/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16214998]

Why is Donna Tartt so perfect?

[Anonymous No.16215003]

>>16214998
tfw no white southerner catholic fujoshi gf.

[Anonymous No.16215024]

>>16215003
>catholic
yuck
dropped.

[Anonymous No.16215036]

[Anonymous No.16215073]

>>16214998
meh
4/10

[Anonymous No.16215084]

Heroine and heretic.

[Anonymous No.16215110]

>>16214998

Ah my little tartelette au beurre

[Anonymous No.16215120]

>>16215110
Is she that sweet?

[Anonymous No.16215127]

>>16215120

Oh my yes

[Anonymous No.16215164]

i know nothing about her.

she looks gay; probably a great writer.
if i were a woman i'd be gay too. respect.

[Anonymous No.16215169]

>>16215127
Just the right amount of crunchy too.

[Anonymous No.16215189]

>>16215164
>Tartt is notoriously private, and does not give talks at book festivals... She is a petite woman with a distinct sense of style in her appearance.
Yep, definitely a lesbian.

[Anonymous No.16215195]

>>16215110
That looks so fucking good.

[Anonymous No.16215220]

>>16214998
Is The Secret History a meme or actually decent?

[Anonymous No.16215234]

>>16215220
The way you frame the question tells me you are going to like it

[Anonymous No.16215238]

>>16215220
I'm reading it rn, will get back to you in a few months or years depending on when I get medicated enough to read more than just a line or two a day.

[Anonymous No.16215241]

>>16215234
kek thanks I guess. I literally know nothing about it, just keep seeing it popping up because I was reading about "Dark Academia" recently

[Anonymous No.16215253]

>>16215220
It’s fun. She’s got style and an appealing aesthetic. It’s not great literature but it’s got its appeal

[Anonymous No.16215254]

>>16215073
give her a tweed jacket and she looks like she's cosplaying Jarvis Cocker

[Anonymous No.16215290]

>>16214998
what are her feet like?

[Anonymous No.16215334]

>>16215290

Be careful

[Anonymous No.16215338]

>Well, anon, did you read your hundred pages of Homer today?

[Anonymous No.16216449]

>>16214998
do you think her cunt tastes... tart?

[Anonymous No.16216663]

>>16214998
I get the impression that she's deeply asexual. No evidence to back this up, just a vibe she puts off. Her posture is often a little guarded, and her attire is typically androgynous to slightly masculine.
Might be perfect for you if you're also asexual.

[Anonymous No.16216889]

>>16215220
It's considered the world's comfiest book on /lit/ for a reason, read it nigger.

[Anonymous No.16216913]

>>16215036
She looks like Charls from MDE

[Anonymous No.16217039]

>>16216663
She might be a lesbian

[Anonymous No.16217043]

Her best book is The Little Friend.

[Anonymous No.16217131]

>>16215220
it's not deep or anything but it's a joy to read. i mentioned it off-hand a couple years ago to a friend of mine and this year he told me he bought it on my recommendation and loved it. it reminds me of a well-written anime, not because it shares stylistic tropes but just the feeling of experiencing it.

>>16216663
she is volcel.

[Anonymous No.16217365]

>>16216663
in other words she was raped as a kid?

[Anonymous No.16217379]

>>16215220
it pisses off chomskyfags because it proves that learning ancient languages can change your mindset / mental outlook.

[Anonymous No.16217457]

>>16216889
last time i asked about it you all said it was garbage

[Anonymous No.16217481]

>>16217457
Yes, everyone here has the exact same tastes and preferences. No room for nonconformity.

[Anonymous No.16217580]

>>16217457
it is. but also>>16217481

[Anonymous No.16218578]

made this, because I often see people asking for other campus novels here. I'll drop it here instead of making a new thread.

[Anonymous No.16219487]

>>16218578
good stuff, anon

[Anonymous No.16219515]

>>16217379
the book was exactly about what Chomsky said though? The point of the characters is that the texts they read were merely flavor to their darker desires. I mean holy shit, the book starts off with that Nietzsche quote about how we'll never truly understand the greek mindset.

[Anonymous No.16219537]

>>16216663
She's probably lesbian. Most of my friends are and that's the way they act. If you're not interested in men being that way will avoid attracting unwanted attention.

[Anonymous No.16219545]

>>16219515
in fact the entire morality of the story can be seen in Bunny's murder. He was intellectual, had versatile musical interests and its revealed later on that he actually enjoyed socialising with people outside the inner circle. The reader is slowly tricked into rationalising his murder similar to how Henry manipulates others. We're meant to hate him for his mockery of Charles and Carm's romance, Francis' homosexuality, Henry's stoicism. But the fact of the matter is he holds a greater sense of morality than all of them, and purely for sympathetic reasons, we're meant to advocate his death. Bunny is, in the context of the secret history, the evidence that one does not need to read the classics to become a virtuous person. He is the death of politic incorrectness.

[Anonymous No.16219564]

>>16218578
Thanks anon, good chart.

[Anonymous No.16219990]

>>16215036
>"Tartt: Mastered Greek and English literature and doesn't care who knows it"
>writes a bestselling novel about students of English, Greek, and Latin literature with bits of original ancient phrases and people small-talking in Athenian Koine Greek like they are fucking Thrasymachos
what a retarded caption

[Anonymous No.16220198]

My literary dream is to trap myself inside a groundhog day inspired loop that takes place in New York on the day Charlie Rose interviewed Donna Tartt. And, yes, Donna would be the Andie Macdowell. Just imagine tracking her down in the city (that alone would take up the first week), then having eternity to fall in love with her again and again, each day, beginning at 8:3 0am when you meet her in the green room or lobby or wherever and have the perfect compliment or snide remark (after years of practice), and you capture her attention immediately. Then it's off to lunch. Donna agrees to meet you in a highlife café or a jew deli or some such place in Manhattan. The conversation goes flawlessly and, despite the fact you've been repeating the same words for years upon years now, her laughter and smile have you thinking anew, "Am I really this lucky?" Together you and Donna spend the day visiting eclectic book shops and libraries and talking with each other about Homer, (whom by this point you've been studying for years), and Donna expresses how really "gobsmacked" she feels at whom she's chanced at meeting. As is neccessary, the day ends, dwindles down -- but not before you and Donna skate the ice at 30 rock! Donna can't believe how "slick" a skater you are considering where you grew up, but really it's "nothing to write home about," you answer with a dashing laugh. And then comes the best part. The proverbial cherry on top. You fall asleep together, lovingly, warmly -- all but assured the best day of your life is fated not to end, but to repeat itself, forever.

[Anonymous No.16220203]

all the kids bullied her saying Donna Tartt was a tart.

[Anonymous No.16220215]

>>16220203
Very rude.

[Anonymous No.16220362]

>>16220198
Damn nigga your life sounds sad as hell

[Anonymous No.16220385]

>>16215003
southern white girls are the biggest nigger dick suckers on the planet.

>t. dated a redneck dyke that came from a racist family

literally had everything going against me but my bbc prevailed and fucked the shit out of her

[Anonymous No.16220400]

>>16220385
Why are Asian men like this

[Anonymous No.16220434]

>>16220198
She's a terrible writer but this is a wonderful fantasy.

[Anonymous No.16220436]

>>16218578
>no the history man
>no the underachiever's diary
fucking kill yourself

>>16220400
small dicks, can't win street fights

[Anonymous No.16220453]

>>16220198

I...I get lost in her eyes. Is this normal?

[Anonymous No.16220462]

>>16220453
Yes, very normal.

[Anonymous No.16220471]

>>16220385
go away cheng

[Anonymous No.16220536]

>>16215110

Are butter tarts supposed to be that liquidy?

[Anonymous No.16220578]

>>16220536

>There is considerable debate about whether the filling in a butter tart should be runny or firm. Preferences vary, especially geographically.

[Anonymous No.16220597]

>>16220578

Yikes. Personally I"m on the firm side. Runny tarts are just fucking messy.

[Anonymous No.16220631]

>>16220597

As a French Canadian from Northern Ontario, I agree.

[Anonymous No.16220879]

>>16214998
She’s HOTitstic!!!

[Anonymous No.16221078]

>>16216913

Sometimes i do get somber, sometimes the past irks me some...

[Anonymous No.16221171]

>>16217379
>>16219515

[Anonymous No.16221172]

>>16220436
>>no the history man
>>no the underachiever's diary
I’ll add those on my next edit anon, thanks

[Anonymous No.16221598]

>>16219537
it's a shittest anon
lesbians want the man that will "break through" so to speak

[Anonymous No.16221765]

>>16217039
She's a serious Catholic. Interviews about it out there

[Anonymous No.16221778]

>greek/english student writes book about the dramatised life of greek/english students
Sounds very incestuous.

[Anonymous No.16221960]

>>16221765

Can we imagine tumescent nuns for consorts then?

[Anonymous No.16221963]

>>16221960
Hey. Hey, retard. *slaps you around a little* Shut up, alright?

[Anonymous No.16222043]

>>16221960
Went to a Halloween party with a girl dressed up as one once.

[Anonymous No.16222156]

>>16220198
I hope I will have a vivid dream about this tonight.

[Anonymous No.16222209]

Have sexts, incels

[Anonymous No.16222222]

Have sexts, incels

[Anonymous No.16222231]

>>16222222

[Anonymous No.16222238]

>>16222222
My fucking God

[Anonymous No.16222247]

>>16222222

[Anonymous No.16222248]

>>16221171
t. dishonest narrator

[Anonymous No.16222265]

>>16222222
what the fug

[Anonymous No.16222269]

>>16222222

witnessed. Still not gonna have sex though, and you can't make me

[Anonymous No.16222294]

>>16222248
>Tormented and no longer satisfied with merely rationalizing his complicity in the murder, the narrator sets about revising all of history, starting with the Greeks
>Which makes TSH Papen's manifesto
POST
MODERN
MASTERPIECE

[Anonymous No.16222299]

>>16220198
>You fall asleep together, lovingly, warmly -- all but assured the best day of your life is fated not to end, but to repeat itself, forever.
That's not how it works. Once you've had that day, you go back to normal timeline and the day that dawns tomorrow will be tomorrow and not today again.

[Anonymous No.16222380]

>>16216913
Charls is cuter

[Anonymous No.16222425]

>>16222222
In awe

[Anonymous No.16222439]

>>16222294
explain

[Anonymous No.16222475]

>>16222439
TSH is told as if written by Papen's hand, years after the events. It's not a stretch to interpret this as him being eaten up by guilt, and setting out to both come clean and defend himself. This project overwhelms him, and soon he is revising the entire chain of events all the way back to antiquity.

[Anonymous No.16222496]

>>16222475
I think if anything, Tartt was trying to define the true concept of a romantic, and in turn, how understanding the greeks only goes so far as to how the reader has inerpreted them. Especially with the over admiration the group have for Dionysus of all gods (Believed to be Yahweh)

[Anonymous No.16222642]

>>16222496
I don't literally think DT wrote a secretly postmodern debut. It's heavily based in Brideshead themes, as Ellis' Rules was in Gatsby.

Your interpretation seems sound, however it's been over a decade since I finished it and I refuse to revisit it, it had too great of an impact to let its effect be shored up by a reread.

[Anonymous No.16222731]

>>16222642
I'm the same way, it's one of those books where every page has really stuck with me. It also reminded me often of moments in friendgroups where I played a bipartisan role like Richard. I've tried my hardest to appreciate greek classics, but it was only until reading TSH that I felt a contextualisation to it all.

I think the most beautiful thing about the book is the transformation of character that Bunny is experiencing, which Richard fails to observe. Whilst the group is so caught up in what it means to get away with murder, and the fervor of the bacchanal, he is having to watch the descent of his friends. I'm not sure if many others here felt it, but you can feel Bunny struggling by the end to keep smiling.

In a way, I think this is what made Henry truly hate Bunny by the end, was that Henry realised in becoming a murderer, he had surrendered his innocence and Bunny was given the most spiritual change, of knowing what it means to actually want to pray for a friend's wellbeing. Julian makes it very clear that he knows how Bunny has changed theologically in small segments.

It's allegorical for how the Romans only became the romans due to their ancestry of the Greeks, with Richard serving as the enlightened modernist who can only study the friendship like a historian studies ancient civilisation.

[Anonymous No.16222740]

>>16222222
fail

[Anonymous No.16222866]

>>16222222
>sexts
sextubs, rather. Amazing
>It's a sign!

[Anonymous No.16222882]

>>16222222
witnessed. put me in the screencap, inshallah.

[Anonymous No.16222885]

>16222222
cringe. absolute waste of digits.

[Anonymous No.16222922]

>>16222885
>missing the joke this completely

[Anonymous No.16223750]

>>16222731
Your sympathy for Bunny has me reconsidering my declaration, I was too immature on my first reading to not just follow Donna's surface level presentation of Richard's PoV. In fact, until your post I've only ever considered Bunny as an orbiter of the nucleus of (mostly) pure old-souls headed by Henry. I had dreams about those kids, man. May have to try it again this autumn

[Anonymous No.16224790]

>>16221765
can you post them? I rarely hear about pious women.

[Anonymous No.16224832]

>>16217131
This. It was a joy to read. I devoured it. However, the narrative always hints at this intellectual discourse and these ideas that consume the characters, or some ancient enacted ritual consisting of degenerate but transcendent experiences but only barely touches upon what they actually are. It was both frustrating and compelling in that way. I definitely wanted much more.

[Anonymous No.16224846]

>>16219545
Spoiler much.

[Anonymous No.16224855]

>>16222922
I got the joke. I just didn't think it was funny because I'm not a r*dditor.

[Anonymous No.16224904]

Which should I start with bros?

[Anonymous No.16224908]

>>16224790
>>16221765
Christians are sex addicts

[Anonymous No.16225141]

>>16222222

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[Anonymous No.16225845]

>>16222222
It's not yet Midday.
It would be improper to pray the office out of order.

[Anonymous No.16226081]

>>16222222

[Anonymous No.16226253]

>>16222222
mein gott

[Anonymous No.16226292]

>>16218578
Only about several brief sections of White Noise are devoted to Gladley as head of Hitler studies, even when including his learning German, as compared to whole chapters devoted to his kids acting autistic or his wife cucking him for Daylar.

[Anonymous No.16226423]

>>16218578
>Not adding the Ginger Man

Ew

[Anonymous No.16226514]

>>16222222
...

[Anonymous No.16226523]

Is the Secret History literally a slice of life anime for Classicsfags?

[Anonymous No.16227175]

>>16215220
>>>/lit/thread/S15129147#p15129506
>Through some bizarre inertia of events I ended up listening to someone read The Secret History on twitch for the past month and it confirmed my suspicion that fiction is moronic. Little to no description of Subjective states and extremely primitive ones at that, despite the first person narrative, diarrhetic abundance of irrelevant Phenomenal impressions. Why does it matter that it snowed when they killed Bunny? Why does it matter that it was overcast at the funeral? No one cares. Even Anglo Philosophy, i.e. shitty Phenomenology, is more humane.

[Anonymous No.16227779]

>>16220453
>>16220462

How do you think she comes?

[Anonymous No.16227793]

>>16227779

I imagine a lot of quivering is involved.

[Anonymous No.16228165]

Thought that was WhiteRose from Mr. Robot LMAO

[Anonymous No.16228197]

>>16226292
You read the book. Your reward is a coupon for one (1) Pizza Hut Personal Pan Pizza, valid at all participating locations and void where prohibited.

[Anonymous No.16228527]

>>16220436
>no the history man
I thought I was the only one! loved that book, felt very Amis, never seen it mentioned here or anywhere really