[Anonymous No.16436680]

>>16435666
checked
he was a researcher, not a practitioner of the occult

[Anonymous No.16436742]

[Anonymous No.16437470]

>>16434486

[Anonymous No.16437572]

>>16431890
Still is.

[Anonymous No.16437590]

>Man created in the divine image, the protagonist of a great drama in which his soul was at stake, was replaced by man the wealth-seeking and consuming animal.

>Man is constantly being assured that he has more power than ever before in history, but his daily experience is one of powerlessness. … If he is with a business organization, the odds are great that he has sacrificed every other kind of independence in return for that dubious one known as financial.

[Anonymous No.16437615]

>>16437590
>It is characteristic of the barbarian … to insist upon seeing a thing “as it is.” The desire testifies that he has nothing in himself with which to spiritualize it; the relation is one of thing to thing without the intercession of the imagination. Impatient of the veiling with which the man of higher type gives the world imaginative meaning, the barbarian and the Philistine, who is the barbarian living amid culture, demands the access of immediacy. Where the former wishes representation, the latter insists upon starkness of materiality, suspecting rightly that forms will mean restraint.

>In former times, when the honor of work had some hold upon us, it was the practice of a maker to give his name to the product … But, as finance capitalism grew and men and property separated, a significant change occurred in names: the new designations shed all connection with the individual and become “General,” “Standard,” “International,” “American.”

[Anonymous No.16437638]

>>16437615
>It is likely that human society cannot exist without some source of sacredness. Those states which have sought openly to remove it have tended in the end to assume divinity themselves.

>The man of frank and strong prejudices, far from being a political and social menace and an obstacle in the path of progress, is often a benign character and helpful citizen. The chance is far greater, furthermore, that he will be more creative than the man who can never come to more than a few gingerly held conclusions, or who thinks that all ideas should be received with equal hospitality. There is such a thing as being so broad you are flat.

[Anonymous No.16437657]

ebola

[Anonymous No.16438388]

pic related

[Anonymous No.16438583]

>>16436674
Evola wasn't a Larper.

Either a bunch of people start believing in religion and fostering a traditional spirit or everything fucking dies horribly, and the reader being specially equipped for the task at hand win lose or draw, what part of that is larp?

You have to read both to appreciate both. Evola paints it more as Spirituality effecting Culture and Spengler paints it more as Culture including Spirituality. Neither are wrong. It's just slightly different processes which lead to the same conclusion.

[Anonymous No.16438617]

>>16436106
That Spengler was a pessimist is doubtless. That he offers nothing in the way of how as an individual to deal with the inevitability of the decline is completely untrue. Read Man and Technics, especially the last chapter in which he encourages you to proudly die on your feet in the face of the downfall of one's culture.

[Anonymous No.16438700]

>>16438583
I cannot say for others, including the anon who you responded to, but my reservations against Evola and his following falling into the LARP camp is falling for as you said:
>people start believing in religion and fostering a traditional spirit or everything fucking dies horribly
There is an imperative to fallow a religion to such a degree that it destroys the innate most part of spirituality that being the belief and respect in belief for what one believes in. Evola and his ilk foster this shallow second religiousness which is more of a reaction against the questioning and rationalism that has come out of the culture. Which is why to me it seems shallow and like nothing more then a LARP. Similarly due to this I do not think that this return to spirituality will save the west, because it is not authentic. A late culture cannot return to this state like how a old man can never become a child.

The west is doomed as I see it, which although is something tragic is not to lead us towards entire defeat. We are tasked to save ourselves (that being our souls) and what we wish to leave as our legacy as I see it. I wish for Christianity to survive the decline of the west because to me it is something of upmost importance. The issue I have with Evola fans is that they would rather save the west by re-embracing Christianity. Or Paganism. I think they're kind is useful, but I wish for them to be saved to due to their backwardness in opinion due in part to Evola I think Evola is less then useful.

[Anonymous No.16438725]

>>16431890
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

[Anonymous No.16438843]

>>16436178
Why? I don't exactly get what you want to imply

[Anonymous No.16438912]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16439355]

>>16438700
You clearly haven't read Evola. You are mentioning the very problems Evola talks about in depth all through his works. Larp hurts us more than anything and he acknowledges this. He's saying to actually become religious and heroic and dives extremely deep into this process, not to just play pretend. But atheists like most spenglerians cannot separate themselves from the fact that religion is just an idea. Everything Evola extrapolated in his work was about taking off the bullshit layers of modernity and modern "religion" and re-igniting their true function and meaning in a way where a person can fully and confidently interact with the wisdom at all times as if it was 3000 B.C.

If you declare Evolas level of Religious investment a larp then you have to declare every religious notion mankind has ever conceived since the dawn of time to be a larp. Which once again, for the spenglarian, is their just conclusion. That it's all a larp, which for Evola is completely irrelevant. If everything we've ever done and worked for as a species was a larp then it is a necessary larp and the single most precious thing and answer that anyone at any time could conceive of. It then ought to be given sacred primacy. You will never be able to replace or de-legitimize religion/morality/law in a human world, and Nietzsches Overman is a blatantly ridiculous pipedream.

Lastly, Evola isn't trying to save the West, cause he knows it can't be. He's trying to save the last few souls who matter and invigorate them in their spiritual battle. Facing death or circumstance with an unwavering conviction and bravery. Who gives a shit if I die fighting globohomo and then go to Valhalla. All a hardcore spenglerian would do is cry and pout themselves into autistic promethean tradgedy meanwhile Evola-chads feel at one with God, Slay pussy and enjoy life venerating the Sun and Stars. Give up on your fucking western culture that shit'll come back in [x],000 years after the next cycle begins. Defend it while you're here but understand that your consciousness is your story, it can either be a first person heroic path or an autistic doom and gloom documentary. Fuck optimism and pessimism, They are both cowardice and oriented by baby eggheads feefees. Action is bravery.

I believe 200% of what I just told you and so did Evola, none of it was larp to try to appease intellectuals or thinker types. It's pure belief in what we know work. Like I said Spengler and Evola is the gateway to the final discourse on the fate of modern humankind. I appreciate both A LOT. But I really think I picked the cooler one desu.

And food for thought, atheists, and not you in particular but atheists see the flaw in religion but never propose anything better to fill the gap. Because belief in something is such an integral part of human consciousness and ontology that without it we would only be gorillas, theres no missing step, we have what we damn well need.

>>16438617
Alright cool I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.16439373]

>>16439355
based

[Anonymous No.16439386]

>>16439355
>Defending religion this good
Uh based? Hello?

[Anonymous No.16439803]

>>16439355
I remain suspicious with those who like Evola due to Revolt Against the Modern World and Pagan Imperialism. The former work's metaphysics were disappointing firstly because it strayed from the Spenglerian model which I think is very powerful. Secondly because its premises I think has clear and obvious issues which make the system completely fall apart. On the latter work it keeps me skeptical of anything Evola has to say regarding spirituality, and in general his writings referencing Paganism in general (Hinduism especially) makes me skeptical of taking advice from Evola regarding what is divine.

I think Evola's conclusions in which you champion are fine, but I'm very cautious around those who like Evola due to why one would read Evola to begin with. I for one did because I wanted to see if he like Spengler wrote regarding history and metaphysics. After reading Revolt it became clear Evola mostly writes with regard to the divine, something I see no need to get out of him rather then reading the catechism or Bible or consulting a Church Father. But I assume (and maybe incorrectly) that this aspect is what draws most people towards Evola, which to me seems inauthentic. For why would one be drawn towards one writing such things other then their conclusions reading religion and fixing society (which was my reading of Evola which seems to differ from yours.)

So in conclusion maybe I am a bit too tough on Evola and those who enjoy his works. However he without a doubt isn't for me, and given that Spengler comes to the exact same conclusion within man and technics with regard to how one ought live within an era of decay I find it not too useful to go much further into Evola on my own end. Also I wish your kind would also come off a bit more authentic with your spirituality.

[Anonymous No.16439821]

but of course

[Anonymous No.16439839]

>>16438583
You haven't read Evola yourself, he specifically notes that resorting to religion in this day and age is a form of surrender.
>>16438700
>There is an imperative to fallow a religion to such a degree that it destroys the innate most part of spirituality that being the belief and respect in belief for what one believes in. Evola and his ilk foster this shallow second religiousness which is more of a reaction against the questioning and rationalism that has come out of the culture
You also haven't read Evola because he was precisely a proponent of distance and dignified respect, not blind doctrinaire fanaticism. Please do not comment on something you know nothing about, because you distort its image for those who may be actually interested.
>>16439355
> He's saying to actually become religious and heroic
This is not what Evola proposes, unless your definition of religion is extremely broad and refers to something fundamentally nonreligious. Evola was a proponent of direct connection with spirit, not "religiare" (re-connection).
>Everything Evola extrapolated in his work was about taking off the bullshit layers of modernity and modern "religion" and re-igniting their true function and meaning in a way where a person can fully and confidently interact with the wisdom at all times as if it was 3000 B.C.
This is accurate.
>If you declare Evolas level...
This entire paragraph is wrong. Evola had many disagreements with Spengler, but the decay of religion was not one of those.
>Lastly, Evola isn't trying to save the West, cause he knows it can't be.
This paragraph is half-right. You're correct about the subjective nature of life, but the rest is very tenuous.
>Like I said Spengler and Evola is the gateway to the final discourse on the fate of modern humankind. I appreciate both A LOT. But I really think I picked the cooler one desu.
Also correct and based, but you need to read more. You'll love it.
>Because belief in something is such an integral part of human consciousness and ontology that without it we would only be gorillas, theres no missing step, we have what we damn well need.
Replace "belief in something" with "being" and you've got it. It was different in other eras, but today being is most important because nothing is worthy to take precedence over it.

[Anonymous No.16439869]

>>16439803
Revolt Against the Modern World and Pagan Imperialism were some of his first works and by his own admission imperfect. If you want to know Evola properly, deal with his mature work. Men Amongst the Ruins is the best review of his postwar worldview. I have no idea what your complaints about paganism and Hinduism could possibly be, but I am willing to bet that they are unwarranted - no offence.
>I for one did because I wanted to see if he like Spengler wrote regarding history and metaphysics. After reading Revolt it became clear Evola mostly writes with regard to the divine, something I see no need to get out of him rather then reading the catechism or Bible or consulting a Church Father.
All three are inseparable. Also, Evola provides deep analysis and a way of understanding spirituality as a whole, rather than understanding it through only one possible tradition - in your case Christianity.
>But I assume (and maybe incorrectly) that this aspect is what draws most people towards Evola, which to me seems inauthentic. For why would one be drawn towards one writing such things other then their conclusions reading religion and fixing society (which was my reading of Evola which seems to differ from yours.)
What draws people to Evola is his perennialism, his rigorous logic, fair examination of nihilism and his action-oriented (Kshatriya) perspective. All of these are indispensable to some of the most promising people of the current generations.
>I wish your kind would also come off a bit more authentic with your spirituality.
It's important not to confuse the thoughts of larpagans with the thoughts of Evola. Authenticity was of primary importance to him.

[Anonymous No.16439928]

>>16436190
Nope, there's a pretty clear direction for reading him(start with Being and Time, or some of his earlier lectures in the twenties), but it would seem slightly ridiculous to make a chart for Heidegger, considering his immensity as a thinker.

[Anonymous No.16440120]

>>16434522
so true what a king

[Anonymous No.16440128]

Neetche

[Anonymous No.16440135]

>>16436106
Yockey is watered down retard Spengler for nazi fags, right?

[Anonymous No.16440184]

>>16440135
Congratulations, you win the dumbest poster of /lit/ award. It was a hard contest, but you came through.

[Anonymous No.16440333]

>>16436106
pessimism is the highest form of optimism, that the world is both intelligible and doomed. Pessimism is absolution from responsibility, and a flight from the world, an excuse to neglect the hard business of analysing the world and improving it.

[Anonymous No.16440996]

Bump

[Anonymous No.16441708]

>>16438583
Tradition doesnt exist through, a culture expands until it reaches a certain hight, but that is always different for every culture.

Society is already religious, science and political dogma are taken as a faith by the majority of the population.

What we need is to cut away the weak aspects of modernity and keep the strong ones. Nothing more, everything else is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16441737]

>>16432245
Holy based

[Anonymous No.16441806]

>>16441708
Science and politics cannot be a religion because science and politics are meant to adapt and change and religion is meant to transcend. A world which worships the contingent and changing elements rather than the eternal ones is destined to be empty, shitty and weak.

[Anonymous No.16441920]

>>16432630
Damn I need to read him. What do I start with by him?

[Anonymous No.16441961]

>>16434656
Cringe

[Anonymous No.16441972]

>>16436174
Does Heidegger have opinions on the rise and fall of cultures? Yes I'm a complete Heidegger noob.

[Anonymous No.16441982]

>>16432163
>Prussianism and Socialism
>Refuting anything but intelligence itself.

[Anonymous No.16441987]

>>16431890
I've read some GK Chesterton. I dont know if he is right about everything, but he seems to have an opinion on everything.

[Anonymous No.16442481]

>>16436106
>Spengler fails because he only gives the science and not the science and the practice. He also didn't cover WWII Era cultural shifts the way Evola did.

He died in 1936 you Titanic Ignoramus.
Kys pleb.

[Anonymous No.16442655]

>>16432201
Kek

[Anonymous No.16442673]

>>16432517

[Anonymous No.16442695]

>>16433049
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16442717]

>>16441972
Yes absolutely, he focuses a lot on history and Gadamer's Hermeneutic philosophy is a direct extension of Heidegger's, but it's probably more his later thought that focus on the spiritual essentiality of differing cultures.

[Anonymous No.16442722]

>>16442695
Based egg-poster.

[Anonymous No.16442761]

>>16436742
Yup.

[Anonymous No.16442789]

>>16442673
Kek

[Anonymous No.16442952]

>>16431991
De Maistre.

[Anonymous No.16443049]

It's interesting how "LARP" is used on 4chan and 4chan adjacent circles. The Japanese are only "LARPing" when they practice Shinto earnestly as their ancestors have done for over two thousand years, but some 17 year old kid in 95% Methodist Punksatauney, Kentucky posting cathedrals on twitter is "authentic". STJ is "LARPing" when he talks about English folklore and fairytales that have been told since the Anglo-Saxons, Romans, or Celts set foot on the island (depending on the specific tale in question), but Guenon smoking pot and pretending to be a Sufi is "tradition".

But then if you ask these people what's upsetting about these things, what they really get at is that Takasushi Hirohata isn't stabbing Chinks with a Wakazashi, and that STJ isn't rowing a boat to Ireland to raid monasteries. It has nothing to do with authenticity, or even coherence. Rather, they have these aesthetic conceptions of religion as being a bundle of stats and bonuses/maluses ala a 4X game, and anything that doesn't conform with that aesthetic conception is wrong. They're the same people who get upset when you point out that the Middle Ages weren't a dung-encrusted derpessing shitheap and that people actually bathed quite frequently and wore (garishly) bright clothes. It's simple hyperreality, and nothing more. The image of the thing on the screen is more real than the thing in real life. Religion is just something people on TV have as part of their background, and is nothing more. If you don't conform to the aesthetic sensibilities of the screen, then you're ruining the show.

Like this retard, who hasn't read Spengler or Evola, by the way, >>16439355, who doesn't even use it as an acrnonym anymore. It's just a generic BAD WORD. Careful now, don't go doing THING or else you're a flubnub! Only glips do THAT!

[Anonymous No.16443559]

>>16441806
I think anon meant that science and politics have taken the societal role of religion in modernity and not its metaphysical meaning.

[Anonymous No.16443567]

>>16443049
>e Japanese are only "LARPing" when they practice Shinto earnestly as their ancestors have done for over two thousand years, but some 17 year old kid in 95% Methodist Punksatauney, Kentucky posting cathedrals on twitter is "authentic".
You have already started off with a strawman since the Kentucky kid would immediately be called a larper here. Not going to bother to read the rest of your post

[Anonymous No.16443879]

>>16443049
yikes you got major pleb filtered lol

[Anonymous No.16443888]

>>16438583
>Evola wasn't a Larper.
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.16444592]

>>16439839
>because he was precisely a proponent of distance and dignified respect, not blind doctrinaire fanaticism
That isn't my point here, when I say are followers of a second religiousness that does not mean Evola and his followers are dogmatic or over zealous, but that they are LARPing.
>>16439869
>were some of his first works and by his own admission imperfect
From what I recall on the timeline of Evola works pagan imperialism was one of his first works while Revolt was a later work. Maybe men among the ruins is a more finalized and elegant way to describe his worldview but I wish your kind would say that this is the case, that being "you haven't read Men Among the Ruins" rather then "you haven't read Evola." One implies you subscribe to all of his works the other illustrates you subscribe to his latter train of thought. Regardless, my reservations of pagan and Hindi thought are twofold. The first of which is that I think it goes against the Spenglerian model of history. That being that the Pagan, Hindi's and Western man access a similar enough idea of forms to have true authentic access to one anther's ideas of the divine I think is unfounded and thus puts the entire venture as something pointless. Similarly as you mention later on I think it encourages LARPagans and those who see religion as a means, rather then an end.

I also don't understand the draw towards wanting to know about perennialism? I think its something neat to mention on the side but to focus on entirely seems to be an admission of defeat with regard to one's own form of spirituality. For instances, I believe God allowed or willed the Egyptian and Roman pantheons as much as he did with the Jews such that the fusion would lead to men like Paul and St. Augustine who could sympathize the form words of all into Christianity revealing to us the form of God better (such as the trinity), which when the Megian culture left to its own devises rejects (see Islam). But to go into cultures for what their own divinity is sees to me like a longing for something else. Maybe I am mistaken but that is my feeling regarding it.

Lastly with regard to LARPagans and authenticity with Evola. Maybe you could tell me if you have read Pagan Imperialism, but my impression is Evola moved from Catholic to Pagan and back to Catholic. If he did not then I will throw you a bone and say that remedies my concern with Evola on his own sincerity, but if I'm not mistaken, and he did LARP as a pagan (something I cannot understand how any rational person could do within our modern age while being sincere) and I find his spirituality to be an illusion.

[Anonymous No.16445718]

>>16431911
This is the one and only correct answer. Huxley is THE end game.

[Anonymous No.16445773]

>>16432201
haha! yes! nice one hiedegger!

[Anonymous No.16446743]

>>16437590
>>16437615
>>16437638
based Weaver-poster

[Anonymous No.16446940]

>>16441806
>Science and politics cannot be a religion because science and politics are meant to adapt and change and religion is meant to transcend.

Its basically what this anon said:

>>16443559

But still, the idea that religion has to be something trancendend, isnt that a foreign idea? I mean did most pagan societies think their truth was trancendent or that is was their own blood, soil and tribal customs?

[Anonymous No.16446974]

>>16432630
Based

[Anonymous No.16447008]

>>16434829
Read Schopenhauer faggot
>>16441920
Plato's Parmenides, The Critique of Pure Reason, On the Fourfold Root of the Principle of Sufficient Reason are essential. If you really want appreciate Herr Schopenhauer, also read Descartes, Leibniz, Berkley and Hume.

[Anonymous No.16447647]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16447648]

Karl Marx

[Anonymous No.16447652]

>>16447647
Based

[Anonymous No.16447664]

>Spengler

[Anonymous No.16447795]

>>16447664

[Anonymous No.16447909]

>>16440184
I'll take that as a yes.

[Anonymous No.16448340]

answer the stone and start self-training

[Anonymous No.16448728]

>>16443049
Your comment is overall solid but trying to contrive Guenon into being a LARPer is also disingenuous.
>>16443888
>"noooo you can't read Evola you must only read modernistirinos nooooooooooo"
Opinion discarded.
>>16444592
>That isn't my point here, when I say are followers of a second religiousness that does not mean Evola and his followers are dogmatic or over zealous, but that they are LARPing.
Can you argue your point, then? Evola mostly limited himself to explaining ancient metaphysical system and analysing them precisely because he had no intention of inspiring revivalist larps.
>From what I recall on the timeline of Evola works pagan imperialism was one of his first works while Revolt was a later work. Maybe men among the ruins is a more finalized and elegant way to describe his worldview but I wish your kind would say that this is the case, that being "you haven't read Men Among the Ruins" rather then "you haven't read Evola."
Revolt was his early interwar call to action afaik. You should also consider that not all Evola readers are the same - I dislike most "Evolians" precisely because their understanding of and engagement with the material is very superficial.
>Regardless, my reservations of pagan and Hindi thought are twofold. The first of which is that I think it goes against the Spenglerian model of history. That being that the Pagan, Hindi's and Western man access a similar enough idea of forms to have true authentic access to one anther's ideas of the divine I think is unfounded and thus puts the entire venture as something pointless.
Evola's claim and that of all perennialists generally is that the forms are valid ways to the source, but are not themselves the source. Their entire work is dedicated to establishing just that and then to showing ways of connecting directly to the source. This is indeed pointless for most people, because they are incapable of overcoming their biases and prejudices, but that's exactly why the Traditionalists are esoteric writers.
>I also don't understand the draw towards wanting to know about perennialism?
Perennialism appeals to people for whom theism is implausible or impossible, but who also view atheism in the same light and are not content with a vague, mystical and vapid deism. For example, your story is much more easily reformulated as the history of two different and opposing traditions that nevertheless draw from the same source.
>But to go into cultures for what their own divinity is sees to me like a longing for something else.
The aim is not to appropriate foreign theism, but to see how foreign spiritual institutions accessed the source of all Tradition and see if they have anything valuable to offer. From the Traditionalist point of view, religions are instruments for getting somewhere - the somewhere matters, not the instrument.

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>>16444592
>Lastly with regard to LARPagans and authenticity with Evola. Maybe you could tell me if you have read Pagan Imperialism, but my impression is Evola moved from Catholic to Pagan and back to Catholic. If he did not then I will throw you a bone and say that remedies my concern with Evola on his own sincerity, but if I'm not mistaken, and he did LARP as a pagan (something I cannot understand how any rational person could do within our modern age while being sincere) and I find his spirituality to be an illusion.
AFAIK he was never a Catholic, except maybe possibly in his childhood, but he was never clear on that. He mentioned his early interest in "decayed mysticism", but eventually outgrew that. He also only briefly identified as "pagan", because he thought it was a loaded term. What he is actually a proponent of is the worldview that European pagans used to hold - solar spirituality. Evola strongly disliked Christianity, but nevertheless appreciated it as a spiritual force that drew from the source of Tradition and fought against the worst of modern subversion. He still identified the root of the problem in Christianity itself, but he wasn't "anti-Christian" in the activist sense of the word. His main concern with Christianity was its irreconcilable opposition to solar spirituality and higher values. I believe that in Ride the Tiger he refers to the values of Christianity as "the values of the Chandala", whereas the values he preferred were typically characterised as Kshatriya and Brahmin values (warrior and priestly caste).

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>>16432184
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>>16444592
I found once someone has a decent understanding of Astrology they cannot go back to abrahamic anything because the Pagan and Hindu breakdown of the cosmos matches infinitely fucking better than any hurr durr only one God. I go and look up in the sky or check a natal chart and I know exactly what's up. So "larpagan" actually gets rooted in a practice and science when one is so completely awakened to the archetypal forces occurring around them that no other faith could replace their mundane observations and encounters.

Problem is there's a lot of shitty intuitive rather than scientific astrology teachers and write ups online that have wishy washy blanket definitions that mess with the outcomes of study.

They take something like Aquarius and give it "humanitarian" "freedom loving" "unique" because Aquarian aspects make people aware of or adapted for the fixed ontology between things. It's fixed air, it's characteristics, it's fixed ontological states, so people like such could either (in the case of the sun) be completely conditioned to match a general or social characteristic or (through moon)be predisposed to process the world by seeing things through such, fixed ontological states. Yet again these idiots have such a lack of understanding of basic human faculties and behaviour that they make false equivalencies. To help solidify this particular explanation of aquarius I can say that every Aquarius Sun I've knows has been a turbo normie that absorbed whatever culture they were born into and that every Aquarius moon has been a slightly autistic right winger of various shades who always have an interesting breakdown of how things are. Another example is Mars and or Venus in Aquarius. Fervently midwit. Defending and or Loving the fixed ontological state, and the current state of affairs. The Mars in Aquarius were always malevolent SJW leftie scumbags and the Venus in Aquarius are always conservashit boomer types who's entire worldview is 1950s America MUH freedom MUH capitalism MUH jesus. Now depending on how these aspects are aspected you can get different variations but in general does any of that necessarily or technically mean "humanitarian" or "freedom loving" no, those are subjective bullshit definitions it simply means: (whatever planet and whatever function) (whatever house and whatever function) [the fixed ontological state of things/(collective/culture for obvious reasons)] (aspected to whatever else)

Anyway when you're trained to see this shit you can even guess peoples birthdays or periods based on aspects you sense. Evola saying he was Catholic at the end was conformity to fit in and get along with the last religious super-structure of his time which he had respect for which gave him social protections. There's nothing wrong with that.

And final point, Astrology is the cure for Larpaganism.

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>>16449416
>I go and look up in the sky or check a natal chart and I know exactly what's up.
can you give an example of how this works

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>>16439803
that's because you seem to be burgerbrained, thinking like an american, viz. this purity spiralling universalist weird variety of puritan protestantism. Now you might say you are a catholic or orthodox or whatever, it doesn't matter, you are american first, you see everything even your religion through the mind's eye of an american. That's why you say absurds such as
>hurr durr why read Evola why not read the TRUE and HONEST hardcore religious christian church father
because people read for pleasure and take what they want or need from the book. You could read tbe bhagavad gita and take great inspiration from it and even apply principles from it into your life and faith and still remain a christian. Religion at the end of the day is about the relationship between man and God and you will not hurt God's feelings for reading le blue man god book or le durka durka book or whatever. Whilst your puritan totalitarian universal purity spiralling overlords have abused your consciousness from day one ever since they cut your dick to right now as they blast you with abuse and humiliation, that does not need to be so and you don't get the right to attempt to convert other, more sober cultures into your weird culture-national-cult-mentality. God doesn't want that either btw

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>>16449416
The cure for astrology is modern science.

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>>16448340
where do I start with Slaughterdick?

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>>16449416
Poo in loo, okay? Thanks.

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>>16449442
The tumultuous times we're in. I'll use the most general and basic words I can.

The first Corona Madness happened at
Jupiter(conduit of change) conjunct Saturn(flow of time) conjunct Mars(Aggression) at the end of Capricorn(flow of time), Squared(Aggressive aspect) Uranus(Fixed ontology/Society) in Taurus(perfect stasis)

So what you get is a massive hiccup that lasts for a while I should mention that before jupiter and Saturn went retrograde Mars and Saturn entered Aquarius which as I mentioned was the collective or general fixed ontology. (Aggressive timebound social ontology) square Uranus(social ontology).

Now for the death of George floyd:

>Mars(aggression) in pisces(meaning) square(aggressive) sun(state of being) in gemini(base/pre-ontology)

>Neptune(meaning) in pisces(meaning) square(aggressive) to venus(love/completion) conjunct(together) mercury(state of the nature) in gemini(base/pre-ontology)

Along with the Saturn square Uranus I mentioned earlier. So we basically get mars in pisces, everyone "deeply" emotional about the Corona shit opposed to our state of being(sun in gemini) and neptune being the mesning itself attacking venus and mercury on Gemini being peace of society.

If you even go by the exact time, 9:25 may 25th Minneapolis then the sun(state of being) is in the 11th house(Uranus/Aquarius/ fixed ontology) and moon(reaction) is in cancer(reaction) in the 12th(meaning). You also have Uranus in the 10th(time).

I can do this shit all day the problem is after a point it becomes autism and most of it is unnecessary. But yet it's there for me to fucking see and study and abrahamist dogs tell me it's a sin to be cognizant of these forces.

Also get ready for January, that's civil war time. With jupiter, Saturn, sun, venus, in early aquarius(collective) square(aggressive) to Uranus in Taurus. With everything else unstable and the likelihood of some sort of election issues. We could face a serious problem.

Heres George Floyds death chart.

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>>16449769
>>16449842
Dogmatic abrahamist subhumans go fuck goats and worship your Jewish Gods while my Pagan people birthed civilization itself and you owe us everything.

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>>16449991
did Sumerians have the Zodiac?

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>>16449996
Yes, basic understandings of the astro-cosmos.

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>>16449991
I am the pagan sir, it is you who belongs to the category of dogmatic abrahamist. Abraham being from the land of astrologers and such nonsense.

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>>16449416
>Anyway when you're trained to see this shit you can even guess peoples birthdays or periods based on aspects you sense. Evola saying he was Catholic at the end was conformity to fit in and get along with the last religious super-structure of his time which he had respect for which gave him social protections. There's nothing wrong with that.
Do you have any source to Evola identifying as a Catholic? I have never seen him refer to himself as such. He has said some good things about Catholicism occasionally, but I don't recall him ever endorsing it as a living tradition.

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>>16450025
>land of astrologers
You mean earth?

>>16450042
He never did but as far as him "identifying" he identified as a "Catholic Pagan" and the two flip flopped here and there

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>>16450056
>He never did but as far as him "identifying" he identified as a "Catholic Pagan" and the two flip flopped here and there
Do you have any source on that? AFAIK his last work is "Path of Cinnabar" and in there he deliberately warns against defaulting to Catholicism.

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>>16450056
>You mean earth?
Wow, how stupid can you be not to get that reference.....

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>>16450070
Someones works and social identity for pragmatism sake can differ you fucking idiot.

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>>16450087
I did not say otherwise. What I am asking for is evidence of your claim that Evola ever identified as a Catholic. As far as I am aware, he never did. Since he is also a proponent of "taking the hardest road", I can not possibly see a reason why he would, even for pragmatist concerns.

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>>16449961
Based and redpilled.

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>>16431982
Edge

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>>16442695
Saved

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>>16435666
Checked by the Caesar himself.
Very impressive.

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>>16432630
>As a rule, it will be found that a man is sociable just in the degree in which he is intellectually poor and generally vulgar.
>It is said that the most sociable of all people are the Negroes and that they are at the bottom of the scale in intellect.
based

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>>16431890

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>>16449961
Based department... It's for you

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>>16436742
based

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>>16432343
good take

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>>16435666
checked

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>>16431890
oh look another fucked up /pol/ thread in /lit/, who'da thunk it?

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>>16434609
That was when he was in jail, he was an alright looking guy, and an aristocrat, at that age pictured.

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>>16449961
>explains every event observed
>predicts nothing
thank you decorticated religion

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>>16449791
>understand habits
You must change your life
>understand interpersonality
Spheres 1
>understand globalization
Spheres 2
>understand society
Spheres 3
>understand "capitalism"
The World Interior of Capital
>understand emotional politics
Rage and Time

Essay collections: After God, Not Saved, Neither Sun Nor Death,
Small books: The Art of Philosophy, Stress and Freedom, Nietzsche Apostle, Derrida; an Egyptian.

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>>16448340
What about Safranski?

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>>16439821
Giga Based

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>>16431982
based and you're right

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>>16444592
>>16448770
>>16449416
> I believe that in Ride the Tiger he refers to the values of Christianity as "the values of the Chandala", whereas the values he preferred were typically characterised as Kshatriya and Brahmin values (warrior and priestly caste).
It's been said (though I forgot where I read it) that Evola identified as a "Catholic Pagan" by his late stage works. I always took this as a sort of conceding to the catholic tradition. Just not the Catholic-Christian tradition. Evola acknowledged Christanity had an Aryan, Solar component in the form of the Crusaders, Knights and Holy Roman Empire. He just chose to interpret this as being brought over by Germanics in spite of Christanity, as opposed to some sort of Hegelian synthesis (which I think is a more likely answer). I think the most meaningful answer as to "why didn't Evola become Catholic" is simply that Evola did not feel a desire to take what Christ offered him. Like Nietzche, Evola prefered Buddhism due to Buddhism very self-active approach to transcedence, as opposed to the very devotion heavy transcendence of Christanity.

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the wasps never forgave him for destroying puritanism, and to this day still attack him

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>>16448728
>Can you argue your point, then
Sure. When I say second religiousness I mean a reaction of helplessness against rationalism. It is not dogmatic, but it is skepticism in the intellectual forms of the culture, which leads those who follow it into foreign mystery cults, which is particularly why the Egyptian pantheons and Christian Church became so popular in Rome, why Hinduism's resurgence destroyed Buddhism in India, and why Buddhism became so popular in China. The second religiousness is thus a breakdown of a culture towards either foreign elements or towards distorted spring time elements that the culture can never regain. Maybe its because I have not read enough of Evola to see his attempts to quash revivalist LARPing but from Evola's perennialism I see nothing but a cultural decay of the second religiousness. In fact I think you do a better job explaining this with why you think perennialism has an appeal. Which again is why I'm not sold on it.
>Revolt was his early interwar call to action afaik. You should also consider that not all Evola readers are the same
Fair, this conversation has even made me re-consider my interpretations of revolt. I will read Ruins if you recommend it with an open mind but I will continue to read it critically.
>getting somewhere - the somewhere matters, not the instrument
Do you really believe this? If you do how can you authentically believe in any religion? I think it would be much easier to say that both mater immensely given one is giving one a map towards said destination.
>>16448770
Thanks, I have heard something similar to what >>16453535 said regarding a "catholic pagan" which is why I asked. Though I disagree with his idea that it is a Hegelian synthesis given that I think its a more a false form on the west (though I think its a transcendent form so I think that is not an issue.)
>>16449583
>burgerbrained, thinking like an american, viz. this purity spiralling universalist weird variety of puritan protestantism
Firstly I'm from Latin America so guess you miss the mark on that one. Though same hemisphere so I guess that counts for something. Secondly I think universality is a common western theme not just American or Protestant.
>because people read for pleasure and take what they want or need from the book
Means nothing, then why not read fiction.
>bhagavad gita and take great inspiration from it and even apply principles from it into your life and faith and still remain a christian
This isn't about that. As I said it has to do with the second religiousness. Read above if you wish to know why I'm against that. I am skeptical of most of the ideas within patternalism because of that. I think the instrument in which you use to strive for a transcendent message must be authentic and mater to you. If you want to go soul searching to make certain you believe what you do by all means do. If that leads you towards a new faith so be it. But I dislike things that aren't real such as LARPing.

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>>16452249
Okay heres This. January will be very fucking bad for U.S.

Screencap this.

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>>16453568
This.

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>>16443049
>LARP
I blame the abrahamites. They can't grasp the idea behind pagan revival movements so in their simple heads they have to make a meme of it.
This or simply acting in bad faith.

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>>16434656
based

[Anonymous No.16455226]

>>16453535
>It's been said (though I forgot where I read it) that Evola identified as a "Catholic Pagan"
That does not sound like something that would come from Evola.
>Evola acknowledged Christanity had an Aryan, Solar component in the form of the Crusaders, Knights and Holy Roman Empire.
Your very next line shows that you understand Evola acknowledged no such thing - he referred to the knightly orders and the Sacral Imperium as essentially non-Christian.
> Maybe its because I have not read enough of Evola to see his attempts to quash revivalist LARPing but from Evola's perennialism I see nothing but a cultural decay of the second religiousness.
I think you haven't read enough. Evola does not at all aim at a "helpless reaction against rationalism". On the contrary, trying to prop up dying and hyper-decayed religious forms completely disconnected from their metaphysical source and depleted of their strength is what Evola considers a "helpless reaction against rationalism". The aim isn't "religious revival" or "mass spirituality". The aim is retracing the way back to the source of all religions - pure spirit. This way can be traced from many points of departure and the more broad and extensive the analysis, the more fruitful the results. What is important to Evola is not the restoration of paganism as an institution, but the restoration of spiritual strength, values and vitality that were characterised best by the pagans of the Classical era. The form is not the substance, though the two are obviously tightly related, at least insofar as expression of the substance through the form is concerned.
>Fair, this conversation has even made me re-consider my interpretations of revolt. I will read Ruins if you recommend it with an open mind but I will continue to read it critically.
So long as you explore his work with an open mind and seek to understand his perspective, I think you will be pleased by what you find. He's been a very beneficial influence for me, though his incisive analysis has often been difficult to digest.

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>>16453881
>>16455226
I forgot to link my first reply to yours, check the above post first.
>Do you really believe this? If you do how can you authentically believe in any religion? I think it would be much easier to say that both mater immensely given one is giving one a map towards said destination
They do matter immensely, but what provides religion its importance is its ability to arrive at something beyond itself. You do not baptise people for the sake of baptism in itself, you baptise them in order to produce certain effects on their spirit - at least in theory.
>If you do how can you authentically believe in any religion?
You can't. That is the catch of the Kali Yuga. Religion is ineffective in the current era. Here you also have to consider that Traditional doctrines reserve secret knowledge for some and not for all, because those unqualified will be harmed by its truth. You can transition from one state to another, but the process is always challenging. "The Myth of the Grail" examines the initiation ceremonies of the Knights Templar and demonstrates the same principle, if you are interested. At the lower ranks, everything is done in the name of God and every action is dedicated to him. Once a man has proven his incredible strength in faith, the masters begin an initiation ceremony where they force him to blaspheme against God. In this manner, by rejecting all earthly manifestations of the divine principle, an awakening occurs - the growth and power that had previously been ascribed to the deity are then revealed simply as the hidden powers dormant in man (pure spirit). This is direct connection with transcendence, rather than "religiare" - "re-connection" through a religious medium.
The problem today is that since we live in an aberrant era, a loss of faith often results not in a state of direct and certain knowledge, but rather in a dismissive, blind materialism. In these circumstances, since religion no longer carries a normative character, rejecting it poses the threat of serving not as a rejection of a medium, rejected for the sake of arriving at the source, but as rejecting everything of spiritual nature. This is the case with the typical atheist. Without a suitable environment, pursuing transcendence today is made very difficult and the most fitting course of action is to therefore aim for it at its source with the hopes of a direct and high quality link.

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>>16456003
based

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>>16443049
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>>16454063
Based and redpilled

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>>16431911
what a chad

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You cannot refute him

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>>16441920
>>16447008
Or you can just start with Schopenhauer's Aphorisms.

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>>16453568
>I was sexually abused as a child but it's a total coincidence that all my analysis is nothing more than accusing everything that exists of being the abuser honest

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>>16452021
Nah, him crying about the USA nuking the Japs in the letter that the guardian printed was pure cringe.

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>>16455060

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>>16458531
cope

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>>16431905
Such a simple, yet beautiful statement. I guess I should read Crowley one of these days.

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>>16431911
Saw this on twitter.
Even twitter algo says Hux was right.
https://twitter.com/nickdothutton/status/1309058916005883904?s=20

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>>16457476
>start with some irrelevant german
Yawn

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>>16455226
>pleased by what you find
I was at first very happy to read revolt due to it conforming to main of my political biases, those being, anti egalitarianism and striving for a divine medium. But upon better scrutinizing it the second time I was disappointed in the systems Evola used to come to said conclusions. I will give Ruins a chance then, I hope Evola has matured into a better metaphysician by the time he has wrote this work. I'm sure I'll be refreshed to read his conclusions none-the-less.
>>16455272
>certain effects on their spirit - at least in theory
Right, but that is due to believing in the effect baptism has on their spirit which comes from the belief in Christianity.
Regarding your statement with regard to not being able to authentically believe in any religion I think the above statement illustrates why I think its problematic to say that is the case. To believe in a divinity and the divinity of the rituals in which one preforms but only then to reject the divinity of the rituals causes the transcendence of the actions one preforms to be lost. If one believes all actions are transcendent then does that not mean that none are? For with the exception of Hinduism which believes in many gods there is very little form legitimizing this belief, but at which point you are not a believer in a meta faith, but instead a Hindu who has incorporated other pantheons/religions into their own faith (something they do surprisingly often). One needs a metaphysical backing of their system for said system to function, one cannot strive for divinity without a map saying what is and isn't divine thus religion is necessary and again to attempt to create a meta religion like you have leads to Hinduism (or at least one form of it, there are a lot of different Hindi faiths).
Instead what I believe in is the meta religion is Christianity which is why all cultures share aspects with Christian doctrine. I do not think that modern beliefs in religion in which have lead to atheism and nihilism are due to these beliefs but rather I see it as the end morphological state of the west and its form of nihilism. All cultures have their own, but the Faustian form is an active denial of transcendence, where as the Apollonian and Megian are to become apathetic towards it and the Indian and Chinese are to redirect their energy elsewhere. I think that our state of nihilism is breaking down into a second religiousness today; however, I do not think that the product will not be a return to authentic faith, but instead I fear it will be mystery cults one of which will stem from beliefs like Evola's.

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>>16434656
Absolutely based.

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>>16460778
That's the most disgusting fucking thing I've laid my eyes on in my life.

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>>16459814
>Regarding your statement with regard to not being able to authentically believe in any religion I think the above statement illustrates why I think its problematic to say that is the case.
You could believe in religion as an expression of something higher than itself - pure transcendence - but the aim is to go beyond mere belief entirely. You may already feel the same yourself - at one point you just "know" that something is true. The aim then is to make your knowledge not just mental, but also spiritual, through direct experience.
>If one believes all actions are transcendent then does that not mean that none are?
Not all actions are transcendent - only the actions of men who have awakened transcendence within themselves are transcendent. In theory, any action can be "divinized", but only by a "divine man" who is in touch with his spirit. Zen is based on a similar premise - the sattori awakens a new quality that then transforms every action and infuses it with that quality.
>For with the exception of Hinduism which believes in many gods there is very little form legitimizing this belief, but at which point you are not a believer in a meta faith, but instead a Hindu who has incorporated other pantheons/religions into their own faith (something they do surprisingly often).
The Hindus, ideally, also do not worship "many gods" except as manifestations of a supreme source. This can be seen in the Bhagavad Gita. It's a wonderful read, if you are interested. Organic European spirituality is based on similar premises - there are gods, but no "God" - all existence can instead find its roots in the divine essence, the source, the unmanifested.
>One needs a metaphysical backing of their system for said system to function, one cannot strive for divinity without a map saying what is and isn't divine thus religion is necessary and again to attempt to create a meta religion like you have leads to Hinduism (or at least one form of it, there are a lot of different Hindi faiths).
You are correct here, but this problem can be reduced to having a set of practices that produce a desired result. Discovering and sharing the correct formula is precisely Evola's task (and also that of the Traditionalists more broadly).
>Instead what I believe in is the meta religion is Christianity which is why all cultures share aspects with Christian doctrine.
The challenge here is that attacks on the heritage of Christianity can be used to invalidate transcendence as a whole, whereas through the perennialist perspective any criticism (valid or not) of one tradition could at worst lead to the admission of a single mistake within a single tradition, rather than a wholesale system failure.

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>>16459814
>however, I do not think that the product will not be a return to authentic faith, but instead I fear it will be mystery cults one of which will stem from beliefs like Evola's.
A more appropriate term here would be "decayed mysticism" or perhaps "vapid mysticism". The Mystery Cults were the highest form of spirituality in the ancient world, related most strongly with royalty. They were oriented towards the comprehension of mysteries, rather than the blind grasping towards revelation characteristic of mysticism. I believe it is precisely that which is referred to as "the second religiosity", devoid of its original meaning and vitality. With all this said, Evola did not aim at the creation of any "cults", his job was to formulate an effective personal approach towards transcendence and a practical, comprehensible analysis of world Tradition.

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>>16431982
Correct

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>>16432630
This

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>>16460778
Holy... based, brother. Ayn Rand (pbuh) retroactively refuted cringe sophists, socialists and christcucks

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>>16431982
Retard neet who never had a job.

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>>16431890
>>16432245
>>16434868
Based trad brothers.
>>16432181
Simp but great author.
>>16432184
>>16432250
>le degenerate coomer meme
>>16432517
>the man who destroyed metaphysics
>based
Pick one.

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>>16454063
In what way? Do you think Trump will become a dictator (awesome) or there will be a civil war?

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[Anonymous No.16464030]

>>16431890

[Anonymous No.16464033]

>>16464025
*retroactively refutes Marxism*

[Anonymous No.16464060]

>>16463790
picked two

[Anonymous No.16464118]

>>16431905
>Every nigga is a star
based

[Anonymous No.16464154]

>>16446743
we need more Weaver on /lit/

[Anonymous No.16464188]

>>16464025
>>16464033
>"If Mathus's theory of population is correct, then I can not abolish this [iron law of wages] even if I abolish wage labour a hundred times, because this law is paramount not only over the system of wage labour but also over every social system. Stepping straight from this, the economists [that is, the school of thought usually identified today as the Physiocrats] proved fifty years ago or more that socialism cannot abolish poverty, which is based on nature, but only communalise it, distribute it equally over the whole surface of society"
>Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Program

[Anonymous No.16464733]

bump

[Anonymous No.16465206]

>>16431890

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[Anonymous No.16465296]

>>16465206
Why would you do this, anon?

[Anonymous No.16465326]

>>16465296
With some leeway, I believe he's come close to being right about everything

[Anonymous No.16465464]

>>16465326
>some leeway

[Anonymous No.16465668]

>>16465326
Why would you say that anon? Do you even know what ideas he actually takes a stand for?

[Anonymous No.16465902]

>>16465668
I don't care for what he personally stands for, I care for what I see in his work, as you would any philosopher if you were to take them seriously. Maps of Meaning, which contains most of what about Peterson I'm personally interested in, was written in 1999, long before the advent of his very, very recent and transient fame as a political spokesperson and liberal figurehead; Your argument here doesn't hold water unless I'm misinterpreting you.

[Anonymous No.16465915]

>>16465668
>>16465902
Any mention of Peterson in a good light also makes many on this board seethe, so I always make it a point to bring him up with the snarkiest and most unapologetically preachy and grandiose tone possible for my personal amusement.

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Where would someone recommend starting with Evola

[Anonymous No.16466725]

>>16431982
Only correct answer

[Anonymous No.16466747]

>>16431982
Only correct answer
Also Lenin

[Anonymous No.16466773]

>>16431890