/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16416575]

Is this a panic book?
I'll admit I don't know much about /lit/ and am more of a /tv/ guy, but this book really captivated me and in no small part because it reminded me a lot of jodorowsky's and arrabal's movies, particularly for the way it seems to combine the filthy with the sublime, and seems to seek the holy in blood and excrement while ridiculing western religious, cultural, and consumerist iconography.
Beyond its anarchic and iconoclastic undertones it really seemed to advocate for an embracing of the darker sides of existance in order to free modern men from the emotional chains that limit him and to seek a childish, rebellious, extreme euphoric trance.
Do you think this book classifies as a panic book? Are his other stuff as good? Other authros that you would recommend?

[Anonymous No.16416602]

Panic book? What the hell are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.16416642]

>>16416602
Google is your friend man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_Movement
Though I do realize that it is not something that applies to literature, since it was a performance art movement founded by directors and illustrators
But that is kind of my question. Could the definition apply to this book? Also I was looking for recs too I guess

[Anonymous No.16416674]

>>16416642
Not sure if id say 100 years of solitude fits that definition but then again im not too familliar with the movement to have a feel for it. if youre looking for something that "combines the filthy with the sublime" i can highly reccomend Les chants de Maldoror, which was a big influence on the surrealist movement and with that very probably on Buñuel as well.

[Anonymous No.16416679]

>>16416575
What the fuck is a panic book, you crossboarding motherfucker?
My god you TV faggots and your verbal vomiting of terms are so fucking pretentious, jerking off over your obscure shit and piss movies.
First tip of fucking literature, the more obscure and "try hard" you make your writing, the more pretentious and fart sniffing you will look. Smart people and brilliant authors dont throw out terms willy nilly and hope to sounds smart, they handpick and use their words carefully to deliver the exact message they want to the reader.

[Anonymous No.16416681]

>>16416642
Well I searched "panic book" and got nothing, because you were talking as if it was a term people should know and not something you've just made up in reference to this film movement.

I really did not get this reading from 100 years of Solitude. In fact, I didn't find it to be violent or shocking at all. It's quite a funny book, in fact. Read more.

[Anonymous No.16416706]

>>16416575
>>16416674
Listen to this man, Les Chants de Maldoror is all you need. Henry Miller and Celine could work too.

[Anonymous No.16416710]

>>16416679
/tv/ is arguably the most braindead and dimwit board on this site aside for /v/
I used to term because it was a useful shortcut to convey a larger and more complex idea, which I went on to explain anyway in the rest of the post to be clear. you could literally ignore the first line of the post and get all you need to know about my question
idk why you got this asshurt
>>16416681
I thought it was funny as well, much like I thought a lot of el topo or holy mountain was funny too. I still feel there was a great destabilizing, violent, grotesque component and that archetypes such as incest and sadism were implemented in sort of a paradoxically therapeutic way

[Anonymous No.16416727]

>>16416575

This is me again >>16416679
Also it sounds like you are projecting heavily what you want the book to be about.
>Beyond its anarchic and iconoclastic undertones it really seemed to advocate for an embracing of the darker sides of existance in order to free modern men from the emotional chains that limit him and to seek a childish, rebellious, extreme euphoric trance.

What the fuck are you trying to say with this absolute disgusting sentence? Its a repackaged "Modern men are basedboys" dressed up with fancy terms, but none the less shows that your comprehension is understood through literal memes.

>>16416642
>telling people to google
>uses terms from performance art to describe literature
Do you exclusively breath through your mouth?

>>16416710
I still feel there was a great destabilizing, violent, grotesque component and that archetypes such as incest and sadism were implemented in sort of a paradoxically therapeutic way

Are all /tv posters this pretentious?
Theres nothing paradoxical in this, and your wording makes your pseudo intellectualism obvious.

[Anonymous No.16416755]

>>16416727
why are you afraid of words?

[Anonymous No.16416771]

>>16416727
why are you seething so hard at a completely normal thread?

[Anonymous No.16416785]

>>16416755
Your sentences are all dressing and no meaning.
Their content is basic and not insightful to the degree you think they are.
I am giving you advice about writing, because thats what half this board is for. Reading and writing.
Many intellectuals have written like that and have been criticized for it, Jacques Lacan comes to mind. He had some interesting ideas, but he had to sniff his own farts and masturbate while writing, which comes off in his writing style. Its the definition of being a pseud.

>>16416771
Tell me what a panic book is and what books are "panic" books.
Also tell me how
>the archetypes of incest and sadism are implemented in a paradoxical and therapeutic way
Is not a pseud sentence

[Anonymous No.16416793]

>>16416785
>Tell me what a panic book is and what books are "panic" books.
that's the point of the thread dummy. I thought I made it clear in the op
>Also tell me how
>>the archetypes of incest and sadism are implemented in a paradoxical and therapeutic way
>Is not a pseud sentence
what am I supposed to do? explain what I meant?

[Anonymous No.16417230]

>>16416575
maybe it's because magical realism has some similarities? Idk

Fernando Arrabal about the 'Panic movement':
>Panic is the criticism of pure reason, it is the gang without laws and without command, it is the explosion of 'pan' (everything), it is the disrespectful respect for the god Pan, it is the hymn to mad talent, it is the anti-movement, it is the rejection of 'seriousness', is the song to the lack of ambiguity ... It is the art of living (which takes into account confusion and chance), it is the principle of indeterminacy with memory involved ... And quite the opposite
>a way of expression dominated by confusion, memory, intelligence, humor and terror.

Arturo Uslar Pietri the one who introduced the concept of magical realism into the hispanoamerican literature about the magical realism:
>What came to predominate in the story and to mark its mark in an enduring way was the consideration of man as a mystery in the midst of realistic data. A poetic divination or a poetic denial of reality. What for lack of another word can be called a magical realism.

[Anonymous No.16417320]

Also we could continue with the term 'real maravilloso' (maravelous real):

>The idea of the marvelous real was introduced in an article published in the newspaper "El Nacional" in 1948. The following year it appeared in the introduction of El Reino de Este Mundo. There are still disagreements among those who study literature as to exactly what the difference is between marvelous realism and magical realism, if there is any difference.
>Carpentier described the marvelous real in his introduction: "I was stepping on a land where thousands of men eager for freedom believed in the lycanthropic powers of Mackandal, to the point that this collective produced a miracle on the day of his execution ... At every step he found the real wonderful. " At the end of the introduction Carpentier posed a question to future readers: "But what is the history of America as a whole but a chronicle of the real-marvelous?" Thus he isolated his concept to something exclusively Latin American and not national.In The Kingdom of this World, the marvelous real forms another perspective on history - it is not necessarily a fiction.
>"Magical realism" is a term coined by the German art critic Franz Roh in his 1925 essay Post-Expressionism: The Problems of the New European Painting, published in Ortega y Gasset's Revista de Occidente and after a certain debate applied to the Spanish-American literary productions (The kingdom of this world was published for the first time in 1949). Juan Barroso VIII defined magical realism as follows: "... the combination of themes that reflect reality within an accuracy and detailed depth with techniques that, although they break with the laws within the total unity of the work."

>Carpentier is widely known for his theory of lo real maravilloso. This is the notion that the history and the geography of Latin America are both so extreme as to appear fictional or even magical to outsiders. Thus, Latin America is a region where the line between magic and reality is blurred. It was in the prologue to The Kingdom of this World, a novel of the Haitian Revolution, that he described his vision of lo real maravilloso: "But what is the history of Latin America but a chronicle of magical realism?". The novel itself develops the outlandish (but true) history of Henri Christophe, first king of Haiti, as an example of how the real history of Latin America is so strange as to appear fictional. Some critics interpret the real maravilloso as being synonymous with magical realism. However, Carpentier's theory and its development in his work are more limited in their scope than is the magical realism of, for example, Gabriel García Márquez. Whereas García Márquez's works include events that the reader never mistakes for reality (rainfall of flowers, old men with wings, etc.), Carpentier, for the most part, simply writes about extreme aspects of the history and geography of Latin America, aspects that are almost unbelievable, but that are in fact true.

[Anonymous No.16417376]

>>16416575
there's no such thing as a "panic book".
stop talking like a movie critic.
but one hundred years of solitude is one of the best books ever written.

[Anonymous No.16417753]

good on you OP for giving this book some thought. lit is full of embarrassed and self-conscious midwits, so don't mind the REEEEEing you got.

[Anonymous No.16417772]

>>16416642
Dude are you serious?

Those fucking literal who filmmakers are no match for Marquez. Please stop this fucking ridiculous comparison. Bunuel i can understand but Jodorkowsky or whatever his name is ..is worthless.

[Anonymous No.16417908]

>>16417772
I don't like jodorowsky either but I saw the similarities. especially in santa sangre
check out arraball though, he's great

[Anonymous No.16417989]

>that bit with the underage prostitute who has to sleep with 100 men every night to pay off her debts

[Anonymous No.16418084]

>>16416575
>Magical realism

This is one of my favorite books because he’s so good at it.