/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16222750]

>disproves centuries of circle jerking philosophy by literally just walking
How can this tiny guy be so based

[Anonymous No.16222770]

>>16222750
What does this disprove exactly?

[Anonymous No.16222771]

hey I’m walking here HAHAHAHA omg this makes doing homework so much easier

[Anonymous No.16222780]

>>16222750
>The existence of organisms which are clearly intelligently designed and have a telos disproves God

[Anonymous No.16222824]

>>16222780
>1/trillion chance mutation can create a protein that's functional
>1/bazillion chance it replicates
>1/bubbadoppatillion chance it expresses itself as a new inheritable phenotype

[Anonymous No.16222841]

>>16222770
Xeno's paradox

[Anonymous No.16222842]

>>16222750
?????????
explain?

>>16222824
But it happened and here we are, it would be weird to live in an universe with few rare occurences. Case closed.

[Anonymous No.16222906]

>>16222750
cute
>_<

[Anonymous No.16222916]

>>16222841
I didn't know scientologists had a paradox.

[Anonymous No.16222925]

>>16222750
Where is he walking?? *_* Omg I'm sp proud of him! :3

[Anonymous No.16222944]

>>16222750
My ancestor :)

[Anonymous No.16222946]

>>16222750
>atheists believe this just randomly appeared out of rocks

[Anonymous No.16222967]

>>16222750
is this real?? wtf how did they teach that protein to walk like that??

[Anonymous No.16222971]

>>16222750
no one ever walked before?

[Anonymous No.16222973]

>>16222925

[Anonymous No.16222976]

>>16222946
i have trouble believing it too, cells are just so ridiculously complicated

[Anonymous No.16222984]

>>16222946
Building blocks of life have already been created in a lab using similar conditions present on earth prior to the first single celled organisms, just look it up

[Anonymous No.16223005]

>>16222946

[Anonymous No.16223014]

>>16222841
How? Doesn't seem like it would at all, it's still contained under the concepts of motion and space which Xeno's is based in.

[Anonymous No.16223027]

>>16222984
Yeah, but they're completely inert, dead, they don't self-replicate. Clearly something critical is still unknown.

[Anonymous No.16223216]

>>16223027
Nice. Stand up for God. Never cower or hide to make atheists feel comfortable.

[Anonymous No.16223267]

this is current year atheism vs god is so several years before current year

[Anonymous No.16223314]

>>16222842
>>16222946
How do you explain the billions upon billions of cubic kilometres of cold, lifeless space across the universe? Read about the anthropic principle: a universe that doesn't have the conditions for life to occur goes unbeheld, for complex life is needed to behold it. So the existence of a universe finely-tuned to the life it contains distorts the objective perspective.

[Anonymous No.16223318]

>>16223314
don't argue with retards

[Anonymous No.16223324]

>>16223216
I don't need your approval

[Anonymous No.16223330]

>>16222984
Building blocks...Ahh yes, you amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. But that’s all they are. Proteins aren’t just a collection of amino acids. They also have to be folded in a particular way for them to work in an organism, and that folding is accomplished by little bio machines that fold them in just the right way.

The analogy would be if you had a pile of nails, screws, and timbers on the ground, the building blocks of a house. But without something there to assemble it, all you’re ever gonna have is a pile of useless junk. Amino acids are the same way. They need something to combine them and then fold the protein so that it works. All life needs proteins, and all life needs proteins folded correctly at all times for life to not die.

[Anonymous No.16223338]

>>16223318

How does your kike asshole feel fag?

[Anonymous No.16223347]

>>16223330
Do you think proteins and amino acids only exist in the world in the form of complex life forms?

[Anonymous No.16223396]

>>16223347
Are you trying to imply that multicellular and single celled organisms don’t use the same proteins? Because I’ve got bad news for you.

[Anonymous No.16223404]

>>16223330
Nails and shit don't have ATP idiot

[Anonymous No.16223444]

>>16223404
And neither do amino acids. Amino acids need ATP to work, yes? Similarly, you need some kind of energy source to take all the nails and screws to form a house. That outside energy source is what builds the final product. So if you just have a pile of amino acids, you’re not gonna get anywhere fast.

[Anonymous No.16223454]

>>16223396
No, sorry. Scratch the word 'complex' from my previous post. I'm implying that amino acids and proteins can exist without creating or facilitating life. So what is the intention behind those amino acids and proteins?

[Anonymous No.16223490]

>>16223454
And nails and screws can exist without being part of a house. But you don’t look at a pile of nails and wonder why they’re not part of a house, right? Amino acids and can combine to form proteins, because that’s all a protein is, a long chain of amino acids. But without it being folded correctly, it’s unusable for life. It’s like a bent nail or screw. Sure, they exist, but they’re not gonna be used to build a house with. You need straight nails and straight screws. Similarly, you need folded proteins for life to work.

[Anonymous No.16223508]

>>16222824
but the multiplicity of instances increases the probability by orders of magnitude.

[Anonymous No.16223521]

Is Parmenides worth reading?

[Anonymous No.16223576]

>>16222824
over a long anough timescale anything can happen.

also christmulignans deserve to be scalped and raped, in that order

[Anonymous No.16223596]

>>16223521
Like his fragmentary poem or the actual dialogue? Anyways the answer is both.

[Anonymous No.16223597]

>>16222780
Are you perhaps american?

[Anonymous No.16223621]

>>16222946
See
>>16223597
Also
>because its is designed in such a way GOD MUST HAVE DONE IT!
That is your logic, you braindead amerimutt. You moronic cunts do nothing but hinder science.

[Anonymous No.16223635]

>>16223621
Why are you obsessed with americans? They have the best scientific universities in the world too, you're not even correct about what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.16223650]

Why are you obsessed with americans? They have the best scientific universities in the world too, you're not even correct about what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.16223657]

>>16222946
Americans would really be surprised if they left their poorly educated burgerworld because people on the other side of the world don't really believe in any of the god nonsense like they do.

[Anonymous No.16223663]

>>16222946
bro just give it millions of years
like its totally possible to produce an operating jet plane by just producing tornadoes in a junk ward

[Anonymous No.16223677]

>>16223657
the majority of the world believes in god/gods

[Anonymous No.16223685]

>>16223657
sounds eurocentric m8

[Anonymous No.16223688]

>>16222946
>>16222976
>>16223005
>>16223621
>>16223314
>>16223657
>>16223663


>“The truth about the world, he said, is that anything is possible. Had you not seen it all from birth and thereby bled it of its strangeness it would appear to you for what it is, a hat trick in a medicine show, a fevered dream, a trance bepopulate with chimeras having neither analogue nor precedent, an itinerant carnival, a migratory tentshow whose ultimate destination after many a pitch in many a mudded field is unspeakable and calamitous beyond reckoning.

>The universe is no narrow thing and the order within it is not constrained by any latitude in its conception to repeat what exists in one part in any other part. Even in this world more things exist without our knowledge than with it and the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way. For existence has its own order and that no man's mind can compass, that mind itself being but a fact among others.”

[Anonymous No.16223693]

I think we can all agree the truth lies neither in absolute atheism nor belief in a magical sky daddy.

[Anonymous No.16223701]

>>16223693
>

[Anonymous No.16223729]

>>16223688
Is much of the book like this? I would read a whole book of this but when I tried to start it I got very bored with the story of the kid.

[Anonymous No.16223736]

>>16223729

just try it again in a couple of years

[Anonymous No.16223742]

>>16223736
A couple of years is not going to change the contents of the book, I take it from your not answering me that most of the book is not like that.

[Anonymous No.16223748]

>>16223742

correct, but it isn't the book that sucks, it is you that sucks. maybe the you two years from now will be able to handle it

[Anonymous No.16223756]

>>16223748
I didn't say the book sucked, I said that I found it boring, there is no need to be all upset about it, I just asked you a question. It's not a matter of handling it, it's not hard to read, I just don't care about the kid.

[Anonymous No.16223759]

>>16222946
God/κόσμος can be conceived without disgusting anthropological concepts like omnibenevolence. It's a noumenon, an unknown entity, and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>16223677
Only Poland and the Middle East does. Africa also fell from evangelicalism meme, but that's it.

[Anonymous No.16223769]

>>16222946
God/κόσμος can be conceived without disgusting anthropological concepts like omnibenevolence. It's a noumenon, an unknown entity, and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>16223677
Only Poland and the Middle East does. Africa also fell for the evangelicalism meme, but that's it.

[Anonymous No.16223775]

>>16223756
brainlets are not welcome on /lit/.
this is a place for the highest levels of intelectual discourse only

[Anonymous No.16223784]

>>16223769
why is poland such a joke country. who even thought that letting it exist was a good idea

[Anonymous No.16223785]

>>16223677
>the majority of the world believes in god/gods
Try to leave your Hamburger-land and you will see its not the case and not in such a severe sense as you mutts do.

[Anonymous No.16223792]

>>16223677
Try leaving your hamburgerland once in your life and you will see this is not the case and also if they do, its not as severe like you mutts do. But keep coping

[Anonymous No.16223811]

>>16223677
a huge portion of the world also smokes cigarettes but nice logic there brick out.

[Anonymous No.16223817]

>>16223785
There are 2.3 billion Christians, 1.8 billion Muslims, 1.25 billion Hindus, they all believe in God or gods. There are also some Buddhists who believe in gods. Atheists are something like 10% of the world's population, I think 'irreligious' people might be another 10%, in any case a minority.

[Anonymous No.16223819]

>>16223490
>you don't look at a pile of nails and wonder why they're not part of a house, right?
No, of course not. But I also don't look at a pile of nails and assume their existence in that form must mean that someone somewhere intended for a house to be built.

[Anonymous No.16223822]

>>16223817
see
>>16223811

[Anonymous No.16223825]

>>16223811
The post I replied to said that Americans would be surprised by leaving their country because other people don't believe in gods, so I replied that the majority of the world in fact does. I think it's you that doesn't have the best grasp of logic.

[Anonymous No.16223831]

>>16223825
Oh look, it's another American that doesn't
know what logic is.

[Anonymous No.16223841]

>>16223825
>so I replied that the majority of the world in fact does
And he was merely posting how that means absolutely nothing. Why are you so flustered? Here's an idea maybe if you put your hands together and talk into them the janny might help you out

[Anonymous No.16223851]

/lit/ is better than this. /lit/ can be better than this. /lit/ SHALL be better than this thread.

[Anonymous No.16223855]

>>16223841
It means that the post I was replying to was wrong, which is why I posted. You can just admit you were wrong you know.

[Anonymous No.16223861]

>>16223855
Wrong about what exactly? Why are you so flustered over a post replying to you saying numbers like that mean nothing?

[Anonymous No.16223862]

>>16223819
>In that form
That is the key issue here. Whether you have a pile of nails or a pile or amino acids, neither would make you think that they lead to life, because there is no outside source to organize them. And yet, houses (i.e life) exist, so something had to have organized the building blocks in order for it to work as a cohesive whole.

[Anonymous No.16223863]

>>16223861
He was wrong saying most people don't believe in gods.

[Anonymous No.16223867]

>>16223855
Mate you didn't prove anyone wrong with your quick google search. Stop acting like you outwitted someone you absolute mong. Don't you have burgers to flip tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.16223869]

Let say the Big Bang theory is true, does this mean the Big Bang is god ? Like what is the definition of a god ?

[Anonymous No.16223871]

>>16223314
>universe finely-tuned to the life it contains
Just like a bowl that is finely crafted exactly to the dimensions of the water within it, right?

[Anonymous No.16223872]

>>16223867
I did prove him wrong since only about 10% of the world are atheist. He was just quite unambiguously wrong, you are embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.16223874]

>>16223863
most people don't its just you amerifarts but keep coping

[Anonymous No.16223877]

cease your hatred of the united states. you are speaking english on the most popular imageboard of the USA. you are a part of the american empire, a citizen to engage with the USA and be taxed like any other. instead, be grateful that america's might is so great that we can all play in this virtual coffeshop as equals, for without it you would surely lack the tiny bit of wisdom and wealth that you engage with right now. take your public transportation to the nearest McDonald's. dip your french fries in ketchup, bite into a Big Mac, and wash it down with a Coke at the same damn time. do it with pride

[Anonymous No.16223880]

>>16223874
see>>16223817

[Anonymous No.16223885]

>>16223871
Very good analogy.

[Anonymous No.16223886]

>>16223872
You didn't do anything but post something you quickly found on google. So stop acting like you outwitted someone also don't you have burgers to flip tomorrow?
>you are embarrassing yourself
How so? It literally says anonymoose, newfag.

[Anonymous No.16223892]

>>16223886
It is common knowledge that there are about that many members of the largest religions, you were simply wrong.

[Anonymous No.16223893]

>>16223880
Very witty google search there m80

[Anonymous No.16223898]

>>16223893
Do you disagree with those numbers? Do you have some source stating that the majority of the world are actually atheists?

[Anonymous No.16223899]

>>16223892
see
>>16223893

[Anonymous No.16223901]

>>16223877


USA
USA
USA
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[Anonymous No.16223906]

>>16223898
>Do you disagree with those numbers
If thats what you inferred from everything previously posted your cognitive abilities are clearly lacking and it would explain why you thought you outwitted someone by posting some google results lol

[Anonymous No.16223917]

>>16223906
Answer the question, do you disagree? Otherwise you were in fact wrong, most people do believe in god/gods.

[Anonymous No.16223928]

>>16223862
There's a logical leap in there. My point about saying that amino acids and proteins exist in certain forms that aren't part of life is because you were suggesting that the existence and form of the building blocks suggests that the complex final form required intention. This is where the house analogy loses its wheels, because I could say that you can't have a sandstone hoodoo without the particles of sand being arranged in a very specific way.
"When you have a pile of sand, or a beach, it wouldn't make you think that it would lead to hoodoos, because there is no outside source to organize the sand particles. And yet, hoodoos exist, so something had to have organized the particles of sand in order for the hoodoo to work as a cohesive whole."

[Anonymous No.16223929]

>Answer the question
Improve your reading comprehension and you will be able to answer that yourself.

>Otherwise you were in fact wrong, most people do believe in god/gods.

I also never said most people don't believe in gods lol. I wonder if you realize anonymous isn't a username

[Anonymous No.16223941]

Heh, get outwitted by my google search

[Anonymous No.16223944]

>>16223929
>because people on the other side of the world don't really believe in any of the god nonsense like they do.
This is the person who made the claim, which I responded to, he was wrong. Another poster then told me that it didn't matter if most people believed in god because most people smoked, implying that I had made an argument in favor of God existing because of the popularity of believing in him, when I had not done so. All I did was tell someone that they were wrong about people not believing in god.

[Anonymous No.16223949]

>>16222946
Bruv. Small incremental progress over BILLION of years.

[Anonymous No.16223950]

>>16223944
>implying that I had made an argument in favor of God existing
That wasn't implied you just inferred it. Why are you so flustered anon? Just take the L instead on insisting over and over again you aren't retarded

[Anonymous No.16223956]

>>16223949
I take issue with your use of the word "progress" here...it implies that there aren't many forces in the universe that don't lead to more life, but less.

[Anonymous No.16223962]

>>16223950
Why else would he reply to me making a statement that most people believe in gods with a post about most people smoking? It was a complete non-sequitur.

[Anonymous No.16223963]

>>16223928
>sandstone hoodoo
Except that that is just an inert pile of sand. There’s no complexity, no obvious design. Just because amino acids and proteins exist that life doesn’t use is moot, because life doesn’t use those amino acids and proteins. Their existence has no bearing on the existence of life, so talking about them is beside the point when trying to determine how non-living molecules could transition to life-giving molecules. That doesn’t just happen on its own. There is no known process where non-life gives rise to life. A rock, or an insert pile of amino acids, will never produce anything that we would consider to be “alive”.

[Anonymous No.16223965]

>>16222967
>>16222750
In reality, the other foot just jiggles about in random directions until it finds a surface to latch onto. It also moves back and forth along the protein track because of this random-foot-jiggling-in-the-dark-until-it-lands-on-something nature, but eventually, most of them get to their intended destination.

[Anonymous No.16223966]

>>16223962
>Why else would he reply to me making a statement
Because they can?

[Anonymous No.16223976]

>>16223950
I think you're wrong, here. You assumed that because he disputed the belief in God assertion
Please reply to the below post and post a screen shot so we know it wasn't you who posted it.
>>16223874

[Anonymous No.16223977]

>>16223962
give it a rest sir and just take the fucking L for the love of god

[Anonymous No.16223979]

>>16223966
He said in that post that I had a poor grasp of logic, when all I had said was the true statement that most people believe in gods, correcting a post that said Americans would be surprised by the lack of belief elsewhere in the world. What was he referring to if not the mistaken assumption that i had made an ad populum argument?

[Anonymous No.16223999]

>>16223979
So what's your point here? I haven't seen someone so flustered before, so might I suggest putting your hands together and talking into them which may help calm you down.

[Anonymous No.16224001]

>>16223963
The hoodoo requires billions upon billions of discrete particles to come together to give it its form. What is your threshold for 'complexity'?
And why would a 'design' have to be obvious? Obvious to whom?

>their [amino acids and proteins] existence has no bearing on the existence of life.
>talking about them is besides the point when trying to determine how non-living molecules could transition to life-giving molecules. That just doesn't happen on its own.
If that's the case, were you the same anon who said that the proteins must be folded a certain, very specific way, to provide life? If so, are there such things as unfolded proteins that aren't used for the purposes of a living organism?

>there is no known process where non-life gives rise to life.
This is factually incorrect.
>a rock, or an inert pile of amino acids, will never produce anything that we would consider to be 'alive.'
How about an inert pile of folded proteins? Do those exist outside of life?
Also, this opens another door regarding why our definition of 'life' implies more meaning in the universe than non-life. What makes a tree more significant than a rock?

[Anonymous No.16224004]

>>16223999
I was just explaining to you why you were mistaken, your repeated suggestion that I'm flustered honestly seems a bit like projection.

[Anonymous No.16224008]

>>16224004
Mistaken about what? and projecting what? I'm not the one writing long winded replies.

[Anonymous No.16224015]

>>16224004
He's trolling you, dude. You can tell because he keeps using the douchey phrase: "Just take the L."

[Anonymous No.16224017]

>>16223999
check and based

[Anonymous No.16224030]

>>16224008
Wrong about the initial claim, and then also wrong about what you thought I was saying, and then wrong again denying your mistake. You've really just been one failure after another.

[Anonymous No.16224039]

>>16224030
>Wrong about the initial claim
About what claim?
> and then wrong again denying your mistake
What mistake? The only thing I did was put out your smug attitude over pasting a google search as if you outwitted someone. You do realize anonimoose isn't a username, right?

[Anonymous No.16224047]

>>16224001
If you can’t see the obvious complexity in a cell, then there’s really no point in taking this any further.

> This is factually incorrect.
Sure. Hit me up the next time a rock turns into a living cell. I’ll be waiting a long time for that call.

>What makes a tree more significant than a rock?
It’s alive. It can reproduce. A rock can’t do that. A rock will always be a rock. A tree grows over time, changes, and dies. Is that’s not significant in comparison to a dead rock, then I don’t know what is.

[Anonymous No.16224051]

>>16224039
Here is another of your mistakes, you think that providing information is an attempt at 'ouwitting' rather than just...providing information. You are really terrible at this

[Anonymous No.16224060]

>>16224015
No he is just trying to save face, he is even samefagging his posts

[Anonymous No.16224061]

>>16224051
You were clearly being smug over a google search and you can deny this all you wan't but you aren't fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.16224064]

>>16224060
>save face
tourist.

[Anonymous No.16224071]

>>16224061
Perhaps you are insecure and you read smugness into people just defending their point in an argument. He said I was wrong, so I posted the information showing I was right.

[Anonymous No.16224077]

>>16224071
No you were being smug over a google search and then got btfo'd

[Anonymous No.16224084]

>>16223663
It's in sets, it's not possible for rocks smashing together to produce a plane. The set goes all the way back to god

[Anonymous No.16224085]

>>16224077
>got btfo'd
I seem to recall you being wrong about literally every point in the entire exchange. You just changed the subject when I forced you to admit you'd incorrectly assumed I was making an ad populum argument, and I am still right about the initial point of contention about religiosity. You I guess can imagine that I was smug if that makes you feel better.

[Anonymous No.16224086]

>>16224060
>No he is just trying to save face
What ever will they do their
username anonymous has been completely tarnished oh noesssss

[Anonymous No.16224093]

>>16224085
>I seem to recall you being wrong about literally every point in the entire exchange
You denying the fact your minimum wage ass wasn't acting smug over a google search doesn't make it not true.

[Anonymous No.16224096]

>>16224086
well it's clearly upsetting you lol

[Anonymous No.16224106]

>>16224093
Have fun fantasizing about my emotional state, you still were wrong about everything lel.

[Anonymous No.16224108]

>>16224096
>u mad
Do americans really?