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16362323 No.16362323 [Reply] [Original]

>Philosophers spend milliena writing thousands of pages, arguing relentlessly with each other over semantics and whatnot in a an attempt to unveil deeper truths about the universe.
Nothing to show for it.

>scientist

hahha ds > 0

>> No.16362363

>>16362323
I mock philosophy from time to time here to piss people off, but in all seriousness philosophy does have a purpose. Science has its purpose too, and an important one, but that doesn't mean philosophy is useless.

>> No.16362424
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>>16362323
Intensily fascinating equation.
It is also the only physical law that is irreversible. I. e. time always has to flow from the past to the future.

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>>16362323
what does S represent in this equation?

>> No.16363077

>>16363010
Sex.

As in, have sex.

>> No.16363083

>>16363010
I think it's position?

>> No.16363180

>>16362323
Only applies to a perfectly closed system; which is not verifiable on a universal paradigm.
Ontologically justifies Boltzmann Brains as a more probabilistic state of being.
Metaphysically doesn't address the energy/order/disorder themselves, where it comes and why it is; just that order decreases without an absolute origin and state of maximal order (thus it only applies to closed systems and not universal systems). At best you get a sharpshooter fallacy about "A few seconds after the Big Bang"; which avoids the origin question.
Theologically it's tantamount to worshiping the God of Decay.

Overall it's scientism used as a midwit crutch to justify nihilistic atheism as a worldview.

>> No.16363195

>>16362323
Like most people who have never studied philosophy, you labor under the delusion that it is somehow different from science.

>> No.16363219

>>16363180
Thank you for proving OP's point, retard. In the time you spent demonstrating that you're a midwit, you could have actually learned something.

>>16363010
>>16363083
Entropy. The change in entropy is always equal to or greater than zero. The only exception is perfectly reversible states, which don't happen in reality (you can get arbitrarily closer to this, however).

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>>16363180
Cope. Energy flows, matter cycles, deal with it.

>> No.16363252

>>16363180
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

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>>16363223
so dollars are a measure of energy production? What's your point? Who would ever dispute that energy is real? Pretty much 100% of the time philosophers blab about economy its through a Marxist register, which is explicitly materialist.

>> No.16363344

>>16362424
>from the past to the future.
Dont you mean from the present to the future?

>> No.16363467

>>16363297
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/11/4/606/htm

>> No.16363572

>>16363180
this has nothing to do with athiesm

>> No.16363679

>>16363344
Yes, my bad.

>> No.16363701

>>16362323
>>16362424
>science: time goes vrooom

so this is the power...

>> No.16363736

Any good philosophical works about entropy, and more generaly information theory in relation to biology, mind theory and technology ? I heard some interesting takes from some french guys (Serres and Stiegler)

>> No.16363777

>>16363180
well done

>> No.16363781

>>16363736
If you can't do the math, you're just wasting your time. at least that's what i bemieve.

>> No.16363931

>>16363781
I agree. I am interested in the free energy principle and the way Karl Friston is neurotically applying it to every aspect of life. I didn't dig that much into the papers, but I am unsatisfied by the grounding of his claims. I would like to understand how it can be linked to serious philosophy of science & mind. And the FEP is mainly about entropy so...

>> No.16363955

and yes I did the math

>> No.16364337

>>16362323
Every physicist who ever mattered had a classical education and most of them maintained a serious respect for philosophy that endured for the rest of their lives.
Also, the only reason you think philosophy has had "nothing to show" for the last three thousand years is because you're pathetically uneducated about what it is and what it's for.
t. Physicist

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>>16364337
How will OP ever recover?

>> No.16364376

Anyone claiming entropy reveals any deep truth about the universe is, without exception, a midwit and/or undergraduate (an obvious example: >>16363219) possessing all of the arrogance and none of the wisdom that comes from learning bits and pieces of mathematical or physical concepts. Thermo, just like quantum mechanics, just vacuums up pseudoscience retards.

>> No.16364421

>>16364376
This is also true. Entropy is not that interesting of a concept, stat mech is such an unbelievably boring subject that it is largely indistinguishable from materials science in any context other than where they get funding. Thermo and stat mech textbooks regularly include jokes about how the foundational scientists who began their fields had a really bad habit of killing themselves.

>> No.16364437

>>16364421
What is life but a far from equilibrium dissipative structure?

>> No.16364706

>>16363736
Lot49

>> No.16364845

Why do physicist abuse mathematical notation like this?
Unless you mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-form

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