CHRISTIANS ARE ANTI-BIBLE

[Anonymous No.16352038]

The bible is a great book, maybe the best ever, but all secondary sources are awful. It is like christians are incapable of writing non-biased studies on the literary aspects of their book. They have no idea what they are reading and misinterpret the teaching within. FUCK THE CHURCH.

[Anonymous No.16352053]

The bible is meant to be a personal book. Take the wisdom and apply it to your life disregard the culture

[Anonymous No.16352062]

>>16352053
>muh personal relationship
There needs to be an authority.

[Anonymous No.16352066]

>>16352062
No there doesn't. I have an iq of 180 and incredibly high openness. I can probably interpret the word of jesus better than some argentinian pedophile can

[Anonymous No.16352079]

>>16352038
>The bible is a great book, maybe the best ever
No it is not. Most of it is just a histories of the Jews told in a very dry way and the last part is a tale told by a fool.

[Anonymous No.16352083]

>>16352066
>I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it
Interpret this then.

[Anonymous No.16352103]

>>16352083
I the reader am peter and the knowledge he is imparting upon me is the church of enlightenment upon which evil shall not enter its domain

[Anonymous No.16352108]

>>16352083
Imagine thinking characters in the bible are real people and not symbols

[Anonymous No.16352114]

>>16352062
>>16352066
You're both right.

[Anonymous No.16352123]

>>16352038
Give us an example.

[Anonymous No.16352146]

>>16352103
This is why catholicism is the only way. If you leave brainlets to interpret the Bible you get 1000s of different degenerate protestant denominations.

[Anonymous No.16352159]

>>16352146
>man that licks literal nigger feet and fucka kids is the divine authority of earth
How much of a fucking retard can you be. How about you open a book for once instead of letting sodomites tell you what to believe.

[Anonymous No.16352160]

>>16352146

[Anonymous No.16352169]

>>16352159
>what is papal infallibility
>what is ex cathedra
retard

[Anonymous No.16352174]

>>16352123
No, I am trying to get recommendations for bible study. If I asked normally I wouldn't get any responses.

[Anonymous No.16352176]

>>16352160

[Anonymous No.16352181]

>>16352146
>Jesus spends 3 years wandering around condemning empty ritual and pharisaic ideas of purity
>Literally gives a blueprint to a moral life on sermon on the mount
>2000 years later catholic teenagers on discord call for the execution of immigrants and holy war and lustily breathe in the vapors of incense lit by a pedophile post-vatican 2 leftist that has within his power the only way to attain grace, and is protected by a disinterested hierarchy.

Catholicism is utterly empty at this point.

[Anonymous No.16352189]

>>16352176

[Anonymous No.16352230]

>>16352159
>licking feet
have you not read the bible?

>fucka kids
redditor tier fallacy

[Anonymous No.16352237]

>>16352176
>most followers' children will grow up to be faithful members
lel

I can't imagine what it is like to live in such denial.

[Anonymous No.16352246]

>>16352189

[Anonymous No.16352248]

>>16352083
Reminder that Catholic theology is based on them not being able to understand that in Greek this is a pun.

[Anonymous No.16352254]

>>16352038
>OP appreciates the Bible in and of itself, starts a thread to discuss the Bible as a work of literature.
>Almost immediately the thread becomes a flame war between two rival religious factions. >Despite 18 replies there has not been a single Bible verse quoted in the entire thread.

Sorry, OP. You're going to have to take your question elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.16352258]

>>16352254
>Despite 18 replies there has not been a single Bible verse quoted in the entire thread.
But there has

[Anonymous No.16352272]

>>16352258
>>I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it

Touche, I stand corrected.

[Anonymous No.16352279]

>>16352038
catholics aren't christians, also fuck off if ur a gnostic

[Anonymous No.16352296]

>>16352279
I guess no one was christian before the protestant reformation then.

[Anonymous No.16352329]

>>16352296
>christians always worshipped mary

[Anonymous No.16352337]

>>16352296
Catholicism has changed throughout time and was not always in its present form. There have also always been non-Catholic Christians of various sorts, as much as Catholics tried to exterminate them.

[Anonymous No.16352340]

>>16352038
What do you think of Schopenhauer's? Because it seems like your denial of the church is going in that direction.

[Anonymous No.16352349]

>>16352329
>worship

[Anonymous No.16352354]

>>16352146

[Anonymous No.16352356]

>>16352329
>The earliest recorded prayer to Mary is the sub tuum praesidium (3rd or 4th century) and the earliest depictions of her are from the Priscilla catacombs in Rome (early 3rd century)

[Anonymous No.16352359]

>>16352038
The Church composed the book you dumbo

[Anonymous No.16352392]

>>16352356
It's recorded in the New Testament that there were already heretics spreading their errors at that time, so it's not surprising.

[Anonymous No.16352406]

>>16352359
Scripture is scripture because it is inspired by God, not because any man said that it is.

[Anonymous No.16352432]

>>16352246
These things are so stupid but I laughed

[Anonymous No.16352451]

>>16352406
Why would a protestant believe its inspired by God? A Catholic could say that Jesus created an earthly Church and hierarchy with the authority to determine which writings also had God as its author. A Mormon or maybe even a Lutheran would make a similar argument but assuming you're an evangelical or Calvinist or something like that I really don't see the reason you have to respect scripture.

[Anonymous No.16352454]

>>16352392
So were people in the Catacombs christians or not?
Also was St Augustine a heretic?

>Prayer of Saint Augustine to the Blessed Virgin:
...Holy Mary, succour the miserable, help the fainthearted, comfort the sorrowful, pray for thy people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God; may all who keep thy holy commemoration feel now thy help and protection. Be thou ever ready to assist us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it thy continual care to pray for the people of God, thou who, blessed by God, didst merit to bear the Redeemer of the world, who liveth and reigneth, world without end. Amen.

[Anonymous No.16352468]

>>16352296
In a very real sense, this is true.

The Semitic worldview posits monotheism as a-sky-with-only-Yahweh-in-it. There's nothing "up there" but Yahweh. At all. He's all there is "up there". This is why polytheism is considered so heinous and wicked in Judaism, and why the Jews must convert all gentiles to Noahidism, because it is a GRAVE insult to Yahweh to posit that he has anything approximating an equal. In both Judaism and Islam, angels are basically robots. They don't have wills, or minds, they act solely upon Yahweh's will. They cannot have a "favorite color", or a "favorite song", and you can't actually have a conversation with them because they are only capable of repeating what Yahweh has told them to say.

Compare this with Christianity, where God is actually a metaphysical substance that makes up three Persons, so "monotheism" actually refers to this "God-stuff", so we've got a one-god-as-three, and then Aquinas takes Aristotle's idea of Prime Movers (plural, there's 47-55 of them, in Aristotle these are each a God) and says that these are actually angels. So, we not only have one-god-as-three, which while we can argue about if that's technically tritheism or not (I would say that it is not), we also have angels, who because they are actually entities "up there", are basically gods. Christians saw them as such, and offered animal sacrifice and worship to them, with the last vestiges of this dying off around WWII. There's also saints, who are literally just people who have become gods. Oh, there's also the Devil, who in Christianity is basically a minor evil-god running around causing mischief. In Judaism there is no Devil, and Islam Shaytan AKA Iblis is only capable of whispering things in your ear (he, like all Djinn, lacks a body, as Yahweh robbed the entire Djinn race of their bodies when Iblis did not bow to Adam).

For several centuries, the majority of Cluny Abbey's income consisted of the charging a fee to rub your dick or breasts on a big dick shaped rock, supposedly St. George's penis, that would make your cock and breasts grow larger. When the rock broke, they commissioned a large anatomically correct penis statue, and declared it a miracle that the misshapen stone turned into such a beautiful piece.

The Protestant Reformation, and the popular reading of the Bible (up until this point, the Bible was rarely read in Church services, and most of the sermon consisted of the lives of saints and angels), changed all of that, and (re-)imported the Semitic ideals of the oneness of God. The fact that many Protestant churches abandon the Trinity in all but official doctrine is telling, as they demote Jesus from his position to God and make him into just a really important guy. The largest problem Jews have (theologically) which Christianity is Jesus's claims of being God, not of his claims of being a Messiah.

[Anonymous No.16352490]

>>16352468
>they demote Jesus from his position to God and make him into just a really important guy
what!?!?

[Anonymous No.16352503]

>>16352451
>Why would a protestant believe its inspired by God?
Because it says that it is and God has given us faith.

[Anonymous No.16352506]

>>16352490
position of God*, excuse me.

If you reject the Trinity, and Jesus just becomes "A really cool dude" as many Evangelical Christians posit him, even if he is the son of Yahweh, then... You're not really a Christian. You're a Noahidic who thinks Jesus is cool.

[Anonymous No.16352514]

>>16352468
>The fact that many Protestant churches abandon the Trinity in all but official doctrine is telling, as they demote Jesus from his position to God and make him into just a really important guy.
This is a nonsensical claim that shows you have no actual experience with Protestantism. If there's anything that suffers some kind of de-emphasis in Protestantism it's the holy spirit, outside of charismatic circles. Saying that they demote Christ is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.

[Anonymous No.16352524]

>>16352514
Yeah, this is a common problem on 4chan. Your experience with Christianity, and religion as a whole, is solely this intellectual exercise. It's purely from books. Or rather, it would be if you read books. YOUR experience with religion comes solely from talking about religion on the internet, rather than actually engaging with it.

Go sit in on your local Lutheran (no, not the BASED kind, the ACTUAL kind), Evangelical, or Baptist church.

[Anonymous No.16352525]

>>16352503
The bible doesn't actually say its inspired by God but even if it did that's no reason to believe it is. That would be a circular argument.

[Anonymous No.16352536]

>>16352525
>2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
>17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
I guess since you're a Catholic and don't read it you wouldn't know. It's also not a circular argument, because God's word justifies itself since there is no higher authority by which it can be justified.

[Anonymous No.16352544]

>>16352146

[Anonymous No.16352552]

So this is the power of the Catholic mass...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL9tmkBS9K0

[Anonymous No.16352555]

>>16352536
Translations are not the word of God anon

[Anonymous No.16352557]

>>16352108
this

[Anonymous No.16352563]

>>16352552
This is why the tridentine mass is superior

[Anonymous No.16352570]

>>16352555
Indeed, here is the Greek:
>πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν πρὸς ἔλεγχον, πρὸς ἐπανόρθωσιν πρὸς παιδείαν τὴν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ
The term translated as "inspired" is θεόπνευστος, which means "god-breathed." The Greek is actually more explicit than the English about what's going on.

[Anonymous No.16352687]

>>16352536
This is in reference to the Old Testament because the New Testament didn't exist when this was written. Even so, you're making a circular argument. A text saying it's inspired is no reason to think it's actually inspired.

[Anonymous No.16352695]

>>16352053
The New Testament canon was created specifically to rule out texts pushing the wrong theological opinions. You're supposed to read it one way and one way only

[Anonymous No.16352705]

>>16352687
Once again you're subverting it to man. There doesn't need to be a man-made catalogue in order for the text to be inspired. Are you actually denying that 2 Tim. refers to the New Testament? Are the gospels not inspired by God? That certainly is not the Catholic position, as I'm sure you know.

[Jesus No.16352746]

>>16352038
christians are Antichrist, fact. you are christ if God is within, if God is "I", if God is external it is heresy.

[Anonymous No.16352785]

>>16352705
Yes I'm denying that Tim 2 refers to itself because the very heart of the question I'm asking is why we should believe Tim 2 is scripture. We do need a catalog of what books belong in the bible or should be considered scripture, especially these things are often questioned. Luther himself removed books from the commonly accepted canon of scripture.

I told why I would believe Tim 2 is scripture as a Catholic but I'm asking for the reason a low church protestant who denies the earthly Church and priestly hierarchy would accept these books as scripture. There were many gospels, "acts", and letters that could have made its way into the bible but didn't so how as a protestant can you intellectually justify including Tim 2 in the bible?

[Anonymous No.16352819]

>>16352785
We know what is scripture through the sensus fidelium.

[Anonymous No.16352873]

>>16352819
Explain to me what this is why a low church protestant who rejects the earthly Church and priestly hierarchy would accept it.

[Anonymous No.16352893]

>>16352468
>For several centuries, the majority of Cluny Abbey's income consisted of the charging a fee to rub your dick or breasts on a big dick shaped rock, supposedly St. George's penis
source

[Anonymous No.16352895]

>>16352873
Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

[Anonymous No.16352909]

>>16352176
>>16352189
>>16352246
A new meme to be sure, lol

[Anonymous No.16352916]

>>16352895
What the hell are you even doing? I ask you a question and you just give me an unrelated verse, as if I'm supposed to do your thinking for you. I don't know how it's relevant or what you're trying to say with it.

[Anonymous No.16352934]

>>16352916
It means that God writes his law in his believers' hearts; the church has an indwelling understanding of certain things.

[Anonymous No.16352958]

>>16352934
The natural law does not tell us what is scripture. You're being ridiculous now.

[Anonymous No.16352976]

>>16352958
It's not talking about natural law. It's talking about God making a specific covenant with his people.

[Anonymous No.16352978]

>>16352544
what the fuck man...

[Anonymous No.16352990]

>>16352146
Notice how none of the buttblasted protestards have an argument against this

[Anonymous No.16353015]

>>16352976
Okay dude. God made a covenant with the Jews, therefore the books we choose to recognize as scripture are actually scripture. Protestant logic.

[Anonymous No.16353032]

>>16353015
It's talking about the New Covenant you illiterate mong.

[Anonymous No.16353058]

>>16353032
By quoting Jeremiah? Of course you are.

[Anonymous No.16353082]

>>16352544
It's funny because trad caths are the only ones against this and vatican II yet are still mocked by the very same people that mock the modern Church.

[Anonymous No.16353108]

>>16353058
Lol. It's a prophecy about the New Covenant. Have you never read it before?

[Anonymous No.16353120]

>>16353082
Because you're the modernists' useful idiots.

[Anonymous No.16353123]

>>16353108
You're still missing the point. How does God making a covenant mean the scripture we choose to accept as scripture is actually scripture?

[Anonymous No.16353139]

>>16353120
How so

[Anonymous No.16353168]

>>16353139
Because you keep everyone inside long after it's clear it was a sham the entire time.

[Anonymous No.16353204]

>>16352038
Prima Scriptura > Sola Scriptura
God does not exist within the confines of any one thing. The Bible is the best source, but it cannot be the only one

[Anonymous No.16353219]

>>16353168
What’s the alternative

[Anonymous No.16353577]

>>16352468
I would like books and resources that back up all this stuff you’re saying. Not because I don’t believe you, but because it sounds interesting and I’d like to know more.
The thing you said about animal sacrifices to angels being practiced until wwii especially interests me
I already knew the Jewish and Muslim views on God we’re pretty different

[Anonymous No.16354506]

>>16352248
Jesus was speaking Aramaic so how does that work as a pun?

[Anonymous No.16354517]

>>16352114
this.

[Anonymous No.16354520]

>>16352038
This is because catholics cannot handle theology at all. Islamic scholarship is at least internally consistent, catholic catechism is the biggest meme.

[Anonymous No.16354523]

>>16354506
and the gospels were written in Koine Greek, that's how

[Anonymous No.16354543]

>>16352176

[Anonymous No.16354575]

>>16354523
Explain to me how it works. Matthew is quoting Jesus who is speaking Aramaic. In Aramaic the only word that could have been used for Peters new name was Kephas, which in Greek is literally translated to Petras. Petras has a feminine ending so it isn't a suitable name for a man, so it was translated by Matthew to Petros when necessary.

[Anonymous No.16355047]

>>16352038
another anti-Christian cope. every single biblical critique of the Church is so transparently disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.16355319]

>>16352066
>personally interpret
That’s heresy.