Does anyone else get angry at the inconsistencies of the bible?

[Anonymous No.16303415]

I haven’t been the best person.

As a young boy, I’ve always wondered what I was doing wrong, why I was never 100 percent sure god existed. I would look at churchgoers and get jealous at their solid faith, whereas I always struggle with the thought of there being no god. It’s really difficult to believe when you have Aspergers, and I would get angry at myself for it

Later in my late teens, the mystery of consciousness and the fact that I have qualia lead me towards spiritualism, and I am confident that there is something more to reality

I am now struggling with the inconsistencies and moral dilemmas in the Bible. From the problem of evil, to “god allowing free will” despite hardening the pharoh’s heart, to allowing slavery under mosaic law. It sometimes gets too confusing and I get angry that the book isn’t as coherent as many make it out to be. I also get furious when people warp the Bible to nonsensical limits in order to be consistent, like how people are willing to say that genesis is non-literal in order to rationalize the problem of evil

I am also struggling with hentai. When I read it, I get intrusive thoughts that tell me “this is sin” but I try to stop them by telling myself that everyone sins, or that god’s morals in the Bible are inconsistent, or that the Bible was heavily edited to control the masses.

[Anonymous No.16303508]

>>16303415
There are no inconsistencies in the Bible.

[Anonymous No.16303538]

>>16303415
>Inconsistencies in the Bible
How are you this dumb, aren’t true blue artists supposed to be smart?

[Anonymous No.16303654]

>I get intrusive thoughts that tell me “this is sin” but I try to stop them by telling myself that everyone sins, or that god’s morals in the Bible are inconsistent, or that the Bible was heavily edited to control the masses
>I am also struggling with hentai
The state of modern Christians, everyone. The bible is a mythos, the same as all the other religions. Christianity has a ton of psychological benefits for those who can truly practice it, but you're obviously not one of them. Stop trying to justify bronze age political propaganda as morally relevant to today. You can trace every religious idea in the bible back into Sumer, Egypt, and even the paleolithic. Stop calling yourself a christian until you get your shit sorted out. They already have a bad enough reputation, they don't need your post-hoc justifying hentai ass

[Anonymous No.16303678]

>>16303654
somehow i get the impression that you're not what anybody would consider a christian

[Anonymous No.16303971]

>>16303508
Many people claim that god does not control evil people or kill them before they do evil because it would violate free will, but Ramses had his heart hardened and Onan was killed for not impregnated his brother’s wife

God also gives Samson rage to kill 30 people to take their clothes after his wife gave his friends the answer to a riddle

[Anonymous No.16304008]

>>16303415
The Bible is a collection of various Semitic folk tales from the Iron Age. Don't expect any cohesive wisdom in it.

[Anonymous No.16304040]

>>16303415
Why the hell would the bible be consistent?
It's more that 70 different texts by more than 40 different authors written on a spam of 1000 years with different historical and cultural contexts. There is no coherence in the bible other than the one created by it's apologists.

Also, it's not necessary to have rock solid faith to be a churchgoer. They mostly do it because of tradition, social cohesion and such. Religion can fulfill those functions in society.

[Anonymous No.16304095]

>>16303415
Not a Christfag but your objections to the religion seem based on prejudices and preconceptions and unsubstantiated generalisations. Like "heavily edited to control the masses" is just some internet atheist canard with no real historical basis.

>I also get furious when people warp the Bible to nonsensical limits in order to be consistent, like how people are willing to say that genesis is non-literal in order to rationalize the problem of evil
This is not really a "rationalisation". Strict Biblical literalism is a modern phenomena. If you read St. Augustine and the other Early Church Fathers they more or less consistently perceive Genesis to be allegorical.

To attain peace of mind I'd suggest reading charitably and objectively about the religion and making your mind up based on solid premises rather than emotional crap. You said something about Aspergers and I have the feeling you pride yourself a bit on your "rationality" which might actually be an impediment to your ability to actually learn new information. I'm not saying that all of your quibbles with the religion are baseless, just slightly starved/uninformed.

Actually I'm being a bit uncharitable. I just realised the problem isn't your intellectual struggle with Christianity, but the intrusive thoughts and you trying to deal with them. I.e. you wouldn't be worrying about this stuff if your brain wasn't injecting it into your consciousness involuntarily. Maybe try CBT or something.

>>16304040
>Also, it's not necessary to have rock solid faith to be a churchgoer. They mostly do it because of tradition, social cohesion and such.
Yeah but the Bible says those people (the lukewarm) are going to hell lol.

[Anonymous No.16304184]

>>16304095
Why should the lukewarm go to hell? It doesn't seem fair if they're condemned to hell through no fault of theirs. If their unscrupulous leaders fail to show them the path, can God forgive them? Can people be excused from failing to embrace the faith truthfully, even though they have followed the creed.

[Anonymous No.16304507]

>>16303971
The God of the OT acted differently than the God of the OT, because it was a different era (BC/AC). Or from a religious perspective, we don't need help in times of tragedy, because the prophecies of His people are fulfilled and Jesus came to help forever. Thus, no inconsistency.

[Anonymous No.16304523]

>>16304507
There's plenty of unfulfilled prophecies in the bible, messianic and non-messianic.

[Anonymous No.16304551]

>>16304523
really? I thought His people have done their job as the chosen ones to bring forth the chosen one. what else is there to do but to live in peace? is there really an open thread of the OT that is not tightly knot in the NT?

[Anonymous No.16304557]

>>16304551
Yes. Really. Where is world peace? Where is the temple (inb4 "but it's spiritual")?

[Anonymous No.16304583]

>>16304557
>Where is world peace?
give it time. the NT is barely 1900 years old. its last book has information on Napoleon in it and we're still figuring out the rest.
>Where is the temple (inb4 "but it's spiritual")
Yerushaleim, Lutetia, Washington.

[Anonymous No.16304624]

>Does anyone else get angry at the inconsistencies of the bible?
Angry? no. Why would I? The Christian bible lived the full extent of it's usefulness during the middle ages, as a perfunctory method of social organization. Once the enlightenment period was in full swing, and man began to fully realize his faculty of reason, blind faith took a back seat to the search for truth. The end result is -- at least in my experience -- that there ARE truths espoused in the bible that continue to stand in the cold light of reason. Yes, there are inconsistencies, which are by their nature, not useful for the purposes of forming a coherent worldview; however, though much of the bible can likely be discarded by merit of its applied ineffectiveness, that does not necessarily mean that it should be dismissed out of hand, in its entirety, as nothing but a mere fairy-tale.

[Anonymous No.16304633]

>>16303415
Just read Carlyle, the Protestant de Maistre and should have a sufficient answer for most of this stuff. Also he's one of the greatest historians and thinkers ever, a classic writer with an unapproximated style by anyone else. Start with "On Heroes, Hero Worship and the Heroic in History" and then "Sartor Resartus".

See
>Jorge Luis Borges greatly admired the book, recounting that in 1916 at age 17 "[I] discovered, and was overwhelmed by, Thomas Carlyle. I read Sartor Resartus, and I can recall many of its pages; I know them by heart."[20] Many of Borges' first characteristic and most admired works employ the same technique of intentional pseudepigraphy as Carlyle,[21][failed verification] such as "The Garden of Forking Paths" and "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius".

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2013/07/28/lecture-johnson-and-boswell/

[Anonymous No.16304678]

>>16303415
I have the same problems but I'm guided by Aristotle and Aquinas. You don't have to read through all of it at once but take a look at the second part of Summa Theologiae where he goes over virtues and vices. I'd also recommend The Thomistic Institute on YouTube and unironically Soundcloud.

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3.htm
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd55APptap1Ve7Jwqa8OcBA

Whatever you do, don't give up on trying to be a virtuous man.

[Anonymous No.16305574]

No, because I hold it as a work of derivative syncretism.

[Anonymous No.16305585]

>>16305574
>Once I had found His Incarnation on the great seat,
>in the doorway of electrum,
>and I myself was stretched out on my belly,
>I no longer knew myself in his presence.
>That god was addressing me amicably,
>but I was like a man taken by obscurity,
>my soul gone, my body limp.
>My heart, that is not what was in my body,
>that I might know life from death.

[Anonymous No.16306194]

>>16303415
>I am now struggling with the inconsistencies and moral dilemmas in the Bible. From the problem of evil, to “god allowing free will” despite hardening the pharoh’s heart, to allowing slavery under mosaic law. It sometimes gets too confusing and I get angry that the book isn’t as coherent as many make it out to be. I also get furious when people warp the Bible to nonsensical limits in order to be consistent, like how people are willing to say that genesis is non-literal in order to rationalize the problem of evil

I hear where you're coming from; been there myself.

Get ahold of a copy of Louis Bouyer's "The Meaning of Sacred Scripture," a very fine exposition of the meaning of the Bible.

i. It wouldn't expressly address all your questions, but it will show a large, more attractive, indeed beautiful frame in which those questions reside. It is like changing your perspective from one of being on the shore wondering how sailing ships work, to being in the middle of the ocean on a sailing ship.

ii. The book is out of print, and unless you get very lucky, used copies are expensive, and, so far as I know, it's not available in e-file form at any of the usual places. You should probably be able to get a copy via inter-library loan, however.

> I also get furious when people warp the Bible to nonsensical limits in order to be consistent, like how people are willing to say that genesis is non-literal in order to rationalize the problem of evil

The encyclical Humani Generis addresses some of these issues:
>http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis.html

I myself think of the early chapters of Genesis as a true account but told, as it were, in a literary version of stained glass windows.

>I am also struggling with hentai.

If it puts you in the way of sexual temptation - and it's hard to imagine that it does not - then you should put it away; don't lead yourself into temptation, as it were. There is plenty of more wholesome manga and anime, or what-have-you.

[Anonymous No.16307446]

>>16305585
I think I will read it now

[Anonymous No.16307616]

>>16304095
>I have the feeling you pride yourself a bit on your "rationality" which might actually be an impediment to your ability to actually learn new information
Not at all. While I will say I do feel a little superiority complex when it comes to knowledge (in comparison to the average person of course), I often wish I could sometimes experience what it’s like to have other people’s rationale

[Anonymous No.16307697]

>>16303415
>I dwell on the idea that the bible is inconsistent to justify masturbating to anime girls
Pick sin or virtue with a clear mind OP, don't muddle them together like this

[Anonymous No.16307732]

>>16303415
/x/

[Anonymous No.16308850]

>>16307732
It has to do with a book

[Anonymous No.16308867]

Book recs about masturbating to anime girls?

[Anonymous No.16309976]

Is the warm feeling you get from reading about the Bible a unique aspect to this religion? Do others, when raised under different religious, feel the same experience?

[Anonymous No.16310379]

>>16303538
>true blue artists
What?

[Anonymous No.16310954]

>>16307616
So yes lol

[Anonymous No.16310964]

>>16303415
>Hentai
>Sin
How is that a sin? The Bible doesn't even mention hentai. Are you sure you're not just conflating that with regular shame?

[Anonymous No.16311000]

>>16310964
Imagine being this dumb.

[Anonymous No.16311023]

>>16303415
There are no irreconcilable contradictions in the Bible, but plenty of rhetorical confusion.

>>16303654
You know what? You did it, you came up with the most obnoxious, cringe, reddit post ever! But it's not down to your cleverness, only how much of an asshole you really are.

[Anonymous No.16311036]

>>16303415
>OMG BIBLE ALLOWS SLAVERY BIBLE BAD
Hard cringe. I can't believe people actually still complain about this.

[Anonymous No.16311075]

>inconsistencies in the Bible
What, according to you?

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding"

[Anonymous No.16311162]

>>16309976
I get that feeling from reading Whitman or Steinbeck

[Anonymous No.16311202]

>>16310964
C'mon bro lmfao

[Anonymous No.16311327]

>>16311036
It’s not that the Bible contains it, it’s that it condones it

[Anonymous No.16312642]

>>16311327
>condones it

Depends on what you mean by "it."

http://www.evidenceunseen.com/articles/the-goodness-of-god/the-bible-and-slavery/