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Just getting into reading about philosophy/social sciences

>> No.16333939
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>>16333930
Tao Lin, bilateral

>> No.16333952

The burger "left", or the real left?

>> No.16333975

>>16333952
either/or, doesn't matter

>> No.16333976

left this, right that
blah blah blah blah blah
SHUT UP!!!

>> No.16334208

>>16333930
this kids gorgeous. whats his name?

>> No.16334418

>>16334208
Madam Coon Nigger the Third

>> No.16334430

>>16333930
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid-schizoid_and_depressive_positions#:~:text=In%20object%20relations%20theory%2C%20the,of%20development%20through%20certain%20positions.
It's always one side versus the other. This signals lack of mental maturity on your part.

>> No.16334467

>>16333930
Nominating for the right-wing:
>Peter Hitchens
>Ted Kaczynski
>Douglas Murray
>Pat Buchanan

>> No.16334503

>>16333930
Right:
Christopher Lasch
Pat Buchanan
Ted Kaczynski
St. Augustine

>> No.16334512

>>16334503
Lasch is a defective leftie, but that doesn't make him right wing.

>> No.16334514

>>16334503
Left:
Alan Watts
Morris Berman
Karl Marx
Unironically Che Guevara

>> No.16334524

>>16334512
He'd be better categorized as a reactionary, against the enlightenment

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>>16333930
I don't say this often, but that young man is... whoo!

>> No.16334649

>>16333930
L- Joseph Addison, JS Mill, Henry George, JK Galbraith
R- Edmund Burke, John Morley, Lord Acton, Isaiah Berlin

>> No.16334660

left:

Arif Dirlik
Ngo Van
Alexander Berkman
Vsevolod Mikhailovich Eikhenbaum

right:
George Fitzhugh
Konrad Lorenz
Mircea Eliade
Muhammad / The Qu'ran

>> No.16334672

>>16334467
>>16334503
Ted and Lasch are leftists.

>> No.16334690

>>16333930
Left:

Karl Marx
Mikhail Bakunin
Peter Kropotkin
Noam Chomsky

>> No.16334699

>>16334524
He still argues from within a leftist frame, it's just that he disagrees with them a lot. Following your reasoning, Chomsky would be a reactionary.

>> No.16334726

>>16333930
can anyone id the book the boy is reading?

>> No.16334728

disregard the suggestions of anyone who only listed thinkers of one side (bigots)

>> No.16334737

>Partisan
>Thinker
Pick one.

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Save time and just read Liminov.

>> No.16334963

>>16334726
Hold Still by Sally Mann

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>>16334649
damn
First time seeing some arcane thinkers name-dropped on /lit/

>> No.16335060

>>16334208
>>16334590
You might be gay

>> No.16335063

>>16334467
>>16334503
>>16334672
Left/right are deeply modern concepts, born out of late 18th/early 19th century liberalism and the developement of industrial societies. Ted, and toa lesser degree Lasch, oppose these structures. It's ridiculous to apply a left/right model of ideology to older intellectuals. Fucking brainlets on this board will argue that Aristotles or whoever is right-wing but it makes zero sense.
>>16333930
Left:
>Marx
>Lenin
>Baudrillard
More modern/burger-centric
>Adolph Reed
Don't know enough about right thinkers to recommend. Read Céline I guess.

>> No.16335109

>>16335039
>arcane
Is this bait?

>> No.16335123

>>16335063
Lasch is a full-on leftist.
Marx is a full-on leftist
Lenin is not a leftist, he's an autocrat
Baudrillard is not a leftist, he's a French pseud
Adolph Reed is a full-on leftist

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>tfw plebs name-drop normie-tier thinkers

Here's one for you––Left-wing: György Lukács.

"Theory of the Novel" (1916)
>Greek epics and medieval literature represent the "total" world where the "stars burning in the night sky are of the same essence of the soul."
>Modernity and secularization represents disenchantment of this world, spurred on by capitalism.
>"The novel is the epic of a world that has been abandoned by God."
>The solution to the novelization of life is the biography which seeks to create enchanted totality within the individual
>Alas, the biography fails to truly bring about the Greco-Medieval totality as it is a poor imitation of God.

"History and Class Consciousness" (1922)
>Capitalist societies produce "reificiation"; human relations and actions are transformed into properties of products independent of human life. In other words, products rule humans, not vice versa.
>The proletariat is the only class conscious of this alienation.
>The proletariat realizes it is not an object of contemplation but a subject of action and transformation.
>To become the "messianic class," the proletariat must seize power vigorously in the most extreme form of domination, i.e. Dictatorship of Proletariat.
>Thus the resumption of good and evil in the world, that evil actions can tragically produce good outcomes, that tragedy is inherently part of revolution.
>Establishment of communism is the resumption of the total world as lived by the Greeks; the giving of subjectivity to the proletariat a freedom; the vanguard party, like Odysseus, is the “unconditional absorption of the total personality in the praxis of the movement is the only possible way of bringing about an authentic freedom."

>> No.16335210

>>16335201
Pic related, the first chapter of Theory of the Novel. Perhaps the most evocative scene I've read and convinced me this isn't your typical genderqueer anarkiddie reading.

>> No.16335327

>>16335201
What a load of bullshit.

>> No.16335496

>>16333930
>belieiving in a right-left dichotomy
>Just getting into reading about philosophy/social sciences
Pottery

>> No.16335527

left:
>Baudrillard
>Foucault
>Marx
>Lenin
Right:
>Christian Simone Weil
>Hans Jonas
>Ernst Jünger
>Bernanos

>> No.16336331

>>16334208
pretty sure thats jordan barrett

>> No.16336363

>>16335201
>Here's one for you––Left-wing: György Lukács.
>the one Hungarian author other than Krasznahorkai who's namedropped on /lit/ is a Communist Jew
Bazdmeg.

>> No.16336446

>>16333930
A nigress and a twink, my favorite kinks

>> No.16336541

>>16335039
Acton and Morley should be read, but aren't discussed at all on /lit/
Galbraith is perhaps the last great liberal thinker (read Keynes first, though)
In a way it's a firmly centrist reading list-- if you want a thinker who moves radically right to radically left over the course of his career then read Wyndham Lewis

>> No.16336548

>>16335123
>autocrat
Autocracy has nothing to do with left/right binarism.
This is almost exactly what anon is referring to when he said applying left/right to everything, especially older things, is ridiculous.

>> No.16336558

>Right
Konstantin Pobodonostsev, Reflections of a Russian Statesman.

>Left
Anything by Voltaire.

>> No.16336600

>>16334963
thanks anon, I thought that was a Mann photo. she was the original based cunnyposter

>> No.16336602

>>16335201
>György Lukács.
Is that the guy who did Stär Wárcs?

>> No.16336837

Right wing
> Roger Scruton
> Heidegger
> Julius Evola
> Thomas Carlyle