How to prevent the inevitable descent into nihilism?

[Anonymous No.16343599]

Hard mode: no religion.

[Anonymous No.16343612]

>>16343599
How do I solve this problem?
Hard mode: I don't want the true answer

[Anonymous No.16343615]

By not being a LOSER.

[Anonymous No.16343623]

>>16343612
>i don't want to actually solve the problem i just want an illusion of solving the problem

>>16343615
Define being a ''loser''.

[Anonymous No.16343641]

Just accept you have to believe in a bullshit fairy to carry on; I suggest these:
>love
>progress
>freedom

[Anonymous No.16343645]

>>16343599

>How to prevent the inevitable descent into passive nihilism


Ftfy :)

[Anonymous No.16343664]

Man, Vagrant Story is such a great game.

To answer your question OP, you find value in your own actions and goals you set upon yourself. I intend to write until I die. The bouts of nihilism I might experience will always be kept in check by the urge to fulfill my life mission.
To not have one, even one as trivial as being a good father to your children or a to better the society that has shaped you into the good person you are, is a choice you can make, of course, but you'll soon find yourself wanting. Don't be afraid.

[Anonymous No.16343666]

>>16343599
What're you gonna do, kill yourself?

[Anonymous No.16343681]

>>16343599

I don’t usually respond to these threads but I’m in the mood and have to be honest with you, the solution is with the Truth of life, and religion often makes that truth accessible for people, but it’s not required in order to grasp it. If you try to base your satisfaction in life on personal philosophies and temporary pleasures you will always return to depression, and even with the Truth in your heart there will be depressing days. But when one does have that Truth, truly the burden of existence is lightened drastically. So you should ask yourself “why do I reject religion? do I trust myself to make myself happy, or is there credence in the one thing that is universally agreed upon to bring peace into ones life?” These threads need to involve a lot more introspection on these questions because they are crucial before taking any life affirming steps. I myself am religious and decently versed in philosophy so I am open to discussing with anyone here. But for your sake, please reflect on why you want to reject religion and what exactly your dissatisfaction with life is.

[Anonymous No.16343688]

>>16343599
Why do you see it as a bad thing? We're a bunch of talking apes on an insignificant speck of dust in a cold and uncaring universe that creeps closer to entropic decay with every second. Our race, planet, sun, and the cosmos itself will one day die and only frozen dust will remain. There is no meaning or greater purpose to any of it. Life is only what we make of it. Struggle is existence. When you expect nothing to be given to you and accept the only things you will attain come from your own work with the risk of failure ever present any positive outcome is a welcome surprise. To reject this truth is to reject self agency.
>t.pseudedgelord

[Anonymous No.16343689]

>>16343681

>inb4 “there are plenty of religious people who are unhappy, it’s not universally agreed upon”

By religious I mean people of faith, those who experience the Truth and whose consciousness is attuned to Its Reality. Not the nominally religious.

[Anonymous No.16343704]

>>16343664
This. Op, since you don't want any pre-shaped forms of values (like religion) you need to go beyond the stablished good and evil and create your own moral system that will give you purpose.

[Anonymous No.16343715]

>>16343689
>those who experience the Truth

What truth?

[Anonymous No.16343722]

>>16343599

[Anonymous No.16343729]

>>16343623
The opposite of not being a fag

[Anonymous No.16343732]

>>16343715

We religious call it God, other religions may say “the highest reality” “the One” “the first cause” “creator” etc. But when I say Truth it’s deeper than saying “I believe in God”. To understand this truth is to be in the state of being we call faith, which is manifold and largely unrecognized as such. Are you familiar with Heidegger? We can say one is “attuned” to a different way of being when one has faith, their consciousness shifts and the nature of the universe is further disclosed, as well as that of our own souls. I know this can sound like nonsense if you aren’t spiritual and I can definitely try to explain it more “scientifically” if you’d like, but my point is that there are many misconceptions about this state of being, how it’s attained, and how it effects ones life. One can reject it if they want but that will never prevent the consequences of doing so.

[Anonymous No.16343736]

>>16343729
So being a fag?

[Anonymous No.16343737]

>how
By acquiring/discovering/building a 'highest ordering principle', a 'prime overarching drive'.
>no religion
Whatever source that best fulfills your drive and you can trust bro.

The trick is in realizing that you already have an overarching drive, or else you would have neither been capable nor willing of asking that question.

[Anonymous No.16343743]

>>16343688
>insignificant speck of dust in a cold and uncaring universe that creeps closer to entropic decay with every second
So?

[Anonymous No.16343751]

>>16343599
Read Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.16343757]

>>16343623
>Define being a ''loser''.
Being poor,having no family, no commendable life achievements, no one who respects you or looks up to you.

[Anonymous No.16343763]

>>16343757
American hands must have typed this. Either that or prime bait.

[Anonymous No.16343767]

>>16343763
Forgot to say "having sex".
>american?
No.

[Anonymous No.16343814]

>>16343751
literally just buddhism for autists

[Anonymous No.16343844]

embrace nihilism it is the truth

[Anonymous No.16343952]

>>16343743
Clinging to the misguided belief that there is some greater meaning or that we are special is insane. Wilfully rejecting the truth of mortality in hopes of some delusional vision of an afterlife is delusional and only serves to shackle you from accepting your limited time and making the most of it. There is no god, there is is no great plan, there is only the inevitable march towards decay. Accept that fact and take responsibility for your own future with the knowledge that it's all meaningless in the end. This is the true path to inner peace.

[Anonymous No.16343962]

>>16343952
>Freudian criticism of religion
Retroactively refuted by Plantinga.

[Anonymous No.16344003]

>>16343952
No no no dipshit. What is insane is to claim that
>no god or discernible immortality
Equals
>insignificant speck of dust

[Anonymous No.16344013]

Just have faith bro. No religious requirement

[Anonymous No.16344015]

>>16343814
That's based tho

[Anonymous No.16344016]

>>16343599
>>16343623
>>16343844
>>16343952
You are either 14 or plain fucking stupid, and people like you have played a large part in killing this board.

[Anonymous No.16344040]

>>16343844
Your image contradicts your statement retard please read a book.

[Anonymous No.16344047]

>>16343599

Lol you retards, "how do Isolve muh nihilism without going to church", being too high IQ is dysgenic I swear.

The answer to all your problems is simple enough for any being to grasp: be a good person.

[Anonymous No.16344048]

>>16343599
I gotchu, homie

[Anonymous No.16344060]

>>16344047
>active romantic and social life

[Anonymous No.16344071]

>>16344048
That's literally the opposite of what OP wants, moron. Read Nietzsche before recommending him.

[Anonymous No.16344073]

>>16343599
smoke da wed

[Anonymous No.16344074]

>>16344016
>>16344040
stop your nihilism you soul-less cretins
you are both degenerate homos
open up the new testament and read the good news

[Anonymous No.16344082]

>>16344071
>what is Dionysian Pessimism
>what is constant affirmation of multiplicity via eternal recurrence
K brainlet

[Anonymous No.16344085]

>>16344074
What are you talking about i'm literally arguing against nihilism idiot. Also read Bible this morning lol.

[Anonymous No.16344090]

>>16344071
>the inevitable descent into nihilism?
If the descent is inevitable then there is no point in trying to stop it.
Nietzsche is what to do after that inevitability comes to pass.
A recommendation of the future.

[Anonymous No.16344100]

>>16344090
Except nihilism is not inevitable for anyone who is not a complete moron. Read a book.

[Anonymous No.16344107]

>>16344100
>Except nihilism is not inevitable for anyone who is not a complete moron
>!
We see what you’re doing anon. Edgy.

[Anonymous No.16344244]

>>16343599
Just read the Brothers Karamazov

[Anonymous No.16344263]

>>16343599
Just study math. Or technology. Just work on small problems and only address the large ones on calming walks.

[Anonymous No.16344277]

>>16344100
lmao talk to me in 3 years

[Anonymous No.16344302]

>>16343599
>How to prevent the inevitable descent into nihilism?
>Hard mode: no religion.
lol go ahead and try it

[Anonymous No.16344334]

>>16344100
All your Gods are belong to us. We investigated, arrested, tried and hanged every last one.
Look to the birth of new life, not the parading of corpses.

[Anonymous No.16344343]

[Anonymous No.16344750]

>>16344047
>dude we live in a society lmao

[Anonymous No.16344785]

Pick your head up King, we're near the end of the tunnel and from then on, it only gets brighter.

[Anonymous No.16344787]

>>16343599
>Hard mode: no religion.
but religion is Hard Mode anon

[Anonymous No.16344799]

>>16344785
>he really believes we've seen it all
Oh my sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.16344808]

>>16344799
Well yeah "near the end of the tunnel" implies it will get worse before it gets better.

[Anonymous No.16344815]

>>16344808
>he really believes in the end of history and the achieving of utopia

[Anonymous No.16344824]

>>16343681
>please reflect on why you want to reject religion
The majority of people reject religion and drift into nihilism simply because of aesthetics and hipness

[Anonymous No.16344828]

>>16344815
>>he really believes in the end of history
Yeah because I definitely said that anywhere, retard.
>>the achieving of utopia

[Anonymous No.16344834]

>>16344828
>said that
You implied it anon. If you don't see how utopia is an end state, then the retard is you.

[Anonymous No.16344855]

>>16344834
>Implied end of history
>In the first post I said "it only gets brighter" implying it continues "getting brighter"

[Anonymous No.16344874]

>>16344855
Fair enough. So you don't believe in utopia as an absolute endstate?

[Anonymous No.16344882]

>>16344874
Yeah, I don't.

[Anonymous No.16344887]

>>16344785
>communism
how the fuck do people still take this shit seriously

[Anonymous No.16344892]

>>16344882
>perfection has always room for growth
I uhh, am not sure you know what those words mean anon

[Anonymous No.16344901]

>>16344887
>capitalism
how the fuck do people still take this shit seriously

[Anonymous No.16344907]

>>16344901
It's the most prosperous system ever made.

[Anonymous No.16344918]

>>16343599
You make the common mistake of conflating nihilism with depression and negativity. If there is no meaning then there is no good or bad feelings about anything. Everything is gone. You can’t get to that though, nobody can, all you have is your depression/dissatisfaction with life. That may even be the opposite of nihilism. You want more out of life because you can’t believe this is it. You cope with this by calling it nihilism and pretending you have found some sort of ultimate truth when you are really just repeating what others around you have said.

[Anonymous No.16344922]

>>16344907
Lol bro look outside.

[Anonymous No.16344930]

>>16344907
I’m not a commie but if you look at the world today and think things are alright you are a fucking idiot and just shilling for the status quo because you can’t accept the fact that things are chaotic.

[Anonymous No.16344940]

>>16343599
Late Heidegger. Allow that things may come to presence and gather unto themselves the fourfold.

[Anonymous No.16344946]

>>16344922
At what? The richest nation on earth?

[Anonymous No.16344970]

>>16344946
Yeah the richest nation on Earth with a 15% poverty rate(probably higher after Covid), has riots going throughout half the country, has an unemployment and eviction crisis, has a plague going on, etc..

[Anonymous No.16344984]

>>16344970
>the homeless druggies are poor
Oh no!

[Anonymous No.16345009]

>>16344984
>Le lolbertarian brain

[Anonymous No.16345027]

>>16345009
Poverty rate is 11.8%
Threshold is 12.8k/yr
Commie dwellers would sacrifice their first-born for 12.8k/yr

[Anonymous No.16345038]

>>16345027
Ok so 12% rather than 15% of the country is in poverty(and we've yet to see the rate after evictions hit). That's so much better (:

[Anonymous No.16345046]

>>16345038
>in poverty
>12.8k/yr
Commies were eating their grandparents after their ebin revolution

[Anonymous No.16345201]

Have a gf like pic related.

[Anonymous No.16345223]

>>16343599
Compartmentalize.

[Anonymous No.16345457]

“If truth is what you seek, then the examined life will only take you on a long ride to the limits of solitude and leave you by the side of the road with your truth and nothing else.”

[Anonymous No.16345464]

>>16343599
Nationalism

[Anonymous No.16345477]

>>16343599
When you stop being a teenager

[Anonymous No.16346147]

>>16343599
It is in your nature to value and to dream, to suffer and enjoy, to live and to die. You don't need cosmic justification for your nature — just embrace it.

[Anonymous No.16346255]

>>16343599
Being over 15 and actually reading.

[Anonymous No.16346312]

>>16345477
>>16346255
Rejection of Nihilism is a corollary of fear, not maturity. Smooth existential cope though.

[Anonymous No.16346350]

>>16345477
More like when you become an active sheep, but yes.

[Anonymous No.16346449]

>>16343599
By finding something that matters to you lol.

[Anonymous No.16346464]

>>16343599
>t.op
Islam is the only escape from nihilism, degeneracy, and blasphemy against God.

[Anonymous No.16346467]

>>16343599
By accepting final causality and intentionality in creation. Read fesers book on aquinas and stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.16346493]

Love yourself and others unconditionally

[Anonymous No.16346594]

>>16345201
This. Looking everyday into those beautiful blue eyes would be enough to forget about the whole universe I guess.

[Anonymous No.16346679]

>>16343599
By believing in something. You can't reason your way out of nihilism, because you don't reason your way in to that mindset.

[Anonymous No.16347011]

>>16343757
>having no family
You mean like no wife and kids? I don't even want a wife or kids, that seems unfair to call me a loser over something I have no desire for.

[Anonymous No.16347695]

.

[Anonymous No.16347708]

>>16343599
Virtue ethics

[Anonymous No.16347865]

myth of sisyphus
in other words, cope so effectively that you sometimes forget you're coping

[Anonymous No.16347935]

>>16343814
Based

[Anonymous No.16348524]

>>16343599
Self-Overcoming.

[Anonymous No.16348722]

>>16343767
>every successful man was a synthesis of the two

[Anonymous No.16348732]

>>16343599
Personal Responsibility

[Anonymous No.16350247]

>>16344047
So I should put in a bunch of effort to perpetuate the very world that demands you ignore the overwhelming pain in life to be a good little boy and keep the species alive so more people have to put up with this shit? Nah, I'm good thanks.

[Anonymous No.16350257]

>>16343599

>nihilism is really bad and something that should be meaningfully avoided

>>16343612

>you have to adopt a false cope

>>16343615

People who happen to be coping cannot possibly be correct in their evaluation of the world

[Anonymous No.16350262]

“Everybody worships, what or who we worship is one of the few things we can control.”

- David Foster Wallace

[Anonymous No.16350282]

>>16344907
kek

[Anonymous No.16350987]

eating ass

[Anonymous No.16351020]

>>16344016
>>16343962
>>16344003
not that anon but these are non arguments
you either call him stupid or tell him to read a book that will give your argument for you
if you can't provide your own reasons but need to assert they exist and others are wrong for not knowing them instead you're not convincing anyone and likely have no argument you actually understand or are a simple contrarian

the unfortunate thing I was really interesting in finding a rebuttal to what is I think a very common belief in the modern world, how disappointing

[Anonymous No.16351083]

>>16343599
Embrace life as you see fit, that's all there is to it. Don't let anyone sell you smoke, especially those who are in a cult, they prey on moments of weakness.

[Anonymous No.16351092]

>>16350247
No, it's about you an no one else.

[Anonymous No.16351451]

>>16343599
Vagrant Story is one of the (few) best games ever made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiy5uhxnGeA&t=1s

[Anonymous No.16352443]

>>16343599
>Whats the answer to 2+2? Don't give me a stupid answer like 4 or anything ridiculous like that I want the real answer.

[Anonymous No.16352477]

>>16343599
Don't let marxists destroy society and leave your youth with nothing to live for

[Anonymous No.16352508]

>>16352443
>>16346464
Being told an evil overlord will torture you for all eternity if you touch your dick is not a solution to nihilism. Or even relevant to it.

>>16344824
>people are just being edgy hipsters or they'd join my cult
People reject religion because it doesn't have anything to offer and you aren't allowed to control the public schools or send the sheriff door to door to intimidate people into going to church anymore.