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16405367 No.16405367 [Reply] [Original]

What is it about materialism that is so attractive to leftists?
Any books that explain the connection?

>> No.16405384

Avoids having to go through metaphysics to reach unions.
Leftists want unions but don't want the ontological baggage.

>> No.16405413

>>16405367
If you are not a materialist in the current year you
1.) are a retard
2.) don't know what materialism is and think it is retard shit like "dude everything is just chemicals in your brain there is no meaning dude"
and 3.) are a retard

>> No.16405418

To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. -Marx

>> No.16405422

>>16405413
deranged

>> No.16405423

They want sobornost without the effort of actually building a spiritual tie between people.
Once you realize that leftists just don't like working or effort, all of these things come together.

>> No.16405430

>>16405422
retard

>> No.16405434

>>16405413

Literally faggot tier shit. Can't wait until your materialism is eliminated and you're fucking dead

>> No.16405437

>>16405367
It has the advantage of being true.

>> No.16405440

>>16405413
what is materialism?

>> No.16405453

This board is full of morons,

>>16405367
The connection exists only in your head.

>>16405418
Marx was a materialist, dumbass.

>>16405413
Anyone born after 1950 who calls it 'materialism' has never read a book on philosophy.

>> No.16405494

Why don't commies take materialism to its logical conclusion that due to the material conditions of their local geography certain ethnic groups evolved in certain ways to deal with those conditions and that some of those evolved traits aren't conducive to living in a modern society?

>> No.16405523

There's a part of the brain which governs religiosity. Leftist tend to be underdevelopmed in that part.

>> No.16405534
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>>16405523
Mental deficiencies tend to cluster

>> No.16405539

>>16405367
Leftists aren't attracted to materialism, they only pretend they are so they can burn trashcans in the name of some cause. Marxism is the real, major materialist influence on leftism and it's really just a choice of convenience because it eliminates the possibility of anything more worthwhile than material aspirations, therefore consecrating the class war as the highest good.
>>16405413
Ask me how I know you're 103 IQ.

>> No.16405672

>>16405494
Because they're schizos

>> No.16405695

>>16405367
It isn't, they are largely living in a fantasy world that is generated by an intricate web of institutions, actors and ideology all feeding back into eachother.

>> No.16406457

materialism is correct, so it appeals to anyone who doesnt have emotional commitments to metaphysical bullshit.

>> No.16406468

>>16405367
if materialism is true, then God isnt real
if God isnt real morality doesnt apply
Leftists love immorality and freedom
Thats why they love materialism

>> No.16406475

>>16405413
your experience exists
your experience is not material
materialism btfo

>> No.16406525

>>16406457
>emotional bad
>rational good
>rationality is immaterial
>the existence of rationality disproves materialism

>> No.16406550

>>16406468
Close. To the materialist the world is just an empty playground with no purpose or meaning. There is nothing to strive for, nothing to consider beyond ones base impulse. No drive to transcend.

The materialist is someone who wishes to dwell on the lowest possible level in the cosmic sense. Blinding their eyes to any higher splendor since they fear the clarity and transformation it inevitably brings.

tl;dr materialism is spiritual delayed adolescence

>> No.16406597

Solving materialist goals are believed to be more tangible and realistic

>> No.16406636

>>16406475
>your experience exists
sure
>your experience is not material
no
>materialism btfo
nope

>> No.16406651

>>16406468
Deleuze on the distinction of morality and ethics:
"Yes, establishing ways of existing or styles of life isn’t just an aesthetic matter, it’s what Foucault called ethics, as opposed to morality. The difference is that morality presents us with a set of constraining rules of a special sort, ones that judge actions and intentions by considering them in relation to transcendent values (this is good, that’s bad…); ethics is a set of optional rules that assess what we do, what we say, in relation to the ways of existing involved. We say this, do that: or say through mean-spiritedness, a life based on hatred, or bitterness toward life. Sometimes it takes just one gesture of word. It’s the style of life involved in everything that makes us this or that"

>> No.16406747

>>16406636
You either haven't read Kant's CPR or you reject it if you think you can presume this "material world" outside your subjective experience of it.

>> No.16406760

who cares you fucking nerd

>> No.16407262

>>16406747
I believe there is no universe that is not perceived just like Kant (subjects are spatializations/temporalizations of a field or domain that pre-exists them, not spotlights in a noumenal darkness), but unlike Kant I believe that the structure of the mind is enough to prove that, somehow, the mind also generates itself. The transcendental facts of cognition are not enough to authorize cognition as the author of nature.

The mind is emergent within a larger totality: nature. More to the point, it's an extremely complex output of that field, but again, just one output out of many, human consciousness doesn't have ontological priority over the prehensive centers of simpler organisms i.e. "man as part of nature", man as an integral part of a mind-independent reality.

>> No.16407475

>>16406468
Morality is logically incompatible with theism, retard.

>> No.16408677

>>16407475
If you're talking about the Euthyphro dilemma, a cursory reading on it will show you it's been thoroughly debunked multiple times. Moron.

>> No.16408714

Idealism

>> No.16408843

>>16406636
>>your experience is not material
>no
proof to the contrary: no material collection can have intentional properties, experience has intentional properties, therefore experience is not material
atheists much smarter than you have already realized this and so decide to reject intentionality and hence "experience" altogether (see Dennet and Rosenberg).

Since you accept the existence of experience you therefore accept materialism is btfo

>> No.16408862

>>16405367
You got it backwards. They are materialists, so leftism (equality, human rights, hedonism, etc.) is their only way to cope with life. If you believe in absolute metaphysical truths, then your way of dealing with life would be the reverse of leftism.

>> No.16409049

>>16405413
/thread

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>>16405367
The left has an insatiable fetish for material products
The 1s most addicted to this materialism will deny it the loudest

>> No.16409110

>>16409094
The Troll has insatuable fetish for angry leftists. The 1s most addicted to this fetish will deny it tge loudest.