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[Anonymous No.16310586]

>here's your Church of the Demiurge, bro

Were the gnostics right all along?

[Anonymous No.16310594]

Protestants were a mistake.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16310604]

Pro-lgbtqrxtuvwxyz does imply pro-trans already.

Silly Catholics will do anything to get attendance up.

[Anonymous No.16310610]

I think tradcaths have a point bros

[Anonymous No.16310614]

>>16310604
>that
>catholic

[Anonymous No.16310642]

>>16310586
The only thing worse than protestants are gnostics. The mother Church will survive and these petty wiles of the antichrist come to pass.

[Anonymous No.16310683]

Death to all prods

[Anonymous No.16310703]

>>16310586
This is sad on so many levels. Modernity truly corrupts the soul.

[Anonymous No.16311599]

>>16310604
I think trans look silly but I don't hate them or wish death on them. Dude, if you go outside like that you will get stares. Use your fucking head.

[Anonymous No.16311672]

>>16310586
If your brother became a heroin addict, and you love your brother, would you encourage him to continue his habit? No! You wouldn't. You try and get him to stop. You hate the thing that he does; does that mean you don't love him? Of course not! For it is exactly because you love him that you hate the thing that he does. Likewise, when a follower of Jesus discourages wicked and degenerate behavior, we do it not out of hatred towards the person, but hatred towards the degeneracy the do. Why? Out of of love for the person.

[Anonymous No.16311680]

>>16310604
>protestants
>catholics
based retard

[Anonymous No.16311694]

>>16311672
Indeed, but since the institution of Church has been becoming more and more weak and irrelevant, now we have priests pandering to all sorts of degeneracy and dancing on our screens. This isn't about what is right or what is love; it's about the Church losing its power.

[Anonymous No.16311762]

>>16310586
Why did I have to be born in such a lame epoch? Surely we're due for a reckoning soon

[Anonymous No.16311790]

>>16311694
There just aren't any governing bodies that can unilaterally suppress such things anymore. If you let people do whatever they want, then they will. I don't say this to support something like Catholicism, though. It's simply something that's going to occur on account of human sinfulness.

[Anonymous No.16311801]

That priest is definitely fucking and sucking every boy who walks through those church doors

[Anonymous No.16311848]

>>16311762
Kek I take it you don't watch the news often.

[Anonymous No.16311883]

>>16311848
If I have to watch the news in order in order to experience the happening, then it's not really happening at all

[Anonymous No.16311891]

>>16311848
There's nothing exciting or interesting about progressivism, identity politics, and racial grievances, no matter how much they riot and scream about it. It all strikes me as incredibly bland and banal. It's a movement that is spiritually dead, a soulless husk animated by its corporate puppetmasters. Watching the news gives me no entertainment.

[Anonymous No.16311897]

Oh how the world could have been different if only the retard Constantine was given a copy of the Enneads instead of the (((Bible))).

[Anonymous No.16311907]

>>16310586
Love the guy. Makes Tradtards seethe.

[Anonymous No.16311915]

>>16310586
modern Christians:
>OH MY GOD, IS THAT GOD'S LOOVE I'M FEELING, OH FUCK, JESUS LOOVES US ALL, MHHHHHH YES, EVERY SIN IS FORGIVEN AUTOMATICALLY, MHHHHHH I MUST PASS IT ON, AHHHHHHHHHH, YES, AHH FUCK I THINK I'M, YES HERE IT COMES, I AM FUCKING L-, I'M LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVING

[Anonymous No.16311931]

The most pathetic thing about this is that it doesn't win anything. What I mean is, it's not going to make leftists accept Christianity. It's not going to make them like you. If anything they're just laughing at you, because they know they defeated you. It's like beating someone up and then making them dance around and act happy about it.

[Anonymous No.16311963]

>>16311931
And on top of that your congregation or denomination is just going to die out because your church now offers nothing that distinguishes it from the secular world. If the world and the church are the same, why do I need to wake up and go to this place every Sunday morning? It's a joke, and most places like this are populated primarily with elderly people. You sell your soul and you don't even get anything out of it, lol.

[Anonymous No.16312062]

>>16310642
Based

[Anonymous No.16312077]

>>16310586
Catholics are the best, but the best Protestants are better than the best Catholics.

[Anonymous No.16312105]

>>16311599
unless they pass

[Anonymous No.16312114]

>>16312105
That’s a big if

[Anonymous No.16312122]

>>16310586
Daily reminder this is not a Catholic priest, it's a Protestant pastor.

[Anonymous No.16312133]

>>16312122
Daily reminder that trad larping around one or two cardinals will not solve anything. Either Jesus lied about the Church surviving until he comes back or the Catholic church is not the church he set up. Simple as

[Anonymous No.16312138]

>>16312122
And? Your local Catholic bishop is probably setting up a gay pride parade to sponsor as we speak.

[Anonymous No.16312147]

>>16311848
>he thinks burger politics matters

[Anonymous No.16312158]

>>16312133
>Either Jesus lied about the Church surviving until he comes back or the Catholic church is not the church he set up. Simple as
Catholics like to talk about how reasonable their faith is, but this is the one logical conclusion they're apparently incapable of even considering. Rather find some legalistic loophole somewhere that they can use to handwave everything away.

[Anonymous No.16312167]

>>16312122
Images like this strike me as distinctly unchristian. The only way you get from primitive Christianity to this is conflating the church and the state together, by fusing the church into the world.

[Anonymous No.16312180]

>noo! why isn't he hateful like Jesus would have wanted him to be!

[Anonymous No.16312223]

>>16312105

you will never pass

[Anonymous No.16312231]

>>16312122
Looks comfy.

[Anonymous No.16312233]

>>16312122
Is that cardinal Burke?

[Anonymous No.16312261]

The final argument against Cuckstianity is irrefutable - it has failed, absolutely and completely and forever. It has gone extinct. Spengler said the same thing.

The partition of "church" and "state" that defined post-Roman Western civilization and the critique of which forms one of the fundamental insights of the Traditionalists is probably the most significant structural flaw which opened the way for totalitarian ideologies of "secular" "liberal" "fascism" in the purely economic sense. Plato had warned about this ~2000 years before the English American and French Revolutions. The real innovation was in propaganda, in the impossibly successful effort to convince the most dogmatically religious peoples of all time that, strictly impossibly, they had no religion at all.

Christianity is simply the religion so unfathomably defective that it destroyed the entire category of "religion" for the European peoples, a feat totally unique in history.

[Anonymous No.16312281]

>>16312261
Christianity has nothing to do with preserving any particular culture or civilization, so I don't see how it "failed." Temporal things like states will all pass away, so when you try to turn Christianity into some hybrid with the state, it too will pass away. You don't have Christianity then, you just have another government institution.

[Anonymous No.16312321]

>>16312281
Christianity "failed" because there are no longer any Christians. God is dead, christcucks are larping. The post says "it has gone extinct" directly after it states that it has failed, defining what failed means in this context. Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.16312342]

>>16312321
>there are no longer any Christians
This is factually untrue. It has indeed failed as an institution in most places, though.

[Anonymous No.16312345]

Christianity was, at its inception, and now at its decline, never about the worship of a kike on a stick; it was rather the devout worship of the downtrodden and oppressed.
You see, Nietzsche writes about this extensively in his famous essay titled 'On the Genealogy of Morals,' where he explicitly states that Christianity is a religion that deifies slave morality. One must remember the historical context when discussing the birth of Christianity - Rome in decline, with the majority of its population as slaves and foreigners. Naturally, these were the outsiders, the oppressed, the downtrodden, the weak and worthless. And lo and behold comes a faith with the mandate that "the meek will inherit the Earth," claiming that those who suffer now in this life will be all the more rewarded for it in the next. It turns all the ancient virtues on its head, turning all things good into bad, and all things bad into good.
Of course, once things settled down and the great mass of slaves and foreigners became peoples and nations; once a professional clergy emerged; once institutions were set up to foster and further the faith; once all this had came to be, there is indeed an argument to be made for Christianity's golden age, where the heroic virtues made a glorious return in the 'Perfect Christian Knight,' but it was not long for this world.
Now, of course, with Christianity well past its death throes, is it any surprise that it has once again become the sole domain of the weak and pathetic? Modern Christianity with all its hypocrisy and ugliness is simply a product of our times.

p.s. tradcaths are not at all based or redpilled - they dearly wish for the return of Christianity's golden age, but fail to understand that we cannot reclaim the past; we can only move forward into the great unknown

[Anonymous No.16312393]

>>16310604
That is protestant. We aren't there yet. Robert sarah for pope anyhow

[Anonymous No.16312402]

>>16311915
Robert sarah for pope.

[Anonymous No.16312417]

>>16312345
Well, one could argue that one could remake the church, and Christianity, making something o the rotten supports and collapsed arches of this institution, a new Christianity for a new era you could say.

[Anonymous No.16312446]

>>16312417
That man up there with the rainbow scarf is already making a new Christianity for a new era.

[Anonymous No.16312448]

>>16312321
You're not wrong, but this isn't really a criticism of Christianity, because there aren't really ANY religions that can stand up to ZOG/Liberalism. Even Judaism is getting buttfucked by it, and they run it. Saying "Christianity failed" ignores that Islam is failing, Judaism is failing, etc. It's only in countries that are either explicitly Illiberal (Iran, China) or allowed to create Illiberal zones (Japan, India) that we see religion actually maintaining.

But then, Liberalism is just a Christian heresy, and Liberals don't actually not believe in God (in fact, they're explicit Creationists), so... really Christianity isn't failing, it's just shed its baggage and distilled itself down to its core, a revolutionary doctrine about engulfing the whole world in a constant atomized quest for holiness and purity.

[Anonymous No.16312507]

>>16312448
>Liberalism is just a Christian heresy, and Liberals don't actually not believe in God (in fact, they're explicit Creationists)
Can you prove this?

[Anonymous No.16312515]

>>16312281
Christianity is not a religion anymore, it is just another NGO.

[Anonymous No.16312519]

>>16312448
>what's that goy? you're sad religion is failing? i'll have you know liberalism is holy and degeneracy is holiness

[Anonymous No.16312527]

>>16312448
This asshole fucked up all the Abrahamic religions forever.

[Anonymous No.16312531]

>>16310604
A father (catholic sense) was excommunicated for being pro-lgbt
They don't really mess around

[Anonymous No.16312550]

>>16310642
Nothing is worse than a protestant.

[Anonymous No.16312551]

>>16312448
>Japan
>religion

[Anonymous No.16312565]

>>16312527
by pushing a fish around in a stroller?

[Anonymous No.16312883]

>>16311801
The priest is probably aggressively heterosexual.

[Anonymous No.16312904]

>>16310642
Catholics > Orthodox >>>>>>>>>> Jehova Witnesses >>>>>>>>> Atheists >>>>> Protestants

[Anonymous No.16312923]

>>16312904
>t. trad LARPer

[Anonymous No.16312929]

>>16312507
Go talk to them. They'll happily reify the existence of a creator, the supernatural, something "watching over them". They'll say they believe in "karma", but really they believe that some kind of higher power is watching them, rewarding them IN THIS LIFE for being good, punishing them IN THIS LIFE for being bad, actively testing them IN THIS LIFE, etc. The more self aware ones adopt Simulationism.

So why call themselves atheists? To save God from immorality. When Stephen Fry says "how dare you!", and calls Christianity "bronze age fairy tales", he's actually saying "how dare you say God could be as petty and horrid as Yahweh is in the Torah!". He's defending God from accusations of immorality. William James does something similar, solving the Problem of Evil by making God less powerful.

Atheism is a means of bullying less-extreme Liberals (Evangelical Christians are Liberals) and of securing further piety and holiness. It's part of this long-running attempt to turn Christianity in this weird historyless Noahidism. A sort of Abrahamic-Paganism, stripped of time.

>>16312551
Yes, that is correct. The Japanese are incredibly religious. They just don't see religion the same way as Westerners.

[Anonymous No.16312932]

>>16312904
There's only one Holy and Apolstolic Catholic Church, and the Chair of Saint Peter is wobbly.

[Anonymous No.16312952]

These sorts of churches are always empty. I've seen Rodney Stark talking about how studies show that more progressive a church becomes the more it's abandoned. It's one of the reasons Methodists are going extinct.

If I was Satan it's how I would attack the Church.

[Anonymous No.16312966]

>>16312952
https://youtu.be/uaq7kBxKv8M

[Anonymous No.16313080]

>>16312952
Indeed, why go to a liberal church when you can just watch CNN? There's nothing there that you can't get from any secular entertainment outlet, so why go through the trouble?

[Anonymous No.16313119]

Give me one good reason why you should be against any of those things

[Anonymous No.16313124]

>>16312345
>rome in decline
>in ~30ad

[Anonymous No.16313138]

>>16311672
Bad analogy, if your brother has a heroin addiction you encourage him to OD quickly. Junkies drag everyone down who tries to help.

[Anonymous No.16313159]

>>16313119
Because criticising those things is the only purpose Christianity has at this point. Disdain for homosexuals and transsexuals and mistrust of scientific research was the last point of connection Christianity had with the average person. I'm not saying that those things are objectively moral or actually correct, but I can see the absurdity of a Christian professing support for such things just as I could see the absurdity of Henry Ford professing a love for Chevrolet automobiles.

[Anonymous No.16313175]

>>16313159
Christianity is dialectical. Biblical passages aren't set in stone as the ultimate way to do things or to be taken literally or there would still be a ton of insane thousands of year old laws being practiced by the church

[Anonymous No.16313183]

>>16313124
reject modernity, embrace tradition
that's right, we're going all the way back

[Anonymous No.16313194]

>>16313119
Because they're evil.
>>16313175
>Biblical passages aren't set in stone
Yes they literally are.

[Anonymous No.16313227]

>>16311931
It really is pathetic. And the ironic thing is that young people experiencing an awakening, those looking for spirituality, are turned off by it. When the inner spirit reviles against modernity, against globohomo, against the monoculture, and against the chaos of moral relativism; when the soul yearns for peace amidst our sea of degeneration; and when the mind rebels against the sophistries of neoprogressivism, the balm for such ailments is not further debasement with a Christian aesthetic. It is the true Gospel of Christ. Christ loved the world with a love we can only hope to one day comprehend, and in that love broke bread with all manner of our kin: sinners. But the end of His boundless love's means was not endurance but salvation, not the tolerance of our sin but the redemption of us from it, and that through His sacrifice we could become new creatures, clean from the sins of our generation, and once again abide His presence and tolerate His holiness. And while it's true such a transformation is possible only through the power of His atoning sacrifice, it is a gift we must be willing, and anxious, to accept for ourselves. Displays such as this priest's are the height of heresy. Not just because of their perversions, but because in their magalomanic hubris they craft a new gospel and proffer it not for the glory of God, but for the acceptance of their priestcraft.

[Anonymous No.16313232]

>>16313124
Rome's decline started in like 200BC dude. Decline is when you stop growing. It's when you're over the hill. A person begins to "decline" when they like, 30.

That doesn't mean you stop getting stuff, however.

>>16313119
>pastor
Protestant, ergo shit.

>who is
He's on Tiktok, ergo shit.

>Pro-women's rights
Anti-Science, women aren't men, women are unhappy, women don't like being turned into weird shitty half-men for capitalism.

>Pro-Faggotry
Sin, also faggotry is a mental illness and makes people miserable.

>pro-tranny
Sin, see above.

>Pro-science
He isn't, so this is a lie, which is a sin.

>Not afraid of evolution
He doesn't believe in evolution, so this is a lie, which is a sin.

>Cool with other religions
The whole point of Christianity is to convert the entire planet to Christianity, so this is a sin.

>Cool with atheists
See previous.

>Not a hater
This is an incredibly dumb thing to say.

>All about love
His definition of "love" involves childrape, so this is a sin.

So yes, literally every statement he made on this was wrong and immoral.

[Anonymous No.16313247]

>>16310586
That isn't a synagogue. Gnostics identified the God of the Old Testament as the demiurge.

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>>16312531
Bizarre. They prefer their homosexuals stay child molesters.

Wow. Sorry, but that looks like no Protestant church to me. Still very off topic bullshit thread. Go make your own board.

[Anonymous No.16313281]

>>16313232
>decline is when you stop growing
>roman decline started in 200 bc.
Clearly you didnt study the history of the roman empire

[Anonymous No.16313291]

>>16313250
>Sorry, but that looks like no Protestant church to me.
If you mean the one in the OP, it's probably part of a "high church" denomination, which means they retain an episcopal structure, vestments, sacramental practices, etc. If I had to make a guess I'd say it's an Episcopal (Anglican) church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_church

[Anonymous No.16313304]

>>16313291
And looks like I was wrong about the denomination. I googled his username and it's a United Methodist church.

[Anonymous No.16313311]

>>16313175
That's the problem here (at least in my opinion) the church does indeed, move with the times. Over the years a lot of what you might call: "Biblical morality" has fallen away because it's intolerable to modern society. The LGBT issue was one of the last cases where the common man and the church were in total agreement and saw no room for amendment, if the church concedes that ground then they'll be entering a whole new phase of Christianity, a new phase where society completely informs Christian morality and the Bible informs nothing about social mortality. I think that's why people treat it as such a contentious issue, it's not about LGBT itself, it's about the idea of Christianity becoming totally subservient to the modern world.

[Anonymous No.16313318]

Why do people like this even cling to being a christian anymore. Is it literally just snowflakeism?

[Anonymous No.16313326]

>>16313281
Your problem is that you think "decline" means "a decrease in quantity". It doesn't. It's a decrease in quality. No historian would agree with your definition.

Go read a book. Here's one: Roman Aristocrats in Barbarian Gaul.

>>16313304
I was going to say, there's no way this guy isn't a Methodist.

[Anonymous No.16313342]

>>16313311
Acceptance of homosexuality is also not just a simple moral issue. It overturns all of Christian anthropology and renders its entire ethical system baseless, not to mention that it reduces the Bible to tissue paper.

[Anonymous No.16313364]

>>16313119
>pro-womens rights
A meaningless concept. Women have been the foremost victims of universal suffrage. As it stands today, this term almost always applies to so called bodily autonomy wherein the person should be "free" to abort and misuse it as they please without any legal or societal judgement which is simply a mask for bodily hedonism, which is more costly and pathetic than resorting to psycho pharmacological means.
>pro-LGBT
Accepts false and untrue promises about human sexuality, denies any behavioural input. Sodomy itself is a perversion, that spreads countless diseases and accomplishes nothing. There is nothing to show for it other than a waste of time, effort, money all for an illusionary pleasure that's gone. It's a pathetic surrender and corruption of the worst elements of humanity which is why most theologians have rightfully called it the worst sin to exist, worse than murder. It inherently seeks to scandalize.
>Pro-Trans
Same as above. The only advantage of trans is if met to completion (id est, surgical castration) the liability to snap and molest is drastically decreased.
>pro-science
This means pro pop-science , which is a series of hypotheses asserted as absolute fact.
>not afraid of evolution
This speaks to the evolution of ideas and a changing voluable aspect. It also erroneously pop-sciifies Darwin's theories and assumes "evolving" to be a verb where somehow the species knows to make a mutation here and there as needed which is cartoonish and shows absolutely no understanding of mutagenesis which also lends itself to the hairbrained assumption that should the elements of life exist elsewhere natural intelligent life is surely an outcome. It is the soiboi version of thinking something else is out there and is just a bad cope built on bastardizing science. In any case, the early church fathers seldom accepted a literal account of creation and there is no contradiction of evolution. In fine, this is merely a midwit statement designed to appeal to the brainlets who think the earth is 6000 years old.
>Cool with other religions
Is he cool with me contradicting and assailing his core beliefs? I doubt it. This is just a cope to be passive aggressive.
>not a hater
Unless he has had a prefrontal lobotomy, this is impossible which also makes him a liar.
>all about love
If he was full of love, he would prescribe the best course of action. Being a nice person doesn't mean you are full of love. It means you are a passive aggressive asshole who hides behind pretenses of civility.

[Anonymous No.16313413]

>>16313364
>In any case, the early church fathers seldom accepted a literal account of creation and there is no contradiction of evolution.
The rest of your post is good but this is incorrect, cf. Basil's Hexaemeron, Maximus the Confessor; Byzantium calculating time from the Biblical creation of the world; there are councils which anathematize anyone who believes that Adam was subject to death (necessary for human evolution to occur); even Augustine states the world is less than 6000 years old and uses the Biblical timeline as his reasoning. The early church believed that the meaning of a text was not singular, that is, it has a literal component and an allegorical component, or whatever it may be. So the fact they understood Genesis in an allegorical or metaphorical manner does not mean that they did not also understand it literally. Divorcing the two is a modern concept.

[Anonymous No.16313436]

>>16313413
To add, there is frankly no reason in the biblical text itself to understand Genesis as being exclusively non-literal. It is simply a description of an occurrence. There is no "as it were," etc. language to mark metaphor or mere appearance. The anti-literal viewpoint is adopted solely from modern, secular concerns, with the conclusion being that Genesis could not be accurately understood until the modern era, which is ridiculous on its face.