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16188551 No.16188551 [Reply] [Original]

Define Sword and Sorcery. What separates it from fantasy?

>> No.16188575

>>16188551
main character is an ubermenshe chad, it's dark and gritty, you will see some titties and scantily clad women.

It's about one man's struggle vs the world rather than a kingdom or nation. It's an inherently anarchist individualist/egoist genre.

>> No.16189096

>>16188575
More egoist than anarchist, moralism is very seldom part of it

>> No.16189104

>>16189096
yo momma

>> No.16189105

>>16189096
egoism is usually used in an anarchist context.
moralism is unrelated here and really can't be used to say it's not anarchist.

>> No.16189108

>>16189096
"Morality" though, can be part of it, in a classic "good triumphs evil and receives glory" sort of way.

>> No.16189171

>>16189096
I don't mean anarcho communism or something, I just mean extreme freedom, power of the invididual which is Egoist anarchism or anarcho-egoism

>> No.16189227

>>16188551
>Picaresque as opposed to containing a grand plot
>Psychological as opposed to metaphysical
>Typically more explicit with depictions of sex, violence, slavery, and so on
>Core values are strength and wit of the individual – 'heroic' in the Greek sense
>Settings are chosen based on psychological impact and physical obstacles for the hero, not based on recreating a pastiche of North/West Europe (or in modern epic fantasy, whatever cultural setting is mimicked) – more diverse landscapes, use of jungles and tundras, etc.

>> No.16189832

>>16189096
Wrong. Morals are heavy part of it. Conan, the mascot of the genre, is essentially a noble savage. He has his own code of honor and higher morals than the civilizations he triumphs over

>> No.16189835

>>16188551
It's pulpier and doesn't take itself seriously.

>> No.16189866
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16189866

>>16188551
Fantasy is gay, Sword and Sorcery is based.

>> No.16189898

>>16189835
>doesn't take itself seriously.
i feel like it does though?

>> No.16189922

>>16188575
>>16189105
Moorcock is an anarchist, so this makes sense

>> No.16189969

>>16189922
>Moorcock
Never heard of her

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16190009

>>16189969
?
Michael Moorcock. Pictured.

>> No.16190018

>>16188551
What the hell are you talking about? Sword and Sorcery is a subgenre of fantasy.

>> No.16190031

>>16189898
Nah, only Moorcock because he's resentful of Tolkien.

>> No.16190035

>>16190018
yes and?

>> No.16190069

>>16190009
Looks like a fag. Robert E Howard would dead lift that twat

>> No.16190078

>>16190069
He didn’t kill himself when his mother died, so probably not.

>> No.16190083

>>16190078
Why are women so evil bros

>> No.16190084

>>16190035
So nothing separates it from fantasy, by definition.

>> No.16190143

>>16190083
You’re the punkass bitch calling him a fag.

>> No.16190221

I submit this as my answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqEgFEkxek

>> No.16190239

>>16188551
swords and sorceries inside

>> No.16190269

>>16190143
No actually I am the one that did and Moorcock is a fag. Better to die than look like a tard wearing a scarf and that >>16190009 hat

>> No.16191496

>>16188551
Bump

>> No.16191562

>>16189832
I'm pretty sure this only applies to a few of the books and the films, not to the whole Conan series.

>> No.16191565

>>16188551
the quest is smaller-scale
it's more pulpy.
it's more like cowboy in fantasy land rather than epic.

>> No.16191834

>>16191565
Exactly. Conan saves the world now and again sure. But in frost giants daughter, queen of the black coast, tower of the elephant, people of the black circle etc he's just out on an adventure. He's not the chosen one out to save the hyborean world. He's just doing his thing

>> No.16192085

>>16190078
imagine saying something like this

>> No.16193161

More cock haha

>> No.16193172

>>16190078
Why are women so evil bros

>> No.16194955

Do yourself and nver buy any of MoorCocks books. His Elric stories are garbage.

>> No.16194961

>>16194955
This.

>> No.16194969

>>16194955
But I liked a lot of them. However, I would recommend the comics over the books, because the writing suits them better.

>> No.16194986

>>16194969
New comics are shit when they're just BDSM elves and the old comics are just too outdated looking.

>> No.16194994

>>16194986
The old comics are still fine

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>>16194994
Nope still an eye sore to look at

>> No.16195001

>>16189104
I practiced some swordplay with her last night, if you catch my drift

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>>16193172
>women

>> No.16195063

>>16194955
>>16194961
>>16194969
>>16194994
Elric is an unironic cuckold though, imagine leaving your lover with her brother that very obviously stated he wants to rape her just so you can play lone wanderer.

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>>16195063
He ain't a cuck if he knocked the chick up before passing it on to his bro. Alpha move

>> No.16195822

Are there any decent modern Sword and Sorcery books? Pretty much all recommendations come from the 60s-70s

>> No.16195927

>>16195822
Why would you want that when there are millions of volumes of pulpy 60s-90s goodness

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>>16195003

>> No.16196033

What are some good sword and planet novels?

>> No.16196088

>>16195927
I guess I'm just tired of the way old school authors write. Too flowery and mealdramatic.

>> No.16196122

>>16196088
As far as I can tell, modern fantasy has basically been boiled down to Game of Thrones.
Maybe give The Witcher series a try? I haven't read it though so I can't really give much input.

>> No.16196334

>>16191562
You are wrong. Contrasting Conan with the moral degradation caused by civilisation is a recurring theme in the stories.