/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16371504]

Just finished reading Storm of Steel, how do I become more like him?

[Anonymous No.16371531]

>>16371504
Join the military (obviously).

[Anonymous No.16371541]

>>16371531
Don't think today's military is like the one that Junger served in.

>>16371504
Wish I knew. A fellow like that only emerges when extraordinary circumstances converge with an extraordinary personage. Man like that is one in a billion.

[Anonymous No.16371543]

This is next on my reading list (recommended in Revolt Against the Modern World). I suppose working through the Evola chart is a good start?

In terms of useful self-help stuff:
Prometheus Rising (you have to do the exercises) (also the magick helps you make sense of Evola)
Marcus Aurelius' Meditations (try and relate his insights to your own life)

[Anonymous No.16371548]

>>16371504
Get off the computer and take LSD, don't join the military nowadays they will only make a slave out of you

[Anonymous No.16371579]

>>16371531
>>16371504
lol the days of the cool armies are gone. now all that's left is dying for the jews. he is a man of a time long past.

[Anonymous No.16371589]

>>16371504
I've always been in awe of how long this man managed to live after getting shot full of holes.

[Anonymous No.16371591]

[Anonymous No.16371601]

>>16371504
Isaac Hanson?

[Anonymous No.16371607]

>>16371591
what did he mean by hating him as an aristocrat?

[Anonymous No.16372582]

>>16371591
Sartre was swimming in pussy

>>16371607
French and Germans have always had a bit of a rivalry. Jungers hatred of Sartre goes even deeper, resenting him as an aristocratic hates his inferiors. Only problem is that Sartre was an aristocrat.

[Anonymous No.16373298]

>>16371607
>>16372582

Junger spent his early 20s murking Brits, French, and everything in between with hand grenades and rifles and didn’t die despite receiving more than a dozen wounds in the war. He hated dying so much that he lived to be 103 and had a prolific writing career after the war.

Meanwhile, Satre wrote incomprehensible and worthless continental philosophy while conspiring with his creepy feminist girlfriend to groom and sexually molest young women. His hatred for Junger is nothing more than a slave’s hatred against his betters.

[Anonymous No.16373429]

>>16371591
mogged

[Anonymous No.16373462]

>>16371504
storm of swords was good, but feast for crows has all the cool stuff about Euron (hes crazy) greyjoy. Youre in for a real treat

[Anonymous No.16374645]

>>16373462
kek

[Anonymous No.16374700]

>>16371607
Classic ressentiment

[Anonymous No.16374784]

>>16371504
Does it translate well? I tried reading it in German and found it hard

[Anonymous No.16374846]

>>16373298
Based

[Anonymous No.16374940]

>>16371504
Just bee yourself, become anarg

[Anonymous No.16375065]

>>16372582
The quote is Sartre.

[Anonymous No.16375070]

>>16373298
>hated dying
Imagine being this wrong.

[Anonymous No.16375081]

>>16374784
The Penguin translation is excellent.

[Anonymous No.16375644]

>>16375081
No it's not, there are parts of the original manuscript missing, parts where Ernst reflects on nationalism etc..
The original 1929 translation is much better.
https://www.amazon.com/Storm-Steel-Original-1929-Translation/dp/1696237726

[Anonymous No.16375655]

>>16375644
Why's it shorter than the Penguin edition? Print size, I imagine?

[Anonymous No.16375676]

>>16375655
It's also longer in size, it has some typos like the reviews say but it still keeps up. Not that anon so idk which is better, I just read it because this board suggested that version.

[Anonymous No.16375681]

>>16375655
Yes tiny print, there's actually more material in the 1929 version than the Penguin edition.

[Anonymous No.16375685]

Blessing the thread. Also has anyone read aladdin's problem, it seems most interesting

[Anonymous No.16375692]

>>16375676
>>16375681
Alright, lads. Will get it in a few days.

[Anonymous No.16375743]

>>16375685
>The Forest not listed anywhere
SHIT

[Anonymous No.16375923]

>>16375743
It's literally right there, and not even his best work faggot

[Anonymous No.16375936]

>>16375070
I was being humorous, but if the man himself was unconcerned with death (as his behavior indicates) his body at least seemed to disdain the idea of dying.

[Anonymous No.16375946]

>>16375743
Wish I could find a copy of it that isn’t $25.

[Anonymous No.16375949]

Related thread 16375768

[Anonymous No.16375961]

Related thread >>>16375768

[Anonymous No.16376147]

>>16375644
Irrelevant to the question of translation. And there's nothing missing because Junger edited it himself.
>>16375692
>>16375676
The Penguin is the superior translation, they aren't even close. It's just twitterfags who spam the other version for political reasons.

[Anonymous No.16376165]

>>16375923
What's his best?

[Anonymous No.16376211]

>>16376165
Eumeswil, but I haven't read all of him yet

[Anonymous No.16376230]

>>16376211
Do you read German?

[Anonymous No.16376303]

>>16371579
The military today is just spics and chicks.

[Anonymous No.16376481]

>>16376230
No, there are english translations

[Anonymous No.16376491]

>>16376481
Yeah but I'm wondering if you've read those only available in German to see how they compare.

[Anonymous No.16376501]

Marble cliffs reprint never ever. Time to learn german lads?

[Anonymous No.16376515]

>>16376303
cope whitecuck. Jews are your masters.

[Anonymous No.16376527]

>>16376147
so which is the best version?

[Anonymous No.16376532]

>>16371504
Leave this board

[Anonymous No.16376535]

>>16376515
Your graphic doesn’t refute what I said because it conflates spics with actual white people and doesn’t show gender. At least check what you’re posting before you try to argue with someone, retard.

[Anonymous No.16376549]

>>16376535
lol keep coping.

[Anonymous No.16376557]

>>16376501
>tfw you're Polish and a group of intellectuals connected to your conservative government published Marble Cliffs, Glass Bees as well as Junger's political writings from before WW2
feels good to live in an uncucked country

[Anonymous No.16376575]

>>16376501
Stay mad poorfag, I'll post pages read if you give me feet pics
>>16376532
/lit/ is very much a Junger friendly board retard

[Anonymous No.16376583]

>>16376575
Jünger wouldn't spend any time here, that much is certain.

[Anonymous No.16376584]

>>16376527
The Penguin version is a better translation and is based on what Junger himself edited.
The other version is quite a poor translation and has some of the excess that Junger later edited out. It also has numerous errors. Those who like it are interested in the parts that were edited out and contain nationalist sentiments.

[Anonymous No.16376585]

>>16371504
the brutal cope is that you'll never be like him
your only options are bowing down to zog, going postal, or living in a one room cabin without water or electricity

[Anonymous No.16376587]

>>16376515
When I was in the army it was 90% blacks and mexicans. The few whites there were all stupid ass rednecks too.

[Anonymous No.16376597]

>>16376583
true, he'd be disgusted by the low brow humor and vulgarity

[Anonymous No.16376608]

>>16376583
True
>>16376597
Nah dude, Junger liked to party but was reserved

[Anonymous No.16376613]

>>16376587
I almost attended Marine Corps OCS but decided to do graduate school instead. I wanted to serve because a lot of people in my family have, but I was getting weird vibes from it as though the same forces that are ruining everything else are also ruining the military; this whole ethos of shoving women and minorities and trannies in everywhere where they don’t belong.

[Anonymous No.16376629]

>>16376613
To be fair, mexicans and blacks join the US military because its either that or do crime. I don't really have anything against the majority in there who are just trying to get away from their shitty families/communities and out of the ghetto.

[Anonymous No.16376631]

>>16376613
>burgers don't belong in the burger army
all I here is cope.

[Anonymous No.16376638]

>>16376631
hear* ffs

[Anonymous No.16376645]

>>16376629
Also because it is one of the best ways to ascend poverty and climb the social ladder with all the connections they'll make. Free housing, food and uni.

[Anonymous No.16376676]

>>16376631
>Hispanic

This can be disregarded, outright.

[Anonymous No.16376686]

>>16376676
Most of the US military is non-Hispanic white. These are the faggots dying for the Jews.

[Anonymous No.16376694]

>>16375644
Shut the fuck up. I've read both too, the first translation is inferior to the later penguin edition.

If you're referring to the edgy bits that Junger omitted in later editions himself, that's on him. The later version feels more Homeric to me as well, personally.

[Anonymous No.16376712]

>>16376694
>>16376584
The Penguin is definitely better, and most people won't have the frame of reference to put Junger's 20s writings in context. All the twitter nationalists are doing is proving Junger's decision to 'self-censor' correct. They get nothing out of the extended fragments because the ideas of nationalism have nothing in common, it's like they're from completely separate eras.

[Anonymous No.16377059]

Bump

[Anonymous No.16377098]

>>16376638
It’s okay, you’re retarded.

[Anonymous No.16377143]

>>16376583
The cultures of his time and ours aren't comparable. Just having self-respect in 2020 is a subversive act, requiring anonymity, and so risky that it's mostly the young and the callow that dare to do it in public.

We live in a state of humiliation, and we have to make a joke out of our desire for dignity and cultural standards. Junger was never under anyone's foot the way we are.

[Anonymous No.16377467]

>>16377143
The thing is, if he wouldn't hang out here, where would he hang out? Even the upper echelons of academia are now full of things he would detest.

[Anonymous No.16377532]

>>16377098
and you're a jew slave :D

[Anonymous No.16377549]

>>16377532
I'm not in the military.

>>16377143
We're living in the future that Nietzsche predicted.

[Anonymous No.16377556]

>>16377549
>We're living in the future that Nietzsche predicted.
How?

[Anonymous No.16377562]

>>16377467
Nowhere, he would've probably settled somewhere far away from noise contenting himself as a collector or naturalist. He really liked nature, maybe he would've gotten a cabin like heidegger.

[Anonymous No.16377647]

>>16377467
At least for me, I'm only here because I have no-one to talk to in real life that has any interest in literature. Conversation here is very frank, but still fleeting and often shallow (shallow but frank is 4chan in a nutshell.)

It would depend on the kind of social connections a '90s-born Junger would have made. I think he had some family money that allowed him to stay somewhat aloof from communal environments where you have to have the consensus opinion or risk ostracism. Maybe he'd be trading long emails with people he'd met, or replying to articles with articles in a kind of slow-paced dialogue.

[Anonymous No.16377658]

>>16377556
Slave morality already existed in Nietzsche's day, which is why he identified it, but it's progressed to an insane degree since then. To have the status of a victim is now to have to the ultimate moral high ground and status.

This also dovetails with Nietzsche's concept of the death of god. In the absence of religion, secularists have latched onto victimhood ideology as a source of perceived virtue. The same women who two hundred years ago would have signaled their moral worth with appeals to Christian values now use slave morality and its values to do so. Complaints about racism, sexism, the social acceptance of transsexuals, and xenophobia all have their roots in the defense of people who are perceived as victims (regardless of whether these groups have been oppressed for legitimate reasons).

Nietzsche's concept of the death of god isn't really the shallow assertion that Christians get offended at. It's an observation that—even if you aren't a Christian—the move away from the belief in god and religious values represents one of the most momentous events in human history. He predicted that as this starts to occur, people will look around in desperation for something to fill this void, and that this will result in the sort of widespread social anomie that we are currently witnessing.

[Anonymous No.16378883]

>>16377658
Based

[Anonymous No.16378954]

>>16377658
We're long beyond that, Junger correctly diagnosed the last man had already come and gone in 1934. We're a hundred years into the age of vulcanism he describes

[Anonymous No.16379098]

>>16378954
Where does he describe that? Genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.16379105]

Reminder that if you're planning to read this book, do not buy the revised P*nguin version, get the original unedited version:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1696237726/

[Anonymous No.16379109]

>>16379098
On Pain, is somewhat outdated. Describes shift of Neptunian to Vulcanic spirit in wake of total mobilisation and mechanisation. Multiple allusions to Nietzsche. He wrote of "titanism" in other works that I can't remember

[Anonymous No.16379119]

>>16379105
If you're not going to read the thread, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16379165]

>>16379119
unnecessarily hostile

[Anonymous No.16379351]

What to read regarding his conversion to Catholicism?

[Anonymous No.16379368]

>>16379351
some info.

[Anonymous No.16379743]

>>16379351
>>16379368
This actually comes up in his documentary, which I thought was interesting but couldn't find much on. It's ironic because I was just talking about Bernanos in another thread. It doesn't surprise me though, I think it suits him.

[Anonymous No.16380000]

>>16379743
I assume this documentary? I saw that Bernanos thread.

[Anonymous No.16380062]

>>16380000
Witnessed, also yes that documentary is awesome.

[Anonymous No.16380526]

>>16379109
>On Pain, is somewhat outdated.
Why do you think it's outdated?
It's certainly an interesting idea of nihilism, and a more useful interpretation of Nietzsche. From within it one can sense the nihilism of much of the current right-wing, of its nietzschean elements as forged characters of the world process. Their inability to understand our current situation, or simply their disappearance from it, suggests that they are heralds of the continuation of the catastrophe, or at least an enduring sign that nothing can be resolved from within levels of the mundane.

It's ironic that Junger resolves much of the Nietzschean question through Stoicism and Christianity. But of course the Christian response to eternal return has always been there, the apocalyptic vision is the great test of the Christian and it is a wonderful testament that the Catholic conservatives fell to pessimism just as Nietzsche fell to a Protestant irony. The Katechon doctrine is equally the destruction of Europe and the fateful beginning of the problem of technology; the Protestant ethic is the proper relation of joy before the catastrophe, a reinvigorated apocalyptic vision in keeping with the spirit of the era. Salvation from within the forest, transfiguration of the religion of religions.

From this perspective, the vulcanist interpretation may have been a misstep. This was the Roman conception, and while it was a part of the German industrial vision - the martial form, the last hold of the spirit of bronze - this may only occur as another mythology. To historicise it is for it to be nothing more than a reaction of the greater humanist myth. To unearth the martial world is only to encase it within the process of instrumentation; the white stone set against the sewage character of surfaced bronze indicates the fateful advantage humanism had over its subject states. The form of the grossraum and its mirrors, the greater earth forces within white marble are undeniable. And rather than titanism this relation to the earth may be understood in the sense of a false sacrifice, no longer set against Zeus but the Titans. Gypsum is everywhere today, a substratum of the technological defense network.

Uranianism is perhaps the closest Junger came to finalising the question of technology, in it the question is one with nihilism and the spirit of the era. Any distinction between vulcanism and neptunism disappears, even questions of Asclepius are contained therein. "The end of the world in great order and beauty." To tie mythology to the question of being is the greatest heresy, the greatest form of nihilism. And in this understanding of the form of technology I think Junger also returns the question to that asked by Schmitt. It is itself a force of the formless, the very territory of the neutralisation process, a crystallisation of Nothing. This is the great question of our era, why does the Nothing achieve its form?

[Anonymous No.16380931]

>>16380526
I mean that it's very specific to interwar Germany, though his predictions were fairly on point. Man now (outside of the worker) isn't mechanised the way he envisions as part of a japanese torpedo or war machine, but contained in domesticity the way he describes the first generations of bourgeoisie because of the autonomy of The most startling phrase was /technology is our uniform/, which evokes the plutonian hives he mentions in Eumeswil to me, the civilisation at peak domination by technology before collapse. Technology has advanced monstrously since his death and it's growing worse, I wonder what he would write if he could see it now.

[Anonymous No.16380935]

>>16380931
autonomy of technology*

[Anonymous No.16380956]

>>16377658
Correct, Nietzsche was right about almost everything but failed to have an answer to the death of god because he himself was an atheist. Everything that replaced God has either been defeated (communism) or devolved into a mass of slave moralism where people bask in their soullessness (liberalism). We are the Last Men of history, and Junger knew that he was fighting the war to end all wars.

[Anonymous No.16381021]

>>16373298
>He hated dying
That's pretty weak for someone so strong.

[Anonymous No.16381038]

>The first duty is to sacrifice to the gods and pray them to grant you the thoughts, words and deeds likely to render your command most pleasing to the gods and to bring yourself, your friends and your city the fullest measure of affection and glory and advantage.
Xenophon

>During the First World War I was still a complete atheist. I remember that one day I found myself in front of a trench that was sustaining brisk fire. I had to get across it, and I mused that a prayer would be appropriate. But I told myself: "No, if I didn't care about the Good Lord when everything was going well, it would be awful to ask for his help now!"
Junger

Junger's strength in the war was entirely due to the laws passed down through myth, he would not have survived without such knowledge, he would have been crushed without being able to perceive the 'greater plot'. Odyne, the great goddess of pain. With his brother in Langemarck he experienced something quite the opposite of Diomedes parting of the great ocean, the absolute terror of war if Aphrodite and Ares had been killed - a type of war which can no longer call the Hesiodic heroes, the retired old soldiers, away from their farms.
Either that or he was simply fated to be born into Xenophon's conclusion:

>If anyone is surprised at my frequent repetition of the exhortation to work with God, I can assure him that his surprise will diminish, if he is often in peril, and if he considers that in time of war foemen plot and counterplot, but seldom know what will come of their plots. Therefore there is none other that can give counsel in such a case but the gods. They know all things, and warn whomsoever they will in sacrifices, in omens, in voices, and in dreams. And we may suppose that they are more ready to counsel those who not only ask what they ought to do in the hour of need, but also serve the gods in the days of their prosperity with all their might.

[Anonymous No.16381050]

>>16371504
Read books. Shoot people. Do drugs. Write books.

[Anonymous No.16381064]

>>16376587
>When I was in the army it was 90% blacks and mexicans. The few whites there were all stupid ass rednecks too.
Lol, you were a fucking POG. I went infantry and I never had a company more that 15% non-white.

[Anonymous No.16381081]

>>16381050
cringe

[Anonymous No.16381124]

>>16371504
Read On Pain, and follow the instructions.

[Anonymous No.16381271]

>>16380931
His philosophy of technology is essentially that it does not advance, it disappears. It essentially cannot advance because it is a destructive process, it is formless, without a mark of time. In this sense something like the torpedo should be understood as a means of explaining the form of modern technology, and in the same way war machines do not disappear they become incorporated as law or nomos. Hence the deepening sense of war even as we progress through an order which characterises itself as the legislation of world peace. Even the simplest machines now are communications devices, necessities within the finalisation of neutral territory.
This is similar to Malevich's aesthetics, the explosive powder refined from innumerable elements of the soil and further explosive processes, simply sitting on the shelf of a chemist shop. For Junger the image is that of the upside-down pyramid, technology is perfected in that place closest to the ground. Or like the knife, where even the finest crystals can be worn away like a wire edge.
This is essentially what "technology is our uniform" means. It is quite opposite to Heidegger's thinking, we shed our skin like a snake and are blinded in the process. Paradoxically, at the moment of technological perfection it ceases to be a question, not because we are enframed by such thinking but precisely because it was only ever a means of completion of the figure of man. The abandonment of the question of technology only suggests the completion of this man.
The return of the luddite sentiment at a higher level only suggests the approach of this end, of technical and anti-technical rationality that has taken on the appearance of a dying morality.
Junger's philosophy of technology is not read because it demands questions of higher values, of that which enframes the very sense of the modern form of being. Heidegger, Ellul, Ted, the primitivist marcists, etc can be successfully read from within these limits because they tend to re-enframe the very question of technology within other technical limits. They are completely other ways of seeing.
In another sense, apart from AI being a written law in the very form of modern technology, the machines must become autonomous where greater questions begin to present themselves, where greater work forces are needed. As catastrophe begins to present itself the mundane territory of technology and work may be set aside, may even have to be set aside, and technical questions take on greater force. This is what we are currently seeing with the pandemic and the environment, a severe difficulty in shedding the skin of lesser technicians, and a moralistic holding on to the old technical measures which appear disastrous with each further step. Bourgeois security ceases to be a question once the new man presents himself.

[Anonymous No.16381281]

>>16381271
>primitivist marxists*
I thought I spaced that out a bit. Sorry it's a mess.

[Anonymous No.16381351]

>>16381271
>>16380931
>>16381038
Or
>I confess that, in the first battle of Flanders (1917), I was shocked, not so much by the spectacle of death and destruction, as by the man-made transformations of whole landscapes. Without a doubt, the fields of earlier battles, at Cannae, for instance, were littered with more impressive heaps of dead men and horses within a smaller space. In Flanders, the battlefield was very wide; in it the armies were dispersed and were entrenched to an extent that made the field seem empty. The artillery barrages which had hailed down for weeks had turned this theater of war into a sort of moonscape covered with craters. Its volcanic character was unmistakable. It would have been hard to find a single object that had not been most violently mangled. Fantastically twisted and disemboweled machinery was scattered about in fragments – airplanes, motor vehicles, wagons, field kitchens – their skeletons in grotesque piles. This deformation of technical apparatus – and of the human bodies involved in it – was the reverse side of a level of technological development in which a vast amount of elemental energy had been fettered by mechanical apparatus. There are many to whom such destruction seems senseless and inexplicable because they do not understand the relation which this represents. They fail to see the connection between destruction and technology, although they could see the same kind of disorder in any industrial accident. They do not grasp the fact that, together with technological progress, the violent and destructive forces of disorder also progress apace.

Our era is characterised by a forming of the elements into a gordian knot, an impossible perfection of that which cannot be undone but also which severs itself, resolves its own impossibility through a decisive cut. In the atom bomb we see a resolution of the destructive order of mechanised warfare and a return to a Clausewitz total defense. Yet the destructive processes of war continue, or are even worsened by the doctrine of peace. Even in the most isolated forests one can often hear the racket of war, or at least feel its subterranean echoes. The destruction witnessed in Flanders is a simple product of a small crew today, or even a single man. Clearing roads or even the supposedly healthy practises of silviculture leave horrifically mangled sections of the forest, as if monsters were on the hunt for dwindling sources of blood.
Otherwise, no one can be certain where the severed sections of the gordian knot will end up. And paradoxically we see that only technology can destroy technology. The question remains of the elements within technology and how they may be put to use, this simply occurs at another level to that posed by the technicians or the luddites.

[Anonymous No.16381638]

>>16371591
i sincerely believe all adherents of physiognomy never reached emotional maturity past saturday morning cartoons and should get their ass beat by a pretty person.

[Anonymous No.16382690]

>>16380956
His answer is the ubermensch, but of course exactly what that is isn’t described in great detail other than that the uber man has amor fati (and so says “yes” to life even in the face of the utmost hardships), has an inner drive to become stronger, and knows that life is best lived when one is becoming stronger while understanding that one should be willing to destroy himself while striving after what he loves.

[Anonymous No.16382785]

>>16371504
The warrior spirit in the modern army is long gone. Don't even think of joining now in hopes of emulating his philosophy.

The modern army creates robots who operate like machines and don't think or feel anything as they gun down hordes of enemies. Soldiers are nothing more like wind up toys who are desensitized in their act.

You might have an argument that perhaps joining the airforce might help you emulate the spirit of the warrior, as the jet can be an extension of yourself which allows you to realize yourself, just like The Red Baron back in WWI. This is also gone with drones and jet fighters which are far too automated. You are doing nothing more than pressing buttons.

Your best hope is to find a modern battlefield, examples of which can even be an online business where you defeat others and overcome, by making a lot of money or having a large influence. It's basically about trying to find a space where you can have the most control over your actions and consequences. Read The Bhagavad Gita, it basically says that your entire life is a battle which you must overcome. It'll give you perspective some perspective.

[Anonymous No.16382868]

>>16382785
>Soldiers are nothing more like wind up toys who are desensitized in their act.
>You might have an argument that perhaps joining the airforce might help you emulate the spirit of the warrior
>Your best hope is to find a modern battlefield is...by making a lot of money
>Read The Bhagavad Gita, it basically says that your entire life is a battle
Junger would've shot you in the head without hesitation.

[Anonymous No.16382995]

>>16371504
Become Catholic, like he eventually did

[Anonymous No.16383007]

>>16381638
I've been meaning to post something about this.

>One of the subjects that appear in the interspace is characterology, a field of indefinite scope that can be defined narrowly and broadly. The essence and expression of man: that is a world.

>The contemplation of the characters leads us into the proximity of astrology. Character interpretation or, better, character formation are the main tasks of the horoscope. In our days, characterology is considered a science, although it only becomes fertile through elements that are beyond knowledge and bring it closer to the arts. Character interpretation presupposes a kind of musicality. There must be a fluidity between the critic and the person being judged, including congeniality. This limits the scope of applied psychology, which can be regarded as one of the sub-disciplines of characterology. The assessment reflects the assessor. The character of the boss can be read from the appraisal of his subordinates.

With the question of characterology, rather than physiognomy, we get to the heart of perception, the extent of what one sees when he begins to judge another man. This is the conflict of spirit and the instincts, of strength over the will and the great battle of fate. Whether one sees only the base instincts or the entire figure of man is also how the judge of character sees himself being judge, equal to his subject as they both stand before greater laws. Military decisions make such a distinction clear.

With Nietzsche we already see a weakening, a will which cannot see its own Christian character, as the base instincts take over. This was the very conflict with fate that Machiavelli spoke of, the relation to the Chiron figure which must be aware of the dangers. Nietzsche's Dionysus is really a dead Chiron, one without salvation, trampled by the centaurs. This is where we see him as blind before character, his inability to see any of the true qualities of Socrates, the Stoics, Wagner, the Greek Tyrants.

With nihilist conservatism we see an ever further weakening, even an embrace of all the character elements of the enemy. This is, of course, necessary for modern law to function, each man is paired, conjoined to his other, a centaur figure. It matters very little which part is left- or right-wing, these are even questions of digression as from such a perspective one may only see half of the character of the other, what is necessary to himself and the process of conjoined movement which must reconcile perfectly in its violence.

Nietzsche's method, and the whole of the modern conception with it, is entirely opposed to Xenophon's idea of the Great King as Chiron - the ignoble returned to primordial power. Machiavelli leaves us with a portal at least, while Nietzsche condemns the myth to biological pantheism. Thieving a noble symbol of the master and slave he descends into the bestial but destroys it, leaving nothing but a torso tearing at the ground, crawling away from its lesser half.

[Anonymous No.16383026]

>>16371548
t. 16 year old

[Anonymous No.16383034]

>>16382868
Cringe, back to pol.

[Anonymous No.16383094]

>>16377658
Screencapped

[Anonymous No.16383198]

>>16383034
Cope harder pseud
>>16382995
This

[Anonymous No.16383304]

>>16371504
LARP on /k/

[Anonymous No.16383724]

>>16383304
>forefather of magical realism
>esteemed literary figure
>only discussed weapons when he wrote from his unique perspective, and did so in beautiful prose
>wrote a few books on war, but also has a good collection of allegories, essays, and speculative fiction that btfos figures like huxley and orwell
>spent a lot of time being a collector and naturalist
Come again?

[Anonymous No.16383804]

>>16383724
What is the relationship between Magical Realism and Jünger? Also is The Morning of the Magicians worth reading?

[Anonymous No.16383835]

>>16383007
>The contemplation of the characters leads us into the proximity of astrology.
>horoscopes
lol

[Anonymous No.16383850]

>>16383198
>>16382995
Cringe

[Anonymous No.16383853]

>>16383835
not him but astrology was a legit science at one point in time, the modern "horoscopes" that we have today is just a cringe degenerated remnant of an ancient lost science. just saying

[Anonymous No.16383901]

>>16383804
Books like aladdins problem and his more speculative works don't read as direct science fiction but more prosaic and "magical". He is often considered one of the early magical realists, which is probably why he and borges liked eachother. Also stay away from spiritualism, read it in order to understand it not to indulge in it. Occult, spiritualist, and theosophical bullshit are a great way to fuck up your spiritual health.
>>16383850
So what, you don't think there was a legitimate reason for his conversion and that he did it out of the blue?

[Anonymous No.16384507]

>>16376557
Where, anonie? I've seen Glass Bees around, but not the other two. Please, give me the directions.

[Anonymous No.16384566]

>>16383007
>>16380526
Are you based Anarchposter?

[Anonymous No.16384868]

I was deeply moved by Storm of Steel and the copse book. The only way I can think of becoming "more like him" which was my concern too is trying to overcome all your weaknesses methodically or even anything that you might imagine would be a weakness in any situation. Militarily, I feel as if you would be wasting your life essentially fighting for the jews so you have to do what you can in your current circumstances. Examples include various feats of discipline, asceticism, no fap etc.

[Anonymous No.16384920]

>>16384507
Proszę anon :3
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[Anonymous No.16384937]

>>16382690
there can be no ubermensch in a world where there are no men

[Anonymous No.16385212]

>>16383007
Based.

[Anonymous No.16386317]

>>16371531
or not.

[Anonymous No.16386323]

>>16371504
enlist in infantry and try to get in special ops door kicker units

[Anonymous No.16386420]

>>16386323
don't know if Junger had the PT stats for that desu, he was a fighting officer though

[Anonymous No.16387281]

>>16374700
This. From the International Bureau of Weights and Measures.

[Anonymous No.16387541]

>>16371548
>>16383026

Ernst Jünger personally said that he prefers LSD to computers, and this was in his old age.

[Anonymous No.16387545]

>>16373462
This is incredible bait.

[Anonymous No.16387599]

>>16376694
>>16376712
You guys are retarded the penguin translations are boring, why would anyone want to read the censored versions

[Anonymous No.16387612]

>>16376712
why do you think this and why do you think he chose to revise

[Anonymous No.16387748]

>>16384920
Dziękuję, anonku. Śledzę rynek wydawniczy od dłuższego czasu, a te wydania mimo wszystko mi umknęły. Może kiedyś jakiś PIW czy Osso podchwyci i zrobi z niego serię lub wybór. Polecasz którąś z pozycji w szczególności? Dotychczas przeczytałem tylko Stalowe burze i Eumeswila, więc jestem żółtodziobem.
Jünger autor i osoba zdecydowanie nie jest mi obojętny i jest z tego rodzaju, którego już mało zostało lub nie ma go wcale, więc tym bardziej warto się wsłuchać.

[Anonymous No.16388178]

>>16371579
>now all that's left is dying for the jews
instead of dying for inbred monarchs?

[Anonymous No.16388392]

>>16382785
it's obvious you've never been in the military

most soldiers in the army will never see or engage in combat, most are in support and logistic side instead. same with the airforce, no they're not all pilots lol

[Anonymous No.16388425]

>>16388392
support staff exist to enable fighting men

[Anonymous No.16388460]

>>16388425
that's my point

if you join the military you'll likely be a paper pusher not a warrior

[Anonymous No.16388500]

>>16388460
do yanks draw their roles out of a fuckin hat or what

[Anonymous No.16388508]

>>16388178
Better than inbred desert infiltrators.

[Anonymous No.16388557]

>>16388500
yeah pretty much except the actual combat roles, because then you have to pass a higher fitness/training standard and most people aren't cut for it

[Anonymous No.16388690]

>>16388557
Junger addresses specialisation due to tech and supplantation of the warrior by the worker, doesn't mean warriors don't exist anymore. Obviously not everyone is capable, so what? "Most people" is a low standard. Be better

[Anonymous No.16389362]

>>16371541
Junger served in the French Foreign Legion; still an option.

[Anonymous No.16389384]

>>16371504
isn't that the same larper who became depressed during the war when he realized that actual war is not like the romanticized bullshit he had on his head

[Anonymous No.16389407]

>>16389384
Nah Junger fucking loved the war

[Anonymous No.16389418]

>>16371504
>reading one of the most important writers of the 20th century in translation

ayyy

german isn't even that hard you can learn it in like 6 months

[Anonymous No.16389446]

>>16389407
he loved the retarded romanticization in his head, because he was a fascist

[Anonymous No.16389477]

>>16387599
How are they censored? It's a translation of Junger's later edits. He edited them himself..........

[Anonymous No.16389525]

>>16389446
>German man bad
Bet you love Marx and Engels though

[Anonymous No.16389706]

>>16375644
First translation is shit, but it is the only translation I know of that works from the original edition, before Junger and God knows who else fiddled around with it.

Having read both, I would actually reccomend just reading both, it's pretty short and they have quite a different tone, the first being more idealistic and youthful (and brutal); and the second being more spare and better at communicating Junger's stylistic return to the classical epic.

tl;dr

First trans is perhaps truer to Junger's experience of the war and his nationalist sentiment

Hoffmann trans is better written, but carries decades editorial and cultural baggage

[Anonymous No.16389719]

>>16389706
>God knows who else
no one. stop with the memes.

[Anonymous No.16389916]

>>16388557
That's fucking bizarre, in the CAF you pick exactly what you want to do as long as you have the qualifications
Are you seriously telling me dudes enlist, get a shitty PT score then get stuck as a clerk?

[Anonymous No.16390368]

Daily reminder that this guy would probably be left disgusted by the /pol/ types who idolize him

[Anonymous No.16390393]

>>16387748
Jeśli czytam Jungera to raczej po niemiecku (C1 here) albo po angielsku, fajnie spotkać polskiego fana Jungera na /lit/ :3
>Polecasz którąś z pozycji w szczególności
zdecydowanie Robotnika (jego najbardziej filozoficzna książka) i W stalowych burzach (ta o której jest cały ten thread)

[Anonymous No.16390520]

>>16390368
how would you know

[Anonymous No.16390722]

>>16387612
First, simply because he was strengthening its focus on the war itself, trying to give it a quality of the Homeric and the Sagas. The political elements detract from what is essential, and without context are noting more than a diversion. And secondly, I think it was the decision of a military man. He saw how things were changing and understood that his comments would be misread. He did not want any of his commentary to be misused in a way that would tarnish the memory of his fellow soldiers. The enthusiasm of the 1920s and the hard fall that came afterwards was a matter of fate, there was no need to worsen the situation by dragging the great hopes into political and legal pessimism. Few would understand those words besides any of the men that participated, so it is best to retire them, bury them so that they may retain some sacred quality.

[Anonymous No.16390732]

>>16390520
>>16390368
>throw some grenades over the line
>dip into the officer's quarters
>morning hans!
>artillery shrapnel takes hans' arms off as he's walking out
>crack open some jager with the lads
>otto is cheating at cards again
>hops on the computer
>"killed three anglos today, also fuck jannies rofl xd"
He would've loved it

[Anonymous No.16390807]

>>16389916

You can get stuck at a paper job with a decent PT score. In fact, PT scores don't matter for your MOS as long as you pass unless you're in combat positions. Not even officers are expected to be more fit and lead from the front except in the Marines but most Marine jobs are paper jobs as well.

You pick your job too if you qualify for an undermanned MOS that needs more people (usually Intel, special forces, or something that requires special training that not everyone is cut out for) but you're going to have to wait until a "slot" opens up and that can take months so a lot of people from bumfuckegypt just sign up and go to boot camp as quickly as possible and get any random job with open slots that week.

Another thing that happens often is that you qualify for a job and you go to boot camp with it lined up, but somehow your paperwork gets fucked up (because a lot of paper pushers in the military are idiots who weren't cut out for anything else and they don't care about their job, they literally don't) so you lose your job, or your security clearance somehow doesn't go through so you lose your job. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. Actually it happen to me.

The US military is a good example of why socialism doesn't work. Everyone gets paid the same, you can be as lazy as you want and still coast by so nobody puts real effort in anything, you won't be rewarded for hard work unless you suck up a lot, most platoon leaders will throw their soldiers under the bus for a promotion rather than be the shit shields they're supposed to be against upper management, most jobs have very low barrier of entry so you get some very "colorful" people.

[Anonymous No.16391664]

>>16390807
Jesus Christ that's a whole level of fucked up I've never known about
Can you at least put in for a transfer? I can't imagine signing a four year contract wanting to be a boot only to be put behind a fucking desk
In Canada you can literally specify which unit you want to be placed in, which you won't always get, but you sure as fuck get to pick your trade. If you want to be a combat engineer there's not way in hell they're gonna pull a fast one on you and make you a desk jockey

[Anonymous No.16391755]

>>16371504
pick beetles during a gunfight

[Anonymous No.16391772]

>>16375685
>not The Adventurous Heart

0/10

[Anonymous No.16391803]

>>16391664
>combat engineer
Might as well ask here. Any war books from an engineers perspective? Particularly interested in bridges.

[Anonymous No.16391951]

>>16391803
No idea mate, I'm a POG. Just trained with a lot of Engineers (absolute madlads desu)

[Anonymous No.16391967]

>>16389446
>because he was a fascist
boring

[Anonymous No.16392205]

>>16389525
I like how I explicitly stated why I don't like him but your brain can only register german man bad

[Anonymous No.16392214]

>>16391967
fascism is indeed rather boring

[Anonymous No.16392285]

>>16392214
imagine being such a lifeless husk of a human this is your only interpretation of a man like junger. waste of life, suicide is an alternative.

[Anonymous No.16393417]

>>16371504
bomp

[Anonymous No.16394877]

Why are anons spamming Junger?

[Anonymous No.16395277]

>>16392285
that's not an interpretation, it's an evaluation