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/mu/ was not being very forthcoming so I thought I'd try here, sorry if it's not strictly /lit/ related ;

I need some quality literature on music (Music Theory in particular), does anyone have any suggestions? thanks

>> No.1626160

fuck off vomit

>> No.1626158

Silence: Lectures and Writings by John Cage is fantastic.

You should listen to an audio of the Indeterminacy lecture too, if you haven't.

>> No.1626164

>>1626160
you call those you don't like "vomit"

that's ticking

>> No.1626166

Buy an instrument and get a songbook for it. Learn to read a music sheet. If you can't make music, you have no say in talking about music.

>> No.1626168

NO, HOLMES! BE CAREFUL YER GONNA FALL

>> No.1626183

>>1626166

Making music, listening to music, and playing music are all very different exercises. They have next to nothing to do with one another.

To say that only those making it have any right to talk about music is foolish.

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>>1626158
>experimental
pic related I will take a look at it nonetheless thank you

>> No.1626198

this interest is pretty good d&e

>> No.1626210

>>1626191

>Whenever anyone said the music I presented was experimental, I objected. It seemed to me that composers knew what they were doing, and that the experiments that had been made had taken place prior to the finished works, just as sketches are made before paintings and rehearsals precede performances. But, giving the matter further thought, I realized that there is ordinarily an essential difference between making a piece of music and hearing one. A composer knows his work as a woodsman knows a path he has traced and retraced, while a listener is confronted by the same work as one is in the woods by a plant he has never seen before.

>> No.1626215

I stumbled upon this the other day.

http://forum.bandamp.com/Announcements/30000.html

>> No.1626216

>>1626183
When you start to play a variety of instruments and are able to name them all in songs, its like being able to understand allusions to other pieces of literature in books.

Simply by owning a few electronic keyboards and playing them often I can say that certain mainstream bands use many preset keyboard percussion settings and things like that with no talent. To me, it sounds like musicians such as these are using Fischer Price instrumentals, whereas the average listener cannot tell the difference between a Yamaha keyboard and a Fischer Price one.

>> No.1626220

This Is Your Brain on Music: The Science of a Human Obsession by Daniel J. Levitin

This is a specific type of musical theory, but one I find the most enjoyable: The musical affect on the human biological form. Quite fun.

>> No.1626222

>>1626216
i don't like this post.

>> No.1626225

>>1626216

I think you underestimate the average listener, or overestimate the average musician.

I've been able to pick out different instruments since I was a child. And oddly enough, the one instrument I do play, piano, I have a very hard time picking out of a large group of sounds.

>> No.1626226

>>1626222

If you listen to music without playing the instruments, you are like a fish chasing a worm on the hook of a fishing rod. You just see the worm. I see the rod and how silly of at rick the musician uses on you.

The musicians that have real talent are the ones that make me think a worm became suicidal and decided to jump into a deep, dark lake. There is no fishing rod.

>> No.1626228

>>1626226

I find your notion of the relationship between composer and listener very disturbing.

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>>1626215
>>1626220

cheers guys

>> No.1626232

>>1626228
this. jesus christ.

>> No.1626238 [DELETED] 

>>1626228

It is not art to tie a worm to a rod and shove it into a water to feed a fish. Feeding a fish a suicidal, mentally disturbed worm is art. Maybe the fish jumped into the water because it believed it could be received into the worm equivalent heaven by plunging into such waters. This might describe an album by Tim Hecker.

>> No.1626233

that kid is a fucking giant

he's just as big as those houses

>> No.1626242

>>1626228

It is not art to tie a worm to a rod and shove it into a water to feed a fish. Feeding a fish a suicidal, mentally disturbed worm is art. Maybe the worm jumped into the water because it believed it could be received into the worm equivalent heaven by plunging into such waters. This might describe an album by Tim Hecker, such as his latest release Ravedeath, 1972.

>> No.1626246

>>1626228
To put it in a slightly less metaphorical explanation, by becoming familiar with several different brands of electronic keyboards, you will be disgusted at how uncreative many modern bands are in that they do not craft any unique sounds of their own, but simply use pre-produced electronic keyboard tones.

You know that one really over used scream sound effect in movies? Yeah. It's like I'm hearing that same scream, over and over again.

>> No.1626247

>>1626238
no one can be bothered following your shitty imagery at 2am. the sensitive ear to different instruments you were originally talking about can be gained without being a musician yourself. having to play every single instrument, that was a good one.

>> No.1626249

>>1626242

>It is not art to tie a worm to a rod and shove it into a water to feed a fish.

Ignoring the point that I still find this relationship between composer and listener quite deluded and disturbing, I ask:

Why not?

>> No.1626250

>>1626246
>modern bands
>uncreative in sound/timbre
oh wow. you sound extremely bitter and close-minded here.

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how bout those books there folks

>> No.1626255

>>1626251
>stop
d&e stop trying to prevent discussion.

>> No.1626256

>>1626250
Okay, watch this video. It is a compilation of various usages of the Wilhelm scream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio

Learn to play some basic classical piano songs, and over time buy the top brand electronic keyboards. Practice on every single preset instrument with every keyboard. Eventually, about 75% of modern music will start to sound like shit, because it will take on the Wilhelm scream effect. Once you have filtered out this 75%, you will have good taste.

>> No.1626258

>>1626256

>alleging that there is such a thing as objectively good taste

>> No.1626259 [DELETED] 

>>1626258
There are many factors that can affect taste, and familiarity with instruments is one that can amplify the musical taste of everyone. Though simply buying instruments and learning to play them is not something every can do, a true fan of music should o it. Sometimes, people will eat shit just because they see alot of other people eating shit. And then there's hipsters: they just eat shit.

>> No.1626261

>>1626258
There are many factors that can affect taste, and familiarity with instruments is one that can amplify the musical taste of everyone. Though simply buying instruments and learning to play them is not something every can do, a true fan of music should do it. Sometimes, people will eat shit just because they see alot of other people eating shit. And then there's hipsters: they just eat shit.

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>>1626258

>> No.1626266

>>1626256
i dont care what keyboard noodling you've done. it is fucking fact that musicians have access to a wider variety of sounds/timbres than ever with the digital software. and as it improves greater control over it. if there's anything to complain about its that they fiddle with this at the expense of the actual song writing. jesus are you trolling?

stop judging modern music on what comes out the radio in shit quality at the soul-destroying place you work at.

U MAD NOSTALGIAFAG?

>> No.1626271

>>1626261

What does it mean to 'amplify' one's taste?

>> No.1626275

>>1626266
>i dont care what keyboard noodling you've done. it is fucking fact that musicians have access to a wider variety of sounds/timbres than ever with the digital software.

My point exactly. Modern music artists have access to such technology but most do not use it at all.They simply use a preset on a keyboard and then turn a knob slightly, changing the tone or pitch or some other factor, to make their usage of the preset "original". It's like hearing the Wilhelm scream, except sometimes really high-pitched or low-pitched...yep that's original.

>> No.1626277

>>1626271
Improve, broaden, expand. Those are probably even definitions of amplify if you google it or look in a dictionary.

>> No.1626282

by most you mean pop music right?

>> No.1626295

>>1626282
Not quite. Many underground bands have no talent too. Some popular artists make pleasing sounds, new treats for my ears, but very short-lived treats. The golden suicidal worms can only be found at the bottom of the ocean.

>> No.1626315

>>1626277

>Improve, broaden, expand.

Improve is not a synonym of broaden or expand. Just because your taste is broader doesn't mean it's been improved.

>> No.1626316

Before I go, I leave you a golden worm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfBd7J75L9c

This band's guitarist killed himself after suffering an injury that would render him unable to play a musical instrument ever again. I understand that.

>> No.1626324

if it is any consolation I sympathise with your viewpoint wilhelmscreamguy

>> No.1626344

I've got both of these on my amazon wishlist, sound like maybe the sort of thing you're looking for

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Culture-Readings-Modern-Music/dp/0826416152/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1
299985828&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Noise-Political-Economy-History-Literature/dp/0816612870/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&am
p;qid=1299985841&sr=8-1

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Tansey thread

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might as well make it Art general

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>> No.1626663

>I
>I'd
>I need

Say, what's this thread about, anyway?

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>>1626663
Literature on Music or displays of Art

>> No.1626811

The Norton Anthology of Western Music, of course.

>> No.1626829

>deep&edgy
>sageing his own thread
how deep & edgy!