/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16148616]

What would literature be like if we didn't have to suffer through 2000 years of Christian ignorance?

[Anonymous No.16148639]

the same, but brainlets would be whining about Mithraists or Sol Invictists instead of Christians

[Anonymous No.16148641]

>>16148616
source: bro trust me

[Anonymous No.16148656]

>>16148616
Very eurocentric graph, its author should be cancelled

[Anonymous No.16148665]

>>16148616
what would literatures be like if we didnt have to suffer the bronze age collapse?

[Anonymous No.16148666]

>>16148616
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.16148675]

>>16148666
where should i start with the finns bro?

[Anonymous No.16148677]

>>16148666
What happened to Maldek?

[Anonymous No.16148678]

>>16148616
Not everyone can be Aristotle or Marcus Aurelius. Furthermore, saying that Christianity backtracked human progress is a fucking joke. Christianity was born of Greek philosophy.
The real problem is the rise of Islam that caused massive wars and destruction.

[Anonymous No.16148700]

>>16148616
>What is Asia

[Anonymous No.16148703]

There was no gap during the bronze age collapse? Wht a shitty chart.

[Anonymous No.16148713]

>>16148665
FUCKING (((SEA PEOPLE)))
LIKE THEY'RE EVEN PEOPLE

[Anonymous No.16148715]

>>16148678
gay take. it was due to the collapse of complex government and systems. thats the problem with having one interconnected empire that runs virtually all civilzed areas.

also, where do the numbers for >>16148616
come from? do they also follow along with the collapse of large population areas like cities? i know this is about thread btw.

[Anonymous No.16148731]

>>16148675
The Kalevala of course

[Anonymous No.16148744]

>>16148666
I still can't believe that the fins lost Iserlohn Fortress to the koreans after a hundred year stalemate

[Anonymous No.16148754]

>>16148616

[Anonymous No.16148757]

>christian painstakingly devote their lives to preserving knowledge, higher culture and civilization in the chaos of the collapse of the roman empire
>years later vulnerable easily influenced teenagers with a hatred for authority blame them for being held back from their utopia which consists of collecting funko pops and putting stuff in their assholes

[Anonymous No.16148773]

>>16148757
Someone please link that picture with the greentexting monk who has to go to Rome to make a copy of the book that a random seanigger viking raid burnt to ashes in his village.

[Anonymous No.16148779]

>>16148773
nvm I'm blind >>16148754

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16148799]

>>16148703
This. Sure it’s a chart for “scientific advancement”, but still.

[Anonymous No.16148850]

>>16148799
what does “scientific advancement” even mean? how do you categorize and quantify it?

[Anonymous No.16148857]

>>16148850
y axis

[Anonymous No.16148890]

>>16148666
Is this real?

[Anonymous No.16148894]

>>16148677
Mysterious plague ravaged the population from delving too far into scientific research and going mad from power as a result. Planet was hydrogen bombed and created the current Asteroid belt

[Anonymous No.16148900]

>>16148857
doesnt really answer my question. what is one unit of scientific advancement?

[Anonymous No.16148903]

>>16148900
one y axis increase

[Anonymous No.16148909]

>>16148890
yes
You really think people would just go on the internet and lie? Especially on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.16148919]

>>16148850
you can't quantify it unless you first know what science is.

[Anonymous No.16148937]

That image is so eurocentric it hurts.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16148938]

>>16148850
>>16148890
They’re cheap bait.

[Anonymous No.16148945]

>>16148903
Baste

[Anonymous No.16148964]

>>16148666
100% based

[Anonymous No.16149000]

>>16148937
>>16148656
>>16148700
>>16148703
>These guys falling for the "eurocentric" bashing view meme that fails to mention the real truth >>16148666

[Anonymous No.16149008]

>>16149000
I mean, maybe if the Middle East, China, and the good parts of India also had a dark age, it would be an accurate graph.

[Anonymous No.16149027]

>>16148656

Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.16149162]

>>16148754
Insanely based

[Anonymous No.16149180]

>Christian
You mean Jewish. Jesus was a kike.

[Anonymous No.16149218]

>>16149180
yes and eddy Murphy is black what's your point

[Anonymous No.16149340]

Fuck science desu. It will only contribute to the downfall of humanity

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16149399]

>>16149340
>fuck Captain Crunch cereal. It will only contribute to the downfall of humanity
That’s how you sound.

[Anonymous No.16149436]

>>16149340
nice fit

>>16149399
shit fit

[Anonymous No.16149520]

>>16149399
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL XD

[Anonymous No.16150094]

>>16148616
There were no dark ages. If there were, you could prove it by showing me that India and China are 2000 years ahead of Europe. They aren't.

[Anonymous No.16150156]

>>16149340
based

[Anonymous No.16150246]

The scientific advancements of the renaissance wouldn't have been possible without the background of mediaeval inventions and scholarship. The Romans didn't do any science either. Technology isn't science; if it were, you would have to call mediaeval military advancements (cast iron, cannons, ships, longbows), civil engineering (water and wind mills), the invention of the compass and gothic architecture science.

[Anonymous No.16150255]

>>16148666
Hahaha what the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.16150258]

>>16148616
We'd be like china. 2000 years of retards commenting on the homer.

[Anonymous No.16150276]

>>16148616
unuronically the worst graph I've ever fucking seen. end yourself for being this stupid

[Anonymous No.16150289]

>>16150094
Based retard, doesn't understand history whatever

[Anonymous No.16150298]

>>16148675
Moomin :DD

[Anonymous No.16150299]

at any rate we are blessed to live in a time where we can shitpost our lives away with fellow retards on 4chan

[Anonymous No.16150327]

>>16148754
>>16148757
If Christianity were really this vehicle for enlightenment and truth-searching, why did it take so long for us to invent trains, electricity, internet, technology, etc.? And why did all of these important inventions come AFTER the Enlightenment, which was basically a rebellion against strict religious influences.

[Anonymous No.16150337]

>>16150327
Explain to me what strict religious influences have to do with humanity's belated invention of trains. Science and technology evolved throughout the Middle Ages and the Renaissance too, you know?

[Anonymous No.16150354]

>>16150337
I just don't understand why these things weren't invented a lot earlier. Why only after the enlightenment do we see this huge spike in technological advancement? Did people suddenly get smarter, or can it be explained by an ideological shift?

[Anonymous No.16150581]

>tfw got burned at the stake because my astronomy research didn't align with the churches dogma
>tfw half a millenia later brainwashed christfags think that the church was concerned with advancing human knowledge

[Anonymous No.16150645]

The Church did halt science and that was a good thing.

[Anonymous No.16150675]

Thanks science, very cool. The world needs a Canticle for Leibowitz tier simplification because the only thing the enlightenment did was rationalize bad ideas. Demons openly walk among us and nobody blinks.

[Anonymous No.16150687]

>>16150581
>pop history understanding of the world

[Anonymous No.16150702]

>>16150354
The limits of extensive expansion in Europe forced intensive improvement in order to feed the growing population, and the landed gentry & merchant traders entered into economic rather than military competition with one another in response. The enlightenment was a post facto justification of the killing of god that this process entailed.

[Anonymous No.16150710]

>>16150354
>>16150327
idk i think a more probable cause is the politico—urban shift after the barbarian invasions. not many industrial scale advances happen when your biggest town is a few thousand people due to germanic tribal norms. i think thats a lot more coherent of an explanation than dogma and religion.

also, on the topic of it, the enlightenment was also the time of great cebtralization in government abd city building, so people had the human, intellectual,material, and logistical abilities to actually make great advancements. i think you are looking at correlation rather than causation bud.

[Anonymous No.16150713]

>>16148616
It depends. If Christianity never existed does that mean Islam also never existed? Because if Islam went unopposed during the dark ages and the renaissance we'd all be reading the Quran right now and the western canon wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.16150719]

>>16148616
You know that monks and scientists back then were christians yes?
So, a lot of the scientific knowledge we have now (like the earth revolving around the sun) came from them, even though people like to believe in the opposite.

[Anonymous No.16150744]

>Christian Dark Ages

literally never happened lol

[Anonymous No.16150763]

>>16148678
Christians in the Latin West pretty much obliterated pagan literature until the Renaissance. Byzantines preserved a lot of it, but also had a shaky relationship with it to a point that for a time Neoplatonists left to the middle east. This was eventually reconciled though, and many went back. The Islamic world was making pretty big advances because of their preservation and study of Greek philosophy, but around the 1100s-1200s they began a more fundamentalist trend in Islamic culture that more closely resembled the Catholics, and they stagnated ever since. Once the Byzantines fell and Greek philosophy was being spread in the Latin speaking West again this marked the beginning of the end for the Catholic church.

[Anonymous No.16150889]

>>16148857
>>16148903
Based

[Anonymous No.16150934]

>>16148903
ok i understand now, thanks for qualifying.

[Anonymous No.16150954]

>>16148744
Both sides had plenty of blunders. The excelled in science but to call them intelligent is a bit of a stretch.

[Anonymous No.16150963]

>>16150327
Underage hands wrote this post.

[Anonymous No.16150966]

>>16150744
It was the most destructive period in history with respect to human knowledge. And it lasted for more than a thousand years.

[Anonymous No.16151081]

>>16150687
cringe

[Anonymous No.16151121]

>>16150702
>>16150710
Delightfully based

[Anonymous No.16151194]

>>16150710
Cities existed in the middle ages. Intellectuals, by and large, did not.

[Anonymous No.16151618]

>>16150645
We must return to monke

[Anonymous No.16151627]

>>16150966
Well, pagans should have kept their birth rates up instead of being abortionists and homosexuals, womp womp to you

[Anonymous No.16151677]

>>16150966
That's kind of Eurocrentic, buddy. The muslim, Hindu, sub-Saharan animist, indigenous American, and confucian civilizations weren't affected by it. Are you saying human knowledge is centered in Europe or something? Implicit bias much? I bet this guy thinks he's woke too.

[Anonymous No.16151693]

>>16150744
This.

[Anonymous No.16151702]

>>16148656
Thats actually true. Just because europe was in the dark ages doesn't mean Arabia, china or india were

[Anonymous No.16151718]

>>16148616
how does one measure scientific advancement?

[Anonymous No.16151748]

>>16150966
You know that Newton was a christfag and a exoteric autist at that, right?

[Anonymous No.16151751]

>>16148616
Brainlet take right here, that Christianity is at all responsible for the intellectual 'poverty' of the Middle Ages.

[Anonymous No.16151787]

>>16148666
>African proto-kangdoms
everytime

[Anonymous No.16151816]

>>16151748
Wrong thread, christcuck.

[Anonymous No.16151821]

>>16151751
>i-it's just a coincidence
fuck off

[Anonymous No.16151826]

>>16151816
Looks like I struck a nerve lmao, cope harder brainlet.

[Anonymous No.16151878]

>>16151826
Do you know when Newton was born, smoothbrain? Tough question for you, I know.

[Anonymous No.16151888]

We would still have about 90 to 99 procent of all of Latin literature, for one

[Anonymous No.16152037]

>>16148757
>christianity does an okay job (not really even) of rote transcription in the ruins of higher civilizations it replaced in favor of inbred effete bourgeois and bureaucratic church virgins sperging against each other for centuries
>years later self-deluded reactionaries with delusions of grandeur about da west praise them for only losing all the ancient texts they did in their sometimes moderate iconoclasm and producing like one good mind per century in fields other than squaring christian law with the natural world

[Anonymous No.16152038]

>>16148616
Even for a bait thread, the quality of discussion here is poor. The answer is simple: yes, Christians understood that academia was a threat to their hegemony, writers and philosophers have been savaging Christianity as soon as it began. That said, the Church did not wholly destroy all academic institutions, generally speaking, they tried to control them. Institutions that were prepared to make Christian theology the main focus of their curricula were encouraged by the church. However, original research was strongly discouraged because it led people away from Christian mythology. But the Church was willing to violate this principle whenever there was extreme pressure on them; hence, some fields, such as Military Engineering continued to see regular advancements, because the church did not want to make enemies of the armed forces.

[Anonymous No.16152050]

>>16152038
western academia literally is the church, they founded the universities

[Anonymous No.16152070]

>>16149008
The European dark age is also highly exaggerated in length since by the 600s the Carolingians were in charge and the graph was going up again. Knowledge was lost but less than Reddit atheists and Enlightenment nerds want to think

>>16152050
Correct
>>16152038
lol

[Anonymous No.16152071]

>>16152050
Blast it all, if only I'd addressed that hoary old chestnut, but HARK! What's this? I did!

> the Church did not wholly destroy all academic institutions, generally speaking, they tried to control them. Institutions that were prepared to make Christian theology the main focus of their curricula were encouraged by the church. However, original research was strongly discouraged because it led people away from Christian mythology.

If you don't understand something, read it again and keep reading it until you do understand.

[Anonymous No.16152078]

>>16152071
>I mean yes Christianity literally created the modern Western academy but uhh they guided people's studies so I can still be wistful about "ugh...what might have been..."
Haha, fag.

[Anonymous No.16152079]

>>16152071
That is not what I said though, you make it sound like the Church absorbed them. The Church created them, and they did shitloads of original research for centuries

[Anonymous No.16152117]

>>16152078
Are you even paying attention? Saying "Western academia is Christian academia because the church founded the universities" is about as accurate as saying "Soviet academia is Russian academia because the Soviet Union founded the universities". The church founded universities for the same reason any other dictatorship does, it's easier to gain control of the systems of education then it is to stamp them out.
>>16152079
>The Church created them,
See the attached metaphor, the Soviet Union created the entire public education system is Russia, prior to the Union Russia had no public education. They did so for the same reason the church did, controlling education is easier then eradicating it.

>and they did shitloads of original research for centuries

As I said, the Church would bow to external pressure and would permit research in certain areas, such as Military Engineering. But in general, they took a suspicious attitude to research and for good reason. Once the educational systems began moving away from an explicitly Christian perspective it resulted in a major theological crisis that's still on-going to some extent today.

[Anonymous No.16152126]

>>16152117
>the Soviet Union created the entire public education system is Russia, prior to the Union Russia had no public education.
This is not true though, they had been creating a public education system for a few decades.

And you can't eradicate something that doesn't exist. They didn't control the academy, they created it.

[Anonymous No.16152130]

>>16152117
... dont see your point. it would be fine to say they were in part soviet universities. its not a all or nothing kinda thing.

[Anonymous No.16152140]

>>16151081
dilate

[Anonymous No.16152144]

Read this.

[Anonymous No.16152149]

>>16151878
but that does not refute original post dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.16152151]

>>16152117
So your problem is just that hegemonic narratives exist, whether that be communism or Christianity?
Okay, retard.

[Anonymous No.16152156]

>>16152144
And this.

[Anonymous No.16152166]

>>16151821
keep seething tranny
>>16152037
nice r*ddit tier knowledge of history faggot

[Anonymous No.16152174]

>>16152130
>It is sensible to attribute to an ideological tradition things that are contrary to it, provided they occur in the very base time and place of it

[Anonymous No.16152177]

Atheists make fun of this stupid graph now but they all unironically posted it at one point

[Anonymous No.16152184]

>>16152126
I'm aware that the metaphor is not perfect. What I'm trying to establish is that the church did not create the concept of "academia", it predates the church. Many of the universities in Europe and Britain were founded by the church, but they were founded out of a desire to keep the church staffed with scribes and to prevent competing philosophies from establishing educational facilities. They were not founded out of a love of learning for learning's sake.
>>16152130
The motivations of the founding and the historical context are the point. The Soviets were adapting the pre-existing idea of public education to create a tool of social control, just as the church was. Neither party had a genuine interest in intellectual exercise, they merely saw it as a useful tool of social manipulation I think it's disingenuous to credit the church as the progenitor of the modern idea of academia.
>>16152151
The truth does not fear examination. Why are you Christians always so foul mouthed, anyway? Are you following the precedent set by Yahweh?

[Anonymous No.16152198]

>>16152166
I'm 14 and listen to reactionaries, what are lost works and the several iconoclasms

[Anonymous No.16152206]

>>16152184
>but they were founded out of a desire to keep the church staffed with scribes and to prevent competing philosophies from establishing educational facilities. They were not founded out of a love of learning for learning's sake.
I think you're being a bit unfair. There was certainly an element of religious dogma at play but it was part of the whole Christian outlook to uncover the laws of nature as God had created them.

[Anonymous No.16152222]

>>16152198
Your new is showing faggot.
Lost works are common in history to any society. Iconoclasms mostly damaged christian art.
Christian monks literally strengthened the foundation of western society.

[Anonymous No.16152229]

>>16152206
That's how some individual Christian scientists saw it. But that's not the traditional Christian view, nor was that the majority view. Many Christian thinkers thought it was arrogant of man to pry into the mysteries of nature.

[Anonymous No.16152242]

>>16152149
Of course it does, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.16152243]

>>16152242
it does not fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.16152248]

>>16152243
Newton was born in 1642, well after the start of the Renaissance. Stop doubling down on your retardation.

[Anonymous No.16152256]

>>16152222
The centuries long process of Christianization where the foundations of Antiquity in the East and West were let to decay and once expanding outward the primarily oral traditions of Northern Europeans was damaged Christian art.

[Anonymous No.16152387]

>>16148666
Who were the PIE peoples?

[Anonymous No.16152408]

>>16152140
Have sex

[Anonymous No.16152409]

>>16152387
They are the "Proto-Indo-European peoples", they are real, but the "Hyper war" is not.

[Anonymous No.16152427]

>>16152409
This is not the board for historical revisionism.

[Anonymous No.16152435]

>>16152409
Sure now you're going to try to discredit ot by labeling it a "conspiracy theory". We're on to your Neanderthal ways.

[Anonymous No.16152445]

>>16152427
>thinks proto-indo-european is made up by /pol/

put down the soi and read a book

[Anonymous No.16152448]

>>16148678
So wrong. Islam is the only thing that preserved greek philosophy. Roman greed and decadence collapsed them and Christian faulty, unstable dogmas caused its own internal collapse.

[Anonymous No.16152452]

>>16152427
Permit me to rephrase my remark: "The Hyper War may or may not be real, but there's no way to know. The powerful "Anti-Hyper-War" lobby keeps sabotaging the archaeological expeditions".
>>16152435
I'm not a Hyper War-Denier, I swear.

[Anonymous No.16152457]

>>16152448
All the Greek shit was still preserved in the Greek speaking city of Constantinople

[Anonymous No.16152460]

>>16148744
Nice.

[Anonymous No.16152464]

>>16152445
You should be ashamed of yourself be for being so stupid.

[Anonymous No.16152468]

>>16152464
yeah, i don't go on /pol/ i didn't realize it was some gay thing from them my bad

[Anonymous No.16152496]

>>16152468
What the fuck are you even talking about? You are dumb. At least have the decency to be quiet.

[Anonymous No.16152498]

>>16152184
I'm not actually a Christian, I just like them.
And how do you feel about examining the Holocaust, or hegemonic liberal narratives, if you're so interested in uncovering the truth?

[Anonymous No.16152549]

>>16152498
I think everything should be examined. I have as much disdain for the mythologisation of the Holocaust and for the modern cult of "feelings over facts" as I do for Christian revisionism. I recognise the fact that most people don't feel this way and that there's never going to be a society full of hyper-rational sceptics who question everything they hear, but I think there's a spectrum of possibilities between total fantasy and total rationality and I think mainstream society can be a lot closer to reality then it currently is.

[Anonymous No.16152604]

>>16152549
I think that mythic structures in society are important and valuable as long as they're positive (which I regard Christianity as) but I respect that take. Within an academic setting there's value in that kind of total emphasis on material reality.

[Anonymous No.16152630]

>>16150327
If Christianity were a retardant to technological progress, why is it non-christian regions of the world hadn't continued advancing at a standard or rapid pace independent of Christianity? Why didn't the Chinese invent trains, or electricity, or internet?

[Anonymous No.16152637]

>>16152248
Renaissance was influenced by Christianity

[Anonymous No.16152665]

>>16152637
Wrong thread, moron.

[Anonymous No.16152684]

>>16148616
How big will the modern science downfall be as a result of progressivism, feminism and diversity hiring?

[Anonymous No.16152685]

>>16152665
no it's not brainlet

[Anonymous No.16152694]

>>16148666
>That moment when Khan Pekka XIII broke through the ranks of the Jedi-Knights and routed the whole Hwan army with his merciless Mammoth-cavalry charge while screaming "HAKKA PELLE POIKKA!"
pure fucking kino right there

[Anonymous No.16152696]

>>16152685
Yes, it is. Newton was born in 1642.

[Anonymous No.16152700]

>>16152256
they were not "let" to decay retard. Collapse of Rome was cataclysmic and it affected many things, including preservation of antique art.

[Anonymous No.16152726]

>>16152408
kull yourself tranny
>>16152696
does not matter his believes were founded on middle age christianity faggot.

[Anonymous No.16152727]

>>16150581
Copernicus was a Catholic priest

[Anonymous No.16152760]

>>16150763
>Once the Byzantines fell and Greek philosophy was being spread in the Latin speaking West again
Greek Philosophy was being spread in the Latin speaking West hundreds of years before the fall of Constantinople

[Anonymous No.16152767]

>>16152726
In your dreams, smoothbrain.

[Anonymous No.16152771]

>>16152767
nice non-argument tranny

[Anonymous No.16152778]

>>16152771
Stick to the topic on hand, cocklover. The Christian middle ages was the most destructive period in history with respect to human knowledge. And it lasted for more than a thousand years.

[Anonymous No.16152780]

>>16152778
post proof that it was most destructive dilator

[Anonymous No.16152799]

>>16152780
The period from Hypatia to Copernicus was almost entirely devoid of progress in mathematics, philosophy, and basic science. It was a desert of knowledge, more a thousand years long.

[Anonymous No.16152817]

>>16152799
Stagnation does not mean destruction dumbfuck.
Also who was Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.16152822]

>>16152778
I like how you imply all other cultures never destroyed knowledge or never had any in the first place. like there isn't a time in Chinese history known as "The burning of books and burying of scholars" and it didn't destroy anything important, especially the start of a scientific revolution with the mohists.

>>16152799
>/lit/ discusses /his/
Ha!

[Anonymous No.16152837]

>>16152817
>>16152822
Basically from the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire to the Reformation, there were no great European advances in mathematics, philosophy, and science. That's more than 1000 years of intellectual degeneration.

[Anonymous No.16152848]

>>16152837
repeating same bullshit does not mean that it's true you gigantic faggot.

[Anonymous No.16152855]

>>16148616
A lot more filth and empty critiques.

[Anonymous No.16152867]

>>16152848
"Bullshit"? Are you retarded? Read any work on intellectual history and you will notice a conspicuous thousand-year gap for Europe.

[Anonymous No.16152871]

>>16152867
post your work faggot

[Anonymous No.16152895]

>>16148616
I'll leave this one here....

[Anonymous No.16153251]

>>16152867
>can't even be arsed to read wikipedia
"Following the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the decline in knowledge of Greek, Christian Western Europe was cut off from an important source of ancient learning. Although a range of Christian clerics and scholars from Isidore and Bede to Jean Buridan and Nicole Oresme maintained the spirit of rational inquiry, Western Europe would see a period of scientific decline during the Early Middle Ages. However, by the time of the High Middle Ages, the region had rallied and was on its way to once more taking the lead in scientific discovery. Scholarship and scientific discoveries of the Late Middle Ages laid the groundwork for the Scientific Revolution of the Early Modern Period."

[Anonymous No.16153258]

>>16152727
>he thinks I am talking about Copernicus
>he thinks being a catholic priest means agreeing with the church's dogma

[Anonymous No.16153312]

>>16153251
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.16153356]

>>16153312
High middle age starts in 1000AD. The quote contradicts your assertion of nothing until 1517.

[Anonymous No.16153413]

>>16153356
No, it does not.

[Anonymous No.16153436]

>>16148616

[Anonymous No.16153496]

>hurrrr christianity da best, middle ages were totally fine, man! lots of smart people there!
>also there are literally only two medieval works of literature on our top 100 chart (both of which were in fact already anticipating the renaissance)
>t. /lit/
epic

[Anonymous No.16153520]

>>16148616
so ignorant, medieval philosophy is incredbibly valuable. it legit is the rogue place where a lot of seemingly innovative ideas have come out from in the west for a long time

[Anonymous No.16153534]

>>16153496
>on our top 100 chart
Ah yes, the one that put Infinite Jest above Don Quixote.

[Anonymous No.16153552]

>>16153534
So what are your favourite works of the medieval literary art, if you disagree with the chart?

[Anonymous No.16153579]

>>16153552
Roman de la Rose, of course.

[Anonymous No.16153584]

>>16153413
Ha, ok. Maybe pick a new hobby, not based around reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.16153605]

>>16153584
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.16153609]

>>16153579
Do you know how the plural works in the English language?

[Anonymous No.16153619]

>>16153609
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16153642]

>>16153605
Ha! I can't decide who is more amusing, you or the guy I'm force feeding carrots.

[Anonymous No.16153649]

>>16153619
Excellent.

[Anonymous No.16153822]

>>16148666
What is Mu, based Satan? Like, the Kingdom of Mu, from the Krautchan minecraft server?

[Anonymous No.16153852]

>>16153822
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=mu
fucking KCigger

[Anonymous No.16153896]

>>16148919
>Oh fug I forgot what science is
>Rereads the Republic by Plato
>Oh yeah I remember the definition for science now
>Wait fucktard greek asshole didn't tell me what the metric unit is for science
What a piece of shit I hope he's forced to resurrect as a dictator every single time he dies as described in the Story of Er

[Anonymous No.16153906]

>>16148938
Shut up Buttercup, >>16148666 is based.

[Anonymous No.16153919]

>>16149399
>tranny atheist admits muh scienza is basically captain crunch cereal
Wtf, baste?

[Anonymous No.16153933]

>>16150255
>he isn't a /his/torian
You're missing out anon, /his/ is like right behind /lit/, /out/, and /sci/ in IQ.

[Anonymous No.16153940]

>>16150289
Eggzblane

[Anonymous No.16153950]

>>16150763
Ancient Greek work of western Europe was likely scarcer due to the lack of intellectual centres in the west and the sheer destruction during the civil wars and barbarian invasions/ migrations.
The idea that Christians tore down and burned every pagan work is simply beyond credibility.

[Anonymous No.16153974]

>>16150327
The religiousness of Europe laid the groundwork for the explosion of technological development.
Now that the genetic and intellectual potential developed by the eugenic conditions of Christianity is wearing out we are seeing the slowing of the West, and likely its collapse.
>>16150581
>start teaching something without any proof
>Church asks you to stop
>Insult the Pope and God
>be surprised when they put you under house arrest
The absolute state of 'scientists'

[Anonymous No.16153983]

>>16153852
Ah yes I see, Micro Technology stock and a greek letter that I knew about.

Very interesting anon, this has definitely solved all my questions about /his/ pseudohistorical memes.

[Anonymous No.16153986]

>>16150966
Yet Western Europe was more developed than Rome during its golden age by the year 1100.
Interesting.

[Anonymous No.16153998]

>>16151194
>Intellectuals, by and large, did not.
So the philosophers, natural scientists, theologians and alchemists didn't exist?
What about the monasteries and universities?

[Anonymous No.16154009]

>>16152117
>it's easier to gain control of the systems of education then it is to stamp them out.
The Church founded them you utter retard.
The entirety of education that we know of it is a product of the Church.

[Anonymous No.16154033]

>>16152837
Quite literally untrue.
By 1100 Western Europe was more advanced than Rome in almost every field.

[Anonymous No.16154067]

>>16150354
Are you retarded? You can't just go from the watermill straight to trains and the internet. You have to build on past developments.