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[Anonymous No.16163764]

Does Virtue result in Happiness or does Happiness result in Virtue?

Do you take the side of Nietzsche or the Church on this one?

[Anonymous No.16163776]

>>16163764
That's not what Nietzsche said, but I take the Church on this. As would any honourable Greek, such as Socrates and Plato.

[Anonymous No.16163782]

>>16163764
>Un-melanated Christ

[Anonymous No.16163783]

>>16163776
>That's not what Nietzsche said
That's exactly what he said:
>A well-constituted human being, a ‘happy one, must perform certain actions and instinctively shrinks from other actions … [H]is virtue is the consequence of his happiness..

[Anonymous No.16163794]

Church.

[Anonymous No.16163946]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqGdCbGzJ9A

[Anonymous No.16163954]

"the human good turns out to be the soul's activity that expresses virtue." -Aristotle

Aristotle tells us that happiness is not only something that we receive, but it is also something we achieve. Many of us hope that circumstances will line up and deliver us the kind of happiness we desire from our jobs, houses, spouses, or that lucky lottery ticket. Aristotle has a different prescription for true happiness. He agrees that we need some good fortune to be happy, but there is something else that is essential for happiness.

For Aristotle, the life of virtue is crucial for human happiness. When we are just, kind, courageous, generous, and wise, we experience deep satisfaction and fufillment that is available in no other way. How do we become this kind of person? For Aristotle, becoming a good person is a lot like becoming good at anything else. It takes practice.

If you want to achieve athletic excellence in a particular sport, you practice, with the right equipment, and with the right coach. Similarly, if you want to achieve moral excellence and be truly happy, you must practice the virtues. Do you want to be generous? Then go perform generous actions and you will become a generous person. To do this, you also need virtuous friends who share your view of the good life; and you need the right coach, a moral exemplar to imitate as you seek to become good. Over time, you develop virtuous habits and when you are truly virtuous, you are generally truly happy.

True happiness, then, is a matter of who we are, rather than what happens to us.

[Anonymous No.16163977]

>>16163764
Virtue? Happiness?
Big mistakes.
Go with the flow.

[Anonymous No.16163983]

The joy of the world is hollow, but the joy of the Lord is rich and abundant. The world’s happiness will fade with time, but God’s people will be happy forever.

“Those the LORD has rescued will return. They will enter Zion with singing; everlasting joy will crown their heads. Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away” (Isaiah 35:10).

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I take the side of the garden

[Anonymous No.16164021]

>>16163977
hedonists are truly cancer

[Anonymous No.16164346]

>>16164021
>using words at random

[Anonymous No.16164616]

Whether one or the other, the pursuit thereof is a path of concentrated rewiring of daily habits. A lack of instant gratification and comfort.

The whole Christian aspect of virtue is why it is described in Jesus’ words as a grain of mustard seed, a fig tree, good crops, good trees, corrupt trees, corrupt fruits. The small humble seed will grow unto a mighty tree indeed for fowls of the air to lodge in it’s branches, such is the kingdom of heaven.

This is also strikingly similar to the growth of neurons and the neural network in the brain. The myelin sheath will continue to thicken with rehearsal habitual ways to conduct electrical neural pulses quicker. The dendrites only branch with challenging or novel activity with what Vygotsky called the ‘Zone of Proximal Development’ where actual learning occurs with a more capable peer.

Just as our brains physiologically grow with learning likewise does the soul with planting seeds of virtue.

[Anonymous No.16164749]

I take the side of the gods on this one, as on any issue