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Anonymous Sun Sep 13 22:59:11 2020 No.16356955 [Reply] [Original]

I have become disillusioned with everything. What are the best books on Communism that I should read?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:00:23 2020 No.16356961 File: 30 KB, 218x249, 1592100668035.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16356955 >119 KB PNG >I have become disillusioned with everything. What are the best books on Communism that I should read?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:01:38 2020 No.16356970 >>16356955 Mein Kampf

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:06:14 2020 No.16356999 >disillusioned with everything >switches to the other materialistic extreme You’re not disillusioned, you just realized you won’t succeed with minor effort in the current system so you look to a replacement. That’s called stupidity

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:11:24 2020 No.16357031 >>16356955 Read Poverty and Progress by Based Henry George. Don't fall for Karl "prince of muddleheads" Marx.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:11:48 2020 No.16357034 >>16356955 The Conquest of Bread- Peter Kropotkin

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:17:43 2020 No.16357075 >>16356961 >>16356970 >>16356999 when did this board get so retarded? you people make me hate this place there is no where for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:18:49 2020 No.16357081 >>16356955 read about human nature and realize communism will never work

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:19:31 2020 No.16357089 File: 25 KB, 233x217, 1594932454275.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16357075 >when did this board get so retarded? you people make me hate this place there is no where for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:19:38 2020 No.16357090 >>16357075 mouth breather

Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:21:03 2020 No.16357100

>>16357081
I used to love Marxism. Even voted for Sanders for communist president in the democratic primaries. I knew democracy was the only true path to a communist utopia. Like Marx said:

>Killing people and destroying property solves nothing. Democracy is the only road to socialism.

Used to read Marx daily. I must have scrolled through brainyquote.com reading ALL his quotes. Oh, I don't know what "human labor in the abstract" means WHO THE FUCK CARES. I don't know what "commodity production" means? Fuck off, you purists. Revolution isn't made by armchair theorists like you, sitting around all smug in your mom's basement nickpicking every little detail anyone gets wrong. It's made by DEMOCRACY when the PEOPLE come together and realize they can create something BETTER. A society created in our own image, THAT's what Marx was really fighting for. Assholes.

I started going down the wrong path. I started getting real deep into Marx, far down the rabbit hole. I found some works written by Marx, the really dark stuff. I started getting into his Theory of White Genocide. Quoted:

The White Man is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor he sucks.

I realized that the white man must be destroyed if we were to create a communist utopia. At that point I realized it was too great a cost to humanity, and realized my own path down insanity.

Started reading Mises, Hayek, Rothbard. The good guys. Learned about the sanctity of property. Learned about how to DEBUNK the labor theory of value with the mudpie argument. But most important of all, I learned baout INDIVIDUALISM and how Capitalism is really the best system for that.

I was like "Holy shit. When you get a job, you actually AGREED to sell your labor to him. Wild". Marx's arguments just fell apart.

But the nail in the coffin, for Marx? He forgot about human nature.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:37:02 2020 No.16357205 >>16357081 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDnQPtijjc

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:40:32 2020 No.16357216 >16357081 Retard

Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:42:56 2020 No.16357228

Kolakowski's Main Currents of Marxism, just the first chapter, realize the Dialectic is just an ancient cult trying to rebirth God on earth and realize AGI is the true fulfillment of that goal rendering antiquated autism about human economics entirely obsolete.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:51:07 2020 No.16357275 >>16357100 >>16357135 >>16357205 >>16357216 still in your feels over reals phase ay

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:52:44 2020 No.16357287 >>16357275 imbecile

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:52:47 2020 No.16357288 >>16357228 Sounds like that suicide note

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 13 23:58:15 2020 No.16357323 >>16357287 cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 00:02:24 2020 No.16357340 >>16357100 This paste is gold, you are doing god's work anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 00:05:50 2020 No.16357348 File: 74 KB, 650x809, 0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Read Main Currents of Marxism by Kolakowski

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 00:06:27 2020 No.16357353 >>16357288 Which one?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 00:26:22 2020 No.16357458
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>>16356955
It's okay, anon. You aren't alone in your disillusionment. Ignore what the bots in this thread are posting.
https://www.marxists.org is a great resource for learning about communism and Marx
I recommend checking out https://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm for an intro. If you're a beginner to philosophy and Marxism a lot of this will go over your head, and that's okay!
People usually recommend the following two texts to newbies:
Wage Labour and Capital: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/
Value, Price, and Profit: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/
Like everything in life, if you want a deep understanding of what Marxism is, you can only achieve it through dedicated study and effort. Don't be turned away by the sheer volume of writing on the subject! There are many people who want to help you learn and grow, and there are plenty of resources for you to do so.
Best of luck, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 00:33:11 2020 No.16357497 >>16357458 thank you reddit

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Richard Wolff here.
Nice fictional utopian called News From Nowhere by William Morris
And this brief book about how to get free
https://www.jamesherod.info/Getting_Free.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:57:01 2020 No.16358521 >>16356955 If you're going to read Marx read Spengler as well. Get an alternate viewpoint before coming to a conclusion.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 04:59:52 2020 No.16358534

>>16356955
I've been reading Kapital lately. Its not a great starting place, but if you just want to read Marx go there. Also, if you want to read an isolated chapter, I'd suggest the one on the Limits of the Working Day. That chapter doesn't have too much math in it, and is mostly a historical account of English labor abuses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:19:44 2020 No.16358605 File: 515 KB, 600x500, oie_7wChj3NzXPNA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Read these two books and ride the tiger senpai

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 05:33:34 2020 No.16358635 >>16357100 is this OC?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:25:44 2020 No.16358781 >>16356955 Real capitalism has never been tried

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:47:09 2020 No.16358848

>>16356955
>I have become disillusioned with everything. What are the best books on Communism
Clearly you haven’t become disillusioned with humanist universalism if you’re interested in communism, and if you haven’t become disillusioned with humanist universalism then you’re a retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:52:42 2020 No.16358865 >>16357100 This but unironically. Imagine thinking a classless, moneyless society without government is remotely possible outside an anarcho primitivist context.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 06:54:12 2020 No.16358872 Being disillusioned with everything is a gulagable crime in a communist country, anon

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 07:06:48 2020 No.16358925
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>>16357075
The 2016 election posters crept in and out-retarded the original posters. There are also claims of psyops, and groups vying to control consent. It's best to quit this shithole altogether.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 09:37:54 2020 No.16359523 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:41:41 2020 No.16359879 >>16357348 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:45:02 2020 No.16359892 >>16358865 anon that is an irony post making fun of people like you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:52:34 2020 No.16359943 >>16357075 I'd like to know as well anon. Sigh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:53:37 2020 No.16359950 >>16358925 We are. Indeed we are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 10:55:34 2020 No.16359964 >>16358925 >ywn shit post for shekels why even live bros...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 13:03:45 2020 No.16360693 File: 15 KB, 200x242, 1599850068685.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16357075 What else were u expecting out of 4channel? lol

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