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When did you grow out of communism?

For me it was this book.

>> No.16082348

>>16082339
Thinking of it intuitively grows you out of it

Gulag Archipelago just confirms it

>> No.16082371

but it soo long

>> No.16082387

>>16082348
based non thinker

>> No.16082405

>>16082339
Isn't that Harry Potter for lobsters?

>> No.16082421

>>16082339
Why do modern schools still refuse to teach us about the atrocities of the soviet union?

This is what I'd like to know.

>> No.16082466

>>16082421
Because they'd have to deal with the historiographical debunking of Grover Furr which they'd rather not

>> No.16082521

>>16082466
>Grover Furr
LMAO

Literally nothing more than an attention whore.

>> No.16082534

>>16082339
The full three volumes, or abridged?

>> No.16082548

yeah i read the black book of gommunism the CIA world fact book and the pledge of allegiance and discovered commies are literally responsible for killing 600 billion people in a single century like thats just so fucked up and why we need to bomb every single country that doesnt agree with american foreign policy

>> No.16082571

>>16082548
>A fucking butterfly

>> No.16082589
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16082589

when i got a job

>> No.16082602

>>16082548
lol, he copied the name of another butterfly copy.

>> No.16082603

>>16082339
I grew out of it in mid-20s by reading Mises, Hoppe, and Rothbard. Then I grew back into it in late-20s by reading Marx.

>> No.16082618

>>16082603
Clean your room.

>> No.16082632

>>16082618
Take your benzos.

>> No.16082638

>>16082603
So, when will you get a real job?

>> No.16082787

>>16082348
>Thinking of it intuitively grows you out of it
Fpbp
Communism is btfo by the competitive nature of life, because it is a materialistic and universalist ideology it can not refute that material nature.

>> No.16082791

>>16082339
When I discovered that, unlike Hitler, Stalin wasn't vegetarian.

>> No.16082954

>>16082421
Mainly because Western chauvinism leads us to consider anyone born east of ~Czechia to be less than human. The only incidents commonly described are the ones with implication for Western hegemony or just general security, such as the Cuban missile crisis, Chernobyl incident and of course moments of triumph for liberalism like the fall of the Berlin wall.

>> No.16082962

>>16082787
But the thing is, advanced and strong societies generally feature a higher degree of cooperation, the exceptions largely are able to sustain themselves solely by circumstances of geography.

>> No.16082967

>>16082638
I have been continuously employed this entire time. My social life got way better post-libertarian-phase tho

>> No.16082976

>>16082339
I've never had a communist, fascist or libertarian phase, thankfully

>> No.16082984

Never got into it because im not retarded

>> No.16082998

>>16082962
Cooperation is good, but not universalist cooperation and not the cooperation that pretends that everyone is equally capable or worthy of success

>> No.16083087

One must wonder why trannies, degenerates, and generally vile people gravitate towards communism

>> No.16083095

>>16083087
and anime. always with the anime.

>> No.16083099

>>16082603
Literally me

>> No.16083104

>>16082548
Finally, a socially acceptable form of megacide denial

>> No.16083511

>>16083095
People who watch anime always trend towards ancapism, fascism, leninist marxism or libertarian marxism. You will rarely find someone who likes anime and holds socially acceptable political opinions, they like to be "that guy", the weird one who watches chink animation and thinks the jews/bankers/statistists/reactionary conservatives should be gassed.

>> No.16083951

>>16082421
Are you retarded? It’s the only thing they teach about the Soviet Union

>> No.16083967

>>16083951
>Are you retarded?
I am not, but I starting to think that you might be for assuming that every school in the world teaches the same thing.

>> No.16083974

When I actually hung out with commies.
>>16082371
Read it. All 3.

>> No.16083982

>>16082339
The realisation that people are NOT fundamentally good, which means that in any cooperation-dependent collective, deviants and exploiters will arise. This necessitates the use of police force to enforce goodthink in a communist state, making communism a de facto totalitarian regime.

>> No.16083997

>>16082348
intuitive thinking tends to make people complacent and unsophisticated.

intuition tends to overwhelm concepts like nuance and critical thought. why think about stuff when your gut feeling tells you it's just bad. and that gut feeling comes from a book or a propaganda piece.

>> No.16084004

>>16083982
>Safe guarding the fruits of your labor
>Evil

I don't think you get it yet.

>> No.16084037

>>16084004
There's definitely other arguments that can be made, including yours of personal property being an inalienable human right. I just think mine is stronger because it does not rely on ethical considerations.

>> No.16084060

>>16084037
>I just think mine is stronger because it does not rely on ethical considerations.
>The realisation that people are NOT fundamentally good

So, which one is it?

>> No.16084076

>>16084037
Moral arguments are not totally invalid, so long as you can get people to agree with you.
The notion of reducing human suffering in any capacity relies on the subjective belief that human suffering is even a bad thing to begin with.

many people either don't know the terms they are talking about or even the basic definitions of certain political ideologies. or they just don't care about having a spirited intellectual debate in the first place, some people can only be convinced through emotion or moral appeals, while others can only be appealed through good debate technique and reasonable well articulated points.

one is not superior to the other in terms of effectiveness. if it works it works.

>> No.16084099

>>16082339
>basing your opinions on a novel
You know he pulled most of the shit in that book out of his hole right?

>> No.16084109

>>16084099
You are incorrect.

>> No.16084114

>>16084109
Yeah, other people made up stories that he then embellished further. Wild stuff.

>> No.16084117

>>16084099
isn't is always amusing how many self proclaimed free thinkers and intellectuals read one book and end up basing all their opinions on it, carrying it around like a religious zealot as if it were the word of god.

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>>16084117
>.

>> No.16084132

>>16084114
Your argument is as valid as his then. People lie. You can't prove who's lying. And yet I am accusing you of being a liar, liar.

>> No.16084135

>>16084076
It is pointless to argue with you when you believe that the truth is a useless concept and all is subjective.

>>16084060
Let me rephrase: I have realised that people hurt others for fun, exploit and cause suffering whenever they can get away with it. This has to do with the animalistic aspects of the human psyche, has nothing to do with ethics and can be only partially influenced by the environment. Troublemakers are unavoidable, bad apples tend to spoil the bunch, making the dream of the communist utopia impossible.

>> No.16084142

>>16082339
When I started reading Bookchin

>> No.16084146

>>16084132
Yeah people lie all the time. That's why I just read the Good Book.

>> No.16084151

>>16084135
>Let me rephrase: I have realised that people hurt others for fun, exploit and cause suffering whenever they can get away with it. This has to do with the animalistic aspects of the human psyche, has nothing to do with ethics and can be only partially influenced by the environment. Troublemakers are unavoidable, bad apples tend to spoil the bunch, making the dream of the communist utopia impossible.
Thank you for taking the time of your day to write this. My dopamine levels have increased for a brief moment.

>> No.16084169

>>16084135

I am: >>16084076

That is the only post i made, so you may be thinking of somebody else here.

I believe in the truth. But I view it as a tool, and sometimes it's not a useful tool. I'm a utilitarian thinker. I only value anything in so much as it is useful to accomplish my agenda.

>> No.16084651

>>16082339
Never

>> No.16084784

>>16082339
Ridiculous bait.

As an ignorant christian conservative, I was raised to loath and fear the Soviets as some sort of evil nation. I never fully understand anything about it. Only much later did I get the full story and definitions for all these -isms. This take some maturity. So after reading GA one doesn’t exactly grow out of communism, they grown out of Leninism, and other authoritarian-socialist experiments.
The fully mature individual grows up past even Chomsky. and finds James Herod