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1612327 No.1612327 [Reply] [Original]

Face it lit, your area of expertise is pointless.
The only human endeavour which is able to understand our universe is science. From the laws of mathematics and empirical evidence we can understand the very fabric of our cosmos.
Philosophy is about as applicable to reality as communism. It is full of pseudo intellectuals who did not have the mathematical ability to deal in the hard sciences.
Do not get me started on Literature and History. Literature serves only a hedonistic purpose, to masturbate our imagination. Yet it does this in the most juvenile way possible. It serves only to keep us "amused" during times of slow progress.
History is a subjective pile of propaganda, for the most part written by the victors. Note, i agree that man landed on the moon and that the Holocaust occurred, but it are the methods of history i question. The evidence of the past has been destroyed, and hence you create it from what you want.

Get a real interest...

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1612330

I don't really care about your points

but I've always wondered: does it really matter if something has a purpose?

>> No.1612329

all that is solid melts into air

Everything you know does not exist.

>> No.1612331

>>1612327
You're confusing two questions.
HOW is the question of science. If this is enough for you then that is fine.

WHY is the question of philosophy. This question is possibly irrelevant, but in absolutely NO way is science capable of answering it.

Also, (near) carbon copy troll thread number 5,000 of the day.

>> No.1612339

>>1612327

OP wishes he was a great writer, an artist, someone who has the power to enchant minds and create new worlds.

Sadly, he lacks the imagination or will power to pursue his real dream.

>> No.1612343

>>1612331
>HOW is the question of science. If this is enough for you then that is fine.

>WHY is the question of philosophy. This question is possibly irrelevant, but in absolutely NO way is science capable of answering it.

If anything, you've got that in reverse. Science seeks to understand what motivates phenomena, philosophy seeks to ask moral questions about how we ought to act.

>> No.1612347

why try troll lit op there is like 10 people here...

>> No.1612350

>>1612331
Wrong.
Why is a loaded concept. It implies the existance of some metaphysical narrative.

Science answers How, and to an extent "why?", the answer to "why" the universe exists is a physics question, not one for you post modern philosophers...

>> No.1612351

...

>> No.1612358

>>1612339
Mathematics requires more imagination than writing a story about some fictional wizard...Why are there only a few thousand fundemental physicists, yet several million writers?
See logic just showed you to be wrong.
Now as for artists, anyone with two hands can draw a few lines and call it "art". Art critics are the biggest bullshit artists on the planet.
The only form of art is mathematics.

Finally, why are the most intelligent humans (however you define it) always scientists?

>> No.1612360

>>1612330
You lot are the philosophers. Science requires no purpose.

>> No.1612363

Actually, I study science but have an interest in literature and writing because I'm not a complete close-minded tool who can't follow more than one subject.

>> No.1612364

>>1612350
Why does the universe exist then?

Citing theories about singularities and the Big Bang and whatnot only explain HOW the universe began. I'm not saying there is a reason WHY the universe exists, but you are in essence misusing the terms HOW and WHY. Tell me how a mathematical theory can explain WHY the universe exists, as opposed to HOW it came into existence? WHY is dramatically different from HOW. That's my point.

>> No.1612368

Art of all forms is a thing of beauty which should defy a common explanation. True art should leave a person in awe with a sense of wonder. Although all things in the universe rely on numbers, to understand that everything is predetermined ruins the aspect of that wonder.

I for one would rather take reading a book of a man overcoming his problems, than reading a book about nuclear physics.

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1612373

This just in: if you aren't capable of pursuing /both/ science and art, and criticize one or the other field on that basis, you are an inferior mammal to those of us who can.

>> No.1612382

I have a BSc in Biology, a GradCert in IT and, starting next year, a Master in IT. I have read roughly 2000 books in my life (25 years old) and enjoy writing.
What is your point?

>> No.1612384

>>1612364
Background Independence.

In essence time and space are emergant and the question of why is meaningless, as time implies causality. Proving this is the goal of Loop QG and Strings.

>> No.1612385

>>1612373
Science is the only art that matters.

In essence beauty comes from our power over reality and what is more powerful than science?

>> No.1612387

>>1612373
What is more, i am capable of persuing both.
I am quite talented at playing the violin. Yet to me art is nothing compared to science.

Science>Music>art>Literature

call me all troll all you want. Fact of the matter is, i can understand Quantum field theory and you cannot.

>> No.1612388

>>1612382
Most 25 year olds that i talk to have a phd, your a bit behind the 8 ball.

>> No.1612391

>>1612388
I have worked in a hospital for 2 years.

Also, how the hell can you HAVE a PhD with 25? Being a PhD-student, yes, but have one? That's not possible, seeing that it takes between 3 and 8 years for one. Or are you from the US where most people start their PhD with a BsC?

>> No.1612394

>>1612391

Not that guy, but in UK if you follow the straight-and-narrow academic path:

Degree - 21, master - 22, PhD in 3 year years (shortest possible) - 25.

>> No.1612400

>>1612394
Ah ok, back in Germany you usually had to do civil service / army stuff for roughly a year, so a really straight path (read: boring!) will get you a PhD with 25.

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1612406

>>1612387
>i can understand Quantum field theory and you cannot.
>i can understand Quantum field theory

See pic.

>> No.1612407

>>1612327

You write with all the skill and wit of 15-year-old, OP. Your mommy must be very proud of you.

>> No.1612413

I'm an engineer, and OP is pretty pathetic. Science can't really tell us how to live our everyday lives. Science tells us how nature works, and how to exploit nature's laws to make technology, but it can't tell me what I should live my life for. Music and literature make life more enjoyable. I get a thrill out of building things, but reading and listening to music supplements that. This isn't some all or nothing war between science and art.Both can be really interesting. We create technology in real life, but I've always thought of art being technology of the mind. We can create fantastical scenarios in our head that aren't realistically possible. Why do you think so many scientists and engineers read sci-fi? It's because before you do something in real life, the idea has to be there first.

>> No.1612430

>>1612413
Alluding to the fact that engineers are on par with scientists

Dead wrong fag.

>> No.1612431

>>1612430
On par in what?
Scienciness?

>> No.1612434

>>1612430
Build the LHC without any engineering knowledge. Go ahead. Engineering and science compliment each other. Science is the basis of all technology, but without engineers building engines, computers, mass producing chemicals, most of modern science would have never been discovered. Hell, most of macroscale thermodynamics was pioneered by engineers, not scientists.

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1612448

the fact that people are responding to a blatant troll is proof of the decline of liberal arts education

soon many people will be unable to read between the lines, and the trolls will win

>> No.1612576

>>1612327
>Get a real interest...
Get a real life...

>> No.1612586

art is useless but that's why it's important

fuck utility, as though your fucking hard sciences have actually made any difference in a world where we all die in the end anyway

we're no happier now than at the start of civilisation only now we impact much more negatively on many more lives as we flounce around our techno-capitalist circle jerk

>> No.1612594

Scientists are incapable of creative thought.

>> No.1612612

>>1612448
what you people can't understand is that, regardless of whether it's a troll, the people of 4chan are complete suckers for an argument. it's evidently what they thrive on.

>> No.1612619

>>1612612

That's because 4chan is the best forum for having discussions that has ever existed.

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1612630

>>1612576

>> No.1612670

>human
>understanding the universe

pick one

>> No.1612672

>>1612670
I pick
>understanding the human

>> No.1612684

science and art exist for different reasons. op is a closeminded fool (and a troll)..

/thread

>> No.1612690

NOBEL PRIZE FOR LITERATURE > NOBEL PRIZE FOR PHYSICS

>> No.1612699

/lit/, you are fucking worthless. OP is an obvious troll. You all act like you just got on the internet yesterday. If you continue to argue with all the stupid shit you read on the internet more and more people will take advantage of this for their own amusement.

>> No.1612704

>>1612690
>implying anyone cares about the Nobel prize

>> No.1612878

>>1612358
>Mathematics requires more imagination than writing a story about some fictional wizard...Why are there only a few thousand fundemental physicists, yet several million writers?

OP still mad.

There are more writers than physicists because writing is more fun, and humans enjoy it more.

Physics is dull work, no one cares to calculate the velocity or angle of a ball. Just because something is subatomic doesn't make it anymore interesting, seriously get a real hobby. Science is laughably boring.

>> No.1612905

>>1612327
>Implying I don't read hobbies for a book and have majored in something else.

Also fuck science, all it ever does is back up theories. They never try to break theories to see if it actually stands strong.

>> No.1612913

>>1612905
>hobbies for a book.
That's just how I roll.

>> No.1613047

>>1612905
learn2nullhypothesis

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1613053

>>1612630
>>1612368
>>1612913
>denoted to Anonymous-tier tripfags
imagine if there were no tripfagfs, threads like this would run rampant on /lit/...

>> No.1613061

My area of expertise is information science.
Modern science would not had gotten anywhere without it.

>> No.1613071

>>1613053
You're in quite a mood today.
I mean really