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Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:22:28 2020 No.16324017 [Reply] [Original]

>INTERVIEWER
>You’ve written that the Christian Bible is, on the whole, a disappointment.

>BLOOM
>The aesthetic achievement is so much less than that of the Old—or original—Testament. The New Testament is a very curious work from a literary point of view. So much of it is written by writers who are thinking in Aramaic and writing in demotic Greek. And that curious blend of Aramatic syntax with a Greek vocabulary is a very dubious medium. It’s particularly egregious in the Revelation of St. John the Divine, the Apocalypse, which is a very bad and hysterical and nasty piece of writing. Even the most powerful parts of the New Testament from a literary point of view—certain epistles of Paul and the Gospel of John—are not works that can sustain a close aesthetic comparison with the stronger parts of the Hebrew Bible. It is striking how the Apocalypse of John has had an influence out of all proportion to its aesthetic, or for that matter, I would think, its spiritual value. It is not only an hysterical piece of work, but a work lacking love or compassion. In fact, it is the archetypal text of resentment, and it is the proper foundation for every school of resentment ever since.

What did /ourguy/ mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:23:56 2020 No.16324031 >>16324017 It means he is a seething Jew

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:24:14 2020 No.16324034 >>16324017 He was Jewish

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Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:24:44 2020 No.16324041

>>16324017
I'm surprised he didn't dwell on the relationship between Apocalypse and earlier books of the Bible, especially Ezekiel (perhaps he did somewhere else).

His linguistic observation strikes me as valid, this is probably what Nietzsche meant when he said that God spoke bad Greek. I'm not sure I would follow him on his aesthetic conclusions however.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:24:46 2020 No.16324042 >>16324017 Basically he means: >Around Jews, resentfuls lose.

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Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:25:27 2020 No.16324047

>>16324017
adorno wrote that the secret of aesthetic sublimation is the presentation of fulfillment in its brokenness. this is not to be found in the new testament, which is fulfillment. it's near blasphemous to speak of Scripture in this way though, it's not a work of art it's God's way of instructing man and leading men to Him

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:26:51 2020 No.16324059 >>16324047 Brainlet here please translate

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:26:52 2020 No.16324057 >>16324017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2QGwuuQqgA

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:27:31 2020 No.16324065 >Jew Aiiiight that explains it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:27:37 2020 No.16324067 >>16324047 I wrote that Adornos gay

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Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:34:11 2020 No.16324104

>>16324059
it's just a passage from his screed on pop culture in dialectic of enlightenment. he's saying, as i understand it, that art derives its emotional/spiritual power the way it demonstrates that even when we get what we want, it fails to suffice, the general tragedy of the human race. consider eroica's transition from the triumph of the first act to the funeral march of the second. you can find this same pattern of the tension between achievement
and falling in short in virtually every great work of art. this can then be tied in with Adorno's focus on how the barter principle (that we view everything as exchange) has come to dominate society, and the results of our bartering with nature in a doomed attempt to attain mastery over it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:40:37 2020 No.16324151 >>16324059 He's critiquing the color of a nuclear reactor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:41:52 2020 No.16324158 >>16324047 If you believe the New Testament is divine scripture then it's entirely blasphemous to speak this way, but Bloom doesn't, he doesn't believe the Old Testament is divine either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 18:47:46 2020 No.16324192 >>16324017 Jesus is the best we have, the best we’ll ever have Can’t expect (((Buh Loom))) to care to admit that

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:11:18 2020 No.16324345 Doesn't he also think that the Pentateuch was written by a woman in "Solomon's court" or some horseshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:12:35 2020 No.16324351 >>16324345 He thinks the J writer is a woman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:18:40 2020 No.16324377 >>16324017 >So much of it is written by writers who are thinking in Aramaic and writing in demotic Greek. This isn't even true. Pretty embarrassing claim to make. All of this reads like Hebrew cope. Of course he wouldn't like the NT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:23:57 2020 No.16324411 >>16324017 >the Revelation of St. John the Divine, the Apocalypse, which is a very bad and hysterical and nasty piece of writing did donald trump write this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:36:01 2020 No.16324485 >>16324411 Trump is actually a good writer

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 22:42:16 2020 No.16325482 >>16324017 Did bloom really say this? I always thought he spoke highly of both the old and new testament?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 22:44:11 2020 No.16325497 >>16324017 >jew likes the OT better than the NT I'm shocked

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 22:47:13 2020 No.16325512 >>16324017 The New Testament is the greatest piece of non-fiction ever written. Keep seething circle man

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 22:49:59 2020 No.16325526 >>16325482 Apparently it's from this interview https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/2225/the-art-of-criticism-no-1-harold-bloom

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 23:00:56 2020 No.16325568 >>16324017 Delete. It.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 00:45:23 2020 No.16326129 >>16324104 The Eroica ends in a triumph, there are two other movements after the funeral march

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 00:47:38 2020 No.16326136 Reminder this dude also LARPs as a Gnostic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 00:52:33 2020 No.16326163 >>16324017 >and nasty piece of writing This is where he revealed himself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 10 00:56:29 2020 No.16326178 >man spends whole career defending the canon from those awful "leftists" /lit/: "based and redpilled XD" >man says something slightly jewish /lit/ throws him under the bus The right eats their own.