/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16213699]

>read the game
>still no idea how to get gf

[Anonymous No.16213709]

>>16213699
Maybe read the other book he wrote specifically addressing that topic.

[Anonymous No.16213712]

>>16213699
the """game""" doesn't work for shit, read this instead
https://www.amazon.com/Blackpill-Theory-incels-right-wrong/dp/1702383121

[Anonymous No.16213724]

>>16213712
wait that doesn't look like book that would help anyone

[Anonymous No.16213725]

>penetrating
Hehe

[Anonymous No.16213728]

yeah the game is a work of anthropological fieldwork, not actual pickup technique

read roosh or (if you want the bluepilled, palatable version) mark manson's models

[Anonymous No.16213733]

>>16213699
That's because the book is about how to minimize your investment in laying bar skanks, while maximizing return. Take it from someone who studied game in college more than any course I took.

[Anonymous No.16213735]

>>16213724
it helps in the sense that it exposes the true nature of women and makes you stop deluding yourself with memes like "ascending" and "making it"

[Anonymous No.16213753]

>he actually wants a gf
cringe

[Anonymous No.16213760]

>>16213709
which one is that?

[Anonymous No.16213768]

Why would you ever want to become a pickup artist? You will just exclusively get vapid whores that are probably only good for sex, unless that's all you care about when it comes to relationships.

[Anonymous No.16213769]

>>16213753
have sex

[Anonymous No.16213796]

>>16213768
>Why would you ever want to become a pickup artist?
I don't want to become one but at least these assholes seem to have some idea how to meet girls.

[Anonymous No.16213823]

Many such cases

[Anonymous No.16213834]

>>16213699
He wrote that whole book then still got dumped by his Amazonian girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.16213863]

>>16213760
i think he means rules of the game but i think that might be a crappy cash-in
if you wanna read pua, better to read an actually good pua book

[Anonymous No.16213899]

>>16213863
well what is "actually good pua book"?

[Anonymous No.16213912]

This whole subculture, which is now essentially over, was really depressing to watch. Ever since the 60s it's like men and women have been one-upping each other for superficiality in romance.

[Anonymous No.16213914]

Book of Pook is all you need desu

[Anonymous No.16213920]

>>16213912
what happened with all these gurus?

I remember years ago reading this shit. cringy as f.

[Anonymous No.16213964]

>>16213920
Most of them pivoted to more general self-help, motivational, "spiritual" and "mindfulness" stuff.

[Anonymous No.16213974]

>>16213964
I remember one of them going to jail for shooting a girl in the face.

crazy world.

[Anonymous No.16213996]

>>16213974
Too bad he didn't have a more literary career. It could have helped!

[Anonymous No.16214000]

>>16213699
do not believe that shit.
You want a girlfriend? Interact with women and treat them like people.
You want a sexy fucktoy? Be rich and sexy.

[Anonymous No.16214008]

>>16214000
well that didn't help at all

[Anonymous No.16214041]

>>16214008
sorry

[Anonymous No.16214068]

>Why yes I read the Book of Mormon and possess a harem, how did you know?

[Anonymous No.16214101]

>>16213699
bee urself

[Anonymous No.16214125]

>>16214101
never got into situation were I could be myself to woman

[Anonymous No.16214130]

>>16214000
Basically this.

>>16214008
You honestly sound like a faggot. Every reply makes it blatantly obvious your father was never around or he was very weak. I assume you also support BLM and watch every episode of Rick and Morty.
That said, even if you do interact with women, they probably wouldn't respond positively to you, maybe besides girls whom have few other options.
Honestly better off forgetting about such childish pursuits and chase something greater. Western girls have become a meme, a depreciating liability, and will not bring authentic happiness.
But if you accept you're an idiot who's life is of little value, then sure prioritize a "gf" -- looksmax, practice social skils, and talk to a lot of girls. That's literally it. Even ugly people succeed with this. Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.16214157]

That's life (that's life), that's what all the people say
You're ridin' high in April, shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune
When I'm back on top, back on top in JuneI said that's life (that's life), and as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a dream
But I don't let it, let it get me down
'cause this fine old world, it keeps spinnin' aroundI've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king
I've been up and down and over and out and I know one thing
Each time I find myself flat on my face
I pick myself up and get back in the race
That's life (that's life), I tell you I can't deny it
I thought of quitting, baby, but my heart just ain't gonna buy it
And if I didn't think it was worth one single try
I'd jump right on a big bird and then I'd flyI've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king
I've been up and down and over and out and I know one thing
Each time I find myself layin' flat on my face
I just pick myself up and get back in the race
That's life (that's life), that's life and I can't deny it
Many times I thought of cuttin' out but my heart won't buy it
But if there's nothin' shakin' come this here July
I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball a-and die

[Anonymous No.16214174]

try this book instead

[Anonymous No.16214182]

>>16213728
Both of those are onions. The best PUA was RSD before they deleted their shit. We still have Todd Valentine.

[Anonymous No.16214187]

>>16213735
Bullshit

Never take the black pill

[Anonymous No.16214224]

>>16214182
Yo, what happened to RSD? Just looked it up and it looks like at least a few have personal channels now

[Anonymous No.16214235]

>>16213699
Checked. Number one the PUA/Mistery wave is old as fuck, in the book it literally says that he "picked up" Britney when she was on her prime. Number two the game is just Mistery method 2.0, read that was that is better.
Anyway picking up girls is cringe, how can you respect women falling for monkey tricks? Do you have urges and don't have morals? Hire a hooker.
If you really want intimacy and you have moral just be interested in women and what they do (plenty of /lit/ women) and stop putting them on a pedistal.
The pick up scene is just a bunch of shallow men-children who try to sell you the "fact" that picking up girls is "cool", maybe in our shallow consoomistic society, where even sex and intimacy is something you have to consoom.

[Anonymous No.16214243]

>>16213769
Haha got em

[Anonymous No.16214251]

>>16214224
Political correctness happened

[Anonymous No.16214256]

>>16214235
>just be interested in women and what they do
That is what I have been doing but I feel after all these years it is not enough.

[Anonymous No.16214270]

>>16214251
Aside from the stuff involving Julien they were supposed to be the PC gurus, though. There were videos with feminists who checked them out and approved them

[Anonymous No.16214273]

>>16214256
They don't tell you the other side of the story which is setting boundaries, making your desires, known, etc. Not just adapting to her whims, which is a quick path to being tossed away like an old bra.

[Anonymous No.16214291]

The O.G. pua.

his bio is long as boring tho.

[Anonymous No.16214560]

I'm kind of nostalgic about this stuff now because it reminds me of quainter times back in the 2000's when this is what young guys were pre occupied with rather than what's going on now.
I'm also from Toronto which seemed to be a hub for this subculture. We even had a T.V. gameshow about it called Keys To The V.I.P. I heard that Toronto became the centre of it because of how terrible and atomized the social relationship between men and women, and anyone for that matter, is over here.

[Anonymous No.16214572]

>>16214008
how come?
it's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.16214591]

>>16214572
>Interact with women and treat them like people.
It's not hard, it is normal behavior.
It does not lead to anything.

[Anonymous No.16214617]

>>16214591
if it doesn't lead to anything, then either you weren't compatible, or you didn't even try.

[Anonymous No.16214623]

>>16214560
It was a time where young men were trying to reclaim their masculinity, but social justice and similar movements denied them, decried them as misogynists and the like.

Now they have bitter, blackpilled incels who have no hope for anything, and only want to lose themselves in destruction.

[Anonymous No.16214626]

>>16214560

Its insane Keys to the VIP was a real show in 2020

[Anonymous No.16214629]

>>16214617
>Interact with women and treat them like people
>didn't even try.
To me it seems you have really messed up way of treating woman like people.

[Anonymous No.16214748]

>>16214187
cope and bluepilled

[Anonymous No.16214753]

>>16213699
all these responses and nobody's pointed out yet that it's actually just an autobiography

[Anonymous No.16214766]

>>16213912
it's still impressive when you consider the absolute level of fury PUAs created just by existing. the idea of men trying to tweak their performance on the sexual market is apparently completely anathema

[Anonymous No.16214786]

>>16214766
Because it means women no longer getting treated like perfect little princesses that can do no wrong, which is how most of them see themselves by default.

[Anonymous No.16214796]

>>16214766
It definitely changed the culture. Maybe not in a good way but I think it was inevitable given what dating has morphed into over time. I think a big part of it eventually dissolving was that its ideas spread out to normies. You can talk about 1-10s, cold approaches, negging, most people these days who are dating-age will know what you're talking about. So really there wasn't much left. Also, tinder etc helped put it in the grave, as girls like to to vet a profile before having a conversation, which makes a lot of pua stuff seem way too on the nose.

[Anonymous No.16214828]

>>16214626
Zoomers react to it the way liberals react to watching 1930's minstrel acts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWACRX13HIs

[Anonymous No.16214832]

>>16214796
i always thought it was interesting how it got the reputation for being a series of mind control tricks when if you read the actual PUA guides even they say it's not magic and you can't win them all. mystery method at it's core is just a structural approach to the stages of intimacy building that any relationship goes through laid out for dudes who are poorly socialized or just way too in their heads about it. the message in the end was still that you can only be yourself because that's what she'll be attracted too, here's how to buff off some of your rough edges and a few tricks to emphasize your good points. which in theory you'd want every man to know. funny how typing it out like that really does make the PUA moment sound like it touched a deep desire in contemporary young man to have a code of virtue. the lack of one has ruined both men and women, not hard to look around and see wreckage

[Anonymous No.16214865]

>>16214766
to be fair, most writers weren't neil strauss. most pua writers were closer to Roosh V. a quick glance at his book "bang" reveals that the man is wholly uninterested in sex, but rather feels the need to validate himself – to feel like a man – by acquiring "notches on his belt."

his philosophy, and that of most pua, was not one of "here are some tips to help you with girls," but rather openly a philosophy of "girls are sluts and here's how you get the slut to follow you home."

"why would i want the slut to follow me home?"
"because then she'll fuck you and you get to add a notch to your belt you can congratulate yourself over."

[Anonymous No.16214904]

>>16214865
this was actually the the thrust of strauss' book, though. in the end all the guys are messes because they only spent time chasing tail and never took a hard look at why they were compelled to do so in the first place. in PUA terms, they remained AFCs on the inside

[Anonymous No.16214910]

>>16213699
Have you actually tried getting outside your house and putting yourself in social situations?

[Anonymous No.16214922]

>>16213834
he was constantly cheating on her

[Anonymous No.16214940]

>>16214910
I go to bar with my friends every Friday

[Anonymous No.16214976]

>>16214832
Yeah, but there was a little more to it than that which rubbed people the wrong way. The aspects like "in-field footage" were creepy enough to be seen as borderline sexual assault in today's atmosphere, and as >>16214865 mentioned there was a casual misogyny to a lot of it, I mean nothing extreme compared to what we read and post here on chans, but just a sort of blunt objectification of women that definitely alienates more conscientious people. In the latter stages of the whole thing, when RSD was rebranding itself as holistic health and social gurus, they tried hard to jettison those aspects. Others like Heartiste leaned into it and became explicitly political, and got wiped off the internet map as a result. And then there's the Roosh faction rebranding as born-again Orthodox christians seeking tradwifes who don't actually seem to exist. Would be interesting to see someone compile a history of this subculture in a book or something

[Anonymous No.16215033]

>>16214832
this makes it sound like pua is the equivalent of the guide lines on how to perform well in a job interview

[Anonymous No.16215059]

>>16214940
Do you approach groups of people trying routines while actively ignoring women and neging the one that you like?

[Anonymous No.16215080]

>>16215059
>Do you approach groups of people
Nah we mostly just hang out within our group.
Sometimes somebody who knows somebody causes our group to merge with some other group.
Sometimes some total strangers join us.
If there are women they are already in relationship.

[Anonymous No.16215124]

>>16215080
so you aren't applying any of the strategies used in the book?
i bet you are also the silent one of the group

[Anonymous No.16215126]

Never understood this PUA shit. Like, all you have to do is be at place where women are (work, hobbies, uni, school, party, bar etc) and treat them like normal people. Even ugly retards get chicks, its not rocket science man.

[Anonymous No.16215140]

>>16215126
I think most people without severe autism understand that sexual frustration exists, with "solutions" being commodified.
Women have had their own incarnations with stuff like The Rules.

[Anonymous No.16215154]

>>16215126
Chads need to not apply

[Anonymous No.16215187]

>>16215140
Obviously it does exist, but my point is that its not because of lack of "game".
>>16215154
Im not chad at all, but being tall and big helps. Sometimes I think Im a fetish for certain women, usually the short and frail ones. But whatever, I suppose if this helps some people there c as nt be harm in it.

[Anonymous No.16215192]

>>16215126
>treat them like normal people
what does that mean?
Because you obviously don't punch one in the shoulder and call her a faggot

[Anonymous No.16215213]

>>16215187
>Im not chad at all
>Sometimes I think Im a fetish for certain women

[Anonymous No.16215217]

>>16215192
Just talk to them normally. Make jokes like you would with a buddy, make her feel at ease, be nice (without being a cuck). I feel like a lot of nerds overthink social interactions involving women because of the sexual aspect.

[Anonymous No.16215259]

>>16215192
If you have a healthy relationship with your mother, shoot the shit like you would with her. I'm way funnier and carefree when I'm talking with my mother, because I have nothing to prove when I talk to her. Basically, you need to not be "trying" and "just b urself"

[Anonymous No.16215281]

>>16215126
>>16215187
>>16215217
IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD THE HIGHEST HOLY 2020 HE HATH WROUGHT AND THUS BROUGHT UNTO US:
"b urself lol"

[Anonymous No.16215285]

>>16215217
>a lot of nerds overthink social interactions involving women because of the sexual aspect.

Agreed. I'm not really comfortable making sexual jokes or upping the ante in terms of sexual tension though, so I tend to avoid it.

>>16215281
yeah because putting up a facade will only work for so long before it's obvious you aren't who you are portraying yourself as.

[Anonymous No.16215304]

>>16215285
>yeah because putting up a facade
You assume people are putting up a facade but I think the problem is that people never even get change to put up facade or "be themselves"

[Anonymous No.16215318]

>>16215304
I think people just need to be more honest with what they want out of their lives, and how they feel about things. I think you could replace "just be yourself" with "just be honest."

[Anonymous No.16215325]

>>16215217
Do you really speak and act in the same way with women as you do with men?
You unironically insult women and get into physical confrontation as a joke? Do invite them to play sports?

[Anonymous No.16215333]

>>16215259
>shoot the shit like you would with her
You treat women in the same way you treat your mother? Anon, i...

[Anonymous No.16215342]

>>16215318
>just be yourself
>just be honest
>just be real
>nobody likes people who are not real
wow you are really insightful person

[Anonymous No.16215353]

>>16215333
I just mean it in the unfiltered kind of way. There's still shit I'll tell my mom I won't tell any other girl on this planet. And then there's the shit I'll tell my dad about but would never tell my mother.

[Anonymous No.16215366]

>>16215318
>"just be honest."
"Hello, i saw your big tits from a distance this gave me half a boner even though i just fapped to hentai an hour ago, i'd like to insert my penis in your vagina. What actions could i perform for you to agree to do it?"

[Anonymous No.16215383]

>Walk into da club
>Im real and being myself
>Call women in short skirt a whore
>God I'm real
>See other women, dark hair. Exactly my type
>"I don't care about your personality or who you are but god I want to fuck a vagina right now"
>Get slapped
>Chad escorts me outside and "accidentally" elbows my nose
b urself.

[Anonymous No.16215386]

>>16215353
>I just mean it in the unfiltered kind of way
I'm not unfiltered with my parents, i have some level of consideration and respect. Even if i make jokes with them, they are always very polite, pc and lighthearted. It's not the same way i act with my friends which is the way "i really am".

[Anonymous No.16215415]

>>16215366
>Hello, i saw your big tits from a distance this gave me half a boner even though i just fapped to hentai an hour ago, i'd like to insert my penis in your vagina. What actions could i perform for you to agree to do it?
Might actually work.

[Anonymous No.16215429]

>>16215366
>Hello, i saw your big tits from a distance this gave me half a boner even though i just fapped to hentai an hour ago, i'd like to insert my penis in your vagina. What actions could i perform for you to agree to do it?
Or maybe not.

[Anonymous No.16215433]

>>16213699
reminder that PUA, redpill and all assorted shamanic rituals intended to woo femoids are a huge COPE and should be replaced with an actual scientific worldview that is blackpill

[Anonymous No.16215446]

>>16215433
>scientific
lol

[Anonymous No.16215500]

>>16215446
refute blackpill then, retard
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

[Anonymous No.16215515]

>>16215500
>reddit

[Anonymous No.16215528]

normies really are incapable of introspection, honesty and non anecdotal perspective
while at the same time advicing you to gain those qualities to attract mates

[Anonymous No.16215533]

>>16215515
you can always check the 2nd link, idiot. feel free to try and refute any point you'd like

[Anonymous No.16215537]

>>16213769
I only have sex with effeminate men.

[Anonymous No.16215550]

>>16215533
Not him but looks like the typical incel attitude "people that have sex are evil".

[Anonymous No.16215574]

>>16213699
>don't want/care for having a gf
>have one
>want to have a high paying job
>don't
fucking desire sensor

[Anonymous No.16215579]

>>16215550
>the chances of becoming a millionare if you were born poor are very low according to several studies
>WHATTTTT? YOU ARE JUST A LAZY PIECE OF SHIT WHO HATES RICH PEOPLE

[Anonymous No.16215591]

>>16215528
this x100000000000^100000000000^...
normies are fucking retarded.
we can't get gfs because we're autistic retards. Which means neither a normie or an autist could help us. Only and intelligent person like a sociopath or some shit could help us.
dear psycho fags, please help a nigga out.

[Anonymous No.16215595]

>>16215574
just to Google and give them firm handshake and don't forget to be yourself

[Anonymous No.16215601]

>>16215579
poor simile.

[Anonymous No.16215612]

>>16213699
>still no idea how to get a gf
well no shit. did you not read the cover?
you lost the game the moment you touched the book. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-game

[Anonymous No.16215621]

>>16214796
>1-10s
Every man since the dawn of time (save for the men of the Pirahã) has rated women on a scale from 1 to 10. This isn't a PUA innovation.

[Anonymous No.16215637]

>>16215550
thanks for proving you didn't even open the link, midwit
>>16215579
this, pretty much every single argument leveled against the shit state of the dating market in 2020 can be projected onto the actual market and it'll resemble pretty reasonable points progressives and social democrats have been raising concerning American laissez-faire capitalism however making the case for one will get you close to becoming a Democratic POTUS candidate and making the case for the other will result in contempt, ridicule and laughter. Funny how that works

[Anonymous No.16215643]

>>16215612
>linking to KYM
Yup, this is going to my cringe collection

[Anonymous No.16215651]

>>16213899
It doesn't matter anon. Even if you know what to do seeing a girl irl you'll still lock up and not do shit bc it's pretty socially weird to just talk to some woman that you happen to see. With that said, Models by Mark Manson is decent and doesn't have pickup bullshit in it. Neil's other book The Truth was p good and his journey to deal with fucking too many women and still feeling unfulfilled.

[Anonymous No.16215655]

>>16215126
Where do I meet women when Im 2 years out of college,, all my friends are single men, my job is all boomers, and my hobbies are solitary or masculine?

[Anonymous No.16215658]

>>16215537
based.

[Anonymous No.16215659]

>>16213699
Sorry, that's just the first part. Read the sequel about how it's all bullshit.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ICN31SA/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i4

[Anonymous No.16215665]

>>16215655
If you don't have matching hobbies or jobs, it's all pointless either way.

[Anonymous No.16215673]

>>16215601
economic inequality vs sexual inequality
poor people want to have better economic opportunities, ugly people want to have better dating opportunities, both are limited by factors outside their control, in both cases the discussion of inquality ends up with the accusation that the people who don't "win" have negative personality traits and are also accused of hating those who win or are better off then them
both deal with scams that try to exploit their unfulfilled wishes, rich quick schemes for the poor and pua for the ugly
both are told that they aren't "trying hard enough" to cover up systemic issues

[Anonymous No.16215678]

>>16214291
Chevalier de Segal’s memoirs boring? Filtered.

[Anonymous No.16215685]

>>16213699

[Anonymous No.16215690]

>>16215643
>Yup, this is going to my cringe collection
some people have never heard of the game. caring about cringe this much is pretty in itself cringe

[Anonymous No.16215692]

>>16213699
Game is fake news. You're just ugly. Everything is looks now. Here's now men are distributed:

8+/10 in looks: About 5% of guys, can get pussy without "self-improvement" in differing quantities

7-8/10: About 10% of guys. If you are here and do not get pussy it is theoretically possible that differing your practices will actually help you get pussy

<7/10: 85% of guys. It's over no matter what for the vast majority of this cohort, 6's and 6.5's might get lucky one or two times.

If you're less than 7/10 (really, really likely if you had to read a faggot PUA book for advice) you're finished. Just focus on other stuff. Rule of thumb: if you have to ask for formal advice for relationships (something normaloids literally just stumble into), it's game over.

[Anonymous No.16215697]

>>16215595
That's designed to get those companies a bunch of wide-eyed 18 year old prodigies they can mould into the perfect employees. Google and Apple employ some of the most brilliant software engineers in the world anyway, who're far smarter than the average college professor. It's a lot easier for them to create the kind of employees they want if they switch some of their engineers over to training the next generation of geniuses; they absorb a few extra costs, but it's worth it to get someone they don't have to waste just as much time re-training out of their crappy college education.

The real benefit, however, is that they'll be able to pay those home-grown engineers far less, because it'll be far harder for those kids to get another job without a college degree, plus they won't have the burden of college debt pushing them to push their employers for higher salaries.

In other words, they're not looking for losers who have already failed at life, they're looking for fresh meat they can exploit.

[Anonymous No.16215702]

>>16215692
based and blackpilled, it truly is ovER

[Anonymous No.16215704]

>>16215673
>both are limited by factors outside their control
Not really. There is an entire system build to keep poorfags poor. Nothing stops uggos from improving their bodies to be not offensively ugly, take care of hygiene and develop a personality.
>accusation that the people who don't "win" have negative personality traits
Someone that can be easily disproven online, when incels and pre-incels are offputting even just on text.

[Anonymous No.16215707]

>>16215651
>Even if you know what to do seeing a girl irl you'll still lock up and not do shit bc it's pretty socially weird to just talk to some woman that you happen to see
You just need to stop being a faggot and do a 100 approaches.

[Anonymous No.16215708]

>>16215621
Cool, dont care really

[Anonymous No.16215715]

>>16215665
But I dont like my job and wouldn't want a girl interested in this in the first place, and women generally dont go out and fish and surf on their own

[Anonymous No.16215717]

[Anonymous No.16215725]

>>16215655
You don't, it's 2020. The reason PUA faded into irrelevancy is because approach consisted in dating in bars but people don't go to bars anymore, it's all online dating.
But even this is a lie. I remember a study saying that only 10-15% of the population uses Tinder, and I have a certain hypothesis about how Tinder dating works:
Most women on Tinder don't actually use it for dating or even for one-night stands. They use just to get an ego boost from seeing all the messages thirsty guys send them. This is my major problem with the "Tinder experiments" performed and catalogued by the incels at incels wiki, is that the Chadfishers didn't set up a booty call at their apartment and tally up how many women actually showed up. I suspect that most women wouldn't even have shown up, and that Chad having "sex on tap" is a myth. This is somewhat corroborated by that often posted chart showing that virginity amongst singles under 30 is rising both for men AND women. Sure, women have an incentive to say that they are virgins but that's still not enough to make a statistical difference.
My hunch is: less and less people are dating, both men and women, and those that do do so through online dating, which isn't making people happy because it's very lacking.

[Anonymous No.16215735]

>>16215704
>improving their bodies
There are still very hard limits to what you can do even if we assume that you have unlimited money for plastic surgeries. Obviously your instant thought was that we are talking about a lazy fat guy who is actually tall and handsome and that the only thing that makes him ugly is the lack of basic hygiene, diet and hair cut.

[Anonymous No.16215743]

>>16215735
>inb4 this twerp posts something about "bone structure"
hit the gym twink

[Anonymous No.16215746]

>>16215655
I've been dealing with the same shit anon. I met a gf on tinder but that barley lasted 6 months. I've been constantly trying to figure it out but it's all the same advice. Intramural sports teams, trivia night, bookstores (whatisamazon.jpg), gallery/arts centers, bars, meet up groups, online, have friends introduce you, cooking classes (any classes really), and on and fucking on. I've done most of these things, and maybe it's the areas I've lived in, but fucking hell, none of this shit works. When Chad is a swipe away, why leave and do anything? This shit is impossible anon. I wish I had better answers. Like the only seeming possibility is hitting on these women when their at target or some shit and I don't think that'll go over very well given current year.

[Anonymous No.16215747]

>>16215704
>are offputting even just on text
>poor people are terrible, and i could post 100's of horrible comments made by them on the internet

[Anonymous No.16215751]

>>16215725
that graph is kinda depressing.

online dating is so un-erotic.

[Anonymous No.16215758]

>>16213699
Easiest path to get a gf is to get in good shape (muscular, abs, but no need to get too overboard), learn how to have a conversation and make the other person feel valuable, crack jokes etc, pretend you are interested in them genuinely, positivity and all that BS. Then use a dating app after you get good pictures. The girls you match with won’t even be that pretty compared to you if you’re in good shape sadly, but you just said you wanted to get a gf, not a hot gf. You should be able to do all this because tons of other guys I know and perhaps you know have. It’s not rocket science, it’s just going to take some effort if you aren’t already there. This is the absolute quickest route btw. Looks, making people comfy in conversations, then dating app.
The hard route is radically changing your personality. Become extremely successful in an area you like: a successful musician who is well known locally, a pro-gamer, a semi-pro athlete, a post-colonial poet, a rave shaman, an urban psychologist, a successful experimental food truck chef, depressed instagram fashion e-boy etc. Then you will be able to enter social scenes that you currently don’t have access to and people will naturally start to gravitate to you. This will take a lot more work of course.

[Anonymous No.16215759]

>>16215708
Cope, seethe, and/or dilate at your discretion.

[Anonymous No.16215761]

>>16215743
post body with timestamp

[Anonymous No.16215784]

>>16215715
Why would they need to surf on their own?

[Anonymous No.16215791]

>>16215725
cope

[Anonymous No.16215811]

>>16215791
>cope
The Tinder experiments have pretty obvious errors in their methodology nigga.

[Anonymous No.16215816]

>>16215735
>There are still very hard limits to what you can do
Which don't apply to most people since they aren't THAT ugly to begin with. Unless you're a huge fat fuck or an acid attack victim, it'd take between half a year and a year to look fuckable.

>>16215747
How is that even remotely similar? You could talk to a random poorfuck and will unlikely to get anything from them to think they are a horrible person. Talk to an incel for 10 minutes and you'd notice more redflags than Soviet Russia.

[Anonymous No.16215818]

>>16215725
most people meet potential partners thorough social circles or other less voluntary social aggregations (school, job) just in the same way you make friends

[Anonymous No.16215831]

>>16215818
did you even look at the graph in the post you're replying to?

[Anonymous No.16215849]

>>16215811
there is literally only ONE study that I know of which has virginity rates for both men and women increasing, on the other hand there is a ton of evidence to suggest that it's a predominantly male problem. if you ever Chadfished/Roastiefished on Tinder yourself all of your illusions would've been shattered (although I admit that our experiences might differ because I'm from Poland)

[Anonymous No.16215858]

>>16215725
True. Even Chads don't get pussy, and women don't even want to date Chads since they can just get all the emotional validation they want without having to do anything (Tinder, OnlyFans,really any online platform will do). They don't even need to date gigachad, why would they want to date you? It's even more over than many incels (ones who think that there are Chads that get pussy on tap) think.
A woman doesn't even have to meet a guy to get the craved attention anymore. That's how over it is. Think about it: you may think you are really smart, or really unique, or whatever, but how much does that matter? If you're autistic enough to be on 4chan, women can easily find a guy who is as or almost as smart, has a personality 10% more conducive to sociability, and (MOST IMORTANTLY), is just plain better looking than you are. They all carry a magic rock in their pocket that lets them talk to any guy on the world, and they don't even need sex from these guys. Why would they want to date YOU?

[Anonymous No.16215866]

>>16215816
>Which don't apply to most people since they aren't THAT ugly to begin with
But we were specifically talking about ugly not average looking people to begin with. Obesety is kinda voluntary unlike other features you are born with (well there are obviously environmental and genetic factors involved but to make it more simple).
>Talk to an incel for 10 minutes and you'd notice more redflags than Soviet Russia
Sounds anecdotal, but i'm curious tell me about those redflags lmao

[Anonymous No.16215868]

>>16213699
You get a gf by being good looking. You won't get one if you're ugly. Looks are all that matters. Nothing else does.

[Anonymous No.16215883]

[Anonymous No.16215892]

[Anonymous No.16215894]

>>16215831
yes online dating is at 39% and as i said the majority i.e. 61% still meets each other in the way that i mentioned.

[Anonymous No.16215895]

>>16215717
This is pure toxic. Omg.This site is full of ill people, I have to leave 4chan.

[Anonymous No.16215899]

>>16215849
I actually did some Chadfishing briefly in like 2017-18. The thing is none of these experiments tried to set up an actual, real life date, or even just telling them to come to their apartments for a one-night stand. My hypothesis is that these women primarily use Tinder to get an ego boost, and most matches never materialize into anything.
If the experiments had included a tally of how many women had shown up at "Chad's" apartment then it would have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the blackpill is correct but as it stands, I have my doubts.

[Anonymous No.16215902]

[Anonymous No.16215912]

>>16215759
Nah I'm good
>>16215761
I'm not the one with the insecurities between us

[Anonymous No.16215914]

[Anonymous No.16215923]

>>16215746
if don’t already have a big social circle then options are limited but i’m pretty sure if you are really dedicated to finding a GF the best option is to expand your social circle radically. You have to start befriending everyone that is your age, having conversations with random people, and specifically look for people that look highly socialized. This means talking to a lot of guys and girls you aren’t attracted to of course, so you start getting invited to more outings. If you aren’t social enough to do this then you have to work on that. Women are so much more likely to feel safe around somebody who is a friend of a friend vs some random guy approaching them, approaching random women is a very uncommon way of finding a partner, ESPECIALLY in the current culture.

If you don’t want to do all that and would prefer to go solo then be as physically attractive as you are able to be. Women’s taste are actually similar to men in that they will salivate over a guy if their body is right. Women tend to spend more time getting their body right than men do these days. Once your body is right, get your fashion on point. You need to become narcissistically dedicated to your looks, just like a woman is. Eyebrows, hair, skincare everything. Of course you still want a masculine presence, the key is to balance not trying hard enough with trying too hard. Then the last step is to not just look the part but he the part too. You have to be exciting, inspiring, deep (as far as she can tell), and really good at understanding people, finding out what they like and what they don’t like so you are able to keep things interesting yet not act too interested. You have to be different from everyone else yet in a way that is sexy and not autistic. You have to act like you have fucking figured out life, and the only way somebody can get in on your secret is by spending more time with you. You have to have such commanding and powerful energy that you can turn somebody’s horrible day to a genuinely good one. Then all you have to do is go to a concert or a club because there are always a fuck ton of single women there that are just waiting for somebody exciting to walk into their life. Are you really willing to go through all of that though?

[Anonymous No.16215927]

[Anonymous No.16215929]

>>16215816
Making yourself go from "unfuckable" to "fuckable" is a function of being 6.8/10 without effort to about 7.5/10 with effort and then still having to put in effort to get girls.

If your face is 3/10? Nah, it's finished. The only way you can tell somebody is an incel in real life? Simple: they're ugly, and because of the reverse-halo effect, everything they do (even in text) is interpreted as seedier, more off-putting, creepier, more angsty, etc.

Chadfishing experiments BTFO the "offputting conversationalist" theory of inceldom in a fucking hurry; you have Chadfishers landing ADDRESSES, let alone phone #s, of women even after claiming the most socially villified beliefs in the most intentionally off-putting way possible. JFL at the "off-putting conversationalist" theory of inceldom.

[Anonymous No.16215931]

Glad to see so many blackpilled /lit/izens, after all the Western Canon is inherently misogynistic and blackpilled (Madame Bovary, Lady Chatterley's Lover, My Twisted World to namedrop few classic titles)

[Anonymous No.16215934]

>>16215894
The met through friends option is around 20%, between online and bars that's about 66%

[Anonymous No.16215935]

>>16215927
>cunts are shallow

like you dont care about her looks.

[Anonymous No.16215940]

>>16215912
>I'm not the one with the insecurities between us
I don't have any insecurities besides economic difficulties. I just wanted to see if your looks reflect you intellectual capabilities.

[Anonymous No.16215952]

[Anonymous No.16215955]

>>16215931
You were probably joking but My Twisted World is literally, unironically one of the greatest books of all time.

[Anonymous No.16215970]

>>16215868
you are leaving out the obvious caveat which is if you are famous, extremely rich, or you are popular in some niche area with a lot of fans like a writer.

[Anonymous No.16215975]

Fin.

[Anonymous No.16215983]

>>16215866
>But we were specifically talking about ugly not average looking people to begin with.
Are we really though when most incels and people bitching about it aren't even that ugly? The subset of genuinely unfixably ugly people who bitch about dating just seems too small.
>Sounds anecdotal, but i'm curious tell me about those redflags lmao
Too bad there aren't any "find out whether the person you're chatting with is an incel or otherwise horrible" study.
The most obvious things if they aren't openly bitching about women already tends to be defeatism and putting women on pedestal. Often there is a lot obsession on their lack of relationships that normal single people don't have.

>>16215929
The chance anyone has a 3/10 face without acid burns, vicious animal attacks or their parents being related is pretty small.
>Simple: they're ugly,
Obviously but it's usually the "dude clearly doesn't respect his body or social norms ugly" not "one in a hundred genetic accident with a 3/10 face".
> everything they do (even in text)
But anon, I'm talking about being able to tell they are an incel through text, without ever seeing them.
>Chadfishing experiments BTFO the "offputting conversationalist" theory
How? All it proves that good lookiing people have an easier time getting attention. Big fucking shocker.
>JFL
The what?

[Anonymous No.16215995]

>>16215955
I was joking, it's definitely not something I'd reread and a person of Eliott's age could've written something better (DFW was few years short of finishing Infinite Jest at his age) but it still stands out if only for its importance as a manifesto of the Isla Vista shooter. I like his brutal honesty but he sometimes comes of as juvenile

[Anonymous No.16216003]

>>16215970
STFU you dumb retard. Looks are all that matter. If you look like a male model, then you'll easily get a gf and infinite pussy even if you're a child rapist. If you're ugly as sin, then you'll get shit.

[Anonymous No.16216007]

>>16215929
there is a difference between text conversations and irl conversations. some people have an undeniable presence irl that makes them attractive even though they look average. i know a guy who is quite a bit older than me but he was short, average looking, and dated tons of hot women without being rich. he just was genuinely a cool guy to be around. of course he wasn’t ugly, but if you are ugly then you can just be the ugly version of him who gets ugly girls. now can you become like this if you aren’t already is the real question. probably if you put enough effort in but very few would be willing.

[Anonymous No.16216016]

>>16216003
how did you dispute any of what i said? you think some ugly fuck like ed sheeran isn't getting pussy? just stop being a failure and become a famous musician bro, unless you don’t have what it takes

[Anonymous No.16216025]

>>16215895
>he can't stare into the abyss
Pathetic weakling.

[Anonymous No.16216032]

>>16216016
Yeah right, dumb retard.

[Anonymous No.16216034]

>>16216025
>implying it's a he

[Anonymous No.16216036]

>>16216003
maybe.

the same with girls right?

[Anonymous No.16216039]

>>16216036
No.

[Anonymous No.16216053]

>>16216039
that is true but only for hot women.

[Anonymous No.16216054]

>>16216016
>he literally said "just become a famous musician bro"

[Anonymous No.16216059]

>>16216039
>you can't even imagine being in such situation
Obviously not. Mysogynists lack basic empathy.

[Anonymous No.16216062]

>>16216053
Cope

[Anonymous No.16216065]

>>16216003
I hope you pathetic incels are underage. I'm a skinnyfat basedboy loser with manboobs and a dead-end job and I have sex with and without commitment. Maybe you would too if you didn't give up by default. Stop coping.

[Anonymous No.16216069]

>>16215983
100% genetic accidents and burns result in 0.5s and 1s, not 3s. Your scale is much stranger than the scales of most people. The vast majority of people I talk to would conceptualize the scale as (roughly, it varies somewhat) a normal distribution centered at 5 with an SD of about 1.5 or 2 points, but you are rating things so that the SD is like 0.5. The extremeness of your rating scale is demonstrated by the curves posted in >>16215952

Also, if all you read from Chadfish experiments is "good looking people have an easier time getting attention", then you're really badly missing the point about why Chadfish experiments BTFO your proposition.

If your position is that: building conversational rapport is important to getting sex, incels are bad at conversational rapport, therefore incels not getting sex may be caused by bad conversational rapport, then Chadfishes obviously demonstrate that the premise of building conversational rapport being important is totally false, hence demolishing your position.

>The what?
Just Fucking Lol

[Anonymous No.16216073]

>>16216054
>nothing to offer in the looks department
>nothing to offer in the talents department
Why would someone even hold your hand again?

[Anonymous No.16216089]

>>16216062
not at all. Im just saying ugly girls don't have it easy either.

[Anonymous No.16216096]

>>16216065
K, meanwhile incels compile tons of data showing that this post is, in some way or another, a lie. Either the sex is a lie or you are not as bad looking as you conceive yourself to be.

[Anonymous No.16216109]

>>16213920
Roosh V grew a beard and is now streaming hardcore Christian crap (the gays are going to hell kind)
Owen Cook aka Tyler Durden is doing new agey self-help crap
Dunno about the others a lot of them have completely disappeared from the internet, they probably made it and retired on a private island with a harem of young models.

[Anonymous No.16216130]

>>16216096
Tons of data? It's always the same fucking pictures from Amerocentric online dating apps. Stop being deluded and go outside. Fat, ugly, poor and short people have sex, not just with ugly women and not necessarily after putting in much effort. I have a girl who comes over to my dirty hoarder tier apartment just to fuck me because she's into pseudy basedboy losers

[Anonymous No.16216137]

>>16216032
I need for you to admit that if you were famous then there would at least be a single woman who would sleep with you. I don’t even disagree with what your posts are showing, but the idea that not having a GF is the route of your depression and dissatisfaction is a meme. Why are so many sex havers and famous people suicidal and depressed? Alternatively, why are there people who swear themselves to celibacy, something unnatural, yet aren’t suicidal or depressed. So I concede that not everyone gets to reproduce (unless they rape), this happens in the animal kingdom too, but how can you say this is the root of your suffering? So either become a rapist or accept your fate, why are you whining? Why do you care if others agree with you?

[Anonymous No.16216150]

>>16216130
>she's into pseudy basedboy losers

hot. let her slap you.

[Anonymous No.16216153]

>>16215033
it kind of is, just a really weird job where you get to see the interviewer naked if you do well

[Anonymous No.16216155]

>>16216073
>implying that becoming a famous musician has anything to do with talent
I play multiple instruments better than Ed Sheeran ever could and I'm a far better songwriter.
>inb4 pyw
Please, like I want anything I write to be associated with defending incels on 4chan.
Anyway, becoming a famous musician is decidedly different from being a good one. The former requires luck and connections, the latter practice and talent. At my university, the most hopeless, sex-starved guys were the Asian piano prodigies who could play every piece out of Chopin's oeuvre in their sleep flawlessly. The slayers were the frat bros who could barely string two words together. These are facts.

[Anonymous No.16216163]

>>16216137
>why are you whining? Why do you care if others agree with you?
He wants people to agree with him so he can justify not putting effort into attracting women to himself, just like every other incel NPC.

[Anonymous No.16216165]

>>16216069
>a normal distribution centered at 5 with an SD of about 1.5 or 2 points
Sure. But that usually includes haircut and facial hair because most people suck at overlooking it. Once you treat these as variables and not hard numbers because someone has an ugly neckbeard, it gets pretty hard to go below 4 just by genetics. Someone being a fat fuck isn't part of genetics.
>then you're really badly missing the point about why Chadfish experiments BTFO your proposition.
Explain it then.
>by the curves posted in >>16215952
Dating sites don't represent normal population and are flooded with below average men who take below average pictures.
>then Chadfishes obviously demonstrate that the premise of building conversational rapport being important is totally false, hence demolishing your position.
Not really. Good looking people build that rapport by being good looking. Someone who takes care of their appearance obviously respects themselves which makes it a bit more likely they will respect others. They are also likely to have a somewhat healthy lifestyle and give enough fucks about social norms to make it more likely they aren't some rapist or a creep and can hold a conversation.

[Anonymous No.16216173]

>>16215217
>I feel like a lot of nerds overthink social interactions involving women because of the sexual aspect.
they do, all the time, and this is why PUA was necessary in the first place

[Anonymous No.16216184]

>>16215983
>people bitching about it aren't even that ugly?
Most likely, though you have to keep in mind that women are more selective in terms of looks than men are if we exclude economic factors.
>The subset of genuinely unfixably ugly people who bitch about dating just seems too small.
Do you feel like they are overrepressented?
I don't really get this point.
>Often there is a lot obsession on their lack of relationships that normal single people don't have.
Well yeah sure, they are in a very different situation so it's reasonable to assume that they would feel differently about it than an average person who had previous relationships. I guess they should find better ways to "be themselves /be honest" like lying.

[Anonymous No.16216188]

Also being overlooked: Personality is not as mutable as you think it is.
Even if personality matters (it does only in a sliver of borderline cases), it is very difficult for a person to try to emulate a personality which they perceive to be more palatable for finding a girlfriend.
Personality traits tend to have a narrow sense heritability of about .4, and the rest (0.6) is variance that can be explained largely by non-controllable environmental factors, hence "environmentality" should not be confounded with "mutability".
To the extent that your personality is within your control in the first place, if you have a maladjusted personality, how likely is it that you will even be correct about the type of personality you need to adjust to, let alone actually achieving said personality? This is why the vast, vast majority of males with Asperger's syndrome that report wanting to be in a relationship can't get one: not only are there certain aspects of looks (facial structure, adiposity distribution, height, presence of gynecomastia, etc.) that are immutable, but it is also much more difficult than people think to mutate the brain to make it "fundamentally different" than patterns it was following before in aspects of personality.

[Anonymous No.16216189]

>>16216073
>implying Ed Sheeran is a talented musician
Not the guy you're responding too but how many Ed Sheerans do you think the music industry can handle? Yes, the vast majority of men are neither particularly good looking nor particularly talented and successful in anything, what the fuck are you going to do with an excess of what seems to be an ever increasing number of young men? I'm in a similar situation but my studies helps me cope then again how many incels have similar ambitions like myself? Love and relationships is literally all there is to life to an average man and modernity deprives him even of that basic need.

[Anonymous No.16216201]

As this thread keeps revealing, the answer to why any guy is an incel can be quickly discovered through a brief conversation about any topic.

[Anonymous No.16216202]

>>16216155
>I play multiple instruments better than Ed Sheeran ever could and I'm a far better songwriter.
And you couldn't at least get yt or soundcloud fame? Right. Maybe it's your voice then.
>The former requires luck and connections
It won't get you on Ed's level with out talent and practice.
>the most hopeless, sex-starved guys were the Asian piano prodigies who could play every piece out of Chopin's oeuvre in their sleep flawlessly
Almost like they focused too much on one thing to even get into dating and socializing.

[Anonymous No.16216209]

>>16215923
I think I need to work on both. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.16216218]

>>16216188
um... stop being such a nerd and maybe you will get laid

[Anonymous No.16216220]

>>16216165
>give enough fucks about social norms to make it more likely they aren't some rapist or a creep and can hold a conversation
K there's no evidence, no matter how strong, that would convince you to change your position. You will justify good looking people as necessarily having a good personality, no matter what.

[Anonymous No.16216221]

>>16216059
>mysogynists
based ESL retard

[Anonymous No.16216231]

>>16216189
>implying Ed Sheeran is a talented musician
Nigga wouldn't get Em features without talent. And wouldn't achieve the success levels he had while looking the way he did either. Some ugly talentless fuck could maybe luck themselves into a meme hit, not have a solid career.
>the vast majority of men are neither particularly good looking nor particularly talented and successful in anything
And they are likely to find a similarly mediocre partner eventually.

[Anonymous No.16216237]

>>16216201
the answer to why any guy is an incel is always: they didn't even try getting laid. you can contactfag your way to an irl date via /r9k/ or /soc/ without ever showing your face or leaving your comfort zone

[Anonymous No.16216241]

>>16216218
Begging the question

[Anonymous No.16216248]

>>16216220
>You will justify good looking people as necessarily having a good personalit
Well, it's more likely. A people tend to assume it generally too, hence they can get the benefit of doubt. Uggos need to build up a rapport to make the "I'll choke you with my dick" joke.

[Anonymous No.16216254]

>>16216189
why are you such a lonely faggot that thinks relationships are all there is to life. relationships suck man. now post a pic of your face in this thread for everyone to see so that once and for all we can tell you there is nothing wrong with your face and all the delusions that you got from the internet, 4chan, and society, exist nowhere else other than in your head.

[Anonymous No.16216257]

>>16216202
>Almost like they focused too much on one thing to even get into dating and socializing.
We go from "the reason incels can't get laid is because they don't have talent" to "the reason incels can't get laid is because they do have talent". So this is the power of normalfags...

[Anonymous No.16216265]

>>16216237
Yawn, another bald faced lie straight from the ass.

[Anonymous No.16216269]

>>16216165
>Someone who takes care of their appearance obviously respects themselves which makes it a bit more likely they will respect others
are you serious? the people who obsess over their looks are usually narcissistic assholes who only care about themselves
Are you a woman or do you have some cognitive difficulties?

[Anonymous No.16216272]

>>16216241
well i guess we have figured out that your personality is the issue here. since you have an autistic understanding of personality let me use a better word. YOU (You) are the reason you can’t get laid.

[Anonymous No.16216276]

>>16216265
I'm speaking from experience, loser. Keep coping.

[Anonymous No.16216285]

>>16216248
Okay, you concede that looks are already sufficient for building prior rapport that ugly people "need to develop". At least you're getting there. You're just one step away from realizing that an ugly guy cannot possibly develop the rapport necessary for an "I'll choke you with my dick" joke without rejection.

[Anonymous No.16216290]

>>16216237
there are almost no women on 4chan, 99% of people claiming to be female are trannies and i'm not gay

[Anonymous No.16216294]

LMAO this thread is absolutely fucking hilarious, for a board that prides itself for popularizing le funne Max "Spookbuster" Stirner you guys sure are spooked by the most sinister of spooks like "defend muh wahmen" and "muh just world". given the sheer weight of scientific evidence is on incels' side the overlap between /lit/ and /sci/ cannot be as big as was previously assumed
>inb4 have sex
8.5/10 Chad reporting

[Anonymous No.16216295]

>>16216257
More of "talent is good but you're not going to get laid while you practice piano by yourself, it usually requires talking to a second person"

[Anonymous No.16216301]

>>16216237
It's even more basic than that. They just have a shitty attitude, and nobody wants to be around them.

[Anonymous No.16216312]

>>16216290
There were plenty of women on 4chan before incels, autists and political fanatics scared them off. /lit/ itself had a large minority of female users once.

[Anonymous No.16216325]

>>16216312
this is an anonymous board.

[Anonymous No.16216327]

>>16216269
>the people who obsess over their looks are usually narcissistic assholes who only care about themselves
You don't need to obsess over your looks to look respectable.
>>16216285
>you concede that looks are already sufficient for building prior rapport that ugly people "need to develop".
If you follow the reply chain, you'd notice that I said it right away. Obviously looking good gets you the positive attention right away.
>You're just one step away from realizing that an ugly guy cannot possibly develop the rapport
And yet it happens all the fucking time. At least if we talk about the "normal incel ugly" who sometimes goes outside and not some sort of rare genetic abomination that is stuck to their chair.

[Anonymous No.16216328]

>>16216272
What is this supposed to prove? I agree that immutable characteristics in both personality and looks cause one to not be able to get laid.
>>16216276
Post picture of you kissing a girl followed by you both front-facing the camera so we can see your looks as well, with timestamp, as well as something particular to what I am saying in this post (hold a pencil/pen between your ring finger and thumb of your right hand in the pic), proving that you actually do have a romantic relationship and that you aren't above average looking, and also a pic of height measurement, then I'll believe your horseshit lie.

[Anonymous No.16216338]

>>16216312
There still seem to be plenty on /adv/ and /soc/ but yeah, the incel and pol spam on /lit/ probably lowered the absolute number.

[Anonymous No.16216350]

>>16216338
Good.

[Anonymous No.16216359]

>>16216327
K we're at an impasse since there is no way to determine exactly, precisely who is meeting the conditions we're talking about.

[Anonymous No.16216366]

>>16216338
Incels ruining their best chance at getting laid by spamming every board with their NPC thoughts, like poetry

[Anonymous No.16216372]

How do /lit/ basedboys wahmen defenders cope with the fact that absolutely NO CANONICAL WRITER would be able to make it in 2020? I guess producing a great work of art that changes the way people conceptualize their lives is not enough to impress women, better tell Melville to work on his personality!

[Anonymous No.16216384]

>>16216372
>fact
>the baseless opinion of a brainlet incel
Sorry, sweaty, there is a huge gap between these.

[Anonymous No.16216390]

>>16216294
I don't really think that they care about women, even though there is probably one woman in this thread who "defends" her gender.
People tend to build their ego on the ability to get sex and relatioships. To imply that they didn't got pussy out of hard work or the goodness of their personality would damage their self perception.

[Anonymous No.16216393]

>>16216312
Anon i'm here from 2008 and i have looked up the stats in this regard, please don't try to bullshit

[Anonymous No.16216395]

>>16216328
you as in what is distinct from your looks and personality... the you that is reading this. “immutable” is just your depression speaking. i recommend trying ecstasy to see what you could be like if you weren’t living in your head so much

[Anonymous No.16216399]

>>16216384
Just take a look at how average men score on Tinder these days and recall that no canonical writer was above average looking
>inb4 Camus
6.5/10 in 2020, WAY too lacking to impress modern women

[Anonymous No.16216402]

>>16216390
>People tend to build their ego on the ability to get sex and relatioships.
Incels do. Normal people don't give too many fucks about it.

[Anonymous No.16216409]

>>16216372
You're a toxic little worm, and that's your only problem.

[Anonymous No.16216410]

>>16216399
Why would you go for Tinder if you don't have some cool pictures?

[Anonymous No.16216411]

>>16216402
>To tell you the truth, having functional legs is not that big of a deal. I barely even give a fuck about it

[Anonymous No.16216414]

>>16216327
>look respectable.
Tell me which one of these two is respectable and which one hasn't yet figured out basic hygiene.

[Anonymous No.16216424]

>>16216411
Not really applicable for relationships since these are always hit or miss. It's just that a normal person wouldn't obsess about the crap.

[Anonymous No.16216427]

>>16216402
>Normal people don't give too many fucks about it.
Have you ever had a conversation with normal people? Because at least 50% of the convos will be about relaitonships and or sex.

[Anonymous No.16216434]

>>16216328
as i said to another poster here, you should post a picture of your face right now so everyone here can tell you once and for all that your face isn’t the reason you can get laid. every time an incel posts a picture of their face, it’s some completely average looking dude like elliot rodger who is just living in his own fucking head so much that he convinced himself that himself he is disgusting. it’s just textbook depression. you do realise if you are depressed then you will negatively interpret whatever you see right? so why don’t you have a bit of courage and reveal yourself, you have nothing to lose

[Anonymous No.16216435]

>>16216393
sure bro, those "stats" will tell you that the % of women isn't drastically lower on the current iteration of /lit/ due to the lack of fiction threads, incel/jezebel spam and political autism. most oldfags can attest to the fact that contactfagging thots off 4chan was a legitimate option back in the day

[Anonymous No.16216443]

>>16216424
because they already have it
it's like saying that a person who isn't starving doesn't obsess over food, and the person who doesn't have insomnia doesn't obsess over sleep or the person who is rich doesn't care about money
jesus fucking christ you retard lmao

[Anonymous No.16216450]

>>16216414
She looks respectable on both and would get laid just fine before. A hooked nose doesn't take away the rest being fine.

[Anonymous No.16216453]

>>16216434
he won't post his picture because like all other incel NPCs he's a paranoid craven

[Anonymous No.16216457]

>>16216434
>it’s some completely average looking dude like elliot rodger
ROTFLing right now, blackpill deniers can't be THIS delusional. See my post >>16214748
to find out what average means to wahmen

[Anonymous No.16216462]

>>16216435
>most oldfags can attest to the fact that contactfagging thots off 4chan was a legitimate option back in the day
the only places where it happened was on cgl and most anons didn't succeed in such endeavour because the amount of real women was very scarce.

[Anonymous No.16216467]

>>16216427
>Because at least 50% of the convos will be about relaitonships and or sex.
Probably because you're their emotional tampon. Happens to the best, don't worry.

>>16216443
Not necessary. Sure, getting laid is easy if you're not a complete piece of shit and have a modicum of social skills but getting into a relationship isn't something you can actively control, at best steer yourself into situations making it more likely.

[Anonymous No.16216477]

>>16215725
Huh, meeting through church is historically a lot lower than I thought

[Anonymous No.16216490]

>>16216450
to me she looks kinda dirty in the left pic and untrust worthy, and i think most people feel the same but either don't realize it consciously or moralfag about it not being an issue
the pic on the right on the other hand could be wearing dirty clothing and i would still feel like she is pure, clean and fundamentally good

[Anonymous No.16216491]

>>16216457
why would i use your fucking graph when i know tons of average dudes, and fucking unattractive dudes who get laid. why can’t you just admit you are a fucking pussy? you really think elliot rodger’s looks are what stopped him from getting laid? the reason you need your graphs is because you don’t have any fucking friends. if you had friends you would be able to see that average and below average dudes attract women. now reply with more data because you are a sheltered loser with no idea about what is going on in the real world.

[Anonymous No.16216494]

>>16216462
There is always /soc/. The ideal mate threads and the shit where you make a profile got me dozens of requests with zero effort. Only time I used a picture was of my hand to some chick who was obsessed by "large hands with thin fingers" so it seemed too easy not to.

[Anonymous No.16216499]

>>16216467
>Probably because you're their emotional tampon.
I'm talking about male friends, and even normal people having conversations among themselves that i over hear. Do you ever go outside dude?

[Anonymous No.16216501]

[Anonymous No.16216508]

>>16216490
Maybe that's some issues you have to work over? She looks like a random Turkish teen on the left. And like a 12 year old Italian on the right.

[Anonymous No.16216511]

[Anonymous No.16216513]

>>16216467
>Sure, getting laid is easy if you're not a complete piece of shit
Why would you say that? It's literally the opposite of reality. Only good people don't get laid.

[Anonymous No.16216516]

>>16216499
So even your male friends use you as emotional tampon? Jeez, that must be hard.

[Anonymous No.16216525]

>>16213699
So Anon I will try to explain to you my experience
I used to be an incel, in the sense that I couldn't get myself a girlfriend, I was fairly attractive, women interacted with me and some even hinted, but I was always too fucking autistic to do anything, once a girl approached me and asked for my number, I didn't even know what to say
Nowadays I am dating
So, what did I do? Nothing, really, I was just being my usually autistic caring self until a girl liked me back, and we dated
It's all about luck, some people may say it's money, others power, others attractiveness, but in the end it all goes down to being lucky
One girl will actually love you back, every person has a type, you might be lucky to meet her tomorrow, or be unlucky to never meet her
This shouldn't help you, but in the end, relationships are like a dice, roll it until you get double six

[Anonymous No.16216527]

>>16216494
soc still is good or was that a while ago? whenever i looked at soc i just saw a lot of pics of dicks

[Anonymous No.16216532]

>>16216508
no, i'm just honest and introspective a thing which you are incapable of

[Anonymous No.16216535]

>>16216513
I have yet to talk to someone who appears like a somewhat decent person, wants to get laid and doesn't seem to manage it.

At least if we ignore the oneitis fags who just got to get THAT specific person but these are close to people who want a relationship, so a different ball game.

[Anonymous No.16216539]

>>16216527
It's garbage honestly. Reddit was alright a couple of years ago but turned into a sausagefest as well. Thirsty men ruin everything

[Anonymous No.16216546]

>>16216535
>I have yet to talk to someone who appears like a somewhat decent person
>someone who appears
>appears
Please, read about the halo effect.

[Anonymous No.16216549]

>>16216516
I understand that you don't have friends just cooworkers who only talk about job related issues.
Maybe if you improved your personality you could get some.

[Anonymous No.16216550]

>>16216527
It always had a lot of dicks. That's just a part of it.

Last time I seriously posted there was around 2016 when there were still skype threads. Now it seems full of discord shit, so maybe the zoomers took over.

[Anonymous No.16216553]

>>16216539
what’s going on anon, are men becoming more pathetic or is something bigger happening

[Anonymous No.16216556]

>>16216532
Just because you're honest doesn't mean you're not having issues.

[Anonymous No.16216562]

>>16216546
My bad, make it "who sounds like a good person".

[Anonymous No.16216574]

>>16216535
I have yet too meet someone who had sex and is a decent human being

[Anonymous No.16216580]

Why do incel NPCs ALWAYS present the exact same arguments in the exact same way? Has anyone ever witnessed an incel be open to trying anything new, whether radical like psychedelics or conventional like having hobbies that aren't coping 24/7? I haven't.

[Anonymous No.16216586]

>>16216549
>implying I have a job
Although yeah, job talks are probably 25% of what my friends talk about since they care about the whole career advancement meme. Politics/current world stuff is probably the other 25%, and a solid 10% are media. The rest is personal crap and relationship crap still rarely comes up sans a rare "I made my husband kill the wasp" or "what should I give muh crush on her bday" stuff.

[Anonymous No.16216589]

>>16216580
because they are sick just like all other humans. we are no different than incels, if it’s not about sex then it’s about something else

[Anonymous No.16216592]

>>16216574
Does your definition of "decent human being" have any relation to how much or little sex they have?

[Anonymous No.16216594]

>>16216535
>i have yet to talk to someone who appears like a somewhat decent person, who wants to get rich and doesn't seem to manage it.

[Anonymous No.16216595]

>>16216562
You can't factor the looks out of the equation when you're talking to someone. It's subliminal, you can't help it. It even shows up in your word choice. This isn't a personal failing, it's how humans are built.
>but when I read incels' posts on /lit/, I don't see how they look and I'm still certain that they're shitty people!
And then, in another thread, you'll be shooting the shit, talking about Joyce or Pynchon or whatever the fuck people do on this shithole of a board, and you'd be none the wiser that they're incels. Fact is, everyone has certain cognitive biases that color their opinions of others, and these biases cause certain people to never have a chance to grow as humans.

[Anonymous No.16216597]

>>16215704
Oh but you are wrong. The physical structure and food of the United States is literally designed to promote obesity and social isolation. If you are living in a suburb in the middle of nowhere, you have no reason to leave your house because there is nothing to do. So you rot, gaining weight and not interacting with people. When you DO go out, its in a car to a drive through to buy mcdonalds. The only people that avoid this are the ones that live in a metro area with decent and close transportation like NYC.

[Anonymous No.16216604]

>>16216592
no, it has to do with being kind, not trying to backstab or exploit people

[Anonymous No.16216612]

>is all about looks.

[Anonymous No.16216619]

>>16216501
>>16216511
Would it be their fault if they got raped while wearing that in public?

[Anonymous No.16216622]

>>16216595
Fact is, you haven't read any papers or books about the biases you talk about other than the cherrypicked examples you rotate around on your PSL echochambers. Go read Thinking, Fast and Slow and you'll understand that the heuristics and biases are far broader than your "brothers" make it out to be but also that you can use them to your advantage
>these biases cause certain people to never have a chance to grow as humans
fatalistic, deterministic double digit IQcel cope

[Anonymous No.16216640]

>>16216586
sounds like you only have acquaintances
have you ever had real friends?

[Anonymous No.16216644]

>>16216619
rape is natural and imposed mortality is the main thing that stops rape. with that being said, i don’t know if the average incel would have enough strength or perseverance to successfully rape them given how thick their thighs and ass are. they would probably get bucked and kicked in the face like somebody who tries to mess with a horse.

[Anonymous No.16216649]

>>16216640
what is the difference between the two if you don’t mind explaining

[Anonymous No.16216658]

>>16216491
>why would I use statistically backed evidence when I can just mention some anecdotal evidence to support my otherwise easily refutable claim
never change, /lit/

[Anonymous No.16216667]

>>16216312
>There were plenty of women on 4chan
Rule 16, you terrible faggot.

[Anonymous No.16216668]

>>16216595
>You can't factor the looks out of the equation when you're talking to someone.
Of course you can. At least to a point. Knowing that it has an affect on how you perceive people, you can adjust your perception. It's the same with other stereotypes, when you instinctively go "that girl with a short skirt and full body tattoos will probably blow me if I just keep it cool" but remind your brain that it's not good enough of an indicator yet.
>It even shows up in your word choice.
Bretty sure it's just language. Appears is just a stronger verb than seems or sounds. Though guess part of it comes from us being a visual culture.
>and you'd be none the wiser that they're incels
Until they dismiss something regarding women or minorities or bitch about modern times, even if it's subtle, all the shitposting gives a pretty decent incel radar. Now sure, it's much harder to tell in very limited conversations about very specific topics but in more general conversations, they tend to wave their red flags rather sooner than later.

>>16216604
Come to think of it, backstabbing others seems indeed rarer amongs non-sex havers. Although it's probably because the same people also tend to get fewer opportunities.

>>16216597
Yes BUT, shitty food alone won't do the job unless you eat too much of it (sure it being addictive doesn't help but still an extra hurdle) and nowadays it's easier than ever to balance out social isolation at least with e-friends.

[Anonymous No.16216672]

>>16216622
>implying that the only cognitive bias I'm aware of is the halo effect
For a board supposedly dedicated to literature, the reading comprehension of posters here leaves a lot to be desired.
>fatalistic, deterministic double digit IQcel cope
If you spend your formative years on the outside of most social cliques, isolated and lonely, it'll be much harder to push past that and self-actualize, compared to someone who grew up beloved by his peers. Do you dispute this basic fact?
Incidentally, this is probably the bigger factor behind inceldom than looks. A significant number of self-proclaimed incels suffer from severe social anxiety or awkwardness that they developed during adolescence more than anything. It is possible to push past this, but it requires facing rejection again and again, and for many, it's simply not feasible.

[Anonymous No.16216675]

>>16216658
your "statistically backed evidence" consists solely of Tinder and OKC numbers and zero real world evidence, stop coping

[Anonymous No.16216681]

>>16216580
because the arguments still haven't been refuted, cope more

[Anonymous No.16216685]

>>16216640
From my side they actually might be, this whole personal connection business ain't for me. But I've gotten too many wedding invitations, compliments about what a good friend I'm and "you're like a brother to me" to think they don't see me as a friend.

[Anonymous No.16216688]

Shit thread lads. I hate you all, unironically wish you death.

[Anonymous No.16216693]

>>16216675
>Tinder and OKC aren't real world
Baudrillard would like to have a word with you

[Anonymous No.16216717]

>>16216649
in the first case you talk almost exclusively about impersonal issues (job, politics, weather, etc.)
in the second case you also talk about personal issues (relationships, social activities, gossip, hobbies, interests, personal problems)
Do you have autism or something?

[Anonymous No.16216722]

>>16216675
>the most popular way that couples meet isn't the "real world"

[Anonymous No.16216732]

>>16216395
Your evidence-free suggestions are just your uninformed optimism speaking.

[Anonymous No.16216745]

>>16216717
Not the guy who asked but the one you're be having the conversation with. And going by this "friends" clearly applies then. Maybe you missed the part when their jobs are closely linked to their interests and personal problems.

[Anonymous No.16216748]

>>16216668
>Of course you can. At least to a point. Knowing that it has an affect on how you perceive people, you can adjust your perception.
Most people aren't going around their daily life self-conscious enough to think "Man, I'm probably treating that guy worse because he's ugly due to factors out of his control. Looks like I should course-correct." They'll see an ugly guy, think "wow, creep alert," and let that color their perception.
>Now sure, it's much harder to tell in very limited conversations about very specific topics but in more general conversations, they tend to wave their red flags rather sooner than later.
That's because "general topics" almost always refers to politics/worldview and personal lives. Incels have shit personal lives, and because incels are human, they think that the solution to said shit personal lives is to elect some based traditionalist or something; hence why their identity is revealed in their political views. But if you're talking to an incel about his interests, who are you to say that that doesn't count as his true self?
>all the shitposting gives a pretty decent incel radar
Just because your go-to reply to anyone who disagrees with you on /v/ is "have sex" doesn't make it true that they're all incels.

[Anonymous No.16216752]

>>16213699
PUA was the last bastion for incels...circa 1995-2010 before Tinder, Instagram, Snapchat etc. completely colonized the social world. Back then women still went out and were open to being approached in clubs/bars/restaurants...provided you displayed high enough value where she could make a reasonable guess that you are a high value male. In practice, this meant that PUA could still flourish as PUA is nothing else but making the woman think you are high value by adjusting (read: faking) your behavio which based on limited information she can gain from you in person could mean that you are indeed "The Shit".

Unfortunately with social media completely taking over, there is no reason for women to even remotely entertain cold approaches anymore, she can easily grasp who is high value or not simply by checking them out on their social media or dating apps. There is no reason for her to go out with an average guy that seems super cool anymore when she can simply eliminate any risk whatsoever by getting with Chad that is for sure high value based on his social media account/pics etc. Basically, it is completely impossible to get a woman if you are a sub-Chad in 2020, in the event that you do manage to get one the effort to keep her interested in light of all the other Chad options that are going to be staring at her from social media is so high that it makes it barely worthwhile. The sexual marketplace is now capitalism, if you have what it takes, which only top 10% of mend o, you'll do better than ever, anything less than that and you are condemned to a sexual/romantic equivalent of wageslaving in order to barely get by. Honestly, I am telling you this as a fellow averagecel....if you want to have a fulfilling sexual life your best bet is to focus ALL of your energy on getting rich and rising the social hierarchy through money/power. And even then some of the women that you'll be able to get will still secretly resent you from not having a jaw as wide as that one Chad they fucked that one time.

[Anonymous No.16216755]

>>16216722
Completely false. Couples who met online meet through conventional social media apps like Facebook and Instagram far more often than through dating apps, incels would know this if they had put some effort into building and maintaining a social circle.

[Anonymous No.16216771]

>>16216755
>you don't understand, it's not Tinder and OKC, it's the other social media platform which is governed by the very same laws of physical attraction as Tinder and OKC that's really important
lmao you're absolutely delusional

[Anonymous No.16216774]

>>16216685
>wedding invitations
i mean normies tend to invite as many as possible and it's rude to exclude people that you know
>compliments about what a good friend
normies also tend to fake and overexagerate emotional connections, don't take it too seriously unless they actually prove it with their actions

[Anonymous No.16216776]

>>16216612
Yes the extremely wealthy, famous, 6'2" guy with a good jaw and eye area got a wife, and they divorced in the same year that Tinder came out. Wow, all I had to do was bee myself and be a real human bean instead of a mithoginee inkwell... see you guys later i'm going to go get a gf.

[Anonymous No.16216778]

>>16216755
Nope. A significant majority of those that meet online meet through dating apps and websites rather than social media.

[Anonymous No.16216780]

>>16216748
>Most people aren't going around their daily life self-conscious
Thank god for social anxiety then!
>But if you're talking to an incel about his interests, who are you to say that that doesn't count as his true self?
If their interests are just consuming shit, their true self is probably pretty crappy either way. If it has aspect that involves creating something, it's likely to touch on the real world one way or another, and we're back to world views and personal lives.
>Just because your go-to reply to anyone who disagrees with you on /v/ is "have sex" doesn't make it true that they're all incels.
If they bitch about negros and women, it generally means they are though.

[Anonymous No.16216782]

>>16216771
>lmao you're absolutely delusional
look into a mirror please, you're cucking yourself into perpetual virginity with your idiotic ideology

[Anonymous No.16216806]

>>16216782
bold of you to assume I'm not actively trying to hold my own on these dating apps except it makes less and less sense with each month, it really is over for sub-8 males in 2020

[Anonymous No.16216811]

>>16216780
>negros

[Anonymous No.16216813]

>>16216752
dude, women are whores but even an ugly guy like me can get laid and get girls interested in having a relationship with him
they aren't as selective as you seem to think, and no you don't need to pretend to be rich or something

[Anonymous No.16216814]

>>16213699
Game doesn't matter. Straight from experience, I am wealthier, smarter, funnier, harder-working than my buddy and nothing I ever say to a woman will ever matter compared to him simply because his bones are arranged in a way that makes him more attractive to women. It literally doesn't matter. He can say "herp derrrrp" and it literally throws all of my work out of the window because he is better looking. And the funny thing is then women ALWAYS take his side in any debate or joke we have. If I make a joke about him, even if it's 10 times as funny as his, they will always berate me for putting him down or whatever, but if he makes a lame joke about me somehow all the women laugh. It's completely pointless trying to expend all that energy when a better looking guy will simply walk by and fuck the chick you spent 100 hours on trying to fuck in 30 minutes of talking to her. In that 100 hours she is conservative, well-mannered blahblahblah and then she will fuck the right guy in the toilet 30 minutes from meeting him because he triggers whatever primeval attraction triggers she has for men. Completely pointless.

[Anonymous No.16216822]

>>16216782
>try my fucking ass off to get a gf
>doesn't work
>start to agree with incels
>still try to get a gf anyways just in case, still trying really hard to maximize chances
>"Dude you're just not trying"
Shut up bitch

[Anonymous No.16216823]

>>16216774
>i mean normies tend to invite as many as possible
Is that a Burger meme or does this actually happen? I've never been at a wedding that had more than 5 people unrelated to either party. Most of my friends are pretty well off, so money is definitely not a factor.
>unless they actually prove it with their actions
Kind of a catch 22, since I hate asking people for anything but the few times I did, I did get it and they dropped everything to help ... but since it happens so rarely, who knows whether it were exceptions! And I guess sharing personal secrets and fears and the likes is too basic.

[Anonymous No.16216825]

>>16216813
>but even an ugly guy like me can get laid and get girls interested in having a relationship with him

people say this online but I never see this happen in person. yes i've seen average to below average guys expend million hours to get one girl to give them the time of their day but this is completely different than having a girl be infatuated or in love with you. if you don't think so, you are kidding yourself. i have a wide social circle and i can not think of a single instance where a girl would be interested in an ugly or average guy over the good looking guy of the group, no matter what each of them said or what they behaved like.

[Anonymous No.16216826]

>>16216813
Post face.

[Anonymous No.16216845]

>>16216780
>If their interests are just consuming shit, their true self is probably pretty crappy either way.
Everyone in 2020 must have a crappy true self then, according to that definition. And yet, I don't think that nobody is getting laid these days. Curious.
>If it has aspect that involves creating something, it's likely to touch on the real world one way or another, and we're back to world views and personal lives.
Programming and other STEM hobbies, music, gardening, cooking, cars, photography, drawing, and a million more hobbies have nothing to do with that kind of thing.
>If they bitch about negros and women, it generally means they are though.
The whole "incels are racist" meme is a joke of a psyop, given that a larger proportion of incels are nonwhite than any other weird pseudo-political online movement, barring maybe an edge case like Afrofuturism. And no shit, people who bitch about women are more likely to lack success with women. At the same time, my friends who get laid the most are probably the most "toxic" in those areas in online games and such.

[Anonymous No.16216849]

>>16216823
ok anon, you are getting too defensive
you shouldn't care whether i consider your friends real, i don't even know you
>Is that a Burger meme or does this actually happen?
I don't know, but it's a thing here in europe

[Anonymous No.16216856]

>>16213699
>he fell for the meme

[Anonymous No.16216858]

>>16216826
Seriously. I want to see the face of every faggot on here claiming "I'm a soiface, kind of tubby loser and I fuck on the regular!", and they HAVE to be with a gf, AND they have to do timestamp and some weird random thing specific to the post (like interlocking their index fingers or something).

[Anonymous No.16216861]

>>16216849
weak

[Anonymous No.16216863]

>>16216858
don't bother, it never happens.

[Anonymous No.16216865]

on a related note - what do you guys think are the deadlines for kissing/having sex/being in relationship after which it starts to be a social burden (I mean people are going to ridicule you for that) and a red flag?

[Anonymous No.16216877]

>>16216865
> people are going to ridicule you
17
>social burden
21
> a red flag
25

[Anonymous No.16216882]

>>16216877
>tfw passed the red flag deadline

[Anonymous No.16216883]

>>16215725
phone bad

[Anonymous No.16216886]

>>16216826
I don't want to become a meme bro, it's really ogre.

>>16216825
>can not think of a single instance where a girl would be interested in an ugly or average guy over the good looking guy of the group
I see so many couples on a daily basis in which the guy isn't a "chad" and isn't a millionare that i don't understand your world view. And i have seen girls being infatuated by below average guys but i guess my looks standard is subjecive.

[Anonymous No.16216887]

>>16216865
it's never a red flag if at any point you become fuckable/dateable then even if it was a red flag people will just intrepret it into your favor (oh he's just a little timid/conservative/shy/caring in a cute way). it's kind of a catch 22, being kissless/dateless/sexless is a red flag if you legitimately can't get one of those, but the moment you are good enough none of those will be interpreted as a red flag.

[Anonymous No.16216888]

>>16216882
I passed it 57 minutes ago.

[Anonymous No.16216890]

>>16216849
> i don't even know you
Which makes the assumptions interesting in the first place given my attitude towards friendships. It's less of "omg, are they really my friends" and more of "self indulgent curiosity over how a third party sees it based on limited informations they have".
>but it's a thing here in europe
Eh, can't confirm. Guess I got lucky so far.

I'm mildly curious what a third party with very limited information thinks based on that information

[Anonymous No.16216895]

>>16213699
Getting a girl is easy:
1.) Shave neck and face
2.) Buy nice haircut
3.) Buy decent clothes
4.) Hit the gym and eat healthy

Those are the prerequisites to open a conversation. When talking to a girl:

1.) Tease her. Take nothing she says seriously.
2.) Be focused on your goals, big or small. "Can I take you to dinner" <<< "I'm going to Red Lobster. Wanna tag along?"
3.) Texting is for logistics, nothing else. Game doesn't work without body language.
4.) Approach as many women as possible. Evaluate yourself after every interaction.

Everything else is just window dressing. I would suggest r/TheRedPill, but if you just follow my advice you'll have a girl in no time.

[Anonymous No.16216898]

>>16216886
>I see so many couples on a daily basis in which the guy isn't a "chad" and isn't a millionare that i don't understand your world view.

being in a relationship isn't the same thing. there's only so many Chads out there, so a girl has to settle eventually and subject her BF to entirely different standards than she would have for Chad.

[Anonymous No.16216901]

>>16213699
when I saw the thread I thought you were joking and the book was not about pick up stuff...

[Anonymous No.16216911]

>>16216895
>r/

[Anonymous No.16216915]

>>16216888
happy birthday anon :) don't worry about it, we're all here for you :3

[Anonymous No.16216934]

>>16216915
Thanks fren

[Anonymous No.16216936]

>>16216845
>Everyone in 2020 must have a crappy true self then
Bullshit. Almost everyone has interests beyond "netflix and listening to music".
>and a million more hobbies have nothing to do with that kind of thing
Almost all of these are very likely to touch the real world during some aspect of it. The range of the stuff alone would usually give a hint. Artsy stuff is also less likely to be practiced by incels unless it's writing a novel about some depressed loser protagonist.
>given that a larger proportion of incels are nonwhite
Who are usually self-hating enough to still bitch about other non-whites either way, specially from other ethnicities. Besides, it usually just works based on the incels blaming society and women. From there the step to ideologies that want to restrict the rights of women is small, and these ideologies rarely are too accepting to minorities, unless these submit to the majority.
>my friends who get laid the most are probably the most "toxic"
How does one even go more toxic?

[Anonymous No.16216940]

>>16216890
I just find it weird that you seem to not talk about your own or their relationships with your friends.
Where i live it's a normal thing.
I guessing that you are from northern europe, nordics tend to be more reserved and impersonal almost autistic compared to us southern chads.

[Anonymous No.16216961]

>>16216882
>>16216888

[Anonymous No.16217063]

>>16216940
It's obviously a topic, just not a very large one given how shit's only interesting in the early phases or the prelude to one. Plus we're all mid to late twenty boomers who can communicate with their partners, so not like someone is going to bitch about the bf letting the toilet seat open or the gf spending less time with them because of exams or work projects.
>I guessing that you are from northern europe
Well, central, so close enough, and I'm an east euro immigrant myself. My last gf was Italian and I can't say she seemed any different when it comes to her friends. Could be her STEM autism, who knows.

[Anonymous No.16217264]

>>16216895
sound advice except there is no such thing as eating healthy, just eat what your body agrees with. and also you can text however you want... a girl isn’t going to next you because you like to text, and many girls do like texting too

[Anonymous No.16217281]

>>16216936
>Bullshit. Almost everyone has interests beyond "netflix and listening to music".
Sorry, I forgot to include video games and drinking. Granted, most of my friends have more hobbies than that, but primarily the non-normalfags of the bunch (although there are outliers).
>Almost all of these are very likely to touch the real world during some aspect of it. The range of the stuff alone would usually give a hint.
I feel like we've gotten confused. There are definitely hobbies that correlate with sexlessness. It's pretty obvious that BJJ practitioners get laid a lot more, on average, than computer programmers. But I get the sense that your point is that incels have some moral/character failings that seep into everything they do and are easily detectable. That's where I disagree. If a guy shows you a toy operating system he wrote, unless the bootloader prints out "IncelOS" whenever you run it, would you really be able to tell whether or not he hates women?
Let's even take a prototypical incel hobby like anime-watching as an example. Saying "I spend X amount of time watching anime" doesn't, in fact, say anything about how kind of a person you are, or how much you respect other people, or any of that. But you'd be more likely to assume that the person is an incel, because people who watch anime are stereotypically less likely to have a social life, and people who don't have a social life are less stereotypically likely to have sex, and if you can't have sex, then you clearly must have a major character flaw (other than being ugly). So you'd think "aha, this person must be a bad person because he watches anime, which just goes to show why he can't get sex", when it's really all just circular reasoning. The cause and effect is messed up.
>How does one even go more toxic?
Calling teammates niggers in online video games, talking about how dumb women are to their face, that kind of thing. Somehow, they're never seen as reprehensible subhumans beyond salvation.
This argument is pointless, I've decided, but at least it gave me something with which I could distract myself from my boring life. Cheers.

[Anonymous No.16217282]

>>16216722
now i see why you can’t get laid :p

[Anonymous No.16217477]

>>16217281
>If a guy shows you a toy operating system he wrote
Given how much work, dedication and effort it'd take, it'll definitely raise a brow and make me wonder about their social life. Which is obviously meaningless by itself but a few questions further about WHY they wanted to make it, whether they want to publish it and going more general about what they enjoy about programming and whether they see any professional future in it for them, could potentially lead to some "fucking tech companies only hire women and niggers". Now again, obviously one thing by itself is rarely enough but it's also generally not enough to tell whether someone is a decent person or not. It's not like incels have to be completely devoid of any redeeming qualities.
>anime
I mean, their picks could give some hints, as their favorite characters. Obviously it'd be all assumptions in the end but that's just given with limited information.
>"aha, this person must be a bad person because he watches anime, which just goes to show why he can't get sex"
Slow down, obviously it'd be retarded to go hobby X = person Y. It's all hints, assumptions and guesses. I never suggested jumping to conclusions.
>they're never seen as reprehensible subhumans beyond salvation
Neither are incels before they go all out with their beliefs. Being an edgy kid online is generally so common, only more details can be of any use.

And sure, there is a circular aspect in the thinking, a la "well, they got laid, clearly can't be THAT horrible" vs "well, no wonder they are an incel" … but the phenomena itself also is circular. The more bitter someone gets about women, the more they will repel them, which will make them more bitter and so on. Just like depression, it's a feedback loop that's a total bitch to escape.
>This argument is pointless, I've decided
Online arguments usually are. At best one can gain glimpses of another perspective and an interesting idea or two. Helps me to put of working on muh query, so cheers back.

[Anonymous No.16217535]

>>16216895
>TheRedPill
Oh no you outed yourself as a retard

[Anonymous No.16217537]

>>16217264
a girl will ghost you if your texts are pathetic

[Anonymous No.16217556]

>>16217477
>The more bitter someone gets about women, the more they will repel them, which will make them more bitter and so on. Just like depression, it's a feedback loop that's a total bitch to escape.
At least we can agree on that.

[Anonymous No.16217881]

>>16213709
>Maybe read the other book he wrote specifically addressing that topic.
Was it under a pen name? Tony Sterling? Mating 101: Practical Dating Guide for Men?
https://mating101.com/the-book/

[Anonymous No.16217905]

>>16217881
https://mating101.com/category/mating-101-book-excerpts/
>Many women, especially the hottest looking ones, are actually huge insecure dorks. They learned to become experts at hiding their insecurities and pretending to look cool but rarely are beneath the carefully cultivated veneer.

[Anonymous No.16217924]

>>16217905
>https://mating101.com/category/mating-101-book-excerpts/
>Keep in mind, every woman has at least one major physical flaw she works to keep hidden. That perfect 10 you perceive is riddled with fear someone will find out about her vaginal warts, see the premature gray hair roots, notice her toe thumbs or Fred Flintstone feet. To keep hotties somewhat humble, Nature purposely builds imperfections into their hardware. No joke, it never fails– lumpy hips, fat knees, cottage cheese thighs, ass cheek zits.

[Anonymous No.16217941]

>>16217905
>>16217924
This isn't wrong but actually using it well takes emotional intelligence that would make it unlikely for the person to need the tips. Though I guess faggots could just practice it online to get a feel for it.

[Anonymous No.16217951]

>>16217924
>If you are uncomfortable being yourself and recycle awkward behavior when trying to meet and talk to women, it’s time to play another role. Sometimes I change my behavior like I’m matching a Halloween costume. I call the trick my “costume” personality. It helps me escape my normal comfort zone and be more outgoing.

>Have you worn a work uniform and felt like an entirely different person on the inside too? More confident? A feeling of being set free, released from your mental chains? In your work uniform you are forced to become an extrovert. Off work, back into introvert mode.

[Anonymous No.16217963]

>>16217941
>This isn't wrong but actually using it well takes emotional intelligence that would make it unlikely for the person to need the tips. Though I guess faggots could just practice it online to get a feel for it.
Learn how to become Alpha as Fuck and ramp things up https://mating101.com/12-ways-to-become-alpha-as-fuck/
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[Anonymous No.16218045]

Live music: one of the best date ideas ever
>You set yourself far apart from other men by doing something beyond the average and played out dinner and a movie date.

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>"Live music" is one of my favorite and most successful date ideas, especially if it is something special like this Tangerine Dream concert.

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