/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16230080]

Are there any books for coping with the realization that you're doomed to live a poor, unfulfilled, wageslave existence for the rest of your days?

[Anonymous No.16230312]

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.

[Anonymous No.16230355]

>>16230080
Are well paid doctors (aka future me) wage slaves?

[Anonymous No.16230363]

>>16230080
could be worse

[Anonymous No.16230377]

>>16230355
Not in any meaningful sense. But you are still a "worker," if you know what I mean

[Anonymous No.16230380]

>>16230355

Yes. But at least you'll be building pyramids instead of picking cotton.

[Anonymous No.16230670]

>>16230355
>well paid
You have been a wageslave ever since you stepped into a university for the purpose that you did.

[Anonymous No.16230679]

Bukowksi

[Anonymous No.16230682]

>>16230377
I mean imagine how miserable serfs must have been because they couldn't buy Funko Pops and have them delivered by Amazon.

[Anonymous No.16230686]

>>16230080
marx

[Anonymous No.16230726]

>>16230355
If you're selling your labour for a wage then you're a wageslave.

[Anonymous No.16230745]

>>16230080
None of that is true.

[Anonymous No.16230752]

>>16230080
>for the rest of your days
this isn't true.
your last 10 years or so, after you retire and your spouse and all your friends are dead, and after you're too old to travel or do anything you'd like to do, after you can't see or hear anymore, and it hurts just to exist.....then, then you can do anything you want.

[Anonymous No.16230757]

>>16230355
Yes but not on the same level as most wageslaves because your job is a noble and productive one; assuming that you’re working to cure people’s illnesses rather than castrating mentally ill teenagers.
Perhaps you’re more of a wage indentured servant, or if you are a wage slave it’s the equivalent of the Chinese bureaucrats and Greek scribes, you aren’t a wage chattel slave

[Anonymous No.16230767]

>>16230355
You won’t be poor and unfulfilled like OP

[Anonymous No.16231026]

what do you mean by "coping"? How is one supposed to cope with this reality?
>>16230752
the world will be fucked be climate change by then, so who cares

[Anonymous No.16231081]

>>16230745
>>16230752
>he thinks retirement will still be a thing in the future
We will be working until we drop. The average retirement age is getting higher even now too. When you tell your children of the days gone by when people could have hope that they could at least live their crippling old age in freedom, they will look at you in disbelief and believe you are lying

And that's assuming you don't die before retirement age.

[Anonymous No.16231109]

>>16231081
eh, speak for yourself.
my parents just retired at 59 and 62. my house is paid off at 35, i've got 3 vehicles and don't need a new one for a while, i'm already married, and i'm not having kids. parents will be leaving me a decent chunk of change and my wife and i are debt free with a good bit in the bank. i worked hard and lived within my means. but yea most of you are fucked.

[Anonymous No.16231360]

>>16231109
What do you do for a living? Do you live in an expensive area or a smaller town?

[Anonymous No.16231377]

>>16231360
small town, nothing that pays well. i'm just good at saving.

[Anonymous No.16231420]

>>16231026
>>16231081
Look on the bright side! This will save your employer millions

[Anonymous No.16231455]

>>16231109
>and i'm not having kids

[Anonymous No.16231553]

>>16231109
what's the purpose of your and your wife's existence?

[Anonymous No.16231559]

>>16230080
it's not a book

[Anonymous No.16231590]

>>16231420
who the fuck gets a pension nowadays
only ancient fucks who started working decades ago get pensions

[Anonymous No.16231594]

>>16231553
enjoying our lives, obviously

[Anonymous No.16231603]

>>16230377
People who have jobs are workers?! Nothing gets past you

[Anonymous No.16231619]

>>16231081
I wasn't planning on retiring anyways. I'm just going to enjoy my life and then when I get old I'm going to blow my brains out.

[Anonymous No.16231647]

I actually quit a decent STEM job because I was much happier doing lowly paid 'wageslave' work. The STEM job was just constant stress and I had no free time, now my life is far more enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.16231668]

>>16230355
Yes, just wage slaves of a higher class.

[Anonymous No.16231684]

>>16231647
Was really that bad? Also, of course it’s going to be stressful, did you think you’ll be getting paid a shit ton for less. Not trying to be mean but you could’ve retired early.

[Anonymous No.16231951]

>>16230757
>Doctors
>noble
Fuck you nigger.

[Anonymous No.16231954]

>>16231647
Based

[Anonymous No.16231957]

>>16231684
>dude just work really hard then retire when you're a dumpy 40 year old, wasting your entire youth for comfort in your middle and old age lol

[Anonymous No.16231968]

>>16230080
Apathy and other small victories

Terrific book that really shines when you're working a wage slave dead end office job.

[Anonymous No.16231987]

>>16230355
Keep on trucking anon, I believe in you.

[Anonymous No.16231989]

>>16231957
>wasting your entire youth for comfort in your middle and old age lol
What’s the difference? Except working till you’re dead.

[Anonymous No.16232010]

I have been depressed for a while but for whatever reason have never dreaded working. For me working is something that distracts me from the negative thoughts that disturb me the rest of the time. Maybe it's because it's the one area of my life where I've been moderately successful.

[Anonymous No.16232017]

>>16231989
You're swic

[Anonymous No.16232330]

>>16230080
Bhagavad Gita.

And, you know, all the ancient wisdom literature.

[Anonymous No.16232412]

>>16231553
What a fucking stupid question. Even worse considering you probably asked it solely because he said he wasn’t having kids, as if that’s the only worthwhile thing to do in lifd.

[Anonymous No.16233035]

>>16231647
unironically I understand you, what did you do and what do you do now exactly?

[Anonymous No.16233397]

>>16232412
It is though

[Anonymous No.16233464]

>>16230080
i would recommend on of the marxist texts that focus on alienation but most people on this site and thus presumably you are reactionary dumbfucks so idk read steven pinker or something

[Anonymous No.16233468]

>>16233464
>on
*one

[Anonymous No.16233492]

>>16233464
I think there's a fair share of marxists, or at least leftists on this board.

[Anonymous No.16233501]

>>16233464
>reactionary

How can you in good conscience call them reactionaries when you yourself want to undo the entire fucking agricultural revolution instead of just returning to some form of constitutional monarchy or aristocratic republicanism like most reactionaries?

[Anonymous No.16233509]

>>16233501
ok schizo

[Anonymous No.16233540]

Sometimes I think about murdering the owner of the company I work for.

[Anonymous No.16234007]

Read this book.

[Anonymous No.16234146]

>>16230080
read marx

[Anonymous No.16234195]

>>16231109
I hope something happens to you to make you extremely unhappy anon

[Anonymous No.16234253]

>>16231109
>no children
You failed.

[Anonymous No.16234265]

>>16234253
>muh biological imperative
>muh future for white children

[Anonymous No.16234280]

read marx if you have some spirit of freedom still left in you, read the bible or some lib apologist like peterson if you want to cope

[Anonymous No.16234283]

>>16233501
>Undo the agricultural revolution
read a book retard

[Anonymous No.16234702]

>>16230355
>future me

[Anonymous No.16234719]

>>16233397
so how old are your kids, anon?

[Anonymous No.16234757]

>>16234283
>what is "primitive communism"

[Anonymous No.16234914]

>>16234757
yeah did you miss the "primitive" there or something?

[Anonymous No.16235579]

>>16231684
I don't think I could have held on long enough for early retirement, I was completely burnt out.
>>16233035
IT Infrastructure systems analyst, now I'm a security guard

[Anonymous No.16235597]

>>16234702
jesus christ that meme is fucking brutal. why is life so awful, bros?

[Anonymous No.16235610]

>>16233501
>HE HATE CAPITALISM SO HE WANT TO GO BACK TO HUNTER GATHERER

[Anonymous No.16235670]

>>16235579
>IT Infrastructure systems analyst, now I'm a security guard

Cool, how much percentage of you previous wage you are doing now as a guard?

[Anonymous No.16236051]

>>16233464
>everyone I don’t like is a reactionary

[Anonymous No.16236063]

>>16235579
Based

[Anonymous No.16236064]

>>16230080
what's a book for coping with the realization that you're too retarded to be a wageslave cuck?

[Anonymous No.16236073]

>>16231968
AYO!
that book is fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.16236087]

>>16230080
Stoner, /lit/'s favorite book is exactly this.

[Anonymous No.16237537]

>>16234702
This image is what killed my hope for the future I graduated with a engineering degree over 2 years ago. It was okay when I was a neet afterwards because but now that I have a shitty job this image feels like its set in stone for me

[Anonymous No.16237940]

>>16230080
Engels. Then the KAPD organisational texts. Leninism is hysteric. Avoid. The most important thing is to find praxic organisation and read deeply on the history of class struggle.

[Anonymous No.16239036]

>>16234702
The labor market is way too saturated.

[Anonymous No.16239109]

>>16239036
Wrong way around. Capital is holding down expansion of productive capacity due to OCC TROPTF

[Anonymous No.16239157]

>>16235610

[Anonymous No.16239182]

>>16234702
this is actually me for 3 years now

[Anonymous No.16239203]

>>16239109
>OCC TROPTF
In english doc

[Anonymous No.16239488]

>>16239203
The organic composition of capital, or its machineyness is too high. This means the rate of profit is too low to expand production. Because machines have reduced the purchasing power of labour as a percentage of the economy. The incorporation of non capital by enclosure or periphery by development is the normal escape but Chinese capital is conducting nationalist investment and locking you out. It is in volume 1 people.

[Anonymous No.16239652]

>>16230080
>he didn't buy chainlink

[Anonymous No.16239790]

>>16239652
Getting rug pulled on the nearly last of my crypto money thanks to EQMT is partly what promted me to make this thread

[Anonymous No.16239795]

short story on audio only by michael gira - i am an infant i worship him

[Anonymous No.16241075]

>>16230355
Yes, but a highly valuable and expensive one

[Anonymous No.16241081]

>>16230080
There definitely worse fates

[Anonymous No.16241237]

>>16233464
>i would recommend on of the marxist texts that focus on alienation but most people on this site and thus presumably you are reactionary dumbfucks so idk read steven pinker or something

[Anonymous No.16241284]

>>16239652
bank wouldn't let me. i kept trying to find out who to call to allow me to make a foreign payment but each department just kept giving me the phone number to another one. i was gonna put in 2000 at 50 cents. don't really care though we're all gonna die anyway

[Anonymous No.16242576]

>>16235670
I made 105k a year before and now I make 27k

[Anonymous No.16243192]

>>16242576
What the fuck
How old are you? Are you married? Do you have a lot saved up a lot from when you were making that salary?

[Anonymous No.16244574]

>>16242576
Did you get a comfy night shift or something? Was thinking about becoming a security guard, I want to get paid to read books.

[Anonymous No.16244584]

>>16230080
Anti oeadipus

[Anonymous No.16244591]

>>16230080
you are not though, why the fuck would you? Just credmaxx, shoplift, live in a van and occasionally do odd jobs here and there, it is actually all good, more time for reading, literally the only con is that I have a hole in my shoe but even that is meaningless because I can just stay in the van and shitpost

[Anonymous No.16244685]

>>16234280
May those who follow their fate be granted happiness; may those who defy it be granted glory

[Anonymous No.16244704]

>>16243192
33. Not married. Nothing saved, I spend all of my money as soon as I get it.
>>16244574
Not night shift but it is comfy, and I get some time to read books between my rounds.

[Anonymous No.16244715]

>>16234280
>>16244685

[Anonymous No.16244787]

>>16244715
newfag, child of 2016 probably too. Sad!

[Anonymous No.16244998]

>>16230080
Death Note completely unironically.

[Anonymous No.16245081]

>>16244998
Can you explain why?

[Anonymous No.16245107]

>>16231455
Why would you want kids?

[Anonymous No.16245262]

>>16245081
The reality Death Note's protagonist faces is functionally the same one OP is describing prior to his call to action within the story.
Breaking Bad is almost beat for beat a complete rip-off of Death Note, if that helps paint a picture. Both are about boring men in boring worlds finding a way to reshape their reality and self actualize through violence. Both of those stories illustrate man's innate desire for adventure/conquest/purpose.
Death Note, in my opinion, understands and deconstructs this better than Breaking Bad. I believe people who would identify with and understand Death Note the most are people like OP. It is basically japanese salaryman cope.

[Anonymous No.16245546]

>>16231968
a screen play of the book would/ could make
a cool indy comedy
hopefully with little known actors
maybe a bigger star as a supporting role
Woody Harrelson as one of the detectives?>>16236073

[Anonymous No.16245812]

>>16245262
The ennui of being a wageslave isn't really a major theme in Death Note or Breaking Bad, it's only a brief initial phase of the protagonists character arcs and the meat of the story is really about the corrupting nature of power.

[Anonymous No.16245850]

>>16245262
If that's your angle then you could consider like 90% of shounen series to be fitting
The attributes you're describing is just basic power fantasy plot, might as well read Spiderman.

[Anonymous No.16245883]

>>16234280
Marx is for slave cucks. Read Novatore

[Anonymous No.16245965]

I think I would read the hounds of baskerville
and solve the mystery of the golden fleece
because its one of my favorite things to do bitches.

[Anonymous No.16245998]

>>16244591
based and freesoulpilled

[Anonymous No.16246078]

>>16245812
>the meat of the story is really about the corrupting nature of power.
I disagree strongly with this. I don't think you're incorrect necessarily, but I don't think corruption by power is the real point of either of these stories.
I'm going to limit the explanation of my argument to Death Note for simplicity.
I don't believe that the protagonist of Death Note ever actually believed that he was correct, throughout the entire story. I would cite his dying visions as evidence of this.
I believe his role as a villain originates in his subconscious choice to play that role. He became Kira because of his innate desire to have purpose and a goal to strive towards in a life where he felt nothing.
Had the nature of the death note not been so sinister, I do not believe he would have turned out the way he did. To put it in a corny way, I believe the screenplay of fate called for a villain, and he subconsciously chose fill the role to save himself from monotony. His longing for purpose, to struggle, to triumph, and eventually to fail; I believe these were the real reasons he did what he did. I believe it was a form of escapism on his part, that when he became Kira he could finally become a human being, as egotistical, despicable, and blatantly wrong as he became. I don't believe the nature of power or corruption are what drove him.
I also believe that he also subconsciously sought defeat, and that had he actually succeeded in his goal he would find himself again without any purpose or reason to live. I believe he needed a reason to live, and a reason to eventually die. I don't believe any of what I just described came into his own view until his death.
I do not believe that the notion of corruption by power fits with this.
I think the same ultimately applies for Walter White, with alterations.
Given your interpretation, I understand why you think of the salaryman archetype we're discussing were just brief phases in the lives of the protagonists, but I also think you're completely wrong at least by how I understand you.
My interpretation requires that these characters were struggling with the meaninglessness and monotony of life chronically, and that their desire to feel literally anything was the ultimate source of every single morally poor decision they ended up making.

[Anonymous No.16246097]

>>16245850
Death Note is shounen. My argument was that Death Note is about escapism, it is not itself a tool of escapism for escapists like the battle shounen I am assuming you're trying to point towards. Anybody self inserting or relating to Death Note would do so through projected suffering and angst.

[Anonymous No.16246281]

>>16230080
You don't have to be rich to have a fulfilling life
C'mon lit you should know this. It's pasted all over in literature

[Anonymous No.16246424]

>>16230080
Read Permaculture A Beginner's Guide. Start saving money to buy a plot of land (obviously away from big, overpriced cities), solar panels, tools and so on.

Also seconding what >>16246281 said.

Also, everyone who recommended Marx is a huge clown.
>The class of modern wage labourers who, having no means of production of their own, are reduced to selling their labour power in order to live.
This not only feeds into OP's defeatist attitude but it is literally wrong. You aren't reduced to selling your labour, not until the bourgeoisie cover the sun, salt the earth and cause droughts. The tyrannical grip the bourgeoisie had on agricultural means of production is something fictional in this day and age. You need no more than a front yard to live comfortably in terms of food, electricity, water and shelter, and you can aim much higher. Go wallow in self-pity somewhere else, modern-day proletariats.

[Anonymous No.16246451]

>>16230312
fpbp

[Anonymous No.16246462]

I frequently fantasize about being a famous author and having my books made into films. I know I'll never be successful as my writing sucks and I'm a total coward/afraid of rejection. It's fun to dream, though.
The most I've ever wanted was a well paying, reliable job, but even that is far-fetched.

[Anonymous No.16246466]

>>16231109
All that for what? without children everything you have will go to those who don't deserve it, unless you organize giving it to some God-children or something.

[Anonymous No.16246491]

>>16230080

[Anonymous No.16246497]

>>16246424
I wouldn't mind living like that if I had a cute, loyal, obedient, and devoted wife. Without that all I have are monetary luxuries and whims to live on.
But even then, though I wouldn't mind living like that if I had a partner so ideal, I would still want to be rich to make sure she and my children can live stress free.

[Anonymous No.16246514]

>>16230312
This, or Discourses of Epictetus

[Anonymous No.16246522]

>>16230312
Based and Aurelius-pilled.

[Anonymous No.16246599]

>>16246466
my children wouldn't deserve it either, what's the difference?
what do i give a shit when i'm dead?

[Anonymous No.16246654]

>>16246497
Lol keep dreaming, buddy

[Anonymous No.16246678]

>>16246654
okay

[Anonymous No.16246685]

>>16234007
cringe