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Is he right?

>> No.16359545

>>16359542
Refuted by Aquinas.

>> No.16359547
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Also, funny Pic related

>> No.16359550

>>16359542

I'm not sure. Can you explain what he means in your own words?

>> No.16359553

>>16359542
Of course a fat nigga would say this. Bro couldn't reason his way out of a second serving

>> No.16359577

Reason is an advanced brain function in the frontal cortex, which evolved to help the human animal to more effectively achieve his evolutionary goals. The goals themselves we often experience as passions, they include eating for the purpose of survival and sex for the purpose of procreation. What we experience as higher reason is simply produced in a different part of the brain, ultimately every function of the organism however has the same goal.

>> No.16359581

>>16359577
Babbys first biology textbook don't you have homework to do

>> No.16359587

>>16359577
>muh chemicals in brain
Okay retard

>> No.16359590

>>16359545
Tired of this meme. Explain it or it never happened

>> No.16359595

shut the fuck up you stupid fucking moth

>> No.16359596

>>16359590
Your shit stained underwear was refuted by aquinas babe

>> No.16359608

>>16359581
The human animal seeking social status and denying his own mortality.

Prove to me that disembodied reason.

>> No.16359617

>>16359587
And yet when bacteria or a virus make you fall ill and make it hard to use your so called reason, you will use modern chemical medicines.

>> No.16359637

>>16359542
>>16359547
is there a more based philosopher than hume?
fuck f*cts and l*gic

>> No.16359753

>>16359542
The "ought" part is debatable, but the "is" part is absolutely true.
Human emotions are always stronger than reason.

>> No.16359789

>>16359753
Me Cletus. Me makes 20 children. Stupid government pay haha
genes live 10000 years
very unreasonable behaviour

>> No.16359796

>>16359789
what

>> No.16359812

>>16359577
>Evolution
>Goals

>> No.16359823

>>16359796
Those emotions are often not truly irrational. Quick unprotected sex makes many cildren, this usually leads to an evolutionary benefit.

I probably come off as a big asshole in this thread with my evolutionary psychology and materialism, I almost hope someone will refute me, but I don't see a strong argument.

>> No.16359836

>>16359812
Figure of speech. Evolution has no goals and can not be examined looking forwards, only backwards.

>> No.16359837

>>16359823
oh right
I agree with you that most emotions, as irrational as they seem, have actually useful bases, but i also believe that in some cases people choose to be unreasonable even when there's no benefit to it.

>> No.16359911

>>16359823
Well to refute you we just have to refute materialism which has been refuted a million times already in the thousands of years before us and this thread.

>> No.16359919

>>16359837
I can see that.
IIt just seems that /lit/ is strongly biased towards idealism and also often the belief in a God. I think that materialism and evolutionary psychology are very valid positions.
The differnce in our positions regarding irrationality is, that I think those people either lack the mental capacity, education or experience, while and idealist would say that they lack some divine spark.
As I said before the part of our brain that does higher reasoning is very important and powerful, but it's still material, it's not Godly.

>> No.16359938

>>16359919
>those people either lack the mental capacity, education or experience
I am talking about idiots destroying their lives through stupid BS, not /lit/ bros who have a different opinion than I do, those are based

>> No.16359957

>>16359919
>The differnce in our positions regarding irrationality is, that I think those people either lack the mental capacity, education or experience, while and idealist would say that they lack some divine spark.

But you're wrong. The point of contention of materialism and idealism is the root cause of things while human behaviour is far from that point.
What you maybe meant to say is that you don't believe in divine inspiration since you don't believe in a soul or God, but idealism doesn't disregard things like mental capacity (nature), education or experience (nurture).

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>>16359577
>The goals themselves we often experience as passions, they include eating for the purpose of survival and sex for the purpose of procreation

>> No.16360105

its weird how bugmen redditors LOVE hume when he only superficially appeals to them. his core ideas are pretty based

>> No.16360114

>>16360105
which are?

>> No.16360123

>>16359577
nope

>> No.16360127

>>16360114
>cant rationally know anything
>emotions are more important in education than knowledge
>irrationality is good if it makes people kind

>> No.16360221

>>16359957
Good post but a bit of a curveball.
Materialism and idealism make statements about the nature of our world, idealism means things like souls and forms are the true reality and the body is in a sense an illusion, while materialism to my understanding means that the physical universe is real´and the brain might form models of the world that are in a sense illusions. I think both ideas are not the complete truth.
I think however that both views have implications on how we view human behaviour.
I do not believe in a divine spark as you said, but I also don't believe in any truth that is above the material world.
In many cases we might arrive at the same practical conclusions. When I meet a woman that I really like I will not think about atoms rubbing on atoms, my brain will produce a feeling of awe, but still, I will never elevate it to something supernatural. Neither will I do that for the idea of "reason" which I think is a product of a material brain and should be treated as such morally.

>> No.16360771

>>16359542
Lmao, reason is the exact opposite

>> No.16360779

>>16359542
>ought

>> No.16360793

>>16360771
stop listening to ben shapiro you pseud

>> No.16360795

>>16359577
You have truth in your soul, but you must search further for it yet. Buddhism and Schopenhauer should be good for you for your soul, for now.

>> No.16360831

>>16359550

What we consider the laws of Logic and science are only beliefs created by habits. I Always see the sun rising every morning, so I suppose that It Will Always be like that, but It Is not true. It Is Just a supposition.

Even what we call "substances" are just an illusion. We perceive a series of sensations and we classify them. These classifications (Objects, people) are just mental.

And at last, we are only a bundle of ever-changing experiences, there is not anything that can be called "I" in the mind or the body.

Hume's conclusions are:

-the true purpose of Science is helping humankind in practice, not pursuing any kind of definite knowledge, because It Is impossible to get it.

-Since true knowledge Is impossible, the only possibile use of Reason for the individuaI is to help him to do what già feelings want.

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>>16359542
No, reason should be the slave of faith

>> No.16360889

>>16359823

>I almosy hope Someone refutes me.

Study Kant, and then study Advaita Vedanta through Yogananda, Sadhguru and Vivekananda (even though this last one must be understood properly, because otherwise It can fuck your psyche).

>> No.16360895

>>16360866
you went full leap of faith. don't ever go full leap of faith

>> No.16360926

>>16359542
Emotions are the fuel of a car, but reason is the person at the wheel.

>> No.16360975

>>16359590
He proved that the sensual man does not live according to reason.

>> No.16361062

>>16359542
To put it in terms of today
>reason is a construct, so live like an animal
Does it even matter if he's right or wrong at that point? You make your own call.

>> No.16361074

>>16359577
>it is completely impossible for me to resist my autonomic, biological functions
Explain suicide, bio-machine essentialist.

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>>16359542
Did Hume come to this conclusion through putting the passions first as well? What makes this statement true if no true knowledge can be obtained?

>> No.16361087

>>16361080
If he were to come through it through reason, then would it be any more valid?

>> No.16361114

>>16361087
Yes. Who would you trust more? A women on her period, or a calm man?

>> No.16361126

>>16361114
Who would you trust more? A calm woman, or an angry man?

>> No.16361141

>>16361126
Point is, You would find the person who has their emotions in check to come to more accurate conclusions.

>> No.16361142

>>16361087
Not that anon, but it wouldn't matter. The point is that philosophy cannot make any claim external to its own axioms, so it doesn't make any sense to think Hume's assertion on reason was any more meaningful than saying, "Math is incomplete and limited, so instead I'll shit my pants for the lulz."
If you guys liked mathematics instead of jerking off to people pontificating about their own intellect and pretending you were them, you'd understand this. If you think the incompleteness theorems don't apply to any axiomatic system, you're just fooling yourself.

>> No.16361516

>>16359542
He was right, all philosophy before and after him is a pathetic cope.

>> No.16361545

>>16359542
He’s correct, though a more appropriate word would be “preferences” as “passions” has connotation that leads to useless debates over materialism. In all cases, reason is totally subject to your preferences. Without having preference, you couldn’t even reason. With reason alone, there’s no reason to do anything. All of our actions and beliefs are ultimately derived from preference of experience.

>> No.16361564

>>16361516
All philosophy is cope.

>> No.16361607

>>16359542
It's backed up by modern science at least. Decision making is heavily influenced by emotions. Emotions are the driver of action, not rationality and logic.

>> No.16361614

>>16361607
>reason is the same as emotional decision making

>> No.16362525

>>16359577
Fucking autist lmao

>> No.16362883

Heidegger takes this up with his notions of care and mood. Put simply you only reason about things you give a shit about, even pure mathematics is motivated by a search for beauty.

>> No.16362903

How could anyone disagree with this? Reason is a tool, it doesn’t go anywhere without the human will to guide it.

>> No.16362919
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>>16359542
Refuted.

>>16362883
Heidegger and Hume are doing it in very different theoretical ways lmao. The words "passions" and "mood" can barely be called synonymous in their use, because what is considered "not-them" in their respective systems, makes an enormous difference both technically and spiritually.

>> No.16363058

>>16362919
What do you mean by spiritual difference?

>> No.16364213

>>16359617
>thinking that has any bearing on your post about the human consciousness
The absolute state of this imbecile
Read more, lurk more and the next time you post should be at least two years from now

>> No.16364607

>>16359617
>using drugs to cure an infection implies that everything is reducible to neurochemicals
You have to go back. I don't know how you found out about this place and why you decided to start visiting it, but it's already bad enough without you.
If you really want to keep browsing, at least just lurk without posting your retarded takes.

>> No.16364913

>>16362919
Just wanted to say an anon on here a while back refuted the so called scat fetishist nonsense as forgeries about 3 years ago. You read a statement like this, the outright disgust motzart has at losing reason in favor of brutish passion, and it just further reinforces it. Also the amadeus movie is misleading and depicts him as a being a sexual libertine which is false.

>> No.16365221

>>16360975
>He proved that the sensual man does not live according to reason.

proofs?

>> No.16365247

>>16359577
>dude look at how smart I am for repeating widely known scientific theory that everyone already knows in the most dry manner possible
autism
you're like a guy who yells fake in the movie theater

>> No.16365254

>>16359542
The "ought" is irrelevant, it CAN'T be otherwise.

>> No.16365279

>>16359553
based

>> No.16365316

>>16363058
Simply that one believes in God and the other does not and it flows from this. Hume doesn't even believe in metaphysics.

>>16364913
Yeah this, though I don't think there was ever something in his known letters that was "fetishistic", it always just seemed to me like he was making a crude joke; as his entire family wrote letters with jokes like these so I suppose it was just an occasional joke like "haha kiss my ass"(which is the actual translation of "leck mein arsch").

Could you point to proof of the letters being fake though, or whatever supposed evidence?