/lalg/ - Latin American Literature General

[Anonymous No.16395867]

What are your two favorite authors and why do they absolutely btfo the rest of the continent?
For me, it's Drummond and Borges. You simply can't outclass their poetry and short stories.

[Anonymous No.16395912]

>>16395867
goat comin through

[Anonymous No.16395935]

>>16395912
Still am to read more stuff from him, what do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.16395939]

>>16395935
ive only read aura and la region más transparente apart from pic related, but they were both good

[Anonymous No.16395964]

>>16395867
nvm me, just the best portuguese language book coming through

Borges is GOAT, but i also really like Neruda's poems. good choice on Drummond

lastly, any recs for current/contemporanean authors? is ubaldo ribeiro just a meme or nah? i've been meaning to read Viva o Povo Brasileiro but idk if it's just botequim literature

[Anonymous No.16396005]

I recently read Aventuras de un novelista atonal by Laiseca and was pretty dissapointed, I had high expectations on him based on what I've heard. Is there anymore to him that "lol such random xd"? Did I choose a bad book that doesn't represent him well?

[Anonymous No.16396009]

>>16395964
Yeah Rosa is also really great, I've been mostly reading modernist literature as of lately honestly, after going through Machado and other pre-modernist works it's just a bucket of cold water.

I also would appreciate recs on contemporanean brazilian stuff, but Ponciá Vicêncio by Conceição Evaristo is a really great book. I'm thankful my teacher forced it upon everyone in High School, it's short and sweet and remembers me of Amado and Ramos a loooot.

[Anonymous No.16396144]

>>16395867
Juan Rulfo's short stories are ten times better than Borges'.

[Anonymous No.16396198]

>>16396144
If you say so I will take a look at them, to be better than Borges you need to be reaaaaally good. How wouls you describe his work, and why do you think it's 10x better than Borges? Have you read only translations?

[Anonymous No.16396231]

>>16396198
I've only read translations, my spanish isn't good enough to read books. Borges' stories are very much hit-or-miss for me, whereas Rulfo, who only wrote like 15 stories, really made the most out of them. He has an uncanny way of painting an entire universe complete with history, feelings and all with just a few simple sentences. The short story collection is called 'Plain in flames', if you're interested. And don't take this as a dismissal of Borges, I like many of his stories, but they vary greatly in quality in my opinion and they don't engage me in the same way Rulfo's do.

[Anonymous No.16396271]

>>16396231
Pretty interesting, I'll sure check them out. Yeah I feel the same when I compare Borges and Drummond, while Borges surely has some really high up stories his average is bellow Drummond's imho, but both are still exceptional writers.

[Anonymous No.16396289]

>>16396144
lol no

[Anonymous No.16396304]

>>16396144
Rulfo can't even polish Borges shoes.

[Anonymous No.16396316]

>>16396231
>I've only read translations
Lmaoooooooo

[Anonymous No.16396341]

Juan Rulfo is great. So is Hernando Castellanos Moya. I’m reading Machado De Assis right now and he’s incredible.

Btw not trying to say these are the best, just trying to mention some other authors that aren’t the same Borges and Marquez that will always be discussed

[Anonymous No.16396428]

>>16396304
>>16396289
>>16396316
>t. pretentious teenage twats

[Anonymous No.16396497]

>>16396316
Reading translations is valid as long as you recognize it isn't the full work, not everyone has time to learn another language sadly. Most people ITT are born in latam and can jump between Portuguese and Spanish with just a bit of dedication. This poster most likely doesn't have the same "luck".

>>16396341
I honestly dislike Assis, besides recognizing all of his historic and cultural contributions, and I know his prose is amazing as well. His works simply weren't fun to read to me if compared to most modernists and even Lobato. Anyone share this feeling with me? Also never read anything from Castellanos, could you recommend something?

[Anonymous No.16396661]

I loved Manuel Puig's 'Kiss of the spiderwoman' but I hated his other book 'Betrayed by Rita Hayworth'.

Jose Saramago's book 'Blindness' was also really well done, I was expecting it to be "airport lit" considering the story but it was actually beautifully written at times.

'The obscene bird of night' by Jose Donoso is one of the most psychotic, wild and crazy books I've ever read, the language is stunning, the "I" of the book is extremely fluid and it feels like each new chapter rewrites the chapter(s) before it, making it impossible to know what's "really" going on. Very dense though.

[Anonymous No.16396715]

>>16396661
Saramago is portuguese, we don't want t*gas here. Blindness is really clever tho, I hope you didn't read it translated because his prose is beautiful.
Will check out Donoso as well, I've honestly been stuck in Brazilian and Argentinean literature lately so it's good to have variety.

[Anonymous No.16396765]

What did you just said?

[Anonymous No.16396798]

>>16396765
Dele disseram Drummond: "É um poeta que não se pode medir a palmo e conseguiu o máximo de expressão usando recursos artísticos que nenhum outro empregou em nossa língua (...). Algumas pessoas pensam que sou o grande poeta do Brasil, mas o grande poeta do Brasil é o Gerardo Mello Mourão".
Ezra Pound: "Em toda minha obra, o que tentei foi escrever a epopeia da América. Creio que não consegui. Quem conseguiu foi o poeta de O país dos Mourões"

[Anonymous No.16396827]

>>16396798
I was going to post that, I feel he is rather forgotten here by the ones who always shill Pessoa, Drummond and Assis. You never see people talking about him as much as they talk about them, which I believe it's because of his political history. I want him to be my dad so badly bros.

[Anonymous No.16396845]

>>16395867
I laugh at you all, living a life without acknowledging Antonio di Benedetto, the best novelist not only of this continent, but of the entire Spanish language.

[Anonymous No.16396864]

>>16396661
>but I hated his other book 'Betrayed by Rita Hayworth'
why? A friend recommended it to me awhile ago, but I really know nothing about it.

[Anonymous No.16396866]

>>16396827
This guy is one of the greatest poets of all time and his novel(?) O Valete de Espadas is one of the greatest novels of the century, but since he died, he's basically forgotten.

[Anonymous No.16396896]

>>16396866
meh, de De Campo bros were better anyway

[Anonymous No.16396904]

>>16396661
>I hope you didn't read it translated because his prose is beautiful.
I did, though I'm hoping I'll one day become good enough at reading spanish (4th language) that I'll be able to read his and many other authors' books in their native language. With that said I think the translator must've done a great job seeing as how I think the book had, at times, really beautiful prose. Not at all what I had expected.

Mario Vargas Llosa is another lat-am writer whose books I really enjoy, and two stand out:

>The feast of the goat: about the dictator for 30 years Rafael Trujillo and his demise, told from three perspectives: a woman who confronts her father who used to be a higher up in Trujillos administration; the 10 people who plotted his assassination; the perspective of Trujillo himself. Fantastic book, the ending really made my blood boil.
>War of the end of the world: about the mysterious prophet Antonio "Conselheiro" who rounded up all sorts of loose people (illiterates, prostitutes and other degenerates) and formed Canudos, a sovereign libertarian paradise in Brazil in the 1800's and how that didn't sit well with the government. Many say 'Rebellion in the backlands' by journalist Euclides da Cunha who actually covered the War of Canudos is a better account, but I haven't managed to find that book so I can't say anything about that. But Llosa's book is good.

Anyway, that's it for me. Hope some anons can give some good recommendations by authors I might've overlooked.

[Anonymous No.16396919]

>>16396864
I only got halfway through but I just found it really uninteresting and I didn't care about the characters or what was happening. I really wanted to like it though because of how much I enjoyed 'Kiss of the spider woman'.

[Anonymous No.16396922]

>>16396904
meant to >>16396715

[Anonymous No.16396926]

>>16396866
Well that's what I'm talking about. In my school literature classes, while Assis and Drummond are still mentionated (and with good reason, don't get me wrong), Gerardo isn't, almost as if discarded as a footnote after his death in the wide public opinion. My mom is almost illiterate but she knows Assis and Drummond, but not him, besides being as important as both if not more.

[Anonymous No.16396935]

>>16396896

[Anonymous No.16396952]

>>16396926
greatest brazilian poet by far, and they (drummond, bandeira, etc) recognized it

[Anonymous No.16396963]

>>16396904
Thanks for the comment, yeah I will check it out.

Really enjoying this thread, glad to see latam literature being commented for once.

[Anonymous No.16396978]

>>16396144
I don't speak so I can't attest to the quality of the originals but the translations just aren't that good, they come of as polished high school fiction, can anyone explain the appeal of these short stories?

[Anonymous No.16396980]

>>16396963
Read Llosa's Conversation at the Cathedral, instead. Other anon is a faggotte.

[Anonymous No.16396984]

>>16396978
*speak spanish

[Anonymous No.16396987]

>>16396715
Any Argentinian recs? My wife is from there but she doesnt read

[Anonymous No.16396990]

>>16396987
Based Trad wife

[Anonymous No.16397051]

>>16396987
If she doesn't read go straight with Borges. Ficciones or either Fervor de Buenos Aires if you think she is into poetry. Fervor is what got me into latam literature overall, before I was only into europ*an stuff. Read both as well and see what switches her the best.

[Anonymous No.16397088]

>>16396845
Nice. Zama was great and the NYRB translation came out of nowhere

[Anonymous No.16397116]

>>16396987
For you or for your wife? Any more specific about genre?

[Anonymous No.16397283]

>>16397088
Coetzee also made a nice article about him, can't remember where tho.

[Anonymous No.16397429]

>>16396144
>Rulfo
You mean discount Faulkner?

[Anonymous No.16397516]

>>16397429
don't you have a looting to attend, mutt

[Anonymous No.16397556]

>>16396987
Roberto Arlt. Start with either los siete locos or his short stories

[Anonymous No.16397563]

>>16396987
Mujica Lainez, Sabato, Cortazar, Bioy Casares

[Anonymous No.16397593]

>>16395867
Is Borges very hard to read? I'm looking for something I can read during a tough university semester. I thought the short story format would be good but I don't want to exhaust myself with the book.

[Anonymous No.16397675]

Does anyone here has read Balún Canán from Rosario Castellanos?
I think the first half is amazing with one or two poetic chapters that really got me.

[Anonymous No.16397701]

>>16397556
>Arlt
This thread is really picking up. Getting some great names here

[Anonymous No.16397750]

>>16397593
Give it a try with a sole story, retard. Do you want us to teach you how to turn the pages.

[Anonymous No.16397769]

>>16397750
Yeah I already realized it was a dumb question after I clicked post lol. God bless anonymity

[Anonymous No.16397813]

>>16397593
It's not hard, that's one of the reasons why he's so famous. He's as difficult as you want him to be. You can't go wrong with Ficciones or El Aleph.
But if you want something more light I'd suggest Schweblin.

>>16397701
Currently rereading Los lanzallamas (I read it when I was young and didn't get that much out of it). Man, such a powerful writer.
Should I continue with Aguafuertes porteñas or El jorobadito?

[Anonymous No.16397822]

Anyone here likes Juan Jose Saer? For me, he's the best argentinian author post-Borges.

[Anonymous No.16397859]

>>16397813
Aguafuertes is cute, but el Jorobadito is good.

[Anonymous No.16397866]

>>16397822
I didn't know Kohan lurked here.

>>16397859
"cute"? What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.16397873]

>>16397822
Fucking based. I read that book in an airplane from Tokio to NYC. It was truly a beautiful experience. Am gonna read Cicatrices soon. have you read it?

[Anonymous No.16397893]

>>16397873
No, but I read many others: Nada Nadie Nunca, La Pesquisa, El Limonero Real, Glosa, La Ocasion, Las Nubes, La Grande.

[Anonymous No.16397903]

>>16397893
Which one's your favourite?
I've heard that El limonero real is one of his best, and that's the Argentine Ulysses. Do you agree?

[Anonymous No.16397919]

>>16397903
My favourite is Nada Nadie Nunca. It's similar to El limonero real, there's a repetition form in both books, but El limonero plays more with the language.

[Anonymous No.16397944]

>>16397903
I think the Argentine Ulysses would be Adán Buenosayres

[Anonymous No.16397972]

>>16397944
Will check it out, thx

[Anonymous No.16398000]

>>16397593
No, he's just extremely pretentious and was probably a cock-gobbler.

[Anonymous No.16398010]

>>16398000
can't argue with those trips

[Anonymous No.16398033]

>>16396009
Milton Hatoum is probably the best, along with Conceição Evaristo.

[Anonymous No.16398046]

>>16398033
What do yout think about Bernardo Carvalho, Michel Laub and Daniel Galera?

[Anonymous No.16398057]

>>16398000
>was probably a cock-gobbler
like faggot faggot?

[Anonymous No.16398075]

>>16397051
>Fervor de Buenos Aires
Why would you suggest a book Borges himself hated?

[Anonymous No.16398088]

What's the best Bolaño's book? In my opinion is Estrella Distante.

[Anonymous No.16398101]

>>16398088
None, Bolaño was a hack.

[Anonymous No.16398154]

>>16398088
I'd say it's the quintessential Bolaño in a condensed page count, so it's a great rec to get people into Bolaño, but TSD and 2666 are my favorites. I just like the acid humor in his prose and there's more of that in those 2, the scope is impossibly huge so...

[Anonymous No.16398401]

>>16396987
La invención de Morel (Bioy Casares)
Boquitas pintadas (Manuel Puig)

The best two Argentinian (short) novels in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.16398444]

>>16398401
Don't forget El túnel. A bit overrated, maybe, but great nonetheless

[Anonymous No.16398463]

>>16398401
>>16398444
how does it feel to have the exact same opinions on literature that a literal high schooler

[Anonymous No.16398496]

>>16398463
They are read in high school for a reason. They are simple yet great. You can come to them after years of your first reading and still have something to offer.
We were sugesting novels for someone who isn't into reading.

[Anonymous No.16398499]

>>16398463
How does it feel contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion?

[Anonymous No.16398584]

Where my Bioy Casares bros @?

[Anonymous No.16398611]

I think some of Ernesto Sabato's work is brilliant (parts of On heroes and graves, especially Report on the blind), but other things come off as juvenile and/or unpolished. I guess it's part of his schtick, since he presented himself as a tortured soul that wrote compulsively to vent his obsessions. He likely would have been flattered if you considered him a somewhat worse Dostoevsky, with a more pronounced surrealist vein.

Antonio di Benedetto's novel Zama sets a sort of dreamlike atmosphere with a minimalist writing style that I find appealing, but some of the charm may be lost in translation.

[Anonymous No.16398644]

>>16398584
I might be the only person on this board who's read Diario de la guerra del cerdo.
Aside from Morel's Invention, the best Bioy Casares I know is in collaboration with Borges (Bustos Domecq, Cuentos Extraordinarios).
Asleep in the Sun and Plan for Escape are on my backlog but I never find myself reading them.

[Anonymous No.16398663]

>>16398644
Diario de la guerra del cerdo was alright but I found myself bored at times. His short story collections La trama celeste, Historias desaforadas, Historias fantasticas and Historias de amor are all great tho. I still have Historia prodigiosa and El sueño de los heroes on my backlog. I should get to them one day.

[Anonymous No.16398678]

>>16398644
>16398644
>>16398663
i read dormir al sol as a kid, in a family vacation. very comfy reading, better enjoyed sitting under a tree while your dog sleeps on your lap

[Anonymous No.16398756]

Also, I've seen Onetti (The shipyard and The well, mostly) and Miguel Ángel Asturias (Mister President) recommended a lot, but I've never got around to reading them. Are they worth it?

[Anonymous No.16398772]

>>16398756
onetti yes asturias not

[Anonymous No.16398777]

am I correct in thinking latinos managed to mix marxism and catholicism? I regret picking french in middle school if true

[Anonymous No.16398796]

>>16398496
I don’t think he was asking for novels for someone who doesn’t read. I believe OP asked for argie recs to get to know his wife’s country better but couldn’t ask her because she doesn’t like to read.

[Anonymous No.16398807]

>>16398101
This. Only read part 1 and a bit more of The savage detectives but it was pure and utter garbage, took me a month to torture myself to that point before I gave up.

[Anonymous No.16398811]

>>16398777
Not really. Catholicism is by default anti marxist. There is Catholicism with an emphasis on their own vision of class struggle, though:

[Anonymous No.16398814]

>>16398463
The invention of morel is a great read fuck you asshole

[Anonymous No.16398840]

I thought 'The kingdom of this world' by Alejo Carpentier was a comfy read. Bought 'Lost steps' and will probably read it next, here's hoping it's as good.

[Anonymous No.16398855]

Hey guys, want to make an introductive chart to hispanic american fiction (fuck brazil). Which novels and short stories books should be included? No more than two books by author

My candidates are:

Novels
Roberto Arlt: Los siete locos/los lanzallamas
Juan Rulfo: Pedro Páramo
Adolfo Bioy Casares: La invención de Morel
Gabriel García Márquez: Cien años de soledad, Crónica de una muerte anunciada (?), El amor en los tiempos del cólera (?)
Julio Cortázar: Rayuela
Mario Vargas Llosa: La ciudad y los perros (?) Conversación en la Catedral, La guerra del fin del mundo (?)
Carlos Fuentes: La región más transparente (?), Aura (?), La muerte de Artemio Cruz, Terra Nostra (?)
Augusto Roa Bastos: Yo el supremo
José Donoso: El obsceno pájaro de la noche
Antonio di Benedetto: Zama
Roberto Bolaño: Los detectives salvajes y 2666

Short stories
J.L. Borges: Ficciones and El aleph
Juan Rulfo: El llano en llamas

[Anonymous No.16398872]

>>16398777
Based Godly digits

There was something like that at one point, with the whole Social Doctrine of the Church taken to an extreme, but all the military governments sort of wiped them out (got to 'thank' the CIA for this).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

During those military governments, at least in Argentina and Chile, the official position was to side with the coup, as the bloody hypocrites they were.
In Argentina, with the whole 'desaparecidos' thing, family members of the victims would gather in different churches and be infiltrated by military agents to root out potential commies. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Astiz

[Anonymous No.16398881]

>>16398855
This would be at least the 3rd hispanic lit chart and so far, it offers literally nothing new.
Why bother?

[Anonymous No.16398907]

>>16398855
Saer? Sabato? Chaparro Madiedo?

>>16398881
Were can I find them?

[Anonymous No.16398915]

>>16398881
The other charts were terrible

[Anonymous No.16398953]

>>16398907
>Saer
Which book? El limonero real?

>Sabato
I forgot to add El túnel and Sobre Héroes y tumbas

>Chaparro Madiedo
I didn't read any of his books. Which one should it be?

[Anonymous No.16398998]

>>16398907
Some random guy who should've lurked a ton more, ignorant of even the wiki or the hundreds of chart threads and SP lit generals comes and proposes to make a new chart.
Ask me where have I heard this tale before and how do I know it's a doomed effort.

>>16398915
They're supposed to be introductory and general recs. No fucking chart will ever be great by flaw of being made by committee of tourists who change all the time and who come and go as they please.
Criticizing something is extremely easy, as you risk nothing. Maybe make a chart yourself.

[Anonymous No.16399007]

>>16398998

[Anonymous No.16399011]

>>16398438
can anyone point out mistakes here and give a good translation

[Anonymous No.16399014]

>>16399007

[Anonymous No.16399050]

>>16398953
>Saer
Now that I think it better, maybe he's not that great for a beginner. Anyway, I've only read Responso, so I don't know. It's just that he's mentioned often.

>Chaparro Madiedo
Opio en las nubes is pretty popular among people who don't read that much, so I think it's fun for a large audience. I couldn't finish it, too boring, but that was just my personal experience.

>>16398998
>>16399007
>>16399014
Thanks. I have secluded myself in Argentinian Literature, so this is a great starting point to discover other authors outside of here.

>>16399011
Por la noche fui [what? hiba?] para acostarme en mi cuarto/habitación y encontré mierda de perro al lado de mi cama. Caminé hacia el baño y por algo de papel para recogerla y recordé con orina que mi perro había muerto. Fui golpeado en mi brazo y cabeza y se sintió tanto como mi perro que la pateé y (le hice algo) a las escaleras.
Él vio un poco de mierda de perro pero su perro estaba muerto y entonces él sintió su perro rozar su brazo y cabeza y entonces él corrió arriba por las escaleras atemorizado.

Was the dog a female or a male? You have some mess of a text right there. But I'm willing to help, it's fun.

[Anonymous No.16399053]

>>16399014
Not sure if this is the latest one.

[Anonymous No.16399057]

>>16395867
DALTON TREVISAN. I CAN'T STRESS IT ENOUGH, READ DALTON TREVISAN.

There's no writer like him. He's the best brazillian writer alive, his style of urban short story is unmatched, his Curitiba and Johns and Marys are unforgettable, his use of the portuguese language is simply MISTIC. It has only been translated once to english by fucking Gregory Rabassa in the 1970's that you can't really find on the internet, he has an entire oeuvre just waiting to be discovered by the world.

Anon, if you are seeing this and you know portuguese, go read him, I beg you! There's no writing that will bring such fascination as this! Go on, read his most famous book, O Vampiro de Curitiba (The Vampire of Curitiba), here (just remove the 6):

http://lib6gen.rs/fiction/A5258331FE1F38A5980CE579DC82A98F

[Anonymous No.16399070]

>>16399050
>You have some mess of a text right there
lmao no no look at the OP of that thread, I was attempting to translate it

[Anonymous No.16399072]

>>16398756

Onetti’s first novel, el pozo, is fantastic

[Anonymous No.16399076]

>>16398998
>>16399007
>>16399014
>>16399053
>>16399053
It's easy to see the issue --if there is one-- is not a lack of charts or their quality.

[Anonymous No.16399097]

>>16398463
Based
>>16398499
>>16398814
Seethe

[Anonymous No.16399132]

>>16399070
Oh, kek. I was translating a translation.
It would be something like this:

I'm gonna tell you a story my niggas.
Last night I was to go to lay down in my room and I found a dog shit next to my bed. I walked to the bathroom for paper to collect it and I slipped with urine my dog left. I hit myself in the arm and the head and I pissed off* so much with my dog that I hit her and she fell rolling through the satairs.

*This is wrong, but is the best I can do.

My English is shit, so don't take my word. "Hiba" is wrong, the correct form of the verb "ir" for that situation is "iba".

>>16399097
Not based. Mocking someone else taste is incel behavior.

[Anonymous No.16399146]

>>16399132
damn I was way off

[Anonymous No.16399161]

>>16398872
You have no idea about what you're talking about. You're spouting propaganda.

[Anonymous No.16399162]

>>16399146
You had the general idea, which is a lot. Also, the original was not that well written. Keep practicing, Spanish is a hell from someone whose mother tongue is not a romance language.

[Anonymous No.16399195]

>>16399161
Ah yes, the "No!" refutation. Very deep commentary. Thanks for your contribution.

[Anonymous No.16399232]

>>16396990
do you know that argentinian women are the most promiscous women out there right? more than your typical american

[Anonymous No.16399247]

>>16399232
t. tinderusing burgerette

[Anonymous No.16399259]

>>16399247
you don´t even have to use tinder to hook up with argie women, of course dumb amerimutt thinks that foreign girls are trad by default lmao

[Anonymous No.16399329]

>>16395867
the FUCKING state of this FUCKING board.
how dare you all to omit the greatest the funniest the smartest the most original the most impressive the most interesting the most variated the most most of them all Latin American writers? how dare you, /lit/, to commit a crime not against literature but against humanity itself? how dare you to ignore the master the monster the mister the jester the prankster the mourner the lawyer the writer the OWNER of Spanish literature don JUAN FILLOY?? how dare you???

[Anonymous No.16399372]

>>16399329
Where should I start with him?

[Anonymous No.16399393]

Benedetti's 100th anniversary was a couple days ago

[Anonymous No.16399424]

>>16399372
Op Oloop, my beautiful neophyte. Try to learn something about him as author first, it's a laugh riot.

[Anonymous No.16399473]

>>16399424
Thanks, will check. His surname sounds strangely familiar but I think I didn't know about him. It's incredible how many great writers we have in this shithole.

[Anonymous No.16399526]

>>16399329
qrd?

[Anonymous No.16399573]

>>16399473
You are in for a treat, man. Really. Every book of his seems to be written by a different author, and each of those authors could be considered masters of their own style. Enjoy!
>>16399526
What.

[Anonymous No.16399615]

>>16399573
qrd means quick rundown

[Anonymous No.16399672]

>>16399076
>La vida exagerada de Martín Romaña
It's gonna be a based from me

[Anonymous No.16399722]

>>16396978
anon is probably mexican. they suck rulfo's cock so hard until they lost any valid sense of criticism.
he's not a bad author, tho. pretty good actually, just absurdly overrated by mexicans. they unironically believe this guy is the best writer on latam kek

[Anonymous No.16399732]

>>16398101
>only read part 1 of the savage detectives
lmao but the whole point of the book is the second part.
this nigga was succesfully filtered

[Anonymous No.16399737]

>>16399732
this was in response to >>16398101

[Anonymous No.16399792]

>>16399732
this was in response to >>16398101

[Anonymous No.16399939]

>>16399615
Oh, lol. A judge that lived for over a hundred years spending his hours masturbating to palindromes and populating the Argentine literature with irreverent characters born out of marbled prose.

[Anonymous No.16400004]

>>16399732#
this was in response to >>16398101#

[Anonymous No.16400020]

>>16399732
this was in response to >>16398101

[Anonymous No.16400153]

>>16395867
Good books by lesser known authors from Ecuador?

[Anonymous No.16400255]

>>16395964
>lastly, any recs for current/contemporanean authors?
I know you are probably looking for portuguese-language authors but still, if you're looking for contemporary literature I recommend finding some good independent publishers and seeing what they publish. I'm mostly into contemporary mexican lit and I enjoy Bellatín, Rivera Garza and what I've read from Enrigue. Also heard very good things about Fernanda Melchor and Herbert, but haven't read them yet.
Do you have some recs on contemporary brazilian lit? I've meaning to branch out specially because I dislike how focused I've become on mexican lit.
>>16400153
I'm about to read Husipingo by Icaza which is not as well known as someone like Arguedas but not that obscure either. I've been meaning to read Montalvo, whose essays are apparently good, I know at least that Rubén Darío loved him

[Anonymous No.16400549]

>>16400153
>Implying there's any Ecuadorian author that isn't a lesser known author.

[Anonymous No.16400956]

>>16399195
You can claim the sky is upside down but nobody would take you seriously, no argument needed. Whatever silly argument you wrote is kirchnerist-fueled propaganda, nobody with half a brain would take it seriously. You would’ve been laughed at during the 90s and hopefully you would be laughed at during the 2030s, whenever this filthy montonero narrative dies out.

[Anonymous No.16401009]

>>16400956
I’m sorry for bringing politics into this - as I believe politic-related drivel (politic anything is drivel compared to literature discussion) should be nowhere near this board - but sometimes you have to speak up against bullshit. Especially when the people talking this shit are the same trying to ruin literature and arts in your country because of their bullshit bias. Fuck them all. Ah, ah, ah, don’t hate me for my stupidity but accept my recs as a token of my repentance: Arlt, Borges, and Hernandez.

[Anonymous No.16401137]

>>16398777
Not exactly, but in some cases they came to be very close. In El Salvador many priests worked together with marxists, were sympathethic towards them or were fighting for the same things. This does not mean that the Catholic church itself supported marxists though, as my priests were still very conservative and aligned with the government themselves.

[Anonymous No.16401367]

>>16398855
Why not type these titles out in english so that everyone here can understand? Fucking dumbass taco bender piece of shit

[Anonymous No.16401374]

>>16395867
Although Borges is definitely the most cultured, I still prefer Cortazar. Also Guimarães Rosa shits on Drummond any day. Even Machado de Assis does.
All of them are great though.

[Anonymous No.16401422]

>>16399722
I'm from northern europe you stupid taco bending sack of crap.

[Anonymous No.16401435]

What do people generally think of Clarice Lispector in this thread? I used to dislike her texts but with time they started growing on me a little.
Also these are kind of B-tier authors in Brazil but might be good for some: Murilo Rubião, Fernando Sabino, Moacyr Scliar

[Anonymous No.16401439]

>>16399722
butthurt arjentino someone doesn't suck borjes' dick lmao

[Anonymous No.16401484]

>>16400956
What the fuck are you talking about? All you've done is say "No!" a second time, you fucking retard. I recommend reading the words instead of chasing ghosts or assuming shit that's never been said.
>Whatever silly argument you wrote is kirchnerist-fueled propaganda
Just imagine being this dumb and brainwashed you think everything that doesn't sit right with you has something to do with Kirchner. Go fuck yourself, you ignorant and reactionary piece of shit.

Social Doctrine of the Church is a thing. It's still practiced to this day, it started with Rerum Novarum, btw. Do you know where I learned about this? In a fucking Catholic school.
The fact some priests took it further (Liberation theory) is just the result of injecting communism into it. Why do you think so many priests were murdered during the 70s? Why do you think they call Pope Francis the Communist Pope?
Plan Condor or Operation Condor was a real thing as well, whether you like it or not. The fact the military governments received operational and field training from the US government, all in an effort to fight Communism, is well documented. Why the fuck would the US had acted any differently there and then when they've always done the same stuff? Hello? Bin Laden rings any bell? Is this propaganda? lmao.

The fact that the Catholic Church did very little during that time to openly denounce the abuses against human rights is also pretty well known. Yeah, sure, some dioceses and individual efforts were carried out, but this was clearly not enough. This is the only "argument" I'm posing. The other stuff is fact.
Do you think I'm making up the fact Astiz infiltrated a church's civil organization? Why do you think Bolaño wrote Nocturno de Chile? Why do you think the nazi dude in Estrella Distante seems to be blessed by the Church?
Why do you think the Argentine Church took almost 2 decades before they even uttered an apology for not doing enough during the 76-83 coup (their own words)? It's always been the same with the church. Década Infame, Revolución Libertadora. For an organization that's supposed to be neutral, they sure like playing their cards.

[Anonymous No.16402365]

>>16401484
>The fact that the Catholic Church did very little during that time to openly denounce the abuses against human rights is also pretty well known. Yeah, sure, some dioceses and individual efforts were carried out, but this was clearly not enough.
> Why do you think the Argentine Church took almost 2 decades before they even uttered an apology for not doing enough during the 76-83 coup
Oh, so you have absolute no fucking proof about the church not doing enough other than an an apology that happened during peak kirchnerism? You absolute, reddit-spacing retard

[Anonymous No.16402382]

>>16401484
And thank you for the surface level knowledge about things nobody asked for

[Anonymous No.16403367]

>>16401435
None of those are B-tier tho, just not read thaaaaat much by the average person, but Sabino is well known, at least where I live.

Lispector is cool but overrated a bit, she has a lot of influence in the story of literature overall so I think that's why. She is still a really great author and I absolutely recommend her, but that's like recommending Machado de Assis.

[Anonymous No.16404177]

>>16402382
Again, a third "No!". Cool. You were expressing your baseless opinions, I see. Back to Facebook posting and the Infobae forums with you, shithead.
Also, rest assured I've been here for far longer than you, you silly newfag

[Anonymous No.16404308]

>>16402365
And btw
>El entonces cardenal Jorge Mario Bergoglio llegó a pedir perdón en nombre de la Iglesia en el año 2000
And:
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/cultura/historico-pedido-de-perdon-de-la-iglesia-argentina-nid32127/
https://elpais.com/diario/2000/09/10/internacional/968536811_850215.html

Someone asked about those things and you questioned what I said posted originally. I'm not even K and you keep repeating this as something worth discussing. Seems like education really has gone down for your class/generation.