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16113823 No.16113823 [Reply] [Original]

What has analytical philosophy ever done for you, seriously? Give me one way in which analytical philosophy has improved or enriched your life. Go ahead. Continental philosophy and its antecedents are the only knowledge that actually have the potential to affect change on you as an individual - someone's intuitive explanation of their worldview has infinitely more value to open your mind and alter your way of thinking than a million treatises on "logic" and language games. Wittgenstein has never done a single thing for you. Nothing.

>> No.16113986

>>16113823
>The Superiority of Continental Philosophy
>What has analytical philosophy ever done for you, seriously? Give me one way in which analytical philosophy has improved or enriched your life.
>Go ahead. Continental philosophy and its antecedents are the only knowledge that actually have the potential to affect change on you as an individual - someone's intuitive explanation of their worldview has infinitely more value to open your mind and alter your way of thinking than a million treatises on "logic" and language games. Wittgenstein has never done a single thing for you. Nothing.
It developed the computational theory (using that logic you dislike) that it's used in the ventilators boards to keep people with COVID-19 alive.

>> No.16114004

>>16113823
Critical thinking and how to write well.

>> No.16114010
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>>16113823
>Wittgenstein has never done a single thing for you. Nothing.
gigabased of him

>> No.16114011

>>16113823
>potential to affect change on you as an individual
Philosophy as self-help. Embarrassing trash

>> No.16114017

>>16113986
>(using that logic you dislike)
which one?

>> No.16114044

>>16113823
Your main fault in this statement is thinking that Philosophy's goal is to help you.

>> No.16114097

>>16113823
Brainlet pseud detected

>> No.16114115

>>16114017
>>(using that logic you dislike)
>which one?
Boolean.

>> No.16114287

>>16113986
If COVID is dangerous to you you deserve to be filtered

>> No.16114478

>>16114044
Philosophy is a form of therapy.

>> No.16114484

Their both inferior coping mechanisms compared to oriental ontology

>> No.16114494

>>16114484
They're*

>> No.16114876

>>16114478
No, it is a form of reaching understanding. Philos Sophia = friend of knowledge. Literature is a form of therapy, though. Take Nietzsche, for example. His works are literary expression masked as philosophy.

>> No.16114991

>>16113986
>You need the calculations to make the machines
Imagine being this retarded
Such technology is, and has been, developed empirically many times before

>> No.16115013

>Analytic Philosophy made me depressed
>Continental Philosophy made me depressed with style

>> No.16115017

>>16114876
>Friend of knowledge
Lol no, Sophia is very much the Greek word for wisdom
What you understand as knowledge the Greeks called (and still do apparently) gnosis or episteme
The works of analytics, with the exception of maybe Frege to an extent, fall squarely under the lesser sciences in philosophical terms

>> No.16115049

>>16115017
>Sophia is very much the Greek word for wisdom
You are right. I still maintain that philosophy's goal isn't inherently therapeutic.

>> No.16115061

>>16115049
Wittgenstein would disagree

>> No.16115072

>>16115061
I don't really care.

>> No.16115088

>>16113823
One time I heard:
>continental phylosophy covers more aspects of the human nature, not only the cold reason

>> No.16115091

>>16114011
Philosophy is preparation for death.

>> No.16115099
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>>16113823
Before I became a philosophy major, I was always doing speculative metaphysics as a child. You know, like the way philosophy used to be done. Turning over to continental philosophy would have been my life on easy mode. It's the default way I already was, as far as style goes. Instead I became well versed in analytic philosophy. Analytics cover the most topics, everything from microtopics being covered to death (they get a bad reputation for how obsessive their focus on minutiae can get, but at least you know they're covering the stuff) to more systematic or metametaphysical visions and critiques of the way things have been done before. Actually continental philosophy does some of that critique stuff, and it's not useless, I check out continental philosophy a lot and plan to keep doing that. But analytic philosophy helped me cover my bases. I don't have analytic DNA: as individuals, analytics tend to ignore continental-styled critique (whereas I prefer not to) and individual analytics tend to hyperfocus on microtopics whereas I prefer to be systematic. I'm more like a pre-divide philosopher. But analytic philosophy has helped me a ton giving me the right toolbox and covering ground so I can always bounce off it in the right way.

>> No.16115472

>>16115099
Good answer, thanks
>>16113986
Your compassion warmed my heart anon, unironically.

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>>16113823
If you want an Analytic that will enrich your life then try William James.
But reducing philosophy to glorified self-help is the biggest pseud move out there.

>> No.16115648

>Your compassion warmed my heart anon, unironically.
Thanks fren.

>> No.16115663

>>16114991
>>You need the calculations to make the machines
>Imagine being this retarded
>Such technology is, and has been, developed empirically many times before
Never said that they weren't. But we just have to admit that the more complex our needs for computation the more important the framework of logic becomes. With such empirical methods the level where symbolic systems are today would be impossible.

>> No.16115684

>>16115049
I mean, I'm not the other guy, I was fighting your definition mostly
Earlier philosophers viewed it as therapeutic though Plato promoted the view that the therapy can only come through understanding and this kind of stuck as a theme
Spinoza called his "ethics" ethics with this view in mind, at least it seems to me, I'm not some expert Spinozist

>> No.16115690

>>16113823
this kills the anglo. anglo is a bugman that does not have interior life, so the question "what has analytical philosophy ever done for you, seriously?" is a nonsense for them.

>> No.16115933

>>16113823
I never understood the analytic obsession over language. Anyway philosophy doesn't need to change your life, only the way you view things. The only valuable contribution of analytic philosophy is the philosophy of mathematics. There's also a sense of objectivity in a lot of it; you have things like Frege's theorem, omega consistency, Goedel's theorem, Tarski's theorem, etc. All very fun. It's also important from a historical perspective. It gave birth to modern logic, the logicist program greatly influenced the foundations of mathematics, even if it turned out to be false, and it led to the linguistic turn which affected continental philosophy as well.
But analytic philosophy fails when it attempts metaphysics and politics, and its epistemology can only go so far.

>> No.16115960

>>16115099
>(they get a bad reputation for how obsessive their focus on minutiae can get, but at least you know they're covering the stuff)
Analytical philosophy is not only as useless as continental but also totally assblasted. All their nitpicking caters only to the publish or perish paradigm of anglosaxon understanding of scientific (((progress)))

>> No.16115978

>>16115960
Sure, but say you aren't into publish-or-perish or scientific progress like myself. Analytic philosophy is still super valuable, it's sometimes proved a foil and other times support for my ideas, and helped me express them clearly and go further than I would have on my own. And continental philosophy offers a nice angle of critique that I also like. What should I do without both, turn back to some sort of closed-book dogmatism? Be a hopeless skeptic? There's a reason these two traditions still agree with each other that Kant was important to them, he took us past uncritical dogmatism and capitulative skepticism.

>> No.16116025

>>16115978
You can do Talmud studies instead of analytical philosphy and you would become still a master of sophistry

>> No.16116028

>>16116025
>sophistry
Pray tell what isn't sophistry by your lights please.

>> No.16116048

very few people in this thread seem to know what either analytic or continental philosophy are

sometimes i wonder how many people get complete bullshit misinformation from /lit/

>> No.16116055

>>16116048
Enlighten us

>> No.16116062

>>16116028
Stoicism.

>> No.16116111

>>16116048
>very few people in this thread seem to know what either analytic or continental philosophy are
Yeah they really don't.
>sometimes i wonder how many people get complete bullshit misinformation from /lit/
Tons. They're people new to philosophy and sometimes new to reading period.

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16116113

>Analytic philosophy can't enrich your lif-

>> No.16116121

>>16116062
Is everything else no matter how well argued supposed to count as sophistry?

>> No.16116136

>>16116113
Holy based. Is this how we solve incel anxieties?

>> No.16116189

>>16116121
The question for me is how much complexity and nuances do you need to live a good life? I've found I neither need analytical nor continental philosophy for my life to be good.

>> No.16116198

>>16116189
And I also don't need to make up excuses for why I haven't wasted my time studying both of them. Sunk costs not more.

>> No.16116201

>>16113823
Philosophy doesn't change you in any fundamental way, Philosophy is all in your head literally.

>> No.16116203

>>16116189
The unexamined life is not worth living, said a certain critic of sophistry who influenced stoicism. Thoughts on that? A lot of science and mathematics and history is irrelevant to living a good life as well but it's not sophistry is it? Why would philosophy irrelevant to the good life be any different from that?

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16117655

>>16116113
>i have an entire harem of real possible girlfriends
wtf i'm a modal realist now

>> No.16117674

>>16116201
You're all in your head so that would be the best place if you want to change yourself.

>> No.16118652

bump

>> No.16118665

>>16115099
>I'm more like a pre-divide philosopher
Post one of your philosophical works

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16118666

>>16116113
>I realized that with all these worlds, there would have to be lovely and lonely women in other world who believed Lewis’ theory. They believed in my world, they believed in me, and they had trans-world crushes on me. I could never actually meet them, but it meant so much to me that someone out there loved me that I kind of started to believe Lewis’ theory through wishful thinking and wrote a paper about how to set up one-to-one trans-world romantic relationships. It became my first publication in a peer-reviewed journal.
Holy fuck. Pic related, it's apparently him.

>> No.16118944

>>16118666
Kekek
Lewis is such utter trash he might as well be a continental

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16118971

>>16118944
>Lewis
>continental

>> No.16118981

>>16118944
Retard.

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16119668

>>16118666
>Getting your shitpost published in a peer-reviewed journal