/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16168766]

>YA bad
>YA bad
>YA bad
>YA bad

[Anonymous No.16168775]

>>16168766
How new are you to this board?

[Anonymous No.16168780]

>>16168775
I've been here since 2015

[Anonymous No.16168792]

>>16168780
Then please leave, you have outstayed your welcome by approximately 5 years.

[Anonymous No.16168806]

>>16168792
No.

[Anonymous No.16168835]

Hi, fellow reader! This place is too fricking dumb to understand the importance of young adult fiction I guess. We would love to have you at r/books! We are rereading Harry Potter, you can choose your house lol I’m a slytherin lmao. Let’s leave together and have some fun there, where intellectuals can actually discuss and get upvotes. Getting karma FTW.

[Anonymous No.16168857]

>>16168766
It's a self-fulfilling prophesy. The moment something is considered good then it ceases to be young-adult

[Anonymous No.16168859]

LN good
LN good
LN good
LN good
LN good
LN good

[Anonymous No.16168881]

>>16168859
This

[Anonymous No.16168889]

>>16168857
>self-fulfilling prophesy
You mean a catch-22?

[Anonymous No.16168895]

>>16168766
YA a shit

[Anonymous No.16168924]

Young adult is cringe for overweight womanchildren
Light novels are cringe for overweight manchildren

[Anonymous No.16168959]

>>16168924
>29A58CE4-12B5-407C-AF04-35997C205C6B.png
okay, redit

[Anonymous No.16168973]

>>16168766
YA is bad when you're beyond the age of 16 for males and 18 for females, yes.

[Anonymous No.16168974]

YA is a useful stepping stone to go from "learn how to read" books to normal literature. It would be concerning if a child is still stuck in YA and incapable of reading normal literature by middle school, and certainly by high school. There's nothing wrong with still reading it in high school, as long as the reader is also reading proper books and recognizes it as base entertainment.

[Anonymous No.16169074]

>>16168766
based

[Anonymous No.16169727]

>>16168974
I went straight into normal literature in high school. Until then I had only read math/science textbooks

[Anonymous No.16169738]

>>16168835
I know this is bait but it pains me that there's people who actually behave like this. Women emancipation was a mistake

[Anonymous No.16169749]

>>16168766
This meme doesn't make any sense. Aside from self-help YA is all NPCs read.

[Anonymous No.16169765]

>>16168766
There are some good YA, but the majority is wish fullfilment trash.

[Anonymous No.16169894]

>>16168974
I get what you are saying but for future reference YA 12-18 according to publishers.

[Anonymous No.16169935]

>>16168959
Oh fuck. Got his ass

[Anonymous No.16169943]

>>16168806
Yes

[Anonymous No.16169973]

>>16168766
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[R. No.16170478]

Well, no; not all is bad. The majority of it is, and this grows with time. But a few here and there aren't too bad. Though, this may be on the part of nostalgia more than anything.

[Anonymous No.16170953]

>>16169894
Who the fuck cares what publishers say? Alexander the Great concluded his formal education at 16 and carried an annotated copy of the Iliad with him on his campaigns. No YA novel I'm aware of is written beyond the comprehension of a 12 year old that starts reading by first or second grade.

[Anonymous No.16170957]

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[Anonymous No.16171082]

>>16168766
Wizard of earth sea
Boxcar children
Rudyard Kipling

[Anonymous No.16171089]

>>16168859
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.16171111]

>>16168835
Ignoring the last sentence and last word of the one previous, I know many people of this caliber and wish to free them from the burden of life with a high caliber.

[Anonymous No.16171138]

>>16168974
I'd like to give a rebuttal by saying that the intended audience is not a metric of artistic quality. There are a few YA books capable of being good literature and while the exception does not make the rule, the existence of the exception discredits blanket statements labeling all YA books as but a segue into literature proper. Notable examples include some of Orson Scott Card's books, though not all of them.

[Anonymous No.16171178]

>>16168766
>*I* am too good for YA!
>t. 18yo
?

[Anonymous No.16171188]

>>16168766
/thread

[Anonymous No.16171259]

>>16168766
To be fair, a lot of YA IS bad. Really bad, formulaic mess written by adults who can neither recapture the teenage mindset nor the highs and low of that time but just pander to a caricature inspired by Burger movies.

It's not the fault of the genre though and the average /lit/fag is just too dumb to look past it.
>>16168974
I read "normal literature" back in middle school and HS. It felt a lot more interesting back then as a look into adulthood since it's harder to find adults who honestly talk about their lives with a kid. Reading the shit now feels closer to listening to some boomer rambling. There might be some interesting ideas here and there but most of stories themselves feel uninspired and limited in scope.

Sure, reading about some teenage girl having to save the world and choose between two hot guys isn't great but at least she didn't give up on live yet. On the other side, you can read about some middle aged fag who meanders between masturbation sessions, a meaningless job and pounders divorcing his wife.

[Anonymous No.16171689]

>>16171259
>On the other side, you can read about some middle aged fag who meanders between masturbation sessions, a meaningless job and pounders divorcing his wife.
What the fuck are you reading?

[Anonymous No.16171730]

>>16168766
I did read a YA book recently to study the genre and it was quite bad. Very predictable, characters introduced all over the place. It was too much.

[Anonymous No.16171834]

>>16171689
My bad, should I reread the novel about a fainting ex student who offs a bitch and deals with his guilt and shitty family? Maybe the clustfuck about tennis, footnotes and recovering druggies? Perhaps an overly long retelling about Napoleonic wars which skips the interesting parts to focus on the marriages of Russian nobles?

[Anonymous No.16172050]

>>16168766
Yeah, it's not high art, but YA can be very useful for getting kids into reading. That said, nobody past the age of 10 should read it.
Books like the Percy Jackson series (which I read in second and third grade) are actually pretty good at getting kids interested in Greek mythology and culture, providing an incredibly rudimentary knowledge of the pantheon.

[Anonymous No.16172152]

YA is a funny world to watch from the outside. They're adults reading cliched garbage intended for children, while also getting buttdevastated whenever anyone refers to their cliched garbage as cliched garbage. At the same time they're running internecine wars trying to cancel each other over decade-old tweets and things in YA books that are considered 'problematic' this week.

[Anonymous No.16172287]

>>16171089
She's 8 bro

[Anonymous No.16172455]

>>16172287
Ok, and?

[Anonymous No.16172465]

only worthwhile light novel i have read is narita stuff like baccano and vamp and fate/zero, i don’t think there is any other author that is able to be creative with his writing and not make the mc a 15 year old highschool boy who has a harem of his teacher, sister, every girl at school and pet dog

[Anonymous No.16172468]

>>16172455
Bro she's 8

[Anonymous No.16172696]

>>16168766
Young Adult fiction has in recent years exceeded its function as a flatly inflected narrative device focused on a narrow demographic segment and now engages in some kind of symbiotic death grip with other literatures and medias. The general culture is intrigued by the lucrative territory pioneered by YA narratives, and adult-oriented narratives are accordingly becoming increasingly YA-like, with results that are aesthetically unorthodox and financially unpredictable. For example, adult narratives are becoming less desire-based and more drive-based, resulting in characters without motivations capable of ever being satisfied, characters animated only by a will to repetition, which yields denouements incapable of satisfying an audience, or at least an audience attuned to twentieth-century codes. All this ferment and upset opens unusual paths of inquiry: could one piece together an adult, “experimental” novel out of, say, YA raw material? The inverse—a YA story composed of experimental material—is not only possible but endemic among teen blockbusters, critically dismissed with the same terms once leveled at avant-garde art: incoherent, silly, reliant on cheap effects, lacking relatable psychological qualities, cynical, and confused. Everyone wants to celebrate youth’s natural creativity, but few want to admit that this is a violent and bruising creativity that ows its purity not to innocence but to a biological lack of compassion. Compassion is inimical to the creative impulse, which needs to be brutal and defiant. When children mature and develop a sense of compassion, surely something is lost.

[Anonymous No.16172950]

>>16168857
Catcher in the Rye

[Anonymous No.16173154]

YA is bad, but the sheer amount of criticism written about it is probably just youth-hatred/woman-hatred
Thrillers exist with most of the relevant criticism applying

[R. No.16173189]

>>16168974
I guess for some. Though to relate personally, reading something like Dickens or Tolstoy or Tolkien did such the same. And my flirts into the general genre of YA today only pushed this.

[Anonymous No.16173204]

>>16173189
Lots of Dickens work would count as YA if it was published today.

[R. No.16173290]

>>16173204
Well, in a sense it's already been done. Condensed versions of Dickens novels marketed at children were rather popular some years ago. Similar to what they did with plays of Shakespeare or stories from mythology. But, to his unabridged works, unless it refers to the relatively few works he wrote specifically for a younger audience, I wouldn't count them as YA whether published today or then.

[Anonymous No.16173453]

>>16173290
Take something like David Copperfield or Great Expectations, it's all basic YA fare.

[Anonymous No.16173712]

>>16172696
>Everyone wants to celebrate youth’s natural creativity, but few want to admit that this is a violent and bruising creativity that owes its purity not to innocence but to a biological lack of compassion. Compassion is inimical to the creative impulse, which needs to be brutal and defiant.

I saw a statistic that the YA market is 50% adults. I bet it's even gone higher since then, since the internet allows you to go further and further niche and you have no shortage of people looking for the quickest escape of reality.

While /lit/ is looking down on YA, at least YA is edited and marketed. It's an attempt to be professional by people who work together, they have to sell or they don't eat.

Meanwhile, if you look at webnovels which are churned out at a much higher rate, zero quality guidelines, millions upon millions of views and growing, these are truly the lowest class of reading material.

It's a race to the bottom, trying to figure out who's the most terrible at writing. We know already what it feels like to not like something. Why spend time bonding over what isn't good in the world over spending time with what is good in the world?

Because, shitting on the weak is far easier and comfortable to the people who post here. Is /lit/ truly in a place to judge? Perhaps it is only by placing themselves as judges that they maintain their interest in posting here.

[Anonymous No.16173730]

>>16168766
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: The ultimate cope!

[Anonymous No.16173732]

>>16168974
This is surely the intention but YA books are nowhere near even “base entertainment” also cant buy that when kids hundreds of years ago used to read books way higher than their intended audience and do just fine. YA books are just mostly rubbish

[Anonymous No.16173750]

>>16168859
I’m so fucking horny

[Anonymous No.16173760]

>>16170953
I wish my teacher was Aristotle as well

[Anonymous No.16173821]

>“Remember the trend of adult couple resort romcom movies? Share with me your diverse YA equivalents.” @readbystephanie #MSWL
>Though I’m still closed to queries, when I reopen I seriously want ALL the girl punk band, dreams of rocking with their idols, every kind of MG YA girl bands and shenanigans you have. I hope this video inspires you the way it has me today!! #MSWL
>My kingdom for a TIME TRAVELER'S WIFE YA novel WITH A HAPPY ENDING, ie their timelines converge and they live happily ever after #mswl
>I cannot believe that I am one day away from watching
@LovecraftHBO
. So I‘m gonna channel this energy and The Secret some stuff into the Universe: Please send all supernatural horror YA that centralizes PoC and examines racism and intersectional feminism via monsters thx!! #MSWL
>“I want to see more books across genres about woman in science/biology fields. YA, MG, PB, GN, adult, fiction, nonfiction. Send me your titles.
>You know what I would really love? A YA book version if Cabin in the Woods. #mswl
>There are not nearly enough YA mysteries in my inbox. I want stories full of secrets and intricately woven storylines with friendship/enemies/romance at the core.Think: Pretty Little Liars, One of Us is Lying, Revenge, Twisted, The Lying Game
>I'm really looking for Black witches/psychics in contemporary fantasy (adult, YA, or MG), plus size MCs, YA and adult thrillers/suspense, and please keep sending these #ownvoices LGBTQIA+ and disability rep books
>Before I close for queries tomorrow, I wanted to get out a #mswl of what I really want to see in my inbox. - Authors of underrepresented communities (POC, LGBTQIA+, body, neuro, disabled) - Fat girl stories where their weight is not the plot. - MG and YA horror.

yeah, YA fiction is not just bad, it's bottom of the barrel.

[Anonymous No.16175281]

>>16173712
nice redit spacing

[Anonymous No.16175820]

>>16173821
>fat girl stories where their weight is not the plot
>LaQuanza opened the door with her fat fingers and fatly squeeze through the double doorway. She waddled to the cash register, each step a resonating thud, and ordered 3 large milkshakes with her fat belly sticking out from under her shirt. "LAQUANZA LOVE MILKSHAKE" she uttered fatly as she pushed all three straws into her mouth and fatly sucked them down her fat neck into her fat stomach

[Anonymous No.16175828]

>>16172468
>>16172287
Imagine being this unfunny

[Anonymous No.16175845]

>>16168859
Also fuck this fucking sardonic nigger board. The source of that image is Zaregoto and it’s available on Nyaa

[Anonymous No.16175912]

>tfw my sister is 30 and only reads/has only read YA books
>she's obsessed with fantasy and theater and dressing up and her shelves are covered in thousands of different books with basically the same plot
>she is an incredibly frightened person and only sees the world through the lens of her fears and her own (imagined) victimhood
is she THE prototypical adult YA reader?

[Anonymous No.16175961]

To each their own when it comes to what they read, but seriously, how is the amount of people well into adulthood who read YA exclusively so high? What does YA really have to offer beyond conveyance of surface level morality? Isn't that why it's marketed towards children?

[Anonymous No.16175989]

>>16175961
why are comic book films the most popular types of films among adults? they are simple, unchallenging narratives that unfold without much complications, featuring quips and other nonsense where the good guys win and i don't have to reflect too much about my own life or about what i'm doing with myself.

it's media for bored cowards.

[Anonymous No.16176004]

>>16168766
YA isn't bad. However, if all you read is YA and you're past the age of 18, you're an underdeveloped retard.

[Anonymous No.16176021]

>>16175989
I just would think that one eventually reaches a point where YA doesn't meet the mark anymore, and comes to the realization that there's more out there. Maybe I give people too much credit or my expectations are too high.

[Anonymous No.16176058]

>>16176021
you're assuming:
1. that people read (the enormous majority of people don't)
2. that those who read YA eventually will grow tired of it (in reality there are so many iterations of the same plots and ideas that you could -- assuming you read slowly -- never run out).

Eventually, those who read YA do start to incorporate a little bit of diversity: they'll get into theater (and inevitably Shakespeare – not so much because of his themes or prose, but rather because the words are cool and they get to continue being "lit chicks" if they do that).

Notice I used the term "lit chick" because, in my experience, adult YA readers are OVERWHELMINGLY female (males don't read at all).

[Anonymous No.16176149]

>>16175828
Bro you are literally mentally ill

[Anonymous No.16176151]

>>16168766
I work at a public library and some really good stuff gets retroactively labeled YA, like Lewis Carroll, The Wind in the Willows, and Lord of the Flies, among others.

But, there is a tidal wave of garbage YA books currently being written and consumed that are generally written by middle aged women, they are ostensibly YA but are predominantly checked out by other adult women. Usually they have what looks like a teen Abercrombie model on the front, and it’s either a plot with werewolves, vampires, and other fantasy cliches (Sarah J. Maas is a popular one), or it’s about falling in love with chad on summer vacation in an idyllic setting (Sarah Dessen is like a drug for these types of readers). Those books can be psychologically damaging IMO and are total fluff.

[Anonymous No.16177624]

Is Adrian Mole YA? If so then not all YA is bad

[Anonymous No.16178626]

>>16175912
>only sees the world through the lens of her fears and her own (imagined) victimhood
>imagine being related to MAGA human garbage

[Anonymous No.16178654]

>>16168835

[Anonymous No.16179964]

>>16171834
>the guy who tried to defend YA and then discredit serious literature as “boomer rambling” doesn’t like War and Peace
Why am I not in the least bit surprised. You can go back to r/books now the jig is up

[Anonymous No.16180057]

>>16179964
>discredit serious literature as “boomer rambling”
Reading comprehension, my midwit friend, do you have it?

I don't want to discredit anything. It's not my business to sperg over others like or dislike. The point about "boomer rambling" is specifically about the limited scope and approach of the story, which makes a lot of so called "serious" books less interesting for ME.

Besides, War and Peace is far weaker than that one with trains and the author self-insert rambling on about farming either way. But both are significant books and most people would probably be better off reading them … it's just also understandable that a lot people who care more about the story than the writing, won't find much enjoyment in either.

[Anonymous No.16180234]

>>16168835
This is well crafted and I appreciate you. Please take my (You).

[Anonymous No.16180255]

Young-adult just means books for 12-16 year olds that are easy for movie studios to adapt into cash grabs, building a symbiotic relationship between the movie sales and the book sales. It doesn't mean they're "bad" but they are just pretty average books designed for kids. There's very little reason to bother with them if you're over 16 years old.

[Anonymous No.16180257]

>>16176004
Correct

So what's some decent YA, /lit/? I remember pic related being enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.16180790]

>>16180255
YA may be classified as being written for teens, but most of its consumers are women in their 30s and 40s. I wonder whether it's part of some midlife crisis that these readers feel the need to crawl back into the comfort of cliche-ridden stories about teenagers.

[Anonymous No.16181045]

>>16168835
**tips fedora** have some gold, kind stranger

[Anonymous No.16181053]

>>16168766
/Lit/ is a non-fiction only board. GTFO

[Anonymous No.16181060]

YA is a nice comfy easy read

[Anonymous No.16181067]

>>16168835
>>16168959
>>16169935
>>16169973
>>16170478
>>16170953
>>16175281

[Anonymous No.16181176]

>>16171138
>while the exception does not make the rule, the existence of the exception discredits blanket statements
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.16181251]

>>16176151
>Lord of the Flies
I only watched a movie based on that, but it didn't feel YA at all.

[Anonymous No.16181261]

>>16180790
I mean imagine being old and losing the only merit you ever had (your youthful features which make men into your playthings). You would want to relive your glory days too.

[Anonymous No.16181294]

>>16175820
i knew a girl like this

[Anonymous No.16181318]

Discworld is YA right?

[Anonymous No.16181381]

>>16180234
>>16181045
Edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

[Anonymous No.16181955]

>>16181318
Arguably Equal Rites and Tiffany whatever (I don't remember those titles since I never read them).

[Anonymous No.16181985]

>>16173154
That is correct Thrillers aren't as influental as YA literature in dominating pop culture and public discussion. It's not 2012 anymore where nobody gives a fuck about SJWs. One shouldn't oberstate the importance of twitter mobs but YA literature is still of great importance to these people, who seem to make a greater share in the media companies. Nobody cares about thrillers since they are being read by older people, usually above 40
The smartphone killed the book lol.
Nobody cares about old people. They live their often shitty lives and are not going to be formed or pushed to greater heights.
Fuck the old, only the young people matter and it has always been that way.
Yes, western democracy with its demographics where the median (!) is above 45-55 years is an anomaly. if I could I would still prefer influence over young people over old people.
Not just that, it's a big business. Rowling became of billionaire through her Harry Potter series in 2004 according to Forbes though not to Rowling herself. That was one year after she released the goblet of fire book and same year the 3rd movie, prisoner of Azkaban appeared in the cinemas. At that point the immense merchandise universe with Lego sets and other shitty plastic toys was already running. I remember being a child back then and feeling shame for my peers, buying and wishing for that crap.

[Anonymous No.16182008]

>>16181985
>That is correct
I didn't finish the sentence: what you (>>16173154)
write is in so far correct, as that the hate for YA on 4chan is motivated by a disappointment in the consumption habbits of women.

[Anonymous No.16182325]

>>16168766
>YA bad
By that people refer to mediocre fantasy novels marketed at children and teenagers written in the last 40 years. Most people like Tom Sawyer, the Hobbit, the jungle book by Kipling, books by Jules Verne, Dickens, etc.
Contemporary fantasy YA novels like Eragon have the same structure and little variance in their plots.
For me it's reading a long daydream of a typical teenager that is unhappy with his life and is living his power fantasy where he is free of the influence/control of his parents, gets strong, cool, gets new skills, new cool and strong friends, a hot virgin gf/bf. At the end they defeat the evil, save the world and become popular. It's a power fantasy and nothing more, like a fanfiction. But since it made a lot of money (see here >>16181985) even really bad novels have been published and marketed at children of which few have some kind of sense for quality.
Most are, probably due to the influence of LotR if at all only good at worldbuilding. The story is simple and reduced, since the authors are hacks. I cannot remember a fantasy YA novel where the parents of the protagonist were regularly dealing with their child and forming him. The authors seem to be uncapable of that, maybe because they cannot described complex relationships, maybe because they see their parents as some kind of oppressors that hinder them in the development to become strong, cool, skilled and popular. A non-parent is becoming the father/mentor figure. Usually they have the parents killed before the start of the story or if not then rather early. At least one is dead and the living one is rather like some kind of grandparent. The classics often suffer from that problem as well.
These novels are like sweets where the kids can eat a lot until it is bloated.
The readers imagine themselves to be the protagonist and read it to have a virtual power process. The protagonist solves a task, gets rewarded and so do the readers in their mind. These teach very little.They don't teach creativity, how to handle relationships, deal with the other sex, become a better person or becoming more adventurous. Not even warnings of what to look out for. All the good books I read had parts where the author wanted to share his wisdom with his readers, sometimes spoken clearly by a character or from the off. Sometimes just through the plot, showing what is happening.
The neverending story (the book of course, forget the movie) is a great deconstruction of the power fantasy in the YA novel.

[Anonymous No.16182397]

>>16182325
Based qualityposter

[Anonymous No.16183473]

>>16182325
>They don't teach creativity, how to handle relationships, deal with the other sex, become a better person or becoming more adventurous. Not even warnings of what to look out for.
No book is going to teach you basic human behavior.

[Anonymous No.16183518]

>>16183473
cringe bugman

[Anonymous No.16183550]

>>16183518
That's rich coming from someone who's looking for self help advice in fiction.

[Anonymous No.16183815]

>>16183550
The guy who replied to you wasn't me but I do have learned a few things in fiction books. Usually they are not very dense in advices, but it was easy for me to see them in Hesse's books and there were a few in Tolstoi as well.
There was a thread a few days ago and one anon citted the closing paragraph from Gatsby
>And as I sat there brooding on the old, unknown world, I thought of Gatsby’s wonder when he first picked out the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock. He had come a long way to this blue lawn and his dream must have seemed so close that he could hardly fail to grasp it. He did not know that it was already behind him, somewhere back in that vast obscurity beyond the city, where the dark fields of the re-public rolled on under the night.Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter—tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther.... And one fine morning——So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
I tend to set bookmarks for these kind of parts.

>>16183473
I disagree.
First I do think that books can teach basic human behaviour. Why not? They can teach people complicated theories, different languages, difficult methods and much more with books. People with autism are capable of understanding basic human behaviour in retrospective. Go to r9k or reddit for confirmation. Maybe these people didn't read books but blog posts or threads on forums but that doesn't matter for the argument.
Second many people fail in what you describe as 'basic human behaviour' and have no idea how to do these things so they get what they want and live how they want. All these points you quoted are very complex.
Being creative, being successful with the other sex, improving onself instead of stagnating are not skills that everybody has by growing up. About teaching basic behaviour: Look at the PUA scene. They have written lots of books and helped horribly desperate losers by explaining female behaviour to them and given tipps and advices how to do it. Most people never paid these 'gurus' to go out with them and learned just by reading the books.

[Anonymous No.16183833]

>>16168859
Most are trash but there's a couple of good ones. Nisioisin really is the king of the genre.

[Anonymous No.16183842]

>>16173760
We all know that feel.

[Anonymous No.16183872]

YA promotes mental illness

>>16171834
I like how that anon so easily wiped out your strawman just by asking you to source it that you started googling the plots of books you've never read just to bitch about them.

[Anonymous No.16183954]

>>16180057
>>I don't want to discredit anything. It's not my business to sperg over others like or dislike. The point about "boomer rambling" is specifically about the limited scope and approach of the story, which makes a lot of so called "serious" books less interesting for ME.
All you did was discredit with your shitposting.

>Besides, War and Peace is far weaker than that one with trains and the author self-insert rambling on about farming either way. But both are significant books and most people would probably be better off reading them … it's just also understandable that a lot people who care more about the story than the writing, won't find much enjoyment in either.

What? War & Peace is all about the story and the writing is very sober and natural - look it up. Even the history parts. Not that the prose is bad but he hasn't that 'rich' prose were noun has an addjective and every verb an adverb. Nabokov's Glory was like that, now thinking back.

>>16183872
This.

[Anonymous No.16184180]

>>16168766
We're reading The Hunger Games for my uni class bros, kill me

[Anonymous No.16184219]

>>16176004
This 100%. Shitting on actual teenagers for reading YA is just petty, but adults are free game.

[Anonymous No.16184322]

>>16168835
>We are rereading Harry Potter, you can choose your house lol I’m a slytherin lmao.
you should have said Hufflepuff

[Anonymous No.16184333]

>>16180255
They might be marketed to teens to make women feel better but they're well within the ability of children. At 12 or 13 you should be approaching Moby Dick and literature of a similar caliber, not slumming it in YA.

[Anonymous No.16185468]

>>16184180
Fuck I remember when that happened to me, too. They gave a class full of girls a choice between a genuine classic (although I don't remember what it was) and disposable trash. Teaching is a fucking joke profession.

[Anonymous No.16185503]

>>16185468
same, in high school there was an arthoe classmate who wanted the rest of us to read harry potter because she didn´t want to read Geoffrey Chaucer, that happened 5 years ago tho

[Anonymous No.16185822]

>>16168806
A hero.

[Anonymous No.16186240]

>>16168806
Brave

[Anonymous No.16187719]

>>16183954
>All you did was discredit with your shitposting.
Work on your reading comprehension then. It's really tragic if someone who raves about "serious" literatures struggles with a shitpost.
>he hasn't that 'rich' prose were noun has an addjective and every verb an adverb.
That'd be purple prose, not rich prose. Whatever "rich" prose is even supposed to be for you. And sure, it's not purple in W&P (nor in most respectable works) but who even mentioned the prose?
>War & Peace is all about the story
Right but again not a point anyone disputed. Now compare the scale of achievements of the characters and their stories to the average YA protagonist. "Inherit money and marry some chick", "gamble away your money and marry some chick" or "marry off your daughters" doesn't quite compare to "teenage girl becomes the leader/figure head of a rebellion" or "teenage boy becomes the main target for wizard hitler". Napoleon would be the only character worthy of focus if W&P was supposed to compete with some random YA novel on story.

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>>16175820

Can you make LaQuanza a supernatural creature of some sort anon? Preferably one who is breaking down barriers in a STEM field. If so I have a publishing contract for you.