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hey /lit/ why don't we start creating a new version of english? you know we've had modern english for a long time, so it's time to move on, just like how there was old and middle english. perhaps because this is modern english, our new language can be post-modern english?

we can use the liaison like in French, like with "l'auto"

for example:

"The OP" will instead be spelled "Th'OP."

what do you think

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>>1608799
now is that something you might be interested in

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>>1608809
No.

>> No.1608824

>u mad? u jelly? deal w/it.

new english.

>> No.1608835

Esperanto, Lojban, etc

>> No.1608840

lol EPIC WIN OP XD

>> No.1608854

Older poetry & hymns already do that, don't they?

>> No.1608857

I think any more "improvements" to the English language would be completely destructive to the language.
For example: look what happened to the Japanese language after the introduction of Western culture. A damn good amount of adjectives (and a few verbs) have been replaced with their pronunciation of the word.
>eg: waifu, strike, my home

>> No.1608865

>> No.1608868

>>1608865
oops

>> No.1608881

>>1608857
Nah, exchanges between languages have been a normal process since the process. In the case of Japanese, there was much deeper adoption of Chinese long time before they started to introduce western loan words (which isn't new either, since it started in the 15th century with Spanish and Portuguese)

>> No.1608884

>>1608881
>a normal process since the process

Well, you know what I mean.

>> No.1608894

>>1608881
I understand that. My point was, they added a shitload of stuff from other languages that was completely unnecessary, and now, due to that, it sounds pretty screwy.
>eg: "baito" is Japanese shortening of "arubaito" which is japanese variant of "arbeit" which is a German word that means to work. Baito in Japanese means "part-time job".
see how fucked up that seems?

>> No.1608916

>like in French
>over my dead body

>> No.1608922

>>1608840
But they still use the word shigoto to speak of work in general. Words don't disappear, loan words are introduced for new concepts. Of course, sometimes words become a fad and are more used than native ones, but the old ones are still used depending on the context. In the book I'm reading now Murakami Haruki mixes クール　(from the english "cool") and 冷静　(calm, composure, coolness) almost in the same sentence without problem, and he knows about american literature and I'm sure he's aware of the original meaning and the overlapping with the native word (native word that is chinese in origin anyway)

>> No.1609032

>>1608894

"alba" is a Korean shortening of "areubaiteu" which is a Korean variant of "arubaito" which is a Japanese variant of "arbeit" which is a German word that means work.

I win!

(It means a part time job, or could be a way to address an employee impolitely.)

>> No.1609049

>>1608894

>implying a language can be wrong

>> No.1609095

>>1609049
>implying I claimed that a language can be wrong
I basically stated that a language can become inefficient or just hard to use through evolution. I said nothing about its "correctness".

>> No.1609150

bumping so whoever contradicted me can see how I responded

>> No.1609176

>>1609150

>screwy

closer to wrong than inefficient, I'd say. But then again we're arguing over semantics.

How is "baitu" a display of inefficiency in the Japanese language? I don't speak it, but I can see the relation between the German word "arbeit," the Japanese "arbaito" and its abbreviation "baito".

>> No.1609202

>>1609176
They partially changed the definition of the word. Any German person learning Japanese that was told that "baito" is a shortening of "arubaito" which is "arbeit" would assume it meant work in general, which it does not. The same goes for a lot of English words in Japanese.
The point was, Japanese already had phrases or words that defined things like "my home" before loanwords. So, someone may use that word/phrase in conversation with a more modernized person, and they will not understand.
eg:　私のうち　vs　マイホーム

>> No.1609224

>>1609202
You could say that about so many languages. Look up false friends, most of which are some form of borrowings that have undergone divergence. Nothing to do with "inefficiency", or whatever other bullshit you want to spew.

>> No.1609236

>>1609224
They didn't need to borrow the word, and all it does is confuse people. I'm not saying the entire language is inefficient, I'm saying the add-ons were. Which is why I discourage a "proto-English" or whatever - so we don't get more things like that in English.

>> No.1609258

>>1609236
Who are you to dictate what a language needs or doesn't?

>> No.1609261

>>1609258
Jesus Christ

>> No.1609350

lrn2linguistics, OP, that shit constantly happens on a continuum. You'll recognize it when you're 80 and you talk noticeably differently than your grandchildren and their friends.

>> No.1609381

>>1609350
>>1609350
>>1609350
this, but you can already see it in the heightened use of text message slang

>> No.1610894

>>1609350
umm but it's not official like i propose

>> No.1611090

>>1610894

There is no "official" because there is no ultimate authority that decides what is or is not modern english. As he said, language change happens on a continuum. Because of this, linguists are descriptive rather than prescriptive in their investigations of language and usage.

>> No.1611098

>>1611090
if they change on a continuum how come old english and middle english exists?

>> No.1611110

>>1611098
arbitrary distinctions, I believe.

>> No.1611145

>>1611098

I think it's analogous to why species distinctions exist in biology even though speciation happens along a continuum where each individual is virtually identical to its parents. It's convenient.

>> No.1611165

All languages are moving towards a more analytical grammar... we will be speaking monosyllabic languages by the end of the year 2978.

>> No.1611171

>>1611165
We will be speaking Stark by that year.

>> No.1612233

Joyce tried with Finnegan's wake, and bless him, the average person can't handle that many puns/ Shakespeare references. Nonetheless, try reading it to get a sense of a new english language.

>> No.1612250

>>1609381

Text message slang is overhyped. It's a form of communication which is very specialized to the medium in question, and that sort of thing has happened many times before. There was all sorts of crazy linguistic bullshit that came into existence because of things like shorthand or telegraphs but only bits and pieces here or there were absorbed into the broader language.

>> No.1612277

>>1611110

>arbitrary distinctions
>hahahaohwow.jpg

You compare Bede to Chaucer.

>> No.1612282

>>1611098
If color is a continuum how come red and blue exist?

>> No.1612287

>>1612282

but if then who was phone?

>> No.1612365

>>1611090

>There is no "official" because there is no ultimate authority that decides what is or is not modern english.

Same cannot be said of French.