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Does Pragmatism lead to relativism?

>> No.16098336

perspectivism, rather.

>> No.16098393

>>16098278

Peirce didn't take it far enough, but had he, I think the question of relativism would itself be nonsense. The key is symmetry, >>16098336 and perspective would be created and limited by what is seen.

>> No.16098402

>>16098278
It does. And it did.

>> No.16098403

You could be pragmatist with respect to how you approach knowledge while still believing in absolute truth.

>> No.16098423

>>16098278
never been to this board so I'll ask here.
I'm looking for a collection of fantasy books/comics with a young female protagonist and villain with multiple arms, my niece is young and wants this collection for her birthday but I have no idea what the fuck they're called, all I know is the protoganist is a kid and the villain is a scary dude with a lot of arms, she says it's like a comic but also has pages, I'm getting desperate because I can't find it anywhere, someone please help me or tell me where to look.

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>>16098423

>> No.16098497

>>16098423
based derail, ask on reddit if no one knows here they have a userbase that reads that stuff more.

>> No.16098515

>>16098278
Pragmatic realism doesn't require relativism.

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>>16098423

A better question would be why your niece wants a protagonist with multiple arms.

>> No.16098528

>>16098497
I don't have a reddit account, do you a have a link to that userbase?
>>16098494
I've been to several comic and book shops and they don't know what the fuck I'm talking about too, I don't even know if it's recent or old. if I don't find those books in time I honestly don't know what to get her, my niece is a weird kid

>> No.16098533

>>16098517
that's the villain dude, the protagonist is a young girl

>> No.16098581

If so it did unintentionally. All the original pragmatists were hardened empiricists and worked as scientists at their day jobs. What isn't relative or perspectival is that belief can be found to work. Its effects are evaluated on objective terms. It's proof by demonstration. It doesn't mean that anything someone finds subjectively useful is true, the belief has to make something happen in the world. It has to be effectual somehow.

In those unanswerable cases that James wrote about, such as the existence of God or free will, it's different because one's belief in these issues is not dependent on external criteria. James thought it good to believe in God because it made him feel better, which sounds like a cop out, but there is no other criteria by which to fix the belief. It's unprovable either way. So it stands.

>> No.16098604

>>16098423
maybe some femspiderman vs doctor octopus?

>> No.16099033

>>16098604
can't be otherwise she would say so, her description is the girl has short black hair, the villain has a "bunch of arms" and a moustache, she also said one of the books has a big sea monster that looks like a pig, like I said she's into weird shit, what confuses me is she says it's a book but it's also a comic, I'm assuming that there must be some pages with comic strips. If anybody knows a place I'll have better luck finding these please tell me, I've tried searching online and been to several shops and I've come empty handed so this is my last resort, taking a quick glance at the board it's obvious it's not the place where this sort of stuff is read.

>> No.16099356

Does pragmatism lead to deontology?

>> No.16099476

>>16098278
this has been addressed so many times anon
the answer is no

I honestly think the word "relativism" should be erased, all it does is confuse people and give them an escape from thinking philosophically. It's barely a coherent concept to begin with

>> No.16099484

>>16099476
>the answer is no
why

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>>16098581
The three pragmatists criticized theory-neutral observation, what we know as so-called 'acquaintance.' Peirce's position was that it didn't exist, and instead, there was some sort of infinite semiosis in its place. James believed our concepts imposed themselves on the world and thus determined a truth that was for us, rather than the world giving itself over to us pure. For Dewey experience wasn't merely had, it was also acted upon, again by us. Anyone who rejects theory-neutral observation replaces it with theory-laden observation or just theory minus observation as traditionally understood. The 'theory' side of thought is our concept-imposition on so-called reality. Any time you do that, you immediately open the door to relativism. And this the pragmatists did.

>> No.16100614

>>16098278
Pragmatism isn't a real philosophy, it's just very convenient way to avoid ever talking about your ethical assumptions.

>> No.16100656

Yes and that's a good thing