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[Anonymous No.16337308]

>professor wants us to put trigger warnings in our essays

[Anonymous No.16337319]

>>16337308
reddit moment

[Anonymous No.16337349]

>>16337308
Nobody does this
(I hope)

[Anonymous No.16337352]

I mean does she have fucking PTSD or does one of her TAs? I would have written some long ass trigger warnings just to pad my word count back in the day if I could have.

[Anonymous No.16337376]

>>16337308
>professor wants us to write nigger in our essays

[Anonymous No.16337377]

>>16337308
Who cares? It takes at most 5 minutes, and like >>16337352 said, it pads your word count. This is like sperging out over a bibliography or in-text citations.

[Anonymous No.16337378]

>>16337308
>Trigger Warning: I don't believe in the use of 'Trigger Warnings'

[Anonymous No.16337390]

>>16337308
Stop lying

[Anonymous No.16337394]

>>16337378
based

[Anonymous No.16337425]

>>16337377
Explain how a Trigger Warning is academically relevant or useful.

[Anonymous No.16337474]

>>16337425
>TA has PTSD (or another mental disorder)
>as a courtesy, you warn them about the contents of your paper
>this helps them manage their traumas and grade you more effectively
It’s a pretty simple concept, really. Same reasons we have wheelchair ramps, big text on websites, and separate storage for foods that are allergens.

[Anonymous No.16337478]

>>16337378
holy shit

[Anonymous No.16337497]

How bout we start putting in nigger warnings, eh?

[Anonymous No.16337499]

>>16337474
So all of a sudden because they were warned about a trigger, it won't bother them? That's laughable. Trigger warning or not, they will still get triggered, rendering them unable to properly grade, as you suggested.

[Anonymous No.16337517]

>>16337474
People with actual PTSD do not want, or require, trigger-warnings. 99.99% of the people who want them are equating "getting angry" or "seeing something upsetting" with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

The only valid trigger-warnings are for things like "loud noises" and "constant repeated high-stress scenarios" for people who have been through industrial warfare. Some lardass needing a trigger warning for "fatphobia" is not someone with PTSD.

[Anonymous No.16337519]

>>16337474
So it has nothing to do with the paper academically, nor is it useful for the paper. It's simply so a tranny can "prepare themself" for something that will make them mad. They will still read it and get mad anyways. Preparing yourself won't help.

[Anonymous No.16337522]

>>16337425
You can say that it’s unnecessary, detrimental to conversation or whatever else. But to pretend you don’t understand the purpose just makes you look like a retard.

[Anonymous No.16337535]

>>16337522
Good thing that's not what he was saying, dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.16337540]

>>16337535
Then it was just a superfluous question

[Anonymous No.16337543]

>>16337522
The purpose makes no sense. Let's say you, me, and your mother are in a room. Then I unexpectedly shoot your mother in the head. Now instead, let's say I warn you with "I am about to shoot your mother in the head." DO YOI REALLY THINK my warning was helpful?

[Anonymous No.16337547]

>>16337499
You realize people can brace for something, right? Half of therapy is learning coping mechanisms so that you can prepare to face things that trigger you. By having a warning, the TA knows what they’ll have to deal with, so they can prep for it.

My current gf has anxiety, and little gestures like checking the contents of a film or book can keep her from spiraling. It’s about 30 seconds of effort, and it saves her hours of misery.

[Anonymous No.16337548]

>>16337519
It can’t hurt

[Anonymous No.16337558]

>>16337474
Kill yourself if you actually believe anything you just typed.

[Anonymous No.16337561]

>You must alternate pronouns to have an equal amount of "he" and "she" in your paper

[Anonymous No.16337567]

>>16337543
Do you really think surprise factor doesn’t exist? Like have you never read or seen a plot twist before?

[Anonymous No.16337572]

>>16337474
you are literally a bug

[Anonymous No.16337580]

>>16337561
>>16337308
Higher education has turned into a joke

[Anonymous No.16337583]

>>16337547
Why should I coddle them? The world wasn't made specifically for you. Part of living is dealing with life. If you find life hard without trigger warnings, maybe life isn't for you?

[Anonymous No.16337586]

>>16337572

[Anonymous No.16337591]

>>16337308
the absolute state of burger education

[Anonymous No.16337594]

>>16337567
You're playing DA because you enjoy getting (You)'s. Trigger warnings are retarded. The world isn't a safe place, nor should it be.

[Anonymous No.16337598]

>>16337583
>why should I coddle asthmatics? the world isn’t made specifically for them. part of living is dealing with coughing. if you find life hard without an inhaler, maybe life isn’t for you?

[Anonymous No.16337599]

>>16337558
He’s just saying what it’s intended to do.
Just come out and say you hate snowflakes and catering to the lowest common denominator of mental competence.
This is 4channel, you don’t have to put up the bizarre pretense of pretending like you don’t know why victims of violent crime or rape feel out of sorts when a reminder of the experience is sprung on them unexpectedly.

[Anonymous No.16337601]

>>16337598
That is a health condition, not some jackass who can’t handle being slightly upset for a minute or two

[Anonymous No.16337613]

>>16337308
I feel triggered, by you posting about trigger warnings in your essays.

[Anonymous No.16337618]

>>16337377
>>16337474
>>16337547
As someone with actual diagnosed PTSD I really hate you guys. I don't want to be infantalized because of an issue I have and it isn't the responsibility of others to mind themselves for my sake. If I'm reading an essay (a collection of ideas) I understand that some of those ideas may "trigger" me. That's just the real world and I deal with it the best I can. A warning isn't helpful, it makes me feel like someone thinks of me as a child.

[Anonymous No.16337620]

>>16337601
>PTSD is not a health condition
>anxiety is not a health condition
>bipolar disorder is not a health condition

[Anonymous No.16337624]

TRIGGER WARNING: I am a convicted sex offender and I say "nigger" 40 times a day

Hello everyone! How are you all doing today

[Anonymous No.16337632]

>>16337598
Yeah, do you have a problem with the sick dying? Shit happens. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.16337650]

>>16337598
>if a tranny reads a book about white men this is the same as someone dying from lack of medical care
Holy shit you dumb fucking troon. All those hormones have fried your brain.

[Anonymous No.16337651]

>>16337618
Nobody really cares though because theres a vocal group of people with PTSD that demands them so they obviously find it helpful. You don’t get coolguy points for dissenting. You also don’t get to claim victim status as a PTSD sufferer and simultaneously disavow the group at the same time

[Anonymous No.16337652]

>>16337620
They are mental conditions. They affect your psyche. A condition, like asthma, can effect your body and can kill you.

[Anonymous No.16337653]

>>16337425
>>16337499
I can’t speak for every English class, but I’m one of three TAs. If an essay would trigger my colleague, she’d trade it with me for one that didn’t.

[Anonymous No.16337671]

>>16337650
>implying anyone cares about “whiteness” outside 3-person extracurricular clubs
I’ve been in grad school for two years, and the only TWs I’ve seen were for rape, war, slavery, domestic abuse, and gore.

[Anonymous No.16337674]

>>16337598
Awful awful awful analogy. A better comparison would be since there are asthmatics in the world, we as fellow citizens, are all required to carry an inhaler on us. That way when an asthmatic has an attack someone else gives them an inhaler.
That's the equivalent of a trigger warning. The onus is on me to provide the solution to your problem. Respond to this. I dare you.

[Anonymous No.16337677]

>>16337652
Why is it worth protecting people’s bodies, but not their psyches? Especially if the people we’re protecting have already gone through a lot?

[Anonymous No.16337678]

>>16337651
you sound like a fag

[Anonymous No.16337682]

>>16337651
I don't claim victim status and I'm not a dissenter. I'm one person who doesn't appreciate you trying to speak for me. You're an intellectual dishonest coward. You think just because I don't agree with your party line that I'm trying to get get "coolguy" points? Maybe some people aren't interested in being pawns for the sake of your moral validation.

[Anonymous No.16337683]

>>16337674
Not really. Nobody can force you to insert a trigger warning anywhere, ever.
You would just be doing it because you want someone to read whatever you are writing

[Anonymous No.16337689]

>>16337677
someone dying of an asthma attack is objectively more damaging than someone on the internet seeing a topic they dont like.

[Anonymous No.16337692]

>>16337618
You're right. Most psychologists I've read about agree that safe spaces and trigger warnings actually worsen real PTSD. The problem is that you have people weaponizing trauma, whether it's their own trauma, someone else's trauma, or feigned trauma.

[Anonymous No.16337695]

>>16337674
Because there are asthmatics, you shouldn’t smoke in public, and when you light your cigar in a room, you should first ask if anyone minds. This prevents harm, in the same way warnings prevent harm. Verbal, low-effort.

[Anonymous No.16337703]

>>16337683
Why should they be warned? Why can't they read until they get to the part they don't like? Still haven't answered this satisfactorily. If you say it's a courtesy thing, it goes right back to asthmatics relying on non-asthmatics to save them with an inhaler.

[Anonymous No.16337712]

>>16337689
You’ve moved the goalposts. We’re talking about academic essays, not Mongolian basket weaving forums. And again, trigger warnings are used for violence and similar content, not arguments.

[Anonymous No.16337715]

>>16337695
Why should an astmatics health be given priority over my pleasure. The astmatic could just as easily leave the room.

[Anonymous No.16337719]

>>16337715
Because health is more important than pleasure. Read Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.16337731]

>>16337692
Yes. That and you have people like >>16337651 trying to crusade on my and others' behalf so that they can feel like they're a "Good Person." It really sickens me when someone like that tries to use difficulties in the lives of others to try and bolster their own social standing.

[Anonymous No.16337747]

>>16337731
>theres a vocal group of people with PTSD
I've never seen a army vet with PTSD demand tws, only people that got "PTSD" from being called nigger on twitter demand them.

[Anonymous No.16337752]

>>16337703
I did though.
If you said “trigger warnings are fucking stupid because the average person is simply not worth that excessive degree of consideration” I would agree with you.
But you keep asking “why?” like you legitimately don’t believe that depictions of rape and graphic violence and whatever else can be upsetting for someone.
It’s possible your an actual sociopath with no empathy, but it’s a lot more likely you’re being willfully obtuse to help the thing to look silly.
This isn’t stupid because trigger warning aren’t stupid- it’s stupid because you really don’t need to be working this hard to point out flaws in the concept.

[Anonymous No.16337756]

>>16337674
Your analogy is horrible as well. No one is saying you have to understand a persons mental issue and administer aid if they have an attack lol. If you want to stick with asthma it’s like requiring certain businesses (woodshops, flower shops, etc) to put up signs saying what they’re selling might aggravate asthma and respiratory conditions, and that it’s the shoppers responsibility to work around that (like bringing a mask/asking another TA to grade the paper).

I think trigger warnings are stupid 99.999% of the time, but ffs at least make a good point.

[Anonymous No.16337759]

>>16337712
>goalposts!!

[Anonymous No.16337763]

>>16337752
>rape and violence are upsetting
No shit. Do you really think an author depicts rape or graphic violence because he wants you to clap and cheer? IT IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.

[Anonymous No.16337766]

>>16337759
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.16337771]

>>16337377

[Anonymous No.16337773]

>>16337715
Because “my rights end where the next guys begin”. Isnt that something people who make this argument would say? You actually believe that right?

[Anonymous No.16337772]

>>16337752
If you can't deal with things which are emotionally uncomfortable then you should consider shutting yourself off from the world.

[Anonymous No.16337777]

>>16337763
Yeah and so to court patronage they add trigger warnings so consumers know that and places like universities give marked preference to suppliers who make life easier on the consumer in this regard.
The only thing missing here is a problem.

[Anonymous No.16337809]

>>16337777
Magnificent quads.

[Anonymous No.16337812]

>>16337618
Exactly. I mean what the fuck do these people actually do when they even see a trigger warning? Just stop reading? How will they know it's even related to their issue? We're also getting to the point where literally anything can be considered a trigger, after which the warnings will oversaturate and lose any and all meaning entirely.

[Anonymous No.16337845]

>>16337812
See:
>>16337547
>>16337671
>>16337653

[Anonymous No.16337852]

>>16337812
They don’t say “trigger” they say like, “trigger: rape”
The idea is so that some girl doesn’t inadvertently put herself in the position of breaking down in tears on a crowded train or in front of her small children. Like if she decides she wants to power through it she can choose where and when, it won’t just jump up and give her an inconvenient panic attack mid-day.

[Anonymous No.16337947]

>>16337777
The problem is a society of fully grown infants encouraged and conditioned to expect a world that bends to their every sensibility rather than exercising a modicum of personal agency in an effort to develop their own emotional maturity and resiliency. How do you not see this?

[Anonymous No.16337974]

>>16337852
What's worse: reading about rape, or being raped? Choose your battles, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.16337999]

>>16337852
Except you've just triggered them by including the word "rape".

[Anonymous No.16338008]

>>16337947
>”Hi, I lost a leg in Afghanistan. Would you mind warning me before the class discusses war, so I can excuse myself?”
>”I was raped in an alley two years ago, please let me know if we’ll be discussing sexual assault so I can mentally prepare.”
>”I have crippling anxiety because I’m a recovering alcoholic. Just leave a note so I can plan to read anything involving alcohol with my sponsor nearby.”
Such infantile behavior.

[Anonymous No.16338011]

>>16337308
put a trigger warning for the trigger warning

[Anonymous No.16338031]

>>16337999
That’s a common misconception. A word by itself isn’t enough; people typically get triggered by vivid descriptions or long discussions of a topic.

[Anonymous No.16338047]

Is there any penalty for not following their guidelines?
You can't be forced to have a trigger warning, as it only seems like a suggestion.

[Anonymous No.16338061]

>>16337599
what are you talking about? women are turned on by rape

[Anonymous No.16338081]

What if you're triggered by trigger warnings?

[Anonymous No.16338309]

>>16338031
>A word by itself isn’t enough
Well I'm glad we've consulted the authorities on the matter of what is and isn't enough to "trigger" an individual, because that's clearly an objectively derived absolute that couldn't possibly differ from person to person.

[Anonymous No.16338344]

>>16337947
Because it’s only tangentially related to what we’re talking about. You’re just widening the issue of trigger warnings to angsty generalizations about society.
You really think a society that wasn’t already infantilized would have cooked up the whole idea of trigger warnings in the first place?
The issue is actually that trigger warnings need to be absurdly specific to make any sense, and it’s a very obvious case of a great many catering to a very small few.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you think a rape or assault victim would be better off using some kind of really inconsistent exposure therapy to get over it; that’s just people not heeding your personal medical advice which is almost certainly not a problem at all.

[Anonymous No.16338357]

>>16337561
This is especially retarded when you're doing translations

[Anonymous No.16338376]

>>16338081
use a sub trigger warning