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If you are religious and understand that the spirit is unlimited and yet existence is limited and painful, why would you not seek to escape the limitation of existence? Are their any books that counter this feeling? It makes perfect sense to me, gnosticism is surely right.

>> No.16099487

>>16099457
Given that Gnosticism is so similar to Hinduism and Buddhism in this respect, how possible is it that Gnosticism was the true teaching of Christ?

>> No.16099509
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16099509

To be one is to be limited.
To be defined in anyway is to be limited, including 'unlimited'.

>> No.16099582

>>16099457
That's just the standard religious point of view. This world is shit, and there is a better wold which is not shit, so you should aim for the later. Makes perfect sense given the premises.

>> No.16100199

>>16099487
Good point, but what if Christ had similiar teachings to buddha?

>> No.16100281

>>16099457
even if you read carlos castaneda you will remain stupid degenerate dumbfuck, but with 0.0001% chance of hope of salvation. others don't have any chance at all. all you stupid dumbfucks who read bibles, gitas, vedas are just blind sick boring faggots without any spirit. simply dead souls.

>> No.16100393

>>16100281
why?

>> No.16100464

>>16099457
I personally do not believe existence in the broadest sense in limited. I believe consciousness itself is existence. But Gnostics divide humans like Paul and Plato did -- body, soul and spirit. To me this is kind of complex and does not help to understand things too much. Buddhists unify soul and spirit somehow because there's no heaven or whatever.

I strongly recommend reading Zen. They teach against escaping the world. Instead, they teach living in this world with a higher level of consciousness -- and this should help you to attain satori and escape rebirth. I do believe Gnostics got to this level of understanding later on, but we don't have textual evidence to prove it.

>>16100199
If he got killed in just three years of ministry, it's because his teachings were way more abrasive to the elite than what we have in the New Testament. In the Gospel of Thomas, we have a Jesus that is very close to an Eastern master.

>> No.16100514

>>16100464
>I believe consciousness itself is existence.
What does this mean?

>> No.16100626

>>16099487
Why would it not be? Some of the Gnostic Gospels date to the time of the "canonical" Gospels. John has Gnostic themes as well.

>>16100464
>If he got killed in just three years of ministry, it's because his teachings were way more abrasive to the elite than what we have in the New Testament. In the Gospel of Thomas, we have a Jesus that is very close to an Eastern master.

Good point.

Mods will delete this like the other Gnostic threads though.

>> No.16100749

>>16100514
Consciousness is your suchness. It cannot be defined, just experienced.

>> No.16100779

alright. what's the starting point for someone with 0 experience with spirituality

>> No.16100787

>>16100749
Yeah your consciousness is being experienced in a hellhole right now. time to escape.

>> No.16100797

>>16100779
giving me all your money

>> No.16100801

>>16100797
gonna have to run that by the lawyers

>> No.16100804

>>16100787
Buddha would say that this is your mind, your thoughts creating a hell for yourself. You must become the master of your mind to end your misery by the means of meditation.

>> No.16100831

>>16100281
> Although Castaneda's accounts of the Teaching of Don Juan were initially well-received as non-fiction works of ethnography, the books are now widely regarded as works of fiction.
lol is this the power of mexican philosophy

>> No.16100885

>>16100804
it is the mnid and body and the spirit chose to inhaibt.

>> No.16100892

>>16100885
I would say the mind is somewhere close to the Demiurge in the Buddhist sense. Not in the Greek sense of the word, of course.

>> No.16100901

>>16100892
that is meaningless to say. the spirit is TRAPPED

>> No.16101036

>>16100901
Is it? On my Gnostic readings, the soul is trapped along with luminous shards which are just very small fractions of the spirit. Your spirit is in the Pleroma. You liberate the soul and the small specs of light along with it and unite it with the spirit above. Buddha says nirvana is the union with the oneness through silence or vipassana. If think it's the same method with different jargon.

>> No.16101074

>>16099457
What is "spirit", OP?

>> No.16101129

>>16100514
I think therefore I am. The only thing you can imperially prove is yourself. You have to assume that your senses and memory are accidentally depicting the world in an empirical manner. Now Kant allegedly proves the existence of an objective empirical reality but I haven’t read him yet so I don’t feel comfortable discussing his ideas.
On the other hand it’s widely accepted that human memory is fallible and the ways we experience’’reality” can be affected by various chemicals and mindsets. The cornerstone of quantum mechanics is that you can not empirically describe subatomic particles and the behavior of these particles are effected by the very action of being observed.
I am very ignorant of these topics but to me those implications are interesting.
Who’s to say that you aren’t currently in your 80s on some Alzheimer’s ward living out reconstructed memories?

>> No.16101140

>>16101129
>memory are accidentally depicting
*accurately

>> No.16101253

>>16101036
>Your spirit is in the Pleroma
wrong. your spirit is everywhere. The pleroma is where it was born.
>>16101074
Spirit is like a mediator between your conscious and subcoscious. It allows you to interpret energies and find raw knowledge. Gnosticism is ok, but it makes the demiurge the main culprit. That's like getting bullied by your middle school classmates for thinking different. Doesn't help anybody. Look within.

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>>16101253
wow just wow, literally u have no idea what hte conscious and sub conscious is. read some freud, THEN jung, and then we can have this talk. its conscious and unconscious the subconscious is a pop sci term, but was originally aligned with frueds pre conscious which was the common ground between unconscious and conscious, ie the material about to enter through dreams, slips of tongue, visions, daydreams, etc.
at any rate ill answer your question, even though you have zero clue what youre talking about.
the world is pain and suffering, he who increases knowledge increases suffering, all is meaninglessness and wholly vanity under the sun. this nihilism is not something unknown to christianity it is a central tenent. then why are we not a suicide cult. the preacher goes further and says to enjoy the gifts that God has given to you, because you earn nothing under the sun, namely food and water, and to enjoy the fruit of your labors.
peter then says that he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin (not entirely but at that moment)
but know not to be depressed and begrudge your lot and to look to the patriarch Job and how he handled his fall, with grace and faith, and dignity and temperance. sure he did erupt every once in a while but he never lost sight of what was truly important. also
/thread

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>>16099509
Consciousness is per sey the paternal principle of logos; the discriminatory faculty; that which derives the synthesis of the antithetical theses.

So, your post doesn't make any sense, bud.

>This whole fucking thread.
Do you people even read jung?

>> No.16101466

>>16101438
even if they did they wouldnt understand it. read freud for a while, and while your doing that pick up some basic greek and latin, otherwise your fucked when you get to the alchemy shit, i would also add german but thats enough already. mostly latin.

>> No.16101728

there are no books. gnosticism is correct. the world is a giant determinist larp.

>> No.16101759

>>16101253
>l-look within bro
>completely ignorant about the gnostic notion of the inner man

why post about something you clearly haven't studied? you don't think the internet has had enough of retards pontificating about what they don't understand? fuck off to your lolita threads

>> No.16102969

>>16100281
I did read them. They were amusing accounts of a fictional Mexican mystic. Entertaining, but not very insightful.

>> No.16103003

>>16099487
If gnosticism told truths and christ told truths then they would be saying the same things

>> No.16104326

>>16101438
What do you mean by paternal principle? That consciousness is required to "operate" (use?have some understanding of?) logos? I don't disagree I just wish you elaborated on the subject.