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[Anonymous No.16135462]

My son is very interested in history. He keeps asking about what led to wwII. Would it be a good idea to read mein kampf with him? I have only skimmed it but i feel like it‘s the best insight into the mindset of hitler that led to wwII.

[Anonymous No.16135499]

>>16135462
>I have only skimmed it but i feel like it‘s the best insight

Peak right-wing.

[Anonymous No.16135505]

>>16135462
Unironically, you should buy him a copy of "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War"

[Anonymous No.16135511]

>>16135462
demon god tricking g*rms into killing jews so they can later be given back the country they stole in the first place and decentralize the globalization of the planet to harvest souls and molest children

[Anonymous No.16135519]

>>16135499
Is there a better insight into a persons mind other than their own attempt to bring it to paper?
I never said i‘m right-winged. I see this book as an extraordinary piece of history. Even if one doesn‘t agree with hitler‘s ideologies, one can‘t deny that he is a fascinating person worth studying.

[Anonymous No.16135525]

>>16135505
I‘ll check that out. Thanks anon.

>>16135511
Your meds have run out.

[Anonymous No.16135544]

>>16135525
go away demiurge

[Anonymous No.16135559]

>>16135462
>He keeps asking about what led to wwII.
"Hitler: Born at Versailles" by Leon Degrelle. It's not really about Hitler despite his name being in the title. It's a history of WW1, how it started, and how its conclusion led to WW2.

[Anonymous No.16135560]

While mein kampf can be educational, you should probably give him a conventional history of WWII first. He would probably be bored shitless by Hitlers endless droning too.

[Anonymous No.16135606]

>>16135499
>Peak right-wing
Yet the overwhelming majority of marxists has never read marx

[Anonymous No.16135610]

>>16135559
Oh that‘s even better because he also asked about wwI and i don‘t know that much about it. Thanks!

>>16135560
We‘ve talked about the conventional history a lot already. He‘s interested in the mindset of people that led to it. It‘s why i think mein kampf could be a good look at what went on a deeper level than „they attacked x on y under the lead of z“.

[Anonymous No.16135613]

>>16135462
Watch Europa: The Last Battle with him.

[Anonymous No.16135620]

>>16135559
>>16135610
Follow this with "Hitler's War" by David Irving. It documents the course of tWW2 as much as possible through Hitler's eyes.

[Anonymous No.16135643]

>>16135613
Shit tier documentary. I say this as an unapologetic antisemite and nationalist.

[Anonymous No.16135685]

>>16135462
>I have only skimmed it but i feel like it‘s the best insight into the mindset of hitler that led to wwII.

Hitler didn't start the war, Poland did.

[Anonymous No.16135708]

There was a lot that led to WW2. WW1, the rise of nationalism in all communities, the Zionist Bolsheviks in Eastern Europe, the Weimar Republic, communist movements, etc. I wish it were as simple as mustache man bad. But it's an incredibly complex and a series of unfortunate political realities and ideologies.

[Anonymous No.16135715]

>>16135685
Ok, i‘ll rephrase. What led to him developing an antisemitic mindset.

[Anonymous No.16135724]

>>16135708
>mustache man bad
Don‘t worry, i‘m not giving him such one sided approaches.

[Anonymous No.16135748]

Try this book.

[Anonymous No.16135820]

>>16135643
t. communist

[Anonymous No.16135828]

>>16135715
Being around jews

[Anonymous No.16135845]

How old is he and what country are you from? If you are American just give him books on the depression and explain that WW2 allowed America to recover from it. If he is 13 or so just give him a soldier's diary, he isn't going to want academic analysis like the others have suggested. Make sure the book is no more than 200 pages.

[Anonymous No.16135856]

>>16135845
He‘s 9 and we‘re from switzerland.
Yeah i don‘t think he‘s that interested in all the subtlety of the political tensions that led to it, more what emotions lead humans to war.

[Anonymous No.16135871]

>>16135856
if he is 9, then you'd be better off searching ww2 for kids and buying whatever comes up. i don't speak german or french so i have nothing to recommend to a swissman

[Anonymous No.16135885]

>>16135871
Most stuff meant for kids is actually just „mustache man bad“ and doesn‘t go any deeper than that.
Maybe the best would be to read it myself and then give him a summary since actually reading it with him might be a bit over the top.

[Anonymous No.16135898]

>>16135606
Which is especially comical giving that the manifesto is a small pamphlet. Finding an actual copy of Mein Kampf is reasonably hard to find in many countries (yuk think of those "commented" editions lol).

[Anonymous No.16135972]

>>16135820
Nope.

[Anonymous No.16136018]

>>16135606
Marxism is bigger than Marx, Hitlerism is just a personality cult

[Anonymous No.16136022]

>>16135856
>He‘s 9
No way are you or he going to read the stuff that's been recommended, much less Mein Kampf, which is over 600 pages. If you do read Mein Kampf, the Thomas Dalton translation is the easiest to understand, but has some translation errors. The Reynal and Hitchcock translation is the most accurate. The Manheim translation also appears accurate, but I've heard (not personally checked) there is malicious mistranslation within its pages.

[Anonymous No.16136041]

>>16135972
explain why you think it's shit then

>>16136018
Hitlerism =/= National socialism. Marx is still the basis of marxism, and yet nearly none of marxists or derivates have read it.

>>16136022
What are the issues with Dalton's translation?

[Anonymous No.16136048]

>>16136022
We won‘t need a translation since i can read it in german. I‘m just trying to find a copy that isn‘t commented and was wondering if there‘s one that isn‘t in black letter. I can read it but it‘s a bit annoying.

You‘re right, reading it with him would be overkill. I guess i‘ll go with checking out the recommended books and then talk to him about what i‘ve read.

[Anonymous No.16136109]

>>16135828
Lel

[Anonymous No.16136156]

>>16136041
>explain why you think it's shit then
It makes claims that are not well researched, or are deliberately misinterpreted for propaganda purposes, for example: Gandhi being Hitler's pen pal, and calling him "friend". The documentary shows an excerpt from a letter out of context. The letter is actually chastising Hitler, and blaming him for the war. It's a bad documentary and you'll look stupid recommending it to people with deeper knowledge of the topics.

>What are the issues with Dalton's translation?
It seems to be a rewording of the Stalag translation, just as the Ford translation is, because it contains the same translation errors, like writing "Fathers" (ancestors) as "father". I haven't gone through the whole thing or seen anything particularly heinous, but the errors change the meanings of sentences. It's not enough to make me not recommend it, because the Stalag and Ford translations are both serviceable, but I trust Dalton less when he claims to have translated something, but retains all the same errors as the other two popular (among "natzhees") translations. I'm confident he took the same shortcut as Michael Ford.

[Anonymous No.16136198]

>>16136156
So your criticism is that there's a few errors and embellishments, just as in pretty much every documentary. Got it. If you have better alternatives let me know.

That's pretty interesting about Dalton though, I thought it was a completely new translation. Would you recommend it over Manheim?

[Anonymous No.16136215]

It seems like this entire thread is missing any recommendations on the Japanese front as well. But I am not sure if OP and his son care about that. Nonetheless, I think the rise of imperial japan is fascinating as well.

This seems like a good source, but I haven't read it myself
Ishiwara Kanji and Japan's Confrontation with the West

[Anonymous No.16136217]

>>16135898
>(yuk think of those "commented" editions lol).

It's like a fucking study bible. They can't let you read the text without all this garbage because then you would come to identify with it.

[Anonymous No.16136281]

>>16136198
>embellishments
The example I showed you is an outright lie.
>If you have better alternatives let me know.
Read books, and trust no one.

>Would you recommend it over Manheim?
I haven't read both, so I can't say. I lean most towards Reynal and Hitchcock. It translated by a whole team of researchers in the 40's and contains detailed commentary that adds context to Hitler's historical references. Dalton adds the same context to his book in shorter form, so I think he drew from the R&H translation in that way.

[Anonymous No.16136461]

>>16136281
>Read books, and trust no one.
Agreed, but to get normies into this stuff, documentaries like Europa are pretty good. Just add a disclaimer about the inaccuracies.

>Reynal and Hitchcock
Thanks, will check this out.

[Anonymous No.16136492]

The Unnecessary War by Pat Buchanan.

[Anonymous No.16137295]

What's the "Rise and Fall" equivalent for Japan's involvement in the war? That is to say, not necessarily 100% accurate, but the seminal tome on the subject matter.

[Anonymous No.16137323]

Just read culture of critique with him

[Anonymous No.16137327]

should be all right as long as he's not part of the lunatic fringe

[Anonymous No.16137336]

yes

[Anonymous No.16137337]

>>16137327

The what now?

[Anonymous No.16137374]

>>16137327
The people who call everyone with a different opinion fascists and nazis you mean?

[Anonymous No.16137392]

>>16137374
no they'd just call the fascists and nazis fascists and nazis in this case

[Anonymous No.16137486]

>>16137392

There's nothing wrong with being either of those things.

[Anonymous No.16137523]

>>16137486
well i think there is

[Anonymous No.16137533]

>>16135898
The basis of Marxism is Das Kapital not the Communist Manifesto.
That's why nobody has read Marx.

[Anonymous No.16137552]

>>16137523

well I'd love to punch you in the neck. how about that?

[Anonymous No.16137579]

>>16137552
have a go

[Anonymous No.16137584]

>>16136217
Bad shabosh goy!
Don't you have any uncontrollable thoughts!

[Anonymous No.16137593]

>>16135499
>into the mindset of hitler

You retarded or something?

[Anonymous No.16137600]

>>16137584
yeah you wish people cared what you thought
prob why you go for (You)s all day

[Anonymous No.16137608]

>>16137392
There are no actual fascists or Nazis in the west, but if Marxist keep pushing we will have no other choice than to abandon libertarianism and embrace fascism

[Anonymous No.16137612]

>>16137593
No, english is just not my first language so sometimes it isn‘t that easy to say what i want to say with my limited vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.16137786]

>>16137608
>There are no actual fascists or Nazis in the west
agree
>but if Marxist keep pushing
that's no excuse for behaving stupidly and talking piss

[Anonymous No.16137804]

>>16137374
why do you have to be such a faggot, nazi
just be a fucking man for once in your life and admit you're a nazi, don't cry crocodile tears about evil bolsheviks calling you a nazi when all you are is a """white identitarian""" or some other mutt nonsense

[Anonymous No.16137940]

>>16135462
HEIL HITLER, DER FUHRER DES DEUTSCHEN YOUNGEN.

[Anonymous No.16138009]

>>16135715
Antisemite conapiracies were around for centuries before Hitler. It was common christian propaganda

[Anonymous No.16138014]

>>16137804
Ah, this is the lunatic fringe >>16137327 was talking about

[Anonymous No.16138045]

>>16138014
you already made that jibe >>16137374

[Anonymous No.16138049]

>>16137786
It's not behaving stupidly, it's acting appropriately

[Anonymous No.16138062]

>>16138045
So?

[Anonymous No.16138079]

>>16138062
bit lame

[Anonymous No.16138113]

>>16138079
Okay, but at least not retarded like >>16137804

[Anonymous No.16138143]

>>16135462
He would get much more out of the national socialist worldview by reading Gottfried Feder's Germany on a Nationalist and Socialist Foundation to him.

[Anonymous No.16138213]

>>16135462
read robert conquest

[Anonymous No.16138221]

>>16135462
Dangerously based thread

[Anonymous No.16138253]

>>16138014
>>16138113
get punched, nazi

[Anonymous No.16138294]

savitri devi